I was looking for NetBSD 2.0 for so long now, mainly because I though it will fix some issues with DMA and my DVD drive. Which it didn't. But that is not the showstopper for me. What is more serious, is that my Realtek-based (probably crappy) network chip doesn't work anymore. Which it did in 1.6. The only thing I always get are 'watchdog timeouts' whenever I try to activate the interface.
So NetBSD will still not become my everyday-work-OS.
Re:NetBSD 2.0 is the tenth major release
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Umm, no. They changed their version numbering scheme. So what we see here as 2.0 is what probably would have been 1.7. Basically they stripped the first number (because it would have been 1 forever) and go now with a 2 number scheme. the next major release will be 3.0. what was once minor releases x.y.z->x.y.(z+1) now will be x.y->x.(y+1).
Re:While this is great for open source advocates..
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I never had much luck explaining people what open source is and why it makes sense. The problem is that 99.9% don't care about source code. Heck, when I go back to 1998 when I bought my first box of Linux, I was happy to get a _cheap_ OS with a huge bulk of additional software. I didn't realize that it was in fact free (of charge) and I only pay for the box and CD set.
Later (around 2000) I downloaded my first copy of Debian and was very excited about it. I also knew then, that I could get the source code, but I did not care for it.
I started caring for the code when I started my first own projects. Now I think that the availibility of code is _really_ useful, because I can fix a program or library if it is broken (which is more often the case then one would think).
But for most people it is simply not important that a program is open source or free or whatnot, they want it to work, and they want it to be cheap or better free of charge. Try to explain them why code availibility is good, or the difference between free of charge and Free and Open Source and you will most likely not listen to you for long.
yeah, that describes the whole problem. people are lazy. they are _incredibly_ lazy. homer simpson attitude everywhere;-)
(nearly) no one will ever do something about it (including me). it' similar to computers/OSes: the acceptence treshhold for crap is much to high. Very few _really_ care enough.
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> so Windows users will start developing multi-platform apps
Since when do users (especially Windows-users) develop something? But I get your point. But remember, there's Wine, Mono & Java as well as lots of X-plattform-enabled development libraries like GTK, lots of stuff in Cygwin etc etc. X-plattform development is possible and IMO fairly easy these days.
-- http://www.ontographics.com/
You mean that the NYT will be real-world-slashdotted by the number of Firefox fans that only buy the NYT because of the ad?
-- http://www.ontographics.com/
I think people must come to open source software in general, before they start migrating to Linux. Still, the reputation of FOSS in the general public is not so good, Firefox could change this (although I have heard lots of complaints about it too, like the unability to automatically sort bookmarks out-of-the-box).
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1st: Why has CVS to be part of a unix base system at all? I mean it is useful and all, but completely unnessecary in a base system. The only common use I can see is syncing with the ports tree, but then again: it is fairly easy to go with binary ports (and honestly: I would do so in production environments)
2nd: Does OpenBSD have too much human resources, so that they start such projects? I see that FreeBSD and NetBSD struggle hard with manpower and cannot imagine that OpenBSD has so much more in this respect. I can only assume that OpenBSD developers are far more motivated.
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I was looking for NetBSD 2.0 for so long now, mainly because I though it will fix some issues with DMA and my DVD drive. Which it didn't. But that is not the showstopper for me. What is more serious, is that my Realtek-based (probably crappy) network chip doesn't work anymore. Which it did in 1.6. The only thing I always get are 'watchdog timeouts' whenever I try to activate the interface.
So NetBSD will still not become my everyday-work-OS.
Umm, no. They changed their version numbering scheme. So what we see here as 2.0 is what probably would have been 1.7. Basically they stripped the first number (because it would have been 1 forever) and go now with a 2 number scheme. the next major release will be 3.0. what was once minor releases x.y.z->x.y.(z+1) now will be x.y->x.(y+1).
I never had much luck explaining people what open source is and why it makes sense. The problem is that 99.9% don't care about source code. Heck, when I go back to 1998 when I bought my first box of Linux, I was happy to get a _cheap_ OS with a huge bulk of additional software. I didn't realize that it was in fact free (of charge) and I only pay for the box and CD set. Later (around 2000) I downloaded my first copy of Debian and was very excited about it. I also knew then, that I could get the source code, but I did not care for it. I started caring for the code when I started my first own projects. Now I think that the availibility of code is _really_ useful, because I can fix a program or library if it is broken (which is more often the case then one would think).
But for most people it is simply not important that a program is open source or free or whatnot, they want it to work, and they want it to be cheap or better free of charge. Try to explain them why code availibility is good, or the difference between free of charge and Free and Open Source and you will most likely not listen to you for long.
yeah, that describes the whole problem. people are lazy. they are _incredibly_ lazy. homer simpson attitude everywhere ;-)
(nearly) no one will ever do something about it (including me). it' similar to computers/OSes: the acceptence treshhold for crap is much to high. Very few _really_ care enough.
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Roman
sorry, no I didn't know it. Thank you for this hint. I just created the account and didn't bother yet to dig through all the options.
> so Windows users will start developing multi-platform apps Since when do users (especially Windows-users) develop something? But I get your point. But remember, there's Wine, Mono & Java as well as lots of X-plattform-enabled development libraries like GTK, lots of stuff in Cygwin etc etc. X-plattform development is possible and IMO fairly easy these days.
--
http://www.ontographics.com/
You mean that the NYT will be real-world-slashdotted by the number of Firefox fans that only buy the NYT because of the ad?
--
http://www.ontographics.com/
Service Not Available? Is slashdot.org itself slashdotted?
I think people must come to open source software in general, before they start migrating to Linux. Still, the reputation of FOSS in the general public is not so good, Firefox could change this (although I have heard lots of complaints about it too, like the unability to automatically sort bookmarks out-of-the-box).
--
Roman
www.ontographics.com
2nd: Does OpenBSD have too much human resources, so that they start such projects? I see that FreeBSD and NetBSD struggle hard with manpower and cannot imagine that OpenBSD has so much more in this respect. I can only assume that OpenBSD developers are far more motivated.
--
Roman
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