The Black Widows are what Russian journalists call female Islamist suicide bombers who have participated in more than 30 attacks that have killed about 900 people in Russia since July 2001, when Khava Barayeva and Luisa Magomadova rammed their explosives packed truck into a Russian military headquarters building in the Chechen village of Alkhan Yurt. . ..
. . . the Beslan school massacre, a three-day hostage-taking at a school in North Ossetia in 2004 that left 334 hostages dead, 186 of them children. . .
. . . 19 Black Widows wrapped in black mourning clothes and suicide vests accompanied about 20 Chechen men as they seized more than 900 hostages at Moscow’s Dubrovka Theatre. . .
Your frothing at the mouth seems to have spilled onto your keyboard and an appropriate time. The site you complain about links to the original stories in the media that carried them. (Those would be the links that say: "Read the full article here:") You are free to follow the link to the original story and see what it says. Try it - it might save you another episode.
Try stopping by a Walmart or a major sporting goods store (such as Bass Pro Shop - there are a couple in greater Chicagoland ) and check their inventory of.22 long rifle,.223, and maybe a few other random popular calibers. If they have any, ask them how long it lasts. Although it is possible that things are slowing down, and maybe things are different in your area, you might very well see mostly empty shelves and/or allocations of 1 box per customer per day. Over the last several months it has been pretty common for on-line ammunition retailers to have an entire shipment of popular ammunition sell out within minutes to hours. A big part of the problem is like Yogi Berra's lament: "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." Nobody can buy ammunition anymore because everybody is buying it.
Police are trained to "shoot to stop", not "shoot to kill."
Law enforcement, however, generally dislikes the term “shoot to kill,” insisting it’s technically inaccurate even though many officers acknowledge it also would be inaccurate to say they try to “shoot to wound.” Instead, departments use various renditions of this phrase: shooting “until the threat ends or stops.” . ..
. . . in a recent email Spokane Police Sgt. Dave McCabe offers a good explanation of what he and others see as a distinguishable difference between shoot-to-kill and shoot-to-stop the threat: “The suspect does not have to be dead to no longer be a threat,” McCabe wrote -- “Shoot to kill” vs. shoot to stop threat
Which is why, in the final analysis, stripping away people's rights and liberties will do exactly dick for prevention
3a. You responded to a troll suggesting that rights be taken away. 3b. You articulate so many ideas with fine phraseology, and then invoke "dick." Kind of a waste.
That's why people cry out for restrictions... not because they'll do any good, but because they feel a need to do something, anything, to restore their sense of personal power.
The problem with these type of technologies is that even if they're 99% effective, that still means they're useless.
No, it just means they need to do one of two things: use additional techniques to sift the first cut data, or expend massive amounts of time and manpower.
But I can tell you right now, there won't be any news stories of the dozens to hundreds detained, questioned, and humiliated by simply matching an arbitrary profile -- because in both the media's eyes and the general public, that would be flinging mud on a "hero".
That's nonsense. Practically any big investigation involves hundreds, thousands, or even more interviews and massive numbers of tips. reports, and clues. You only have to look at stories covering the 9/11 attacks, Unabomber, Oklahoma City, Anthrax mailings and plenty of others and they all involve massive investigations trying to match a partial description, a fragment of data. The reporting also reflects that. Maybe not while the investigation is ongoing and the information needs to be protected, but in time, or when it is over.
I also very much doubt a profile is "arbitrary." From what I know that seems to be the very opposite of what goes on. It may be wrong, but it certainly isn't arbitrary.
Humiliated, eh? Interesting theme....
I'm all for investigation into these technologies... but none of them are mature enough yet to be used in criminal investigations responsibly.
I can't help wondering if your actual view is that you can't investigate this sort of crime responsibly at all since it might turn up a politically incorrect suspect.
