to stiffle competition from the ground up. There's been misuse issues as long as there have been patents, IIRC back from the 15th century in the republic of venice. I still have to see a defense of patents that hold water. There is not one which is not founded on IP of the public, in other words patents are the very essence of IP theft. Just drop the whole BS. And don't tell me ppl will stop inventing, it's part of human nature. Bah, braindead commercialism.
that the US has a giant legitimacy gap. That's the reason why mainstream won't pick up this story or anyother of the dozens flying around and take them as parts of ONE picture, but isolated incidents. Partisan here, partisan there - but both parties form the very system which legitimacy is shaken and all the mainstream media are major profiteers of it, too. This is completely independent from concrete implemetations of the voting process, be it machines of whatever kind or pen and paper; hanging chads in 2000, evoting in 2004 - nothing but symptoms to the same illness. As a result the US is building an international reputations for being the largest banana republic alive. Now think of Iraq's upcoming elections in january, do you really think an election under US occupation is going to generate any trust in its results? (rhetorical) Instead of exporting democracy the US is just about to export it's systemic problems. And maybe, if what I suspect to be bush's calculation works out, that is exactly what it takes to delay the real question for another term.
Just to fit things into a larger scale...
Slightly OT: Quote from a ukrainian friend: We got widespread election fraud too, but as least we agree on that.
Germany is about to start a similar system for trucks soon, called toll collect that already got the local big brother award back in 2002. Once such a system is in action for trucks, no doubt it'll be only a matter of time untill police will push to have it implemented in cars too. Pretty orwellian.
makes sense if you're talking about urban areas. Don't get me wrong I kinda like the idea, but it needs some thought on how to make it work in the rural parts too. Free mass transit makes little sense where there are no masses.
Here are a few samples. Any answer of no labels you as an republican.
1. Partial Birth abortion is not infanticide. 2. America is a greater threat to world freedom than Communist China. 3. George W. Bush is a greater threat to liberty than Fidel Castro. 4. Iraq was better off under Saddam Hussein. 5. Osama bin Laden is happy that Bush won re-election.
Said it before, Ill say it again. As a bushite you should be thankfull to bbv.org, assuming youre convinced no fraud happened. Theyre building up bush's (and the whole system's btw) legitimacy in a way youre side could never hope for on its own means. Of course if youre in doubt... well, all bad to you that case, for starting the cover up right now.
Its true, europeans despise Bush - but maybe more than one european government will (secretly) be more than relieved. Bush's second term will be more beneficial to esspecially France and Germany than many would think. Struggling for support at home due to domestic problems they'd have faced a severe dilemma with a kerry administration. With Kerry returning to multilateral commitment their involvement in Iraq would have been more or less inevitable, while sverely hurting their chances of reelections at home and interfering with european plans of building a cooperational sphere around the mediterenean (btw maybe more of a reason to Libiya's recent chance of policies than fear of US intervention) and the ongoing expansion of the EU (turkey!). Considering further the ever increasing anti-bushism of broad fractions of european societies, the anti-bush ticket may see somemore use before the next US-elections, providing a promising ticket to run on in european elections during the next four years. Many think-tanks already regard the US as the primary source of instability in their direct neighborhood and question a continued commitment to NATO, favoring closer relations to Russia instead. The former Soviet Union has lost its terrifying image in the eyes of many europeans and they might be tempted to regard both (ex-)superpowers as equally democratically impaired; while european interests lost their link with american interests and are increasingly in match with Russia, esspecially regarding a commitment to stability in their respective neighbourhoods and a shared exploitation of siberias vast resources. In 2008, a (hopefully democratic) new administration might pretty well find tradional alliances shattered beyond repair, instead facing a eurasian coalition with potential economic autarchy. Aint gonna happen? Well, three years ago the US had unparalleled support worldwide... its a slippery slope.
I admire your optimism. But I doubt any political education can ever get through the fog of misused patriotism clouding american minds, before some major slide down on the international scale. It's like telling the muslims the sharia needs some adjustments...
