Not really, I don't even own a laptop let alone a mac.
Nor are they obligated to. Odds are that the presentation had the desired effect and there was no need to proceed further.
So you acknowledge that it was a stunt and a lie. Good.
Gruber challenged them to hack a macbook (not two) with many stipulations. The challenge was to be videotaped and the conditioned were not under the control of the hackers.
Uh yeah? His conditions seemed pretty standard stuff it you look at it from a scientific standpoint.
Plus in a later post he offered a second macbook, because there were 2 people on the stage when the stunt was done.
If the challenge was not met, the hackers would have to pay for the machine.
Looks like a good way not to waste his time and money (remember that Gruber would've had to buy the macbook right before the try in the first place)
they may not have wanted to contributed to his pro-Apple site
How would they have "contributed", had they shut up his mouth by performing what they claimed they could?
A macbook may be exciting to you and John Gruber but probably not to them.
A standard macbooks can be refurbished for just under $1k, whatever the excitement they could get out of a macbook, $1k for about 5mn of work (if their claim were true) is not something many people can pass on like that.
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Dude, as I said I don't own a mac, and I never have owned one...
IMO the test configuration was chosen because it was the easiest one to demonstrate the flaw.
Yeah, let's demonstrate a flaw against an obscure configuration involving third-party stuff, because god forbid we did it against the main, default, standard configuration of the machine even though we claimed we could.
Yeah. In third party drivers for a third-party wireless adapter. He still hasn't disclosed any information on a bug in apple-supplied wireless drivers for apple-supported wireless devices, even though he was offered stuff for actually proving what he'd said (John Gruber, for example, offered to give him two brand-new fresh-out-of-the-box macbooks if he managed to hack them)
I fully disagree, if I spend 60% to 70% of my waking hours at my job, I do want to like it (the job itself, the environment, the management,...), because I sure as hell don't want to hate what i spend more than 9h/day doing.
This is more important than money.
Money is just a convenience, liking what you do is a sanity requirement.
You forgot the "Job Interest" factor, which is about 0 for the.Net job, and about very high for the Perl one.
I, for one, would probably pick the Perl job. I'd much better work in a cool environment and have an interesting job being actually part of something than having a shitty job in a crappy environment, even if it pays more.
Funny, I don't recall reading about Germany ever attacking the US. Japan did, but Germany did not. Same goes for every war after 1812 I believe. Should we restore the Nazi's to power?
You should've stopped sleeping during history classes if you don't remember being taught about german subs attacking and sinking civilian and trade american boats during WW2.
This probably wasn't the main reason for the USA to get into the war (losing it's trade partner may have been much more of an issue), but the USA were attacked nonetheless.
She will be sad not to be able to, because he resigned already.
the witch hunts and blame game [will begin]
Oh yeah, because there's been no 'witch hunt' and 'blame game' in the past 5 years, no randomly labelling people "unamerican" or "unpatriotic" when they disagreed with the administration no sir, when Georges Bush and his neocons do it it's normal, and fair game, and it's patriotic. Only when someone else does it does it become "blame game" and "witch's hunt".
Dude, how about some consistency? How about trying to work for america instead of working for the Republican Party? Here's a hint: Georges W Bush is not "America" nor is he "The USA".
We've done more in Iraq in 3 years than we did in 15 years in Japan or Germany.
Indeed, the USA had never managed to undermine the fundamental roots of a whole country and to utterly destroy it before, making it sink in sectarian violences and utter terrorism.
Just because all you hear on the news everyday is a body count of American soldiers lost does not mean there is nothing else going on over there
Right, there's also the Iraqui body count.
If Iraq is a disastrous failure, what was D-Day?
Something completely different and with no relation whatsoever with Iraq. D-Day was a landing against one of the strongest armies in the world, part of a war in which the USA had bee agressed and attacked, while Iraq is the utter failure of the occupation of a country the US have agressed and invaded.
That simple stupidity just made everyone who knows anything about Ruby and Python dismiss your post as utter nutjobbery.
Java is indeed faster than Python by a large margin (unless the runtimes are short, in which case the sheer monstruosity of the JVM's startup time kills Java's perfs).
TCL compares very favourably to Python, even though it's mostly slightly slower, unless you're using Regexp (the Tcl regex engine is just wicked fast).
