So without their violation of our rights terrorism would rank behind drug abuse [wikipedia.org] and we don't seem to care that much about drug abuse. Even if all 50 attacks happened this year and each one killed ~3000 people the body count would only be 150,000 and terrorism would come in at #2 between being a fat ass and being a smoker.
So you think there are no problematic aspects to comparing the results of willful, planned human action resulting in violence with events of random chance or personal choice leading to death or disease? Lets continue that line of thinking. Americans lost about $92 billion in gambling in 2007. In 2012, there were 3,870 bank robberies in which the robbers managed to steal $29.5 million, or $7,600 per robbery. Surely by your thinking that must make gambling a much larger problem. Therefore society should totally abandon enforcing laws against bank robbery until it has reduced gambling losses from $92 billion to something close to $29.5 million. Do you think bank robbery would remain static at that level if that were to occur?
Abandoning enforcement of bank robberies (as a proxy for terrorism) will have little effect on the level of gambling (as a proxy for disease or accidents), but will almost certainly result in increased incidence of bank robberies. Bank robbery is a problem that is being kept in check by enforcement - there are people sitting in jail for bank robbery, just as there are for terrorism. Increased enforcement and longer sentences have helped significantly reduce the level of bank robbery. Do you think you would make that much of a dent in gambling as long as it remains legal since it is both enjoyable and addictive as are drugs? The answer is no.
That fact that statistics exist for terrorism and heart attacks doesn't mean that any particular comparison is necessarily valid. Your comparison isn't a reasonable comparison from a public policy perspective, and doesn't account for the secondary affects from those choices. Your argument is largely nonsense.
Some types of work generate enormous amounts of data in relatively short periods. The only way to keep things under control is to generate the data and ruthlessly pare back whatever isn't needed, preferably as you go. Big datasets cost real money to keep online, especially when there are many of them. Data that isn't needed for current work isn't helpful and doesn't need to be online, but you may have to bring it back online in the future. People say that disk is cheap, and it is, until it has to be high performance, highly reliable, accessible 24x7 to large user bases for simultaneous use, backed up, secured, and managed. Various forms of hierarchical storage can help but don't eliminate the issues unless your budget is very robust or your data creation is low paced.
The International Research on Permanent Authentic Records in Electronic Systems (InterPARES) aims at developing the knowledge essential to the long-term preservation of authentic records created and/or maintained in digital form and providing the basis for standards, policies, strategies and plans of action capable of ensuring the longevity of such material and the ability of its users to trust its authenticity. The findings and products of the first three phases of the project can be found on this website.
One of the places that I've worked did various sorts of science / engineering type project work. Quarterly backups of filesystems were archived indefinitely. Even if the data was staying online, at the completion of every project an archive was made of the data on a minimum of two pieces of backup media along with various bits of metadata regarding the media and data. The archival copies were tested by restore and diffed before actually going into the archive. Of course they kept examples of the different tape drives, and sometime systems, around to use as needed for quite some time.
Having seen the ugliness of tape drives eating archive media I would be inclined to suggest at least 3 copies.
Although there has long been a connection between math and physics, as people dig further into the math they are finding some unexpected things, and ways to better understand, simplify, or extend the equations.
There are a number of seemingly promising developments out there that are sharpening the investigative tools as well as providing interesting new lines of investigation, as well as new data to chew on.
Then I suspect the people in the companies you work with aren't particularly observant or thoughtful.
Does Canada do signals intelligence and internet spying? Yes. In fact there was a scandalous revelation a few weeks ago about Canadian spying on Brazil. Does Britain do signals intelligence and internet spying? Yes. Does Australia do signals intelligence and internet spying? Yes. New Zealand? Yes. France? Yes. Sweden? Yes. Germany? Yes. Italy? Yes. Norway? Yes. Netherlands? Yes. Spain? Yes. Russia? Yes. China? Yes..... N
You are also incorrect when you refer to "unchecked spying without oversight," that certainly isn't true.
The simple fact is in the competitive business world, people will milk this for all that it is worth. They will do so both to persuade clients, and explain failure of sales. Most of the time it is likely there will be little truth to it.
Grippen won because it was inexpensive to buy and operate, a great, highly capable aircraft, and the business terms were friendly. It is as simple as that.