Hop over to europe, avoid catholic countries. Easy as that. Cant get more secular than France really, but the germans are catching up, denmark and the rest of scandinavia, netherlands, belgium, the czech and the baltic states - all safe bets. Besides the french, most of them will speak english as a second language. Welcome aboard and my apologies to anyone I missed in above list. No god, no master; as Voltaire put it.;)
Youre right, just a little behind. There are not so many allies left to alienate (and yes, I forgot Poland) and the world watches its sole remaining super power`s failure live on TV every day. Add the threats the bushites emit on a daily basis to the danger the US deficit represents to world economy (and the unability of the US to sustain itself as the underlying econosocial reason): the US is a main source of instability now, instead of its guarantor. A change that took less than four years, creating enough reasons for about every nation on earth too rethink its position towards the US - its way more than mere antipathy. I wouldnt be surprised to see NATO (which is already irrelevant as a military alliance, as it is designed as a defensive alliance) fall apart soon. Of course that would mean nothing less than closer european-russian bounds... Bush may succeed, where Hitler and Stalin failed: in creating an eurasian powersphere from atlantic to pacific. They are a perfect match, from whatever side you look at it and all it may take is a perceived common threat. I dont think the average american has any idea how big a failure Bushs foreign policy is: nations tend to act based on their interests (an arguement usually brought on in excuse of Bush, so Ill hold the Bushites to that) - the art of diplomacy is to modify inconsistent interests of other nations, so they blend with your own. Instead he actively created interests that are contradictory to his goals. Given the stubborness demonstrated, hell continue on this path. Project for a new american century, well, there it goes down the sink. Should have listened to europeans like this french guy. Its the same guy who correctly predicted the fall of the Soviet Union a decade before it happened.
Well, better take youre personal wealth somewhere it may be of some use to you and others. In case of surrendering citizenship you become stateless. Its a slippery slope, so watch out. But anyway, I think youre considering the right thing and there are some decent countries to go, so: Best of luck, and welcome back to civilisation.
I remember looking at the TV images on the night of September 11, and saying "I hope this doesn't mean the end of democracy in America". (What's left of it, that is). Now, I feel prescient. This election is the last nail in the coffin of democracy. Funny that you mention it, as that was precisely what I thought. Well, I guess those who did the same are legion. I am convinced that this election has been stolen. I do not accept Bush as a legitimate president. I never will. And those who support the use of these untraceable machines are supporting the antithesis of democracy. And now, knowing that, what are you going to do? Bush has proven more than once he gives a fuck about legitimacy, let alone what anyone thinks about his. What are you doing to do?
I for one, think the world has now the opportunity to pay back the favors the US did them by letting all those immigrants into the country esspecially during WWII, when the intelectual elite of europe found shelter... and know what? Besides the French, most about anyone speaks english as a second language in europe and they like americans, just dont mention Bush.
I wonder if the parent has a clue. This is not about some attempt to rig the elections by legal means. This is about whether elections will still make any sense in the future. If its possible to rig the system you could just save the money and run a random generator instead, chances are higher THAT outcome will match the will of the voter. So get out of you're partisan thinking, this is about the legitimacy of the whole process and thats got nothing to do with the outcome. By continuing to devaluate a legit audit to partisan maneuvers youre not doing any side a favour, just add more damage. Not that Id mind that... if corporate america fails to generate legitimacy once and for all at home as it already does abroad, thats a highly prefered outcome on this side of the keyboard. But it should be in your own best interest to prevent exactly that and hence you should thank bbv.org for blowing the slightest shadow of a doubt away. In case you think the prez is up for a third and fourth term, since he never got elected before... Well, sure thats another thing. To start the cover up operation right now makes perfect sense then. So, anonymous bushie, what about that?
If youre refering to this article in the NYY post, then FYI.
