The courts will decide if he engaged in computer crime and espionage. So far his activity is little different on the face of it than Philby's except enhanced with Soviet style political warfare techniques. (Remember the Soviet AIDs disinformation campaign?) Perhaps it is all as Snowden claims, or perhaps the former Soviet bloc intelligence officers are right and Snowden is a Russian asset. Russian intelligence tradecraft is among the best in the world, and they are patient.
As to the court cases, the only thing won so far is an injunction for 2 people. The matter has yet to be decided and appealed. It is very premature to claim victory for anybody. There are legal scholars that see things differently.
I have given you many references to one specific well documented example where the NSA was involved in the identification and takedown of key leaders of a political movement.
No you didn't. What you "gave" me was a link with a search string in it, which is essentially providing nothing while allowing you to disclaim any specific example. That is hardly different than claiming you documented something by handing out the street address of the library. If you want to make that claim then provide a specific URL or documentation about specific incidents.
Your posts here strongly smell of socially destructive Right Wing Authoritarianism
And your posts smell strongly of fascist techniques, such as those documented by Julius Yourman in the Journal of Educational Sociology:
NAME CALLING - "Name calling" is a device to make us form a judgment without examining the evidence on which it should be based. Here the propagandist appeals to our hate and fear.
CARD STACKING - "Card stacking" is a device in which the propagandist employs all the arts of deception to win our support for himself, his group, nation, race, policy, practice, belief, or ideal. He stacks the cards against the truth. He uses underemphasis and overemphasis to dodge or evade facts
TRANSFER - "Transfer" is a device by which the propagandist carries over the authority, sanction, and prestige of something we respect and revere to something he would have us accept.
I suppose as a disciple of Chomsky, long a denier of the Cambodian genocide, and who knows who else, that should be expected. (I did find it amusing the last time Chomsky came up that you provided links defending his association with Holocaust deniers, that have been exposed, apparently thinking that would cover his issues with Cambodia.)
. Religion is often what you're born with. Yes, it would be nice if everyone got to pick and chose after careful deliberation, but that rarely happens.
That is actually what many of the fights around extreme Islam are about: convert, leave, or die. That also goes for the local Muslims since they are often not considered pius enough for the tastes of al Qaida. The fact that al Qaida kills many Muslims has been costing them significant amounts of support in the Muslim world.
The current Turkish leadership has been playing footsy with Iran and other extremist elements. That have been sowing the seeds of future trouble.
There are many people in Africa turning to both Islam and Christianity.
So you don't have any specific instances you care to quote? It is always possible to make the claim about "unqualified totalitarianism," it just isn't true. Besides that, the lawlessness in the camps and riots by the Occupy members that did occur were a local police problem, not an NSA problem.
Occupy Wall Street was a minor movement of the fringe left that went nowhere to the surprise of few people. I don't think they could get the scheduling committees to get "making a plan" on the agenda before the interest ran out and the "drum lines" got the munchies and wandered off.
That you think it is a "rant", that I point out that the quality of paper-money in the US is too low to allow $1000 bills only shows your ignorance or that standards that the modern world applies to paper money.
If the standards of the "modern world" include accuracy for questions of fact, you aren't living up to them.
United States currency denominations above $100 are not available from the Department of the Treasury, the Federal Reserve System, or the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On July 14, 1969, the Department of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve System announced that currency notes in denominations of $500, $1,000, $5,000, and $10,000 would be discontinued immediately due to lack of use. Although they were issued until 1969, they were last printed in 1945.
The US Treasury could print new $1,000 bills if it wanted to, it wouldn't be a problem.
Interesting that the year the US defeated Germany and Japan in WW2 was the last year they printed $1,000 bills.
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He says he's not dead.
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For a dying language Ruby is doing great..... What comedic timing: Is Ruby Dying.
The key thing to understand is that Netcraft didn't confirm it.
One way to separate out trolls from ordinary posts taking a contrary position is to read the parent post to see if the post in question answers a point in the parent post. A rationally stated point supported by related facts isn't a troll just because you disagree with it. If your primary basis for moderating down posts is that you simply disagree with the position, you don't support free debate as part of free speech. If you consistently act that way you are allying yourself with fascist principles.
In psychology, a person who has a martyr complex, sometimes associated with the term victim complex, desires the feeling of being a martyr for his/her own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it feeds a psychological need.
In some cases, this results from the belief that the martyr has been singled out for persecution because of exceptional ability or integrity...