"Was that worth 4 billion dollars?" the source asked.
It's not vindication but rationalization. It is easier to blame the NSA than explain why your more expensive airplane lost out to investors. The Grippen is both less expensive to buy and operate, and very capable. It has been winning contracts for years both in Europe and around the world. A number of other countries are currently considering it as well.
Lets review the subject. (How quickly you forget.)
Then next time try to compete on the grounds of merit
If you bothered to read my link, you would see that like Boeing, Dassault Aviation competed on the merits, and lost. Saab competed on the merits and won. Not that tough. I'm certain someone of your intelligence could have arrived at that if you would have tried.
It's about time something like that happened. Now if only all European countries showed the same level of responsibility, maybe the USA would learn to treat their "friends" better.
Would that mean that European countries would stop spying on the US? Will they start living up to their agreed upon NATO treaty spending requirements for their own defense? I assume the answer to both is no.
I'm always fascinated when literally true factual statements* are marked as "trolls."
On Slashdot we are always told how much everyone values science, data, and evidence, and it appears to be true..... as long as only certain subjects are discussed from only certain viewpoints, or unless it is politically inconvenient.
I wonder how things turn out in the long run when you knowingly and willingly apply bad data, or incorrect theories, to govern decision making? Can it be good?
*Yes, he still has to be convicted, technically, but he has admitted to his actions.
The window for Snowden to perform his theft was closing. The site he worked was coming up for its install of updated security software that would have shut him down, at least according to the papers.
The NSAs actions were not so much inept as trusting of people that had been, or should have been, carefully screened and loyal. It turns out that both the contractor Snowden and the company contracted to do Snowden's background investigation were not completely trustworthy. The company is now being sued by the Federal government, and Snowden is facing charges after his theft and betrayal.
Just as bad is the fact that other system administrators reportedly noticed that Snowden was up to something unusual. Apparently it wasn't reported or really investigated. Snowden abused the trust of many people, and how he is in Russia.
The NSA has reportedly already changed their procedures, in addition to the security software they had already been implementing, to make this sort of thing much less likely.
Summing up your post regarding Snowden, it seems to reduce his theft of classified data to: "Nothing to see here, just move along."
Brazil is a sovereign country and they can cooperate with whoever the fuck they want. Wake up and smell the coffee. South America is no longer the United States' backyard.
You're right, Brazil is a grown up sovereign country. That means its military and government can be spied on by Russia, China, Western Europe, Canada, and the US, just like any other major country. Welcome to the big leagues, and don't whine to be treated just like everybody else.
Then next time try to compete on the grounds of merit, not by spying of your customers and competitors. Spend more money in research and less in espionage. Isn't that what "capitalism" is all about?
Well, if the US government is spying on behalf of US companies, those companies cannot be trusted.
It's violation of the free market forces and clearly illegal. Their bids are obviously invalid.
That is basically a strawman argument. Snowden hasn't provided any proof that the US engages in industrial espionage to directly benefit it's industry.
Show the US be embarrassed for helping to stop about 50 terrorist plots outside the US? Should it be embarrassed for helping to defense Western Europe from the Soviet Union? The NSA was involved in both of those.
otherwise what's next state-sponsored bribery, theft, sabotage of competitors, why not just invade a foreign country take all their gold?
Dassault, for its part, said it regrets Brazil's decision and called Saab's fighter an aircraft that was inferior to its Rafale jet.
"The Gripen is a lighter, single engine aircraft that does not match the Rafale in terms of performance and therefore does not carry the same price tag," it said.
Saab says the Gripen NG has the lowest logistical and operational costs of all fighters currently in service.
The simple fact is that Saab has a very competitive fighter that has won contracts in a number of countries, both in and out of Europe in the last few years, long before the NSA controversy. I think it is quite likely that they won completely on the merits but this is just a "twist of the knife" at an opportune time, but it has little reality. If you want to claim that it was really about the NSA instead of Saab being the low bidder with its fabulous Grippen, then you need to explain how Dassault lost too. Or is it French spying to blame? Why haven't we heard about that?
Brazil is continuing to do business with Russia aren't they? If you think that Brazil isn't crawling with Russian spies that are at least as aggressive as any the US has you are crazy. The Brazilians thought that the Russians warranted being spied up, just like they spied on the US.