That Yigal Carmon whos quoted in the article is kinda mossad guy and a known advocat of torture and the occupation of palestine. Maybe one of the most rightwing ones you can find. Notorious is his analysis of the madrid bombing (heres an interview on the topic hosted on the site of his MEMRI institute) in an attempt to side Aznar`s lies. Why the House chose him to report on arab media is up to your own guesses. German researcher Henner Kirchner hosts an article on his background, sorry its german.
Note: if a headline calls a human (whomever) a monster make sure to check the background of 'experts' quoted.
Id highly doubt that, its still an preemptive war and they got a law against any participation in offensive warfare. Schröder would face 10yrs to life according to that law. Not to mention he'd spoil his last chance of reelections, as he actually got into office again by promising to keep them out of the war. As funny as it is, dubya was right once : they're notorious pacifists nowadays.
Well, Japan maybe democratic formally, just how comes they have never changed the ruling partyin the last 40 or so years? And to call them westeners is really hilarious. To me it seems more that they had to adopt somehow after WWII and that of course has deeply changed their society, nevertheless if you take a look at their traditional values I dont think they're an example to rebute my thesis really. Btw I didnt say a word about Iraqs populaion density, I just found it odd that Iraqis shared that opinion. By connecting Islam and fascism you show exactly the sort of ignorance that led to disaster. How about America changed their life from purgatorium to hell? Waisting breath here. Anyway, last one: they demostrated, they exercised their freedom of speech, now you dont like it. Oh... its FREEDOM(TM). IC
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to stiffle competition from the ground up. There's been misuse issues as long as there have been patents, IIRC back from the 15th century in the republic of venice. I still have to see a defense of patents that hold water. There is not one which is not founded on IP of the public, in other words patents are the very essence of IP theft. Just drop the whole BS. And don't tell me ppl will stop inventing, it's part of human nature. Bah, braindead commercialism.
Nah , he won't get the benefit of the doubt, that applies to the side claims being made against. The burden of proof is with the employer.
that the US has a giant legitimacy gap. That's the reason why mainstream won't pick up this story or anyother of the dozens flying around and take them as parts of ONE picture, but isolated incidents. Partisan here, partisan there - but both parties form the very system which legitimacy is shaken and all the mainstream media are major profiteers of it, too. This is completely independent from concrete implemetations of the voting process, be it machines of whatever kind or pen and paper; hanging chads in 2000, evoting in 2004 - nothing but symptoms to the same illness.
As a result the US is building an international reputations for being the largest banana republic alive. Now think of Iraq's upcoming elections in january, do you really think an election under US occupation is going to generate any trust in its results? (rhetorical)
Instead of exporting democracy the US is just about to export it's systemic problems. And maybe, if what I suspect to be bush's calculation works out, that is exactly what it takes to delay the real question for another term.
Just to fit things into a larger scale...
Slightly OT: Quote from a ukrainian friend: We got widespread election fraud too, but as least we agree on that.
You can spell Bonobo, can you?
Germany is about to start a similar system for trucks soon, called toll collect that already got the local big brother award back in 2002. Once such a system is in action for trucks, no doubt it'll be only a matter of time untill police will push to have it implemented in cars too. Pretty orwellian.
makes sense if you're talking about urban areas. Don't get me wrong I kinda like the idea, but it needs some thought on how to make it work in the rural parts too. Free mass transit makes little sense where there are no masses.
... and in case that isn't what you want take alook at a real alternatives: http://www.wsws.org/
Here are a few samples. Any answer of no labels you as an republican.
1. Partial Birth abortion is not infanticide.
2. America is a greater threat to world freedom than Communist China.
3. George W. Bush is a greater threat to liberty than Fidel Castro.
4. Iraq was better off under Saddam Hussein.
5. Osama bin Laden is happy that Bush won re-election.
Said it before, Ill say it again. As a bushite you should be thankfull to bbv.org, assuming youre convinced no fraud happened. Theyre building up bush's (and the whole system's btw) legitimacy in a way youre side could never hope for on its own means. Of course if youre in doubt ... well, all bad to you that case, for starting the cover up right now.