The desire for martyrdom is sometimes considered a form of masochism.[6] Allan Berger, however, described it as one of several patterns of "pain/suffering seeking behavior", including asceticism and penance.[7]
Over two days his guard never dropped, but he allowed a few fragments to emerge. He is an “ascetic,” he said. He lives off ramen noodles and chips. He has visitors, and many of them bring books. The books pile up, unread. The Internet is an endless library and a window on the progress of his cause.
The "surveillance" part should always be a concern given the potential to turn into more. But I don't think you can really claim unqualified totalitarianism unless there is actual repression tied into it, especially political repression, rather than law enforcement against mugging and rape. Still, it is something that a free society has to be mindful of, and guard against so that surveillance doesn't turn into totalitarianism. And it is certainly good to maintain privacy when possible.
Ah, marvelous. There are Russian Orthodox churches in the US that maintain the Orthodox traditions, such as Saint Nicholas Russian Orthodox in Seattle.
I wish you a happy post-Soviet joyously Orthodox Christmas in the Russian tradition.
There is corruption, and then there is Corruption. I can't imagine paying a bribe in the Western world as part of a driver's license application. But there are countries where that is necessary, and similar arrangements are needed for basic interaction with the government or other institutions. That is a fight that various parts of the world fight, and which drives the public mad. The people hate the corruption, but then when given a job in which they can extract payments too few people resist the temptation or social pressure to extract the payments to pass on to the tribe or extended family. That explains some of the attraction of political Islam. The Islamists rightly decry corruption, and Muslim people turn to them, but the results are almost always disappointing. In time corruption rears its head and you are still stuck with the hand and head chopping and other harsh laws brought by the Islamists, and the corruption continues.
It isn't good for children to always have their noses stuck in a computer of some sort. There are plenty of other things they should be doing. That hardly constitutes being a "hermit."
As to the rest of your post, it would be more convincing if it was posted tomorrow. And I could ask you the same question.
That is wise. I hope you plan to supervise their computer use as they get older, and keep an eye on the games they play. They will complain, but it is the right thing to do. Good luck raising them.
A child born today will grow up with no conception of privacy at all. They'll never know what it means to have a private moment to themselves — an unrecorded, unanalyzed thought.
Easy answer: Little kids don't get computers or cable TV in the room. They can leave the Gameboy, phone, and tablet at home, and go for a walk, or to the park to play.
Ed really should try leaving his desk from time to time.
Your original answer was 10 words that actually answered the question. You then went on a 25 word rant about the US. Yes, we've noticed you don't like the US. The post you replied to above was correct, and more on topic to you than you were to the original.
Your first post is tedious axe grinding. It would be nice if you could give it a rest for a day, or is it a strong and compelling obsession to you?
The truly bizarre aspect of this is that it involves aspects of a power struggle involving the Turkish PM and a Turkish Imam currently residing in the US.
The more extreme Islamists in power are facing challenge from more moderate Muslims.
I hope it turns out well, or Turkey is in trouble. Erdogan has already managed to yank out many of the checks on the government that have long existed, as well as cozying up with Iran.
There are at least three problems with your post. First, the revealed interest by the intelligence services in Slashdot was due to targeting some people that read Slashdot, not Slashdot itself, or its general readership. You may recall this recent story:
Second, your article doesn't really apply since Slashdot is in English and is domestically (US) hosted as far as I know.
From the fine link:
The project will not target English speaking web sites (yet) but will be limited to foreign languages, including Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto. The project will be funded as part of the $200 million Operation Earnest Voice program run by US Central Command."
Third, the legal status of that sort of propaganda targeted through a US website to a US audience is suspect. It certainly used to be clearly illegal.
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To claim that it does not happen, when we have evidence that it does happen is beyond idiotic. It is complete and utter bullshit (either intentional or from ignorance.
You have made an inflated claim on weak, faulty evidence. Based on your precedent, shall we describe that as "beyond idiotic" and "complete and utter bullshit (either intentional or from ignorance)"?
Slashdot Mirror
The courts will decide if he engaged in computer crime and espionage. So far his activity is little different on the face of it than Philby's except enhanced with Soviet style political warfare techniques. (Remember the Soviet AIDs disinformation campaign?) Perhaps it is all as Snowden claims, or perhaps the former Soviet bloc intelligence officers are right and Snowden is a Russian asset. Russian intelligence tradecraft is among the best in the world, and they are patient.
As to the court cases, the only thing won so far is an injunction for 2 people. The matter has yet to be decided and appealed. It is very premature to claim victory for anybody. There are legal scholars that see things differently.
Another Problem With Judge Leon’s NSA Opinion: Absolute vs. Relative Measurements and Fourth Amendment Reasonableness
Can the DC Circuit Use the Mosaic Theory to Invalidate the NSA Telephony Metadata Program?