The Brazilian government confirmed Monday that its intelligence service targeted U.S., Russian, Iranian and Iraqi diplomats and property during spy activities carried out about a decade ago in the capital Brasilia.
Swedish industry has many fine products. They won contracts before the NSA scandal, they will continue to win them after the scandal. The only difference is now various people will engage in demagoguery proclaiming that every win by Sweden over the US, even if the rest of Europe competed and lost, will be because of NSA. "See! See! NSA!"
Thank goodness this isn't a food blog. Every order for Swedish lingonberries, meatballs, or aquavit would be proclaimed a victory over NSA.
Well, keep working on those flaws since there apparently are a few that you haven't identified yet. One of them is reflected in the fact that you think you know exactly how I think based on very little evidence. I don't get the sense that humility is something that shapes much of your thinking. One of the things that life experience and perspective tend to lead to in most people, at least eventually, is some measure of humility.
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So without their violation of our rights terrorism would rank behind drug abuse [wikipedia.org] and we don't seem to care that much about drug abuse. Even if all 50 attacks happened this year and each one killed ~3000 people the body count would only be 150,000 and terrorism would come in at #2 between being a fat ass and being a smoker.
So you think there are no problematic aspects to comparing the results of willful, planned human action resulting in violence with events of random chance or personal choice leading to death or disease? Lets continue that line of thinking. Americans lost about $92 billion in gambling in 2007. In 2012, there were 3,870 bank robberies in which the robbers managed to steal $29.5 million, or $7,600 per robbery. Surely by your thinking that must make gambling a much larger problem. Therefore society should totally abandon enforcing laws against bank robbery until it has reduced gambling losses from $92 billion to something close to $29.5 million. Do you think bank robbery would remain static at that level if that were to occur?
Abandoning enforcement of bank robberies (as a proxy for terrorism) will have little effect on the level of gambling (as a proxy for disease or accidents), but will almost certainly result in increased incidence of bank robberies. Bank robbery is a problem that is being kept in check by enforcement - there are people sitting in jail for bank robbery, just as there are for terrorism. Increased enforcement and longer sentences have helped significantly reduce the level of bank robbery. Do you think you would make that much of a dent in gambling as long as it remains legal since it is both enjoyable and addictive as are drugs? The answer is no.
That fact that statistics exist for terrorism and heart attacks doesn't mean that any particular comparison is necessarily valid. Your comparison isn't a reasonable comparison from a public policy perspective, and doesn't account for the secondary affects from those choices. Your argument is largely nonsense.
Some types of work generate enormous amounts of data in relatively short periods. The only way to keep things under control is to generate the data and ruthlessly pare back whatever isn't needed, preferably as you go. Big datasets cost real money to keep online, especially when there are many of them. Data that isn't needed for current work isn't helpful and doesn't need to be online, but you may have to bring it back online in the future. People say that disk is cheap, and it is, until it has to be high performance, highly reliable, accessible 24x7 to large user bases for simultaneous use, backed up, secured, and managed. Various forms of hierarchical storage can help but don't eliminate the issues unless your budget is very robust or your data creation is low paced.
The InterPARES Project
The International Research on Permanent Authentic Records in Electronic Systems (InterPARES) aims at developing the knowledge essential to the long-term preservation of authentic records created and/or maintained in digital form and providing the basis for standards, policies, strategies and plans of action capable of ensuring the longevity of such material and the ability of its users to trust its authenticity. The findings and products of the first three phases of the project can be found on this website.
Out of mind, out of sight,gone forever
One of the places that I've worked did various sorts of science / engineering type project work. Quarterly backups of filesystems were archived indefinitely. Even if the data was staying online, at the completion of every project an archive was made of the data on a minimum of two pieces of backup media along with various bits of metadata regarding the media and data. The archival copies were tested by restore and diffed before actually going into the archive. Of course they kept examples of the different tape drives, and sometime systems, around to use as needed for quite some time.
Having seen the ugliness of tape drives eating archive media I would be inclined to suggest at least 3 copies.
Although there has long been a connection between math and physics, as people dig further into the math they are finding some unexpected things, and ways to better understand, simplify, or extend the equations.
Mathematicians Link Knot Theory to Physics
A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics
There are a number of seemingly promising developments out there that are sharpening the investigative tools as well as providing interesting new lines of investigation, as well as new data to chew on.
