If you want to be a dead beat mooch, there are plenty of American's who can illustrate to you exactly how to do it within America.
The people who complain about "dead beat mooch" have yet to demonstrate to me what they're talking about. Most often they only hear what someone else or the right wing echo chamber told them.
Was it socialism when the federal government gave away grants of land under the 1862 Homestead Act for people to settle in the West?
They were not cellphones that could be used to play online games and look at porn.
My understanding is that these Obama phones are voice-only cellphones that don't include a data phone. It's very hard "to play online games and look at porn" when a cellphone doesn't come with a data plan. If the Obama phones did come with a data plan, it's not going to be an unlimited data plan that everyone pays $50+ per month.
In traditional America, people don't get stuff they want handed to them, they have to either work for it like everybody else or convince people they are in need of charity.
The next 20+ years will be interesting as the baby boomers retire and the workforce (tax base) shrinks. Two-thirds of the federal budget will go to social security and medicare. Taxes will have to go way up to pay for everything else. I'm sure your charity to your fellow human beings will be hard pressed in the years to come.
Sanders is talking about "free" collage education. That is 100% pure socialism.
Like the G.I. Bill that kicked off one of most robust periods of American Capitalism in the 20th century?
The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944 (P.L. 78-346, 58 Stat. 284m), known informally as the G.I. Bill, was a law that provided a range of benefits for returning World War II veterans (commonly referred to as G.I.s). Benefits included low-cost mortgages, low-interest loans to start a business, cash payments of tuition and living expenses to attend university, high school or vocational education, as well as one year of unemployment compensation. It was available to every veteran who had been on active duty during the war years for at least one-hundred twenty days and had not been dishonorably discharged; combat was not required. By 1956, roughly 2.2 million veterans had used the G.I. Bill education benefits in order to attend colleges or universities, and an additional 5.6 million used these benefits for some kind of training program.
When you take money from one person and give to another. that is socialism.
That's called taxation. Who else is going to pay for civilization?
Trump has never labeled himself a conservative, nor acted like one.
Apparently, he did. You need to pay closer attention.
"I am a conservative person. I am by nature a conservative person," the outspoken billionaire said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "I never looked at putting a label on myself, I wasn't in politics."
Drivel from the right wing echo chamber does not constitute an argument. Epic fail!
If you wish to discuss Bernie Sanders, please, follow-up under my earlier post [slashdot.org] on the subject with answers to the three questions at the end of it.
Wow! I'm getting all the political nuts tonight. Fortunately, I have better things to do.:P
Bernie Sanders uses the socialist label the same way that Donald Trump who uses the conservative label to get free press. Neither of them are who they claim to be.
And he is not merely a Socialist, he is a Communist.
Communists as a boogeyman disappeared after the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. You going to have come up with something a lot more scarier than that to scare uninformed voters. That is why the Republican Party is being reduced from a national party to a southern regional party. Hard to run a political campaign on fear when the bogeymen no longer scare people and the brain trust for new policy ideas runs on fumes.
I am sure filing for bankruptcy disqualifies you from many things in the future that people take for granted also, like loans/credit.
Bankruptcy had zero impact on my circumstances. I was able to rebuild my credit history in a year. I got a credit union loan two years ago for $2,500 when starting my government IT job took longer than expected and I needed money to cover one month of expenses. Five years after filing for bankruptcy, I'm just starting to recover financially from the Great Recession.
I always considered them a midwest or eastern US fixture.
You're more likely to find basements in old Victorian houses on the west coast. The five-bedroom frat house I lived in with 12 other guys in Silicon Valley had a basement for the washer and dryer, storing personal belongings in boxes, and 30+ years of frat house graffiti scribbled on the walls.
[...] if anyone wants to wade through all of the programs.
Most people who complain about government programs have no first hand experience at what they're talking about. When I was out of work for two years (2009-2010), I was told I could not qualify for food stamps until I filed for bankruptcy. After I filed for bankruptcy in 2011, I couldn't get food stamps because I made too much money from working 20 hours per month at a part-time job that paid more than minimum wage. I spent months eating bulk beans and rice until the economy turned around.