I have given you many references to one specific well documented example where the NSA was involved in the identification and takedown of key leaders of a political movement.
No you didn't. What you "gave" me was a link with a search string in it, which is essentially providing nothing while allowing you to disclaim any specific example. That is hardly different than claiming you documented something by handing out the street address of the library. If you want to make that claim then provide a specific URL or documentation about specific incidents.
Your posts here strongly smell of socially destructive Right Wing Authoritarianism
And your posts smell strongly of fascist techniques, such as those documented by Julius Yourman in the Journal of Educational Sociology:
NAME CALLING - "Name calling" is a device to make us form a judgment without examining the evidence on which it should be based. Here the propagandist appeals to our hate and fear.
CARD STACKING - "Card stacking" is a device in which the propagandist employs all the arts of deception to win our support for himself, his group, nation, race, policy, practice, belief, or ideal. He stacks the cards against the truth. He uses underemphasis and overemphasis to dodge or evade facts
TRANSFER - "Transfer" is a device by which the propagandist carries over the authority, sanction, and prestige of something we respect and revere to something he would have us accept.
I suppose as a disciple of Chomsky, long a denier of the Cambodian genocide, and who knows who else, that should be expected. (I did find it amusing the last time Chomsky came up that you provided links defending his association with Holocaust deniers, that have been exposed, apparently thinking that would cover his issues with Cambodia.)
. Religion is often what you're born with. Yes, it would be nice if everyone got to pick and chose after careful deliberation, but that rarely happens.
That is actually what many of the fights around extreme Islam are about: convert, leave, or die. That also goes for the local Muslims since they are often not considered pius enough for the tastes of al Qaida. The fact that al Qaida kills many Muslims has been costing them significant amounts of support in the Muslim world.
The current Turkish leadership has been playing footsy with Iran and other extremist elements. That have been sowing the seeds of future trouble.
There are many people in Africa turning to both Islam and Christianity.
So you don't have any specific instances you care to quote? It is always possible to make the claim about "unqualified totalitarianism," it just isn't true. Besides that, the lawlessness in the camps and riots by the Occupy members that did occur were a local police problem, not an NSA problem.
Occupy Wall Street was a minor movement of the fringe left that went nowhere to the surprise of few people. I don't think they could get the scheduling committees to get "making a plan" on the agenda before the interest ran out and the "drum lines" got the munchies and wandered off.
That you think it is a "rant", that I point out that the quality of paper-money in the US is too low to allow $1000 bills only shows your ignorance or that standards that the modern world applies to paper money.
If the standards of the "modern world" include accuracy for questions of fact, you aren't living up to them.
Currency Facts
United States currency denominations above $100 are not available from the Department of the Treasury, the Federal Reserve System, or the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On July 14, 1969, the Department of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve System announced that currency notes in denominations of $500, $1,000, $5,000, and $10,000 would be discontinued immediately due to lack of use. Although they were issued until 1969, they were last printed in 1945.
The US Treasury could print new $1,000 bills if it wanted to, it wouldn't be a problem.
Interesting that the year the US defeated Germany and Japan in WW2 was the last year they printed $1,000 bills.
He says he's not dead.
For a dying language Ruby is doing great ..... What comedic timing: Is Ruby Dying.
The key thing to understand is that Netcraft didn't confirm it.
I think this submission, Warcraft confirms it - Iranian sanctions are trying, which turned into this story, Iranian Players Blocked From World of Warcraft Due To Trade Sanctions , is still one of my favorites for playing with that meme.
Cheers
So, are you suggesting that Snowden wasn't being truthful? How far do you think that extends?
As available on Amazon.com, and as understood by the overwhelming majority of the population that knows the term.
You seem to have at a strange compulsion, probably more than one.
One way to separate out trolls from ordinary posts taking a contrary position is to read the parent post to see if the post in question answers a point in the parent post. A rationally stated point supported by related facts isn't a troll just because you disagree with it. If your primary basis for moderating down posts is that you simply disagree with the position, you don't support free debate as part of free speech. If you consistently act that way you are allying yourself with fascist principles.
The case against Snowden is for espionage and computer crime, not for being a revolutionary.
He described himself as "ascetic," not poor. That self-description would apply regardless of how much money he had.
Although narcissism may be involved, I think the phenomenon you are looking for is the:
Martyr complex.
In psychology, a person who has a martyr complex, sometimes associated with the term victim complex, desires the feeling of being a martyr for his/her own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it feeds a psychological need.