But Ruby on the other hand, is one of the slowest languages available today. The current baseline implementation is a piece of crap, it's wasteful, it doesn't have any optimization, it's more or less the slowest and worst way to implement an interpreted language. Even though Ruby is a quite nice language, speed is definitely not it's forte.
The only way for Python to be slower than Ruby would be to code Ruby in Ruby while you're coding Java in Python (using Java idioms and techniques while producing Python code, which is a bad idea).
Java is great for large teams of programmers working together across the globe but as good as Python for smaller groups in the same place.
This is awfully debatable. The explicit static typing and ease of static analysis makes error-checking much easier in Java, which makes for much easier QA if you don't like testing. Java also have very good IDEs, which it doesn't deserve. But the verboseness of Java and it's lack of many (syntactic or other) niceness such as first-class-object functions, tuple-unpacking, litteral syntax for common containers (lists, hashes,...),... make it much slower to use as a developer. It also requires the users (of the language) to think at a much lower level, akin to C versus Java. If "smaller groups" have a good knowledge of the language, Java just can't beat Python.
Python's web frameworks are amazingly fast and very powerful.
They're not that fast (even though most of them are fairly fast). And Python has the "more frameworks than built-in types" issue making it a pain to pick a framework.
Java is almost text book perfect when it comes to programming.
Are you joking? Java's a textbook piece of shit when it comes to programming. Python is not *that* much better by the way. If you want "textbook perfect", go check functional languages. Or Smalltalk if you're into OO.
Unlike most other languages kids can come out of university and not have to change hardly anything to get started in the real world of Java.
The fact that most unis and schools now teach "computer science" in Java may have something to do with that one...
Python's "import from future" is a good approach here, IMO. Language features can get kicked around, have the bugs shaken out of them, without becoming part of The Official Language. If they pass the test, they make it in. In the mean-time, it's pretty clear you shouldn't be relying on them.
Actually, "from __future__" is more about letting users get a feel of the soon-to-come core changes of the language (also called "incompatible language changes" in __future__'s DOCSTRING). And about rooting bugs out indeed (which is why __future__ features have a RELEASE_LEVEL attribute associated to them).
__future__ features may change, but it's pretty sure that they'll make it to the core language sooner or later, because by the time they've reached __future__ they:
Have gone through the main Python mailing-list unless the proposal was done by a core Python dev, and even then...
Has gone through hundreds of posts on python-dev, debating it's usefulness, it's impact on the language, it's exact semantics,...
Has probably gone through either a proof of concept or a direct patch by the submitter, because that gives him a much better chance that people will be interested in his idea
Has gone through a PEP, whether the idea was accepted or refused, if the idea was any good (a refused idea can be very good or interesting and yet be refused) a PEP will be asked.
Has gone through the acceptance or refusal of the BDFL.
If you never have, do subscribe to python-dev, you'll realize that most issues and ideas get beaten to death and then some more, the few ideas that make it through python-dev are pretty much guaranteed to see the end of the tunnel.
Ok, so...there have been past dramatic climate changes on the earth that have happend and were certainly not caused by humans.
Indeed. Mainly during massive eruptive periods, as in eruptions from the likes of Yellowstone, or the formation of the Deccan Trapps.
Last time I checked, new trapps weren't in formation and there was no VEI-8 event in the past centuries (meaning thatneither Yellowstone nor Toba nor Taupo nor La Garita had started erupting)
Can't wait for the Christians' reply to this one...
Oh we'll just get the usual response:
It's not in the bible so it can't be true... neener, neener, I can't hear you.
Evidence are only for scientists and people with half a brain, fundies never needed that kind of shit, see "War on Terror", "Invasion of Iraq", "WMDs in Iraq" and "Saddam and Al Quaeda" for more informations on the process of not needing evidences.
Did you know anything about cetaceans, you'd be aware that cetacean "fins" are evolved (or vestigial) arms (and legs for that one).
Now of course if you want legs that actually look like legs, you'll have to make a 38 million years jump back in time, because Basilausorus was one of the last cetaceans with actually (even if pretty useless) legs.
I would advise against trying to shake its front flippers though.
I think utube could probably do better by asking youtube to pay their bandwidthbill for a logo with link on utube.com, and perhaps a small additional sum for the trouble.
Are you retarded? How professionnal would a corporate website look with a Youtube add on it?