Its true, europeans despise Bush - but maybe more than one european government will (secretly) be more than relieved. Bush's second term will be more beneficial to esspecially France and Germany than many would think. Struggling for support at home due to domestic problems they'd have faced a severe dilemma with a kerry administration. With Kerry returning to multilateral commitment their involvement in Iraq would have been more or less inevitable, while sverely hurting their chances of reelections at home and interfering with european plans of building a cooperational sphere around the mediterenean (btw maybe more of a reason to Libiya's recent chance of policies than fear of US intervention) and the ongoing expansion of the EU (turkey!). Considering further the ever increasing anti-bushism of broad fractions of european societies, the anti-bush ticket may see somemore use before the next US-elections, providing a promising ticket to run on in european elections during the next four years. Many think-tanks already regard the US as the primary source of instability in their direct neighborhood and question a continued commitment to NATO, favoring closer relations to Russia instead. The former Soviet Union has lost its terrifying image in the eyes of many europeans and they might be tempted to regard both (ex-)superpowers as equally democratically impaired; while european interests lost their link with american interests and are increasingly in match with Russia, esspecially regarding a commitment to stability in their respective neighbourhoods and a shared exploitation of siberias vast resources. In 2008, a (hopefully democratic) new administration might pretty well find tradional alliances shattered beyond repair, instead facing a eurasian coalition with potential economic autarchy. Aint gonna happen? Well, three years ago the US had unparalleled support worldwide... its a slippery slope.
... no need to bring them new ideas.
I admire your optimism. But I doubt any political education can ever get through the fog of misused patriotism clouding american minds, before some major slide down on the international scale. It's like telling the muslims the sharia needs some adjustments...
Boy... the first time in my life I think about buying a gun, just in case you happen to live somewhere near me. And believe me, it`s not fear...
Hop over to europe, avoid catholic countries. Easy as that. Cant get more secular than France really, but the germans are catching up, denmark and the rest of scandinavia, netherlands, belgium, the czech and the baltic states - all safe bets. Besides the french, most of them will speak english as a second language. Welcome aboard and my apologies to anyone I missed in above list. No god, no master; as Voltaire put it. ;)
Youre right, just a little behind. There are not so many allies left to alienate (and yes, I forgot Poland) and the world watches its sole remaining super power`s failure live on TV every day. Add the threats the bushites emit on a daily basis to the danger the US deficit represents to world economy (and the unability of the US to sustain itself as the underlying econosocial reason): the US is a main source of instability now, instead of its guarantor. A change that took less than four years, creating enough reasons for about every nation on earth too rethink its position towards the US - its way more than mere antipathy. I wouldnt be surprised to see NATO (which is already irrelevant as a military alliance, as it is designed as a defensive alliance) fall apart soon. Of course that would mean nothing less than closer european-russian bounds... Bush may succeed, where Hitler and Stalin failed: in creating an eurasian powersphere from atlantic to pacific. They are a perfect match, from whatever side you look at it and all it may take is a perceived common threat. I dont think the average american has any idea how big a failure Bushs foreign policy is: nations tend to act based on their interests (an arguement usually brought on in excuse of Bush, so Ill hold the Bushites to that) - the art of diplomacy is to modify inconsistent interests of other nations, so they blend with your own. Instead he actively created interests that are contradictory to his goals. Given the stubborness demonstrated, hell continue on this path. Project for a new american century, well, there it goes down the sink.
Should have listened to europeans like this french guy. Its the same guy who correctly predicted the fall of the Soviet Union a decade before it happened.
Well, better take youre personal wealth somewhere it may be of some use to you and others. In case of surrendering citizenship you become stateless. :
Its a slippery slope, so watch out. But anyway, I think youre considering the right thing and there are some decent countries to go, so
Best of luck, and welcome back to civilisation.