In some cases, this results from the belief that the martyr has been singled out for persecution because of exceptional ability or integrity ...
The desire for martyrdom is sometimes considered a form of masochism.[6] Allan Berger, however, described it as one of several patterns of "pain/suffering seeking behavior", including asceticism and penance.[7]
Interesting tie in from his recent interview:
Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished
Over two days his guard never dropped, but he allowed a few fragments to emerge. He is an “ascetic,” he said. He lives off ramen noodles and chips. He has visitors, and many of them bring books. The books pile up, unread. The Internet is an endless library and a window on the progress of his cause.
Interesting, but not definitive.
The "surveillance" part should always be a concern given the potential to turn into more. But I don't think you can really claim unqualified totalitarianism unless there is actual repression tied into it, especially political repression, rather than law enforcement against mugging and rape. Still, it is something that a free society has to be mindful of, and guard against so that surveillance doesn't turn into totalitarianism. And it is certainly good to maintain privacy when possible.
Yes, well both Khomeini and Lenin would know about that. I don't think Donovan's crew had much to do with them.
Ah, marvelous. There are Russian Orthodox churches in the US that maintain the Orthodox traditions, such as Saint Nicholas Russian Orthodox in Seattle.
I wish you a happy post-Soviet joyously Orthodox Christmas in the Russian tradition.
There is corruption, and then there is Corruption. I can't imagine paying a bribe in the Western world as part of a driver's license application. But there are countries where that is necessary, and similar arrangements are needed for basic interaction with the government or other institutions. That is a fight that various parts of the world fight, and which drives the public mad. The people hate the corruption, but then when given a job in which they can extract payments too few people resist the temptation or social pressure to extract the payments to pass on to the tribe or extended family. That explains some of the attraction of political Islam. The Islamists rightly decry corruption, and Muslim people turn to them, but the results are almost always disappointing. In time corruption rears its head and you are still stuck with the hand and head chopping and other harsh laws brought by the Islamists, and the corruption continues.
If you imprison the political opposition it isn't uncommon for them to leave the country. On the outside they tend to be beyond your reach.
It isn't good for children to always have their noses stuck in a computer of some sort. There are plenty of other things they should be doing. That hardly constitutes being a "hermit."
As to the rest of your post, it would be more convincing if it was posted tomorrow. And I could ask you the same question.
That is wise. I hope you plan to supervise their computer use as they get older, and keep an eye on the games they play. They will complain, but it is the right thing to do. Good luck raising them.
A child born today will grow up with no conception of privacy at all. They'll never know what it means to have a private moment to themselves — an unrecorded, unanalyzed thought.
Easy answer: Little kids don't get computers or cable TV in the room. They can leave the Gameboy, phone, and tablet at home, and go for a walk, or to the park to play.
Ed really should try leaving his desk from time to time.
Your original answer was 10 words that actually answered the question. You then went on a 25 word rant about the US. Yes, we've noticed you don't like the US. The post you replied to above was correct, and more on topic to you than you were to the original.
Your first post is tedious axe grinding. It would be nice if you could give it a rest for a day, or is it a strong and compelling obsession to you?
Personally I'm in favour of "Turkish Delight."
The truly bizarre aspect of this is that it involves aspects of a power struggle involving the Turkish PM and a Turkish Imam currently residing in the US.
Turkish imam Fethullah Gulen wields power from self-imposed exile
The more extreme Islamists in power are facing challenge from more moderate Muslims.
I hope it turns out well, or Turkey is in trouble. Erdogan has already managed to yank out many of the checks on the government that have long existed, as well as cozying up with Iran.
How quickly we forget things like this right?
There are at least three problems with your post. First, the revealed interest by the intelligence services in Slashdot was due to targeting some people that read Slashdot, not Slashdot itself, or its general readership. You may recall this recent story:
GCHQ Created Spoofed LinkedIn and Slashdot Sites To Serve Malware
Second, your article doesn't really apply since Slashdot is in English and is domestically (US) hosted as far as I know.
From the fine link:
The project will not target English speaking web sites (yet) but will be limited to foreign languages, including Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto. The project will be funded as part of the $200 million Operation Earnest Voice program run by US Central Command."
Third, the legal status of that sort of propaganda targeted through a US website to a US audience is suspect. It certainly used to be clearly illegal.
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To claim that it does not happen, when we have evidence that it does happen is beyond idiotic. It is complete and utter bullshit (either intentional or from ignorance.
You have made an inflated claim on weak, faulty evidence. Based on your precedent, shall we describe that as "beyond idiotic" and "complete and utter bullshit (either intentional or from ignorance)"?