Spooky Connection: Wormholes and the Quantum World
Physicists Create Quantum Link Between Photons That Don't Exist at the Same Time
Schrodinger’s ‘Kitten’? Large-Scale Quantum Entanglement Achieved By Two Physics Labs
String theorists squeeze nine dimensions into three
New work gives credence to theory of universe as a hologram
Now we are developing a growing understanding of the interplay between biology and physics.
Quantum biology: Do weird physics effects abound in nature?
Who knows where things may lead next? Of course people should be careful in performing experiments.
Collapse of the universe is closer than ever before
Then I suspect the people in the companies you work with aren't particularly observant or thoughtful.
Does Canada do signals intelligence and internet spying? Yes. In fact there was a scandalous revelation a few weeks ago about Canadian spying on Brazil. Does Britain do signals intelligence and internet spying? Yes. Does Australia do signals intelligence and internet spying? Yes. New Zealand? Yes. France? Yes. Sweden? Yes. Germany? Yes. Italy? Yes. Norway? Yes. Netherlands? Yes. Spain? Yes. Russia? Yes. China? Yes. .... N
Canadian Police Arrest Man on Trying to Spy for China
Snowden documents show depth of Canadian spy agency amid ‘misinformation’ fears
You are also incorrect when you refer to "unchecked spying without oversight," that certainly isn't true.
The simple fact is in the competitive business world, people will milk this for all that it is worth. They will do so both to persuade clients, and explain failure of sales. Most of the time it is likely there will be little truth to it.
Grippen won because it was inexpensive to buy and operate, a great, highly capable aircraft, and the business terms were friendly. It is as simple as that.
Thank goodness there is no country named Kajil buying planes.
Vindication tastes like ashes in your mouth...
"Was that worth 4 billion dollars?" the source asked.
It's not vindication but rationalization. It is easier to blame the NSA than explain why your more expensive airplane lost out to investors. The Grippen is both less expensive to buy and operate, and very capable. It has been winning contracts for years both in Europe and around the world. A number of other countries are currently considering it as well.
What ... does this have to do with the subject?
Lets review the subject. (How quickly you forget.)
Then next time try to compete on the grounds of merit
If you bothered to read my link, you would see that like Boeing, Dassault Aviation competed on the merits, and lost. Saab competed on the merits and won. Not that tough. I'm certain someone of your intelligence could have arrived at that if you would have tried.
What the fuck ... ?
Between your ears.
It's about time something like that happened. Now if only all European countries showed the same level of responsibility, maybe the USA would learn to treat their "friends" better.
Would that mean that European countries would stop spying on the US? Will they start living up to their agreed upon NATO treaty spending requirements for their own defense? I assume the answer to both is no.
There is a Grippen variant designed for carrier use. Oddly enough it is called "Sea Grippen."
I'm always fascinated when literally true factual statements* are marked as "trolls."
On Slashdot we are always told how much everyone values science, data, and evidence, and it appears to be true ..... as long as only certain subjects are discussed from only certain viewpoints, or unless it is politically inconvenient.
I wonder how things turn out in the long run when you knowingly and willingly apply bad data, or incorrect theories, to govern decision making? Can it be good?
*Yes, he still has to be convicted, technically, but he has admitted to his actions.
It isn't a strawman, but a new argument.
The window for Snowden to perform his theft was closing. The site he worked was coming up for its install of updated security software that would have shut him down, at least according to the papers.
The NSAs actions were not so much inept as trusting of people that had been, or should have been, carefully screened and loyal. It turns out that both the contractor Snowden and the company contracted to do Snowden's background investigation were not completely trustworthy. The company is now being sued by the Federal government, and Snowden is facing charges after his theft and betrayal.
Just as bad is the fact that other system administrators reportedly noticed that Snowden was up to something unusual. Apparently it wasn't reported or really investigated. Snowden abused the trust of many people, and how he is in Russia.
The NSA has reportedly already changed their procedures, in addition to the security software they had already been implementing, to make this sort of thing much less likely.
Summing up your post regarding Snowden, it seems to reduce his theft of classified data to: "Nothing to see here, just move along."
Are you advocating that Snowden do something to violate the law?