I remember looking at the TV images on the night of September 11, and saying "I hope this doesn't mean the end of democracy in America". (What's left of it, that is). Now, I feel prescient. This election is the last nail in the coffin of democracy. Funny that you mention it, as that was precisely what I thought. Well, I guess those who did the same are legion.
I am convinced that this election has been stolen. I do not accept Bush as a legitimate president. I never will. And those who support the use of these untraceable machines are supporting the antithesis of democracy. And now, knowing that, what are you going to do? Bush has proven more than once he gives a fuck about legitimacy, let alone what anyone thinks about his. What are you doing to do?
I for one, think the world has now the opportunity to pay back the favors the US did them by letting all those immigrants into the country esspecially during WWII, when the intelectual elite of europe found shelter... and know what? Besides the French, most about anyone speaks english as a second language in europe and they like americans, just dont mention Bush.
I wonder if the parent has a clue. This is not about some attempt to rig the elections by legal means. This is about whether elections will still make any sense in the future. If its possible to rig the system you could just save the money and run a random generator instead, chances are higher THAT outcome will match the will of the voter. So get out of you're partisan thinking, this is about the legitimacy of the whole process and thats got nothing to do with the outcome. By continuing to devaluate a legit audit to partisan maneuvers youre not doing any side a favour, just add more damage. Not that Id mind that... if corporate america fails to generate legitimacy once and for all at home as it already does abroad, thats a highly prefered outcome on this side of the keyboard. But it should be in your own best interest to prevent exactly that and hence you should thank bbv.org for blowing the slightest shadow of a doubt away. In case you think the prez is up for a third and fourth term, since he never got elected before... Well, sure thats another thing. To start the cover up operation right now makes perfect sense then. So, anonymous bushie, what about that?
You realize that it exactly translates to Führer, right?
Didnt that god guy die somewhere around the last quarter of the 19th century? Nah, when did Ockham live? oops, guess HE stinks a lot already.
http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12795 1&cid=10696698 for some background on the founder of MEMRI to which the link in the parents post is pointing. Throws an interesting light on the bragging above ;)
Eat shit, Effing redneck.
If youre refering to this article in the NYY post, then FYI.
That Yigal Carmon whos quoted in the article is kinda mossad guy and a known advocat of torture and the occupation of palestine. Maybe one of the most rightwing ones you can find. Notorious is his analysis of the madrid bombing (heres an interview on the topic hosted on the site of his MEMRI institute) in an attempt to side Aznar`s lies. Why the House chose him to report on arab media is up to your own guesses. German researcher Henner Kirchner hosts an article on his background, sorry its german.
Note: if a headline calls a human (whomever) a monster make sure to check the background of 'experts' quoted.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail /-/books/023113102X/reviews/102-6901471-0934509#02 3113102x5123
;)
Bah, that's inevitable anyway according to this guy.
Disclaimer: Contains opinion by a french man, not suitable for minors
Id highly doubt that, its still an preemptive war and they got a law against any participation in offensive warfare. Schröder would face 10yrs to life according to that law. Not to mention he'd spoil his last chance of reelections, as he actually got into office again by promising to keep them out of the war. As funny as it is, dubya was right once : they're notorious pacifists nowadays.
Well, Japan maybe democratic formally, just how comes they have never changed the ruling partyin the last 40 or so years? And to call them westeners is really hilarious. To me it seems more that they had to adopt somehow after WWII and that of course has deeply changed their society, nevertheless if you take a look at their traditional values I dont think they're an example to rebute my thesis really. Btw I didnt say a word about Iraqs populaion density, I just found it odd that Iraqis shared that opinion. By connecting Islam and fascism you show exactly the sort of ignorance that led to disaster. How about America changed their life from purgatorium to hell? Waisting breath here. Anyway, last one: they demostrated, they exercised their freedom of speech, now you dont like it. Oh... its FREEDOM(TM). IC