Most Cisco routers ARE NOT about basic routing. If it was, they would be out of business. You can keep beating this drum but you're obviously clueless of the differences between a DIY router and an enterprise router.
I guess all these Fortune 500 companies are doing it all wrong. I did a project at a Google data center where the equivalent $1M Cisco router was implemented with high-performance network parts that took up two rows of equipment racks. The heart of that setup is a fiber optic switch that cost $30,000 and came in a hard shell box with two feet of form on each side. That setup was less expensive and less finicky than the $1M Cisco router.
Can your old PC can do what a $17,500 Cisco router can do?
The Cisco 4451-X offers a multicore CPU architecture running modular Cisco IOS XE software that dynamically adapts to the changing needs of your branch-office environment. The separation of the control and data planes provides the ability to deliver application-aware network services while maintaining a stable platform and a high level of performance during periods of heavy network load. With the ability to integrate application-aware services and the ability to scale performance without a complete equipment upgrade, the Cisco 4451-X offers exceptional total cost of ownership (TCO) savings and network agility through the intelligent integration of market-leading security, unified communications, and application services.
A very low-end Cisco router could be described as "dual NIC/dual homed pc's with RAM + an OS." Most Cisco routers can take modules and WAN cards to expand their functionality beyond the one or two built-in NICs. Some Cisco routers don't even have NICs, just module and/or WAN slots.
You do know that a plumber has to learn the trade before he can get his license? A high school or college diploma doesn't matter. My father graduated from the eighth grade, spent 50 years in the masonry trade, and routinely corrected college-educated architects on their errors in the blueprints. There's a shortage of skilled tradesmen because everyone is funneled from high school into college.
I had to prove that I read the books because the children librarian thought I was lying. If I have collected my gold star every week like all the other children did, no one would ask if I read the book. This children librarian also complained to my parents when I started checking adult books a few summers later. I had a college-level reading comprehension by the time I was in the eighth-grade.
I've worked for several help desks that made a big deal out of getting ITIL-certified, but wouldn't pay to get the techs certified as they might leave for a better paying job elsewhere. If the company wasn't willing to spend the money, none of the techs were willing either. The ITIL initiative fell to wayside and died a quiet death.
That's funny. My current I.T. job is for the government. The older workers told me that they used to fly out to Microsoft for training and conferences. That stopped ten years ago. If you want training or attend a conference, you have to do it on your own dime.
The local library had a summer reading program when I was a little kid. Six picture books from a list to be read over six weeks, get a gold star for each book read, and a diploma for completing the program. So I signed up for the program and read six picture books in an hour. The children librarian called me a liar. I recited back all six books nearly word for word to prove that I wasn't lying. I got my gold stars but had to wait for the diploma six weeks later.
When I worked in a wireless testing lab, I had 30 laptops streaming the company YouTube videos in a loop. The wireless division chief noticed on the monthly network report that I was using 75% of the wireless bandwidth to watch YouTube videos. He ordered my boss to fire me. My boss invited him down to the lab. He walked in just as his interview started playing on 30 screens and he told me to carry on. Of course, boss took credit for the "real world" testing I was doing.
When you promote a Marketing hack to President, you are no longer a tech company. What you are saying is that technology is not longer your highest priority.
That reminds of a 1970's disaster movie where the LA freeway system got so terribly clogged up that orders from the control room were given to send in the military to get traffic moving again.
Another objection that I hear to training your people is "but but but they'll get the new skill and leave for another company!" If they're leaving, it's probably not because they want to screw you over. They're leaving because another company will treat them better.
I did contract work for a large networking company that didn't want to train workers for certification because they would leave the company and get a better paying job somewhere else. Never mind that the lack of training prompted many people to get certified on their own time (and sometime with company equipment), leave the company and get a better paying job somewhere else. Corporate dysfunction at its finest.
I've seen a lot of "entry level" IT postings with job descriptions that require 4+ years of experience, a college degree and a pay rate that's lower than what I started working 18 years ago.
I recall seeing an old illustration of a father and son playing chess while the car drives them to their destination on the freeway. In particular, the father had his back to the windshield and not paying attention to traffic. I guess today's technology still has a long way to go.
In a darkened environment, say at night or the cubicles of a video game company (where this plant incident occurred), plants consume oxygen (see explanation below). If the bean counters started charging for oxygen, you wouldn't want a plant to consume additional oxygen inside your darkened cube. Since the company was in a death spiral, testers started leaving before the bean counters could charge them for oxygen.
But what happens at night when there is no sunlight which is needed in photosynthesis? Interestingly, in order to maintain their metabolism and continue respiration at night, plants must absorb oxygen from the air and give off carbon dioxide (which is exactly what animals do). Fortunately for all of us oxygen breathers, plants produce approximately ten times more oxygen during the day that what they consume at night.
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That's why I get paid the big bucks. ;)
I read the other comments. You still haven't changed my mind that you're clueless.
Actually, I'm a senior system admin for 80,000 systems.
Most Cisco routers ARE NOT about basic routing. If it was, they would be out of business. You can keep beating this drum but you're obviously clueless of the differences between a DIY router and an enterprise router.
I guess all these Fortune 500 companies are doing it all wrong. I did a project at a Google data center where the equivalent $1M Cisco router was implemented with high-performance network parts that took up two rows of equipment racks. The heart of that setup is a fiber optic switch that cost $30,000 and came in a hard shell box with two feet of form on each side. That setup was less expensive and less finicky than the $1M Cisco router.