Great way to make investors and potential buyers confident...
Yeah, having to pay because hordes of retarded teenagers are DDOSing your website through which you're trying to sell industrial tubing machine sure is a blessing...
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What I'd like to know is this: how does a different website prevent your customers from getting to yours?
Because it amounts to a DDOS attack: the UTube website gets a massive amount of misdirecte traffic from YouTube, which it isn't able to handle. UTube's website crawls to a halt, their servers burn in flames,...
They change the server, get a new bigger pipe to the intarwebs, and it also gets hammered and destroyed.
Repeat twice more, and you may understand why they're starting to get pissed: they have to invest money to create a traffic which they don't need and which won't ever bring them any money in the first place...
This is akin to the Slashdot effect, or a Farking, but with more long-term detrimental effects (it's a permanenet slashdot effect, in a way).
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Not really, I don't even own a laptop let alone a mac.
So you acknowledge that it was a stunt and a lie. Good.
Uh yeah? His conditions seemed pretty standard stuff it you look at it from a scientific standpoint.
Plus in a later post he offered a second macbook, because there were 2 people on the stage when the stunt was done.
Looks like a good way not to waste his time and money (remember that Gruber would've had to buy the macbook right before the try in the first place)
How would they have "contributed", had they shut up his mouth by performing what they claimed they could?
A standard macbooks can be refurbished for just under $1k, whatever the excitement they could get out of a macbook, $1k for about 5mn of work (if their claim were true) is not something many people can pass on like that.
Dude, as I said I don't own a mac, and I never have owned one...
Yeah, let's demonstrate a flaw against an obscure configuration involving third-party stuff, because god forbid we did it against the main, default, standard configuration of the machine even though we claimed we could.
Yeah. In third party drivers for a third-party wireless adapter. He still hasn't disclosed any information on a bug in apple-supplied wireless drivers for apple-supported wireless devices, even though he was offered stuff for actually proving what he'd said (John Gruber, for example, offered to give him two brand-new fresh-out-of-the-box macbooks if he managed to hack them)
I fully disagree, if I spend 60% to 70% of my waking hours at my job, I do want to like it (the job itself, the environment, the management, ...), because I sure as hell don't want to hate what i spend more than 9h/day doing.
This is more important than money.
Money is just a convenience, liking what you do is a sanity requirement.
You forgot the "Job Interest" factor, which is about 0 for the .Net job, and about very high for the Perl one.
I, for one, would probably pick the Perl job. I'd much better work in a cool environment and have an interesting job being actually part of something than having a shitty job in a crappy environment, even if it pays more.
You should've stopped sleeping during history classes if you don't remember being taught about german subs attacking and sinking civilian and trade american boats during WW2.
This probably wasn't the main reason for the USA to get into the war (losing it's trade partner may have been much more of an issue), but the USA were attacked nonetheless.
She will be sad not to be able to, because he resigned already.
Oh yeah, because there's been no 'witch hunt' and 'blame game' in the past 5 years, no randomly labelling people "unamerican" or "unpatriotic" when they disagreed with the administration no sir, when Georges Bush and his neocons do it it's normal, and fair game, and it's patriotic. Only when someone else does it does it become "blame game" and "witch's hunt".
Dude, how about some consistency? How about trying to work for america instead of working for the Republican Party? Here's a hint: Georges W Bush is not "America" nor is he "The USA".
Indeed, the USA had never managed to undermine the fundamental roots of a whole country and to utterly destroy it before, making it sink in sectarian violences and utter terrorism.
Right, there's also the Iraqui body count.
Something completely different and with no relation whatsoever with Iraq. D-Day was a landing against one of the strongest armies in the world, part of a war in which the USA had bee agressed and attacked, while Iraq is the utter failure of the occupation of a country the US have agressed and invaded.
That simple stupidity just made everyone who knows anything about Ruby and Python dismiss your post as utter nutjobbery.
Java is indeed faster than Python by a large margin (unless the runtimes are short, in which case the sheer monstruosity of the JVM's startup time kills Java's perfs).
TCL compares very favourably to Python, even though it's mostly slightly slower, unless you're using Regexp (the Tcl regex engine is just wicked fast).