No, they aren't far right wing. And if you can't tell the difference between the neo-Nazi Stormfront and the Daily Beast, you need a depot level recalibration of your political sensibilities - something is fundamentally broken, malfunctioning, or miscalibrated. I understand from the far left the distance between them may seem to vanish, but it is a trick ofperspective, they aren't even close... at all.
I'll get you started: In lieu of anything else, think of the difference between the Greens and Pol Pot's regime and apply. (And I think this is a generous narrowing of the difference.)
One other thing you might keep in mind: In American politics, the right did something the left has never been willing to do - drive out the dangerous fringe. Actual Nazis and neo-Nazis (including Stormfront), generally fringe nut cases in the United States in the last 75 years*, have not been, and are not part of the right in America. They are an offshoot of progressive & socialist politics. (Hence the Socialist in National Socialist.) Who Is 'Fascist'?
You might benefit from occasionally indulging in material from a viewpoint that challenges your views from a center-right perspective, and no, that doesn't include EDL or Stormfront. Since you comment regularly on American politics, some examples might include: National Review, The Weekly Standard, Commentary. You might try some reading on the first link in the previous post as well.
*Overlooking the regrettable and long gone German American Bund organization that had a hold in the German-American immigrant community for a time.
You could have done something useful like provide a link yourself, as it is trivially easy information to find, or a counter-point. Instead you go, predictably, to the smear. It would be great if you would make a positive contribution.
The vicious bite of a 2% interest rate strikes again.
. . . "In a nutshell, everything we got from America in World War II was free," says economic historian Professor Mark Harrison, of Warwick University.
"The loan was really to help Britain through the consequences of post-war adjustment, rather than the war itself. This position was different from World War I, where money was lent for the war effort itself." . . .
. . . the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.
But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it. . . .
But the terms of the loan were extremely generous, with a fixed interest rate of 2% making it considerably less terrifying than a typical mortgage. . . . -- What's a little debt between friends?
With all due respect to the victims and their families and friends - this isn't world news. In quite a few parts of the world, not just Iraq and Afghanistan, that's a small note somewhere on page 5 of the local newspaper.
It seems the world disagrees with you. This are all page one stories at sites that span the world.
So it's not news-worthy for the body count and not for the fact that there was a bomb or two.
Actually it is newsworthy, for both reasons. Mass casualty events tend to be that way. Last I heard the number of bombs was 5-7.
And, most importantly and most disgustingly, we are still thinking in tribal norms. Our own dead and wounded are more important than the foreign ones.
Every family looks after its own first, as does every country. But as to tribes - there aren't really any tribes in the West anymore, none that function anyway. (Were the last the Scotts?) You might try that line of thinking on people from parts of the world that actually do have functioning tribes, such as the Middle East, or Africa. Your disgust will probably be taken as evidence of being crazy. It wouldn't even be a question to them - of course you look after the tribe first, it is a matter of survival. If you can convince the Arabs that making peace with the Jews is preferable to killing them, you might have a chance a reducing tribalism, but I doubt you can eliminate it.
$10 says this was militant tea baggers. They all post so much crazy shit about killing people on facebook and eventually one of them snaps and acts on it.
Don‘t you mean £10? It’s hard to believe any American would be so clueless about the Tea Party.
If you are looking for bomb makers among political activists in the United States, here is a hint or two on where to look.
In case you haven't noticed, there's now many sites with live video coverage that suck waaaaay more bandwidth and server power than this little mostly text based site.
So, they probably haven't even finished picking up the body parts and you are already declaring there is nothing to do, we may have already done too much? I don't suppose there is even a sliver of thought in your mind that it might be a little early to declare defeat and despair before the bodies have even cooled? How about that quait old custom of finishing picking up the bodies and then have . . . what did they call it. . ..oh yes, an investigation?
I'm certainly open to the possibility that an investigation might actually find some measures to take that even Eisenhower might approve of. Or do you believe that American government and its security policy is now at the height of perfection and eliminates any poor choice, practice, or bad policy that might be improved upon?