Can your old PC can do what a $17,500 Cisco router can do?
The Cisco 4451-X offers a multicore CPU architecture running modular Cisco IOS XE software that dynamically adapts to the changing needs of your branch-office environment. The separation of the control and data planes provides the ability to deliver application-aware network services while maintaining a stable platform and a high level of performance during periods of heavy network load. With the ability to integrate application-aware services and the ability to scale performance without a complete equipment upgrade, the Cisco 4451-X offers exceptional total cost of ownership (TCO) savings and network agility through the intelligent integration of market-leading security, unified communications, and application services.
https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Cisco-4451-X-Integrated-Services-Router-Application-Experience-with-Voice/3641687.aspx
A very low-end Cisco router could be described as "dual NIC/dual homed pc's with RAM + an OS." Most Cisco routers can take modules and WAN cards to expand their functionality beyond the one or two built-in NICs. Some Cisco routers don't even have NICs, just module and/or WAN slots.
http://www.cablesandkits.com/cisco-modules-c-50_83.html
The picture books I read had a handful of words underneath each picture.
You do know that a plumber has to learn the trade before he can get his license? A high school or college diploma doesn't matter. My father graduated from the eighth grade, spent 50 years in the masonry trade, and routinely corrected college-educated architects on their errors in the blueprints. There's a shortage of skilled tradesmen because everyone is funneled from high school into college.
I get similar online training for government policies and procedures. Not the same as actually going offsite for a company-sponsored junket.
Add it to your resume. Recruiters and HR folks love that kind of thing. Hiring managers, not so much.
I had to prove that I read the books because the children librarian thought I was lying. If I have collected my gold star every week like all the other children did, no one would ask if I read the book. This children librarian also complained to my parents when I started checking adult books a few summers later. I had a college-level reading comprehension by the time I was in the eighth-grade.
I've worked for several help desks that made a big deal out of getting ITIL-certified, but wouldn't pay to get the techs certified as they might leave for a better paying job elsewhere. If the company wasn't willing to spend the money, none of the techs were willing either. The ITIL initiative fell to wayside and died a quiet death.
That's funny. My current I.T. job is for the government. The older workers told me that they used to fly out to Microsoft for training and conferences. That stopped ten years ago. If you want training or attend a conference, you have to do it on your own dime.
The local library had a summer reading program when I was a little kid. Six picture books from a list to be read over six weeks, get a gold star for each book read, and a diploma for completing the program. So I signed up for the program and read six picture books in an hour. The children librarian called me a liar. I recited back all six books nearly word for word to prove that I wasn't lying. I got my gold stars but had to wait for the diploma six weeks later.
When I worked in a wireless testing lab, I had 30 laptops streaming the company YouTube videos in a loop. The wireless division chief noticed on the monthly network report that I was using 75% of the wireless bandwidth to watch YouTube videos. He ordered my boss to fire me. My boss invited him down to the lab. He walked in just as his interview started playing on 30 screens and he told me to carry on. Of course, boss took credit for the "real world" testing I was doing.
When you promote a Marketing hack to President, you are no longer a tech company. What you are saying is that technology is not longer your highest priority.
FTFY - Dogbert Correctness Committee
That reminds of a 1970's disaster movie where the LA freeway system got so terribly clogged up that orders from the control room were given to send in the military to get traffic moving again.
I've seen many level entry job descriptions with those kind of requirements, which are then used to justify hiring H1B candidates.
Another objection that I hear to training your people is "but but but they'll get the new skill and leave for another company!" If they're leaving, it's probably not because they want to screw you over. They're leaving because another company will treat them better.
I did contract work for a large networking company that didn't want to train workers for certification because they would leave the company and get a better paying job somewhere else. Never mind that the lack of training prompted many people to get certified on their own time (and sometime with company equipment), leave the company and get a better paying job somewhere else. Corporate dysfunction at its finest.
Do you think Walmart would continue to make unreasonable amounts of money if they didn't have cashiers?
Wal-Mart is in the process of replacing cashiers with self-checkout machines.
http://empirenews.net/wal-mart-laying-off-cashiers-customers-must-use-self-checkout-or-pay-fee/
I've seen a lot of "entry level" IT postings with job descriptions that require 4+ years of experience, a college degree and a pay rate that's lower than what I started working 18 years ago.
I recall seeing an old illustration of a father and son playing chess while the car drives them to their destination on the freeway. In particular, the father had his back to the windshield and not paying attention to traffic. I guess today's technology still has a long way to go.
In a darkened environment, say at night or the cubicles of a video game company (where this plant incident occurred), plants consume oxygen (see explanation below). If the bean counters started charging for oxygen, you wouldn't want a plant to consume additional oxygen inside your darkened cube. Since the company was in a death spiral, testers started leaving before the bean counters could charge them for oxygen.
But what happens at night when there is no sunlight which is needed in photosynthesis? Interestingly, in order to maintain their metabolism and continue respiration at night, plants must absorb oxygen from the air and give off carbon dioxide (which is exactly what animals do). Fortunately for all of us oxygen breathers, plants produce approximately ten times more oxygen during the day that what they consume at night.
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=2860
No, someone need to tell the conservatives. Ignorance isn't a virtue to be proud of, especially when running for president.