He has already broken the law, many times. What he is offering to do with Brazil would just add to the list.
At least it will have Europe to break the fall.
Brazil is a sovereign country and they can cooperate with whoever the fuck they want. Wake up and smell the coffee. South America is no longer the United States' backyard.
You're right, Brazil is a grown up sovereign country. That means its military and government can be spied on by Russia, China, Western Europe, Canada, and the US, just like any other major country. Welcome to the big leagues, and don't whine to be treated just like everybody else.
Then next time try to compete on the grounds of merit, not by spying of your customers and competitors. Spend more money in research and less in espionage. Isn't that what "capitalism" is all about?
Tell it to the French.
Dassault Aviation shares fall after Brazil snubs rafale jet
Well, if the US government is spying on behalf of US companies, those companies cannot be trusted.
It's violation of the free market forces and clearly illegal. Their bids are obviously invalid.
That is basically a strawman argument. Snowden hasn't provided any proof that the US engages in industrial espionage to directly benefit it's industry.
Show the US be embarrassed for helping to stop about 50 terrorist plots outside the US? Should it be embarrassed for helping to defense Western Europe from the Soviet Union? The NSA was involved in both of those.
otherwise what's next state-sponsored bribery, theft, sabotage of competitors, why not just invade a foreign country take all their gold?
Well, no appeal to emotions there.
Yup, and as a consequence, Boeing just lost a 5 billion Dollar Brazillian aircraft order to the Swede SAAB.
That damned NSA, always costing Western Europe, costing the French business! Was it spying? Or just a business decision to go with the LOW BIDDER?
UPDATE 3-Saab wins Brazil jet deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
Dassault, for its part, said it regrets Brazil's decision and called Saab's fighter an aircraft that was inferior to its Rafale jet.
"The Gripen is a lighter, single engine aircraft that does not match the Rafale in terms of performance and therefore does not carry the same price tag," it said.
Saab says the Gripen NG has the lowest logistical and operational costs of all fighters currently in service.
France soothes nerves over Dassault jets after Brazil setback
Dassault Aviation shares fall after Brazil snubs rafale jet
The simple fact is that Saab has a very competitive fighter that has won contracts in a number of countries, both in and out of Europe in the last few years, long before the NSA controversy. I think it is quite likely that they won completely on the merits but this is just a "twist of the knife" at an opportune time, but it has little reality. If you want to claim that it was really about the NSA instead of Saab being the low bidder with its fabulous Grippen, then you need to explain how Dassault lost too. Or is it French spying to blame? Why haven't we heard about that?
Brazil is continuing to do business with Russia aren't they? If you think that Brazil isn't crawling with Russian spies that are at least as aggressive as any the US has you are crazy. The Brazilians thought that the Russians warranted being spied up, just like they spied on the US.
Report: Brazil spied on property, personnel from US, Russian, Iranian embassies
The Brazilian government confirmed Monday that its intelligence service targeted U.S., Russian, Iranian and Iraqi diplomats and property during spy activities carried out about a decade ago in the capital Brasilia.
Swedish industry has many fine products. They won contracts before the NSA scandal, they will continue to win them after the scandal. The only difference is now various people will engage in demagoguery proclaiming that every win by Sweden over the US, even if the rest of Europe competed and lost, will be because of NSA. "See! See! NSA!"
Thank goodness this isn't a food blog. Every order for Swedish lingonberries, meatballs, or aquavit would be proclaimed a victory over NSA.
I was hoping that it wasn't hell, and that we weren't going to be here for eternity. Are you suggesting that I'm wrong?
In other words, you didn't bother to read it, didn't understand it, or you're trolling.
QED.
Thanks, that was a fine example of what I was speaking about. You are almost into the realm of self-parody.
Cheers.
Well, keep working on those flaws since there apparently are a few that you haven't identified yet. One of them is reflected in the fact that you think you know exactly how I think based on very little evidence. I don't get the sense that humility is something that shapes much of your thinking. One of the things that life experience and perspective tend to lead to in most people, at least eventually, is some measure of humility.
It should really be:
you're all under arrest for inappropriate police action and fraud.
The appropriate thing would be to file a complaint with the police department, file a lawsuit, or both.
The police, as part of the government, have a legal monopoly on the use of force. You aren't likely to win against that, but you could win in court.