The same program that President Ronald Reagan started to help people afford a phone line?
The FCC established the Lifeline program in 1985 to ensure that qualifying low-income consumers could afford phone service and the opportunities and security it provides. Congress supported and strengthened Lifeline in the Telecommunications Act of 1996, requiring that affordable service and advanced communications be available to low-income consumers across the country. In March of 2016, the FCC modernized Lifeline for advanced services by beginning a transition toward support of broadband service. Learn more about Lifeline modernization from this press release.
As someone who has worked in IT for decades, I don't think that I've ever seen a security initiative where the biggest challenge wasn't persuading management.
I work for a government IT security initiative hat has national and regional support to get the job done. Local support is almost nonexistent since fixing security issues means a local tech will have to track down a computer, persuade the user to surrender it, and then re-image the system to bring it back into compliance. They don't want to touch a system unless a user reports a problem. Security is proactive and not reactive. Since I'm the regional rep assigned to the facility, the local management wants me to go find and re-image these systems for them. It's not my job. Last I checked there were 300+ systems that needed to re-imaging and the list keeps growing.
Why do people buy 16Gb devices and then assume it will be good for anything beyond that 16Gb?
Most people are not techies. They just want an iPhone. When they figured out the limitations of a 16GB iPhone, they may upgrade to a better model depending on their needs. According to my friend who works at a Sprint store, they sell a lot of 16GB iPhones.
I expect Linus or someone else in the community could afford $99 per year to host Linux somewhere, given that it's not trivial, and is actually worth something to many people.
Early versions of Linux (kernel) and many Linux distros since then were hosted for FREE on university FTP servers before the Internet became available to everyone and broadband replaced dial-up accounts.
Oh I see, schools being morons is apparently the fault of BMI. On every other thread, schools are such idiots. But on this thread, it's the BMI, not schools.
I was the proverbial fat kid at school. Therefore my parents must be fat and it was their fault. So the principal hauled them into his office to yell at them, and discovered that two skinny people gave birth to a bowling ball (I weighed ten pounds and the doctor told my mom to expect twins). Therefore I must have a medical condition. Repeated blood tests from third to seventh grades failed to find any abnormalities. Therefore I was fat for no obvious reasons and that didn't make any sense. The word "genetics" wasn't used when I went to school in the early 1980's. After my mother passed away ten years ago, I discovered pictures of several relatives in the early 1900's who were taller and wider than I am. The giant gene skipped generations.
Secondly, I plugged that girl's numbers into the NHS BMI calculator and it gave her as "healthy weight".
That's for the UK. In America, BMI is used as a club to fat shame body builders to skinny kids.
I recently came across this factoid: the world population doubled twice in the 20th century, but it won't even double in the 21st century as old people will outnumber young people.
Slashdot Mirror
If you want to be a dead beat mooch, there are plenty of American's who can illustrate to you exactly how to do it within America.
The people who complain about "dead beat mooch" have yet to demonstrate to me what they're talking about. Most often they only hear what someone else or the right wing echo chamber told them.
Was it socialism when the federal government gave away grants of land under the 1862 Homestead Act for people to settle in the West?
They were not cellphones that could be used to play online games and look at porn.
My understanding is that these Obama phones are voice-only cellphones that don't include a data phone. It's very hard "to play online games and look at porn" when a cellphone doesn't come with a data plan. If the Obama phones did come with a data plan, it's not going to be an unlimited data plan that everyone pays $50+ per month.
In traditional America, people don't get stuff they want handed to them, they have to either work for it like everybody else or convince people they are in need of charity.
The next 20+ years will be interesting as the baby boomers retire and the workforce (tax base) shrinks. Two-thirds of the federal budget will go to social security and medicare. Taxes will have to go way up to pay for everything else. I'm sure your charity to your fellow human beings will be hard pressed in the years to come.
Sanders is talking about "free" collage education. That is 100% pure socialism.
Like the G.I. Bill that kicked off one of most robust periods of American Capitalism in the 20th century?