Actually, I was reading about it at google news just a few minutes ago, and slashdot tends to be a bit late to the party in reporting stories like this.. . . So/. shouldn't bother.
I think something slipped past you. Strictly speaking, Slashdot isn't a news reporting site, it is a news aggregator and discussion site (although that generally works better if the news isn't stale as in weeks or years old). That is the point of the forums with each story, and posting - to discuss the news. Or are your posts completely random? (Topic? I don't need no stinking topic! I want to discuss chocolate sundaes! (That should really be hot grits.))
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time...
Strike two. Oklahoma City is constantly dragged out in discussions and policy debates, especially to denegrate the political right and Christians despite the fact that McVeigh was an atheist on his own tangent. On the other hand, the Obama administration has been actively suppressing use of phrases by the government such as "War on Terror" and Jihadi.
By the way - it would be great if you would just spell foreigner as foreigner. That sort of feigned misspelling makes for tedious commentary.
They may not get the same treatment if found guilty - some could get the death penalty.
B) illegally bug their interrogation rooms, snoop confidential files, and hamper the defense at all opportunities, and hold the hearings before a non-impartial military tribunal?
Good grief - you really believe that BS? I'll sort it out for you. Bugging the rooms would have been done by the intelligence agencies with no feedback to the prosecution unless it was in reaction to things like this. The "snooping" probably happened as described - no doubt the systems were built and manned by the lowest bidder. It is the defense that has been hampering the movement of the cases with all manner of legal challenges, fighting tooth and nail on behalf of their clients. (Of course they did manage to secure a new Supreme Court precedent that will come back to bite the US in the ass - POWs can challenge their status in Federal Court. WW2 anyone? ) It isn't that the military tribunal isn't impartial, but when you are killing thousands of people with bombs and planes, you might be on weak ground.
C) Tell the sysadmins to stop searching those files and tell the defense to stop using government computer systems, as they're leaking privileged information to the prosecution.
If you don't want the case thrown out of court and face charges and disbarment you do "C". Anything else is idiocy, including the other options you listed.
If another country treated an American citizen like this, it would be regarded as a hostage crisis.
They aren't hostages - you missed that completely. I'll give you a hint.
They are Prisoners of ___.
Three letters, starts with a "W". Any guesses?
The Law of ___ (see above) allows prisoners to be held until the end of the conflict - no requirement for charges or trials at all.
John McCain was held as a Prisoner of ___ for 5.5 years by North Vietnam.
I think it is an interesting comment on your thought process that you might consider Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, plotter of 9/11 attacks that killed 3,000 people and currently a Prisoner of ___, as a "hostage".
By the way, this is legally equivalent to a Declaration of War.
Slashdot Mirror
The Black Widows have been very active in Russia, including the evil Beslan incident.
The avenging Black Widows
The Black Widows are what Russian journalists call female Islamist suicide bombers who have participated in more than 30 attacks that have killed about 900 people in Russia since July 2001, when Khava Barayeva and Luisa Magomadova rammed their explosives packed truck into a Russian military headquarters building in the Chechen village of Alkhan Yurt. . . .
. . . the Beslan school massacre, a three-day hostage-taking at a school in North Ossetia in 2004 that left 334 hostages dead, 186 of them children. . .
. . . 19 Black Widows wrapped in black mourning clothes and suicide vests accompanied about 20 Chechen men as they seized more than 900 hostages at Moscow’s Dubrovka Theatre. . .
Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
Your frothing at the mouth seems to have spilled onto your keyboard and an appropriate time. The site you complain about links to the original stories in the media that carried them. (Those would be the links that say: "Read the full article here:") You are free to follow the link to the original story and see what it says. Try it - it might save you another episode.
There are more permutations than you note. Lose-Win is one of them, and a likely outcome at that.