But Ruby on the other hand, is one of the slowest languages available today. The current baseline implementation is a piece of crap, it's wasteful, it doesn't have any optimization, it's more or less the slowest and worst way to implement an interpreted language. Even though Ruby is a quite nice language, speed is definitely not it's forte.
The only way for Python to be slower than Ruby would be to code Ruby in Ruby while you're coding Java in Python (using Java idioms and techniques while producing Python code, which is a bad idea).
This is awfully debatable. The explicit static typing and ease of static analysis makes error-checking much easier in Java, which makes for much easier QA if you don't like testing. Java also have very good IDEs, which it doesn't deserve. But the verboseness of Java and it's lack of many (syntactic or other) niceness such as first-class-object functions, tuple-unpacking, litteral syntax for common containers (lists, hashes, ...), ... make it much slower to use as a developer. It also requires the users (of the language) to think at a much lower level, akin to C versus Java. If "smaller groups" have a good knowledge of the language, Java just can't beat Python.
They're not that fast (even though most of them are fairly fast). And Python has the "more frameworks than built-in types" issue making it a pain to pick a framework.
Are you joking? Java's a textbook piece of shit when it comes to programming. Python is not *that* much better by the way. If you want "textbook perfect", go check functional languages. Or Smalltalk if you're into OO.
The fact that most unis and schools now teach "computer science" in Java may have something to do with that one...
Actually, "from __future__" is more about letting users get a feel of the soon-to-come core changes of the language (also called "incompatible language changes" in __future__'s DOCSTRING). And about rooting bugs out indeed (which is why __future__ features have a RELEASE_LEVEL attribute associated to them).
__future__ features may change, but it's pretty sure that they'll make it to the core language sooner or later, because by the time they've reached __future__ they:
If you never have, do subscribe to python-dev, you'll realize that most issues and ideas get beaten to death and then some more, the few ideas that make it through python-dev are pretty much guaranteed to see the end of the tunnel.
Indeed. Mainly during massive eruptive periods, as in eruptions from the likes of Yellowstone, or the formation of the Deccan Trapps.
Last time I checked, new trapps weren't in formation and there was no VEI-8 event in the past centuries (meaning thatneither Yellowstone nor Toba nor Taupo nor La Garita had started erupting)
The death of their main food sources may have a role in it.
And without the west's colonialism and imperialism most of the developing nation would be developing finely at their own pace.
May I ask what the hell's intelligent on that website?
Since the guy who made this presentation is the same as the one who wrote all that crap in the website above, i'm going to pass thank you very much.
Oh we'll just get the usual response:
Evidence are only for scientists and people with half a brain, fundies never needed that kind of shit, see "War on Terror", "Invasion of Iraq", "WMDs in Iraq" and "Saddam and Al Quaeda" for more informations on the process of not needing evidences.
Did you know anything about cetaceans, you'd be aware that cetacean "fins" are evolved (or vestigial) arms (and legs for that one).
Now of course if you want legs that actually look like legs, you'll have to make a 38 million years jump back in time, because Basilausorus was one of the last cetaceans with actually (even if pretty useless) legs.
I would advise against trying to shake its front flippers though.
On an industrial corporate website? Dear slashdot, I would so wish that you had a clue.
Publicity? For a seller of used industrial tubing machines? Dear god how stupid can you guys get?
Are you retarded? How professionnal would a corporate website look with a Youtube add on it?
Great way to make investors and potential buyers confident...
Yeah, having to pay because hordes of retarded teenagers are DDOSing your website through which you're trying to sell industrial tubing machine sure is a blessing...
Because the existence of universaltube.com and universaltubes.com don't DDOS utube.com on a daily basis?
You, sir, are officially an idiot
Because it amounts to a DDOS attack: the UTube website gets a massive amount of misdirecte traffic from YouTube, which it isn't able to handle. UTube's website crawls to a halt, their servers burn in flames, ...
They change the server, get a new bigger pipe to the intarwebs, and it also gets hammered and destroyed.
Repeat twice more, and you may understand why they're starting to get pissed: they have to invest money to create a traffic which they don't need and which won't ever bring them any money in the first place...
This is akin to the Slashdot effect, or a Farking, but with more long-term detrimental effects (it's a permanenet slashdot effect, in a way).
Why rootkits and virii for my computer of course!
Doesn't matter at all since the rendering (HTML/CSS) engine is exactly the same as Firefox 1.5'.