The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944 (P.L. 78-346, 58 Stat. 284m), known informally as the G.I. Bill, was a law that provided a range of benefits for returning World War II veterans (commonly referred to as G.I.s). Benefits included low-cost mortgages, low-interest loans to start a business, cash payments of tuition and living expenses to attend university, high school or vocational education, as well as one year of unemployment compensation. It was available to every veteran who had been on active duty during the war years for at least one-hundred twenty days and had not been dishonorably discharged; combat was not required. By 1956, roughly 2.2 million veterans had used the G.I. Bill education benefits in order to attend colleges or universities, and an additional 5.6 million used these benefits for some kind of training program.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill/
When you take money from one person and give to another. that is socialism.
That's called taxation. Who else is going to pay for civilization?
Trump has never labeled himself a conservative, nor acted like one.
Apparently, he did. You need to pay closer attention.
"I am a conservative person. I am by nature a conservative person," the outspoken billionaire said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "I never looked at putting a label on myself, I wasn't in politics."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-insists-conservative-article-1.2332241/
The biggest group in this country is conservative [...]
Uh, no. Independents are 43%, Democrats are 30% and Republicans are 26%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx
Look at Obamacare, it is starting to crumble because it could never work.
Because of ObamaCare, my monthly premiums for healthcare from my employer went from $500 to $180. That's for better coverage at a lower cost.
Nothing is free.
You should take your own advice and stopped listening to the "fact free" drivel that comes out of the right wing echo chamber.
You have to provide arguments.
Drivel from the right wing echo chamber does not constitute an argument. Epic fail!
If you wish to discuss Bernie Sanders, please, follow-up under my earlier post [slashdot.org] on the subject with answers to the three questions at the end of it.
Wow! I'm getting all the political nuts tonight. Fortunately, I have better things to do. :P
the link validates io333's downmodded accusation
As a moderate conservative, I call it BS.
One is running for President right now.
Bernie Sanders uses the socialist label the same way that Donald Trump who uses the conservative label to get free press. Neither of them are who they claim to be.
And he is not merely a Socialist, he is a Communist.
Communists as a boogeyman disappeared after the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. You going to have come up with something a lot more scarier than that to scare uninformed voters. That is why the Republican Party is being reduced from a national party to a southern regional party. Hard to run a political campaign on fear when the bogeymen no longer scare people and the brain trust for new policy ideas runs on fumes.
I am sure filing for bankruptcy disqualifies you from many things in the future that people take for granted also, like loans/credit.
Bankruptcy had zero impact on my circumstances. I was able to rebuild my credit history in a year. I got a credit union loan two years ago for $2,500 when starting my government IT job took longer than expected and I needed money to cover one month of expenses. Five years after filing for bankruptcy, I'm just starting to recover financially from the Great Recession.
Yet what do we have today?
World Wide Web, which also replaced the Wide World of Sports.
Well, unless you count the internet being their ultimate death.
That's like complaining about the phone replacing the telegraph, the fridge replacing the ice box, or porn replacing your girlfriend.
I always considered them a midwest or eastern US fixture.
You're more likely to find basements in old Victorian houses on the west coast. The five-bedroom frat house I lived in with 12 other guys in Silicon Valley had a basement for the washer and dryer, storing personal belongings in boxes, and 30+ years of frat house graffiti scribbled on the walls.
[...] if anyone wants to wade through all of the programs.
Most people who complain about government programs have no first hand experience at what they're talking about. When I was out of work for two years (2009-2010), I was told I could not qualify for food stamps until I filed for bankruptcy. After I filed for bankruptcy in 2011, I couldn't get food stamps because I made too much money from working 20 hours per month at a part-time job that paid more than minimum wage. I spent months eating bulk beans and rice until the economy turned around.
You can start here [obamaphone.com]...
The same program that President Ronald Reagan started to help people afford a phone line?
The FCC established the Lifeline program in 1985 to ensure that qualifying low-income consumers could afford phone service and the opportunities and security it provides. Congress supported and strengthened Lifeline in the Telecommunications Act of 1996, requiring that affordable service and advanced communications be available to low-income consumers across the country. In March of 2016, the FCC modernized Lifeline for advanced services by beginning a transition toward support of broadband service. Learn more about Lifeline modernization from this press release.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/lifeline-support-affordable-communications
Capitalists made the cell phones (and WiFi) possible, Socialists are making it a civil right.