Try stopping by a Walmart or a major sporting goods store (such as Bass Pro Shop - there are a couple in greater Chicagoland ) and check their inventory of .22 long rifle, .223, and maybe a few other random popular calibers. If they have any, ask them how long it lasts. Although it is possible that things are slowing down, and maybe things are different in your area, you might very well see mostly empty shelves and/or allocations of 1 box per customer per day. Over the last several months it has been pretty common for on-line ammunition retailers to have an entire shipment of popular ammunition sell out within minutes to hours. A big part of the problem is like Yogi Berra's lament: "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." Nobody can buy ammunition anymore because everybody is buying it.
Yeah, so they can pick up a spare gun after one ambushes you, like happened in Santa Cruz not long ago.
So if he has a concealed carry permit, how will they know to ambush him? Are they psychic?
If they are already shooting the area up, they aren't ambushing him and he has a weapon to protect himself.
Stuff happens: 80 Year Old Michigan Homeowner Fights Off FIVE Armed Robbery Suspects Using Handgun
How do they know they killed the right guy?
If they are shooting at you or throwing bombs at you, that is a pretty strong hint. A suicide bomb vest pretty much cements the deal.
Seven mistakes that cost De Menezes his life
Police are trained to "shoot to stop", not "shoot to kill."
Law enforcement, however, generally dislikes the term “shoot to kill,” insisting it’s technically inaccurate even though many officers acknowledge it also would be inaccurate to say they try to “shoot to wound.” Instead, departments use various renditions of this phrase: shooting “until the threat ends or stops.” . . .
. . . in a recent email Spokane Police Sgt. Dave McCabe offers a good explanation of what he and others see as a distinguishable difference between shoot-to-kill and shoot-to-stop the threat: “The suspect does not have to be dead to no longer be a threat,” McCabe wrote -- “Shoot to kill” vs. shoot to stop threat
1. You responded to a troll with a long post.
It's a little known fact that an investigation of serial murderers has revealed that there isn't a single common motivation amongst them,
2. I find this link to be informative: Serial Murder - Multi-Disciplinary Perspective for Invesigators
Which is why, in the final analysis, stripping away people's rights and liberties will do exactly dick for prevention
3a. You responded to a troll suggesting that rights be taken away.
3b. You articulate so many ideas with fine phraseology, and then invoke "dick." Kind of a waste.
That's why people cry out for restrictions... not because they'll do any good, but because they feel a need to do something, anything, to restore their sense of personal power.
4. That is contradictory.
.
The problem with these type of technologies is that even if they're 99% effective, that still means they're useless.
No, it just means they need to do one of two things: use additional techniques to sift the first cut data, or expend massive amounts of time and manpower.
But I can tell you right now, there won't be any news stories of the dozens to hundreds detained, questioned, and humiliated by simply matching an arbitrary profile -- because in both the media's eyes and the general public, that would be flinging mud on a "hero".
That's nonsense. Practically any big investigation involves hundreds, thousands, or even more interviews and massive numbers of tips. reports, and clues. You only have to look at stories covering the 9/11 attacks, Unabomber, Oklahoma City, Anthrax mailings and plenty of others and they all involve massive investigations trying to match a partial description, a fragment of data. The reporting also reflects that. Maybe not while the investigation is ongoing and the information needs to be protected, but in time, or when it is over.
I also very much doubt a profile is "arbitrary." From what I know that seems to be the very opposite of what goes on. It may be wrong, but it certainly isn't arbitrary.
Humiliated, eh? Interesting theme....
I'm all for investigation into these technologies... but none of them are mature enough yet to be used in criminal investigations responsibly.
I can't help wondering if your actual view is that you can't investigate this sort of crime responsibly at all since it might turn up a politically incorrect suspect.
No, they aren't far right wing. And if you can't tell the difference between the neo-Nazi Stormfront and the Daily Beast, you need a depot level recalibration of your political sensibilities - something is fundamentally broken, malfunctioning, or miscalibrated. I understand from the far left the distance between them may seem to vanish, but it is a trick of perspective, they aren't even close... at all.
I'll get you started: In lieu of anything else, think of the difference between the Greens and Pol Pot's regime and apply. (And I think this is a generous narrowing of the difference.)
One other thing you might keep in mind: In American politics, the right did something the left has never been willing to do - drive out the dangerous fringe. Actual Nazis and neo-Nazis (including Stormfront), generally fringe nut cases in the United States in the last 75 years*, have not been, and are not part of the right in America. They are an offshoot of progressive & socialist politics. (Hence the Socialist in National Socialist.) Who Is 'Fascist'?
You might benefit from occasionally indulging in material from a viewpoint that challenges your views from a center-right perspective, and no, that doesn't include EDL or Stormfront. Since you comment regularly on American politics, some examples might include: National Review, The Weekly Standard, Commentary. You might try some reading on the first link in the previous post as well.
*Overlooking the regrettable and long gone German American Bund organization that had a hold in the German-American immigrant community for a time.
Any links to stormfront you want to share?
You could have done something useful like provide a link yourself, as it is trivially easy information to find, or a counter-point. Instead you go, predictably, to the smear. It would be great if you would make a positive contribution.
Al Qaeda magazine on pressure cookers: ‘Make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom’
Boston Marathon bombs: al-Qaeda's Inspire magazine taught pressure cooker bomb-making techniques
The vicious bite of a 2% interest rate strikes again.
. . . "In a nutshell, everything we got from America in World War II was free," says economic historian Professor Mark Harrison, of Warwick University.
"The loan was really to help Britain through the consequences of post-war adjustment, rather than the war itself. This position was different from World War I, where money was lent for the war effort itself." . . .
. . . the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.
But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it. . . .
But the terms of the loan were extremely generous, with a fixed interest rate of 2% making it considerably less terrifying than a typical mortgage. . . . -- What's a little debt between friends?
Definitely good eating, but I've got to go with no nuts. There are too many here already.
Try a hot fudge shake/malt if you haven't.
With all due respect to the victims and their families and friends - this isn't world news. In quite a few parts of the world, not just Iraq and Afghanistan, that's a small note somewhere on page 5 of the local newspaper.
It seems the world disagrees with you. This are all page one stories at sites that span the world.
Germany - USA: Explosionen beim Boston-Marathon - drei Tote, hundert Verletzte
Russia , (Act of terrorism committed in the U.S., numerous victims reported
Australia - US on alert after blasts shatter Boston Marathon killing 3, wounding 140
India - Boston Marathon bombing kills 3, injures over 130
Argentina - Bombs kill 3 people, wound more than 100 at Boston Marathon
United Arab Emirates - Boston Marathon: 3 killed, more than 140 injured as 2 bombs explode near finish line
South Africa - Boston terror attack: Three killed, 100 injured
Japan - 3 dead, more than 110 hurt after two bombs explode near Boston Marathon finish line
So it's not news-worthy for the body count and not for the fact that there was a bomb or two.
Actually it is newsworthy, for both reasons. Mass casualty events tend to be that way. Last I heard the number of bombs was 5-7.
And, most importantly and most disgustingly, we are still thinking in tribal norms. Our own dead and wounded are more important than the foreign ones.
Every family looks after its own first, as does every country. But as to tribes - there aren't really any tribes in the West anymore, none that function anyway. (Were the last the Scotts?) You might try that line of thinking on people from parts of the world that actually do have functioning tribes, such as the Middle East, or Africa. Your disgust will probably be taken as evidence of being crazy. It wouldn't even be a question to them - of course you look after the tribe first, it is a matter of survival. If you can convince the Arabs that making peace with the Jews is preferable to killing them, you might have a chance a reducing tribalism, but I doubt you can eliminate it.
$10 says this was militant tea baggers. They all post so much crazy shit about killing people on facebook and eventually one of them snaps and acts on it.
Don‘t you mean £10? It’s hard to believe any American would be so clueless about the Tea Party.