You need to stop watching Fox News on TV, step outside and get some fresh air. Real socialists don't exist in the United States.
[...] a bunch of segregated systems.
The pre-1994 Intenet: CompuServe, AOL, BITNET, APRANet, the BBSes connected together via Fidonet, and many others.
[...] so everyone can have free phones, food, rent, medical care, iPads and internet access [...]
Where I can sign up for this?
*crickets*
That's what I thought.
As someone who has worked in IT for decades, I don't think that I've ever seen a security initiative where the biggest challenge wasn't persuading management.
I work for a government IT security initiative hat has national and regional support to get the job done. Local support is almost nonexistent since fixing security issues means a local tech will have to track down a computer, persuade the user to surrender it, and then re-image the system to bring it back into compliance. They don't want to touch a system unless a user reports a problem. Security is proactive and not reactive. Since I'm the regional rep assigned to the facility, the local management wants me to go find and re-image these systems for them. It's not my job. Last I checked there were 300+ systems that needed to re-imaging and the list keeps growing.
Can't keep your own house secure, how dare we try to keep ours so?
More guns? I heard Wal-Mart has a sale on GI Joe bazookas this week.
Yeap, just keeps deleting all those unnecessary files you have: music, photos, documents and such.
I used to do that with my 20MB hard drive back in the day. Of course, I backed them up to floppy disks. We didn't have a cloud back then.
They could just buy a real phone that lets you manage your storage yourself whenever you want, perhaps even let you install a 128G SD card.
I must be doing something wrong. I got a 16GB iPhone with 8GB free.
Why do people buy 16Gb devices and then assume it will be good for anything beyond that 16Gb?
Most people are not techies. They just want an iPhone. When they figured out the limitations of a 16GB iPhone, they may upgrade to a better model depending on their needs. According to my friend who works at a Sprint store, they sell a lot of 16GB iPhones.
You failed to prove your point.
I expect Linus or someone else in the community could afford $99 per year to host Linux somewhere, given that it's not trivial, and is actually worth something to many people.
Early versions of Linux (kernel) and many Linux distros since then were hosted for FREE on university FTP servers before the Internet became available to everyone and broadband replaced dial-up accounts.
Thus your one example demonstrates my point.
Uh, no. Put in another quarter and try again.
You might want to check into the definition of factoid.
Considering my source for the factoid was Slashdot, I used the word properly. ;)
Oh I see, schools being morons is apparently the fault of BMI. On every other thread, schools are such idiots. But on this thread, it's the BMI, not schools.
I was the proverbial fat kid at school. Therefore my parents must be fat and it was their fault. So the principal hauled them into his office to yell at them, and discovered that two skinny people gave birth to a bowling ball (I weighed ten pounds and the doctor told my mom to expect twins). Therefore I must have a medical condition. Repeated blood tests from third to seventh grades failed to find any abnormalities. Therefore I was fat for no obvious reasons and that didn't make any sense. The word "genetics" wasn't used when I went to school in the early 1980's. After my mother passed away ten years ago, I discovered pictures of several relatives in the early 1900's who were taller and wider than I am. The giant gene skipped generations.
Secondly, I plugged that girl's numbers into the NHS BMI calculator and it gave her as "healthy weight".
That's for the UK. In America, BMI is used as a club to fat shame body builders to skinny kids.
Yeah yeah and everyone who has an obese level BMI is a special fucking snowflake world champion bodybuilder.
How about the opposite extreme: skinny third grade girls being called obese by their school. More special snowflakes?
http://www.inquisitr.com/1266298/school-sends-girl-home-with-fat-letter-skinny-third-grader-considered-overweight/
If 30% of more of your body mass is fat, you are one fat motherfucker.
So is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
http://www.docshop.com/2008/04/08/arnold-schwarzenegger-is-obese-problems-with-body-mass-index-bmi-calculations
But I just think this is really amazing.
I recently came across this factoid: the world population doubled twice in the 20th century, but it won't even double in the 21st century as old people will outnumber young people.
In some parts of the world, being fat equals being wealthy.