If you are looking for bomb makers among political activists in the United States, here is a hint or two on where to look.
In case you haven't noticed, there's now many sites with live video coverage that suck waaaaay more bandwidth and server power than this little mostly text based site.
Which is why it is so resilient and scales well.
A war on decrepit infrastructure would probably be a good thing.
That was supposed to be the stimulus plan "shovel-ready projects." Whatever happened to that?
You have such useful insights. Don't ever change.
But it's only brown people, right?
Race baiting never gets old, does it?
So, they probably haven't even finished picking up the body parts and you are already declaring there is nothing to do, we may have already done too much? I don't suppose there is even a sliver of thought in your mind that it might be a little early to declare defeat and despair before the bodies have even cooled? How about that quait old custom of finishing picking up the bodies and then have . . . what did they call it. . . .oh yes, an investigation?
I'm certainly open to the possibility that an investigation might actually find some measures to take that even Eisenhower might approve of. Or do you believe that American government and its security policy is now at the height of perfection and eliminates any poor choice, practice, or bad policy that might be improved upon?
Actually, I was reading about it at google news just a few minutes ago, and slashdot tends to be a bit late to the party in reporting stories like this.. . . So /. shouldn't bother.
I think something slipped past you. Strictly speaking, Slashdot isn't a news reporting site, it is a news aggregator and discussion site (although that generally works better if the news isn't stale as in weeks or years old). That is the point of the forums with each story, and posting - to discuss the news. Or are your posts completely random? (Topic? I don't need no stinking topic! I want to discuss chocolate sundaes! (That should really be hot grits.))
OT prediction: If it turns out that the act was committed by an American nutjob, as with the Oklahoma City bombing the media and political system will quickly forget about it. If it turns out that it was done by a "furriner", we'll hear lots about those awful "terrists" for some time...
Strike two. Oklahoma City is constantly dragged out in discussions and policy debates, especially to denegrate the political right and Christians despite the fact that McVeigh was an atheist on his own tangent. On the other hand, the Obama administration has been actively suppressing use of phrases by the government such as "War on Terror" and Jihadi.
By the way - it would be great if you would just spell foreigner as foreigner. That sort of feigned misspelling makes for tedious commentary.
They may not get the same treatment if found guilty - some could get the death penalty.
B) illegally bug their interrogation rooms, snoop confidential files, and hamper the defense at all opportunities, and hold the hearings before a non-impartial military tribunal?
Good grief - you really believe that BS? I'll sort it out for you. Bugging the rooms would have been done by the intelligence agencies with no feedback to the prosecution unless it was in reaction to things like this. The "snooping" probably happened as described - no doubt the systems were built and manned by the lowest bidder. It is the defense that has been hampering the movement of the cases with all manner of legal challenges, fighting tooth and nail on behalf of their clients. (Of course they did manage to secure a new Supreme Court precedent that will come back to bite the US in the ass - POWs can challenge their status in Federal Court. WW2 anyone? ) It isn't that the military tribunal isn't impartial, but when you are killing thousands of people with bombs and planes, you might be on weak ground.
C) Tell the sysadmins to stop searching those files and tell the defense to stop using government computer systems, as they're leaking privileged information to the prosecution.
If you don't want the case thrown out of court and face charges and disbarment you do "C". Anything else is idiocy, including the other options you listed.
If another country treated an American citizen like this, it would be regarded as a hostage crisis.
They aren't hostages - you missed that completely. I'll give you a hint.
They are Prisoners of ___.
Three letters, starts with a "W". Any guesses?
The Law of ___ (see above) allows prisoners to be held until the end of the conflict - no requirement for charges or trials at all.
John McCain was held as a Prisoner of ___ for 5.5 years by North Vietnam.
I think it is an interesting comment on your thought process that you might consider Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, plotter of 9/11 attacks that killed 3,000 people and currently a Prisoner of ___, as a "hostage".
By the way, this is legally equivalent to a Declaration of War.