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One Boston Marathon Bomb Suspect Dead, Other At Large After Shootout With Police
theodp writes "During the night, The Tech broke news that gunshots were reported at MIT near 32 Vassar Street (the Ray and Maria Stata Center for Computer, Information, and Intelligence Sciences), and one officer was shot and taken to Mass General Hospital. MIT's Emergency Information page also reports that injuries have been reported. Sadly, CNN is now reporting that the university police officer has died. Look for updates on Twitter."
The two suspects identified earlier as being behind the Boston Marathon bombings are believed to be responsible for this. They were found by police. One suspect, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed in a shootout. The other suspect, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is still being pursued. The Associated Press reports that the two are believed to be from the Russian region near Chechnya. During the firefight, the suspects threw explosive devices at police. Public transit in Boston has been shut down, and hundreds of thousands of people have been asked to not leave their homes. Here are live feed for local TV news and emergency services audio. Police have been warned that the remaining suspect may have a suicide vest.
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
This just getting worse and worse!
Will also plant bombs for passport apparently. Tamerlan Tsarnaev seeks US Passport for "Olympics"
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
It looks like, from what I can gather from online media etc., that they were carrying explosives to plant around MIT. And it was campus security that first become suspicious. If this is the case, then thoughts are with the campus security officer that gave his life - a lot of students are probably a lot better off because of his bravery. Thoughts are with everyone in boston and hope this is over soon.
http://t.co/0A3Mjmshkz
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https://twitter.com/AKitz/status/325121071479156736/photo/1
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https://twitter.com/akitz = andrew kitzenberg's twitter site
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supposedly, backpacks on Laurel Street where a police shoot-out occured. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3664323&cid=43490229
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice:
"The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Dark skinned. He must be guilty. Basically 4chan, like anonymous, is simply a bastion of the socially immature taking vigilante justice into their own hands. Stoke the fire of society's fears and then claim innocence when someone acts on their "information".
I mean, completely closed until they hunt down suspect #2. I guess they're worried that he'll emerge from his hiding place (somewhere in Watertown, a close suburb) and carjack someone and start throwing explosives in random neighborhoods, which is pretty much what he already did.
Police did what they could to take them alive, since a dead person doesn't talk much. In that kind of situation, couldn't they use some kind of anaesthetic bullets? Sure, many people prefer them dead, but taking them alive is a way to collect more relevant information.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
tunein
Incompetent. You had one job, and you fucked that up!
I don't mean to be disrespectful to the victims of the bombings in Boston, or to those students in Cambridge, Mass. USA. who are terrified right now, but ...
Does this story really have a place on Slashdot?
You can read more about it on practically every major news site, and it is live on all news-oriented TV channels all over the world. It does not need to be on the tech sites too.
If you already are anxious, you don't need to be bombarded with more news that make you even more terrified. You need a place to relax, to help you concentrate on other matters.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
there are military at nearly every marathon with backpacks.
especially the big ones
they hike the course alongside the runners.
i've run 8 marathons (including this years boston marathon) and at 6 of them there were various military hikers. they are always very supportive of the runners and vice versa
this has nothing to do with the bombings.
I really do. Even though i have little love for police my condolences to the family of tue officer. However, to feed the conspiracy folks, it does seem convienent that one is dead already. Shades of Jack Ruby?
Silence is a state of mime.
Play by play......really slashdot? Give us a good post-op synopsis, don't fuel the speculation fire.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
"The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Yesterday on my facebook news feed I saw no less than three fake images that could have been mean pranks. And I didn't even see the one listed above. So now all the "crowd sourced" news folks are going to remove images of this man and this woman and this guy. The reason I didn't propagate these things was that they could have been anybody! You could play a mean prank on a friend/enemy if you have a picture of him with a backpack.
Also there are many fake first hand accounts but also some real first hand accounts in crowdsourced news. Ignore the former and herald the latter. People will think you're doing god's work simply because they didn't watch the shitfest that is crowdsourced news in the moments of pure confusion immediately following the event. The signal to noise ratio, the added noise, the fact that people can start leads anonymously, it all reeks of a really bad, lawless, unaccountable lynch mob.
So now post hoc you scrub out all those false leads and you clean up all the things you were wrong about. Then when that's done you point out the few leads you were right about. Then you go on and on at length about how 4chan and reddit are the new real sources of journalism. The mainstream press is busted to all hell (do not confuse this with a free pass or defense for them) but they know they'll be held accountable and the New York Post's gamble should really turn into a slander/libel suit with damages paid out to that young man. NYP made money off those 'exclusive' images at the expense of a person's safety and that should be a civil suit that should expose the NYP for what it really is: a piece of shit rag no better than a tabloid version of "crowd-sourced" news.
Who was it that initially fingered Salah Eddin Barhoum? You don't know and no one ever will because there is no integrity with how that lead was developed.
My work here is dung.
Of course not, that's not noteworthy to the MSM, which doesn't cover crazy people news.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
The New York Times is reporting that the two suspects attempted to light a bomb while engaging in gun-fire with the police during a standoff outside of the Watertown, MA, house of Andrew Kitzenberg. Andy Kitzenberg has been live tweeting images of the police activity, shootout, and bomb explosions, and a bullet going through his wall and his armchair on twitter as linked above.
One of the brothers went to Cambridge Rindge and Latin, one of the oldest high schools in the USA.
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You know what they will use this anecdote to justify: more cameras with better resolution that are always on. Think 'Eye of Sauron'.
Don't forget the IRA and their fundraisers in various US cities, including Boston.
I've been pointing this out back hours ago... crickets.
Why do you bother to maintain an ID here, they must hate you. The question you ask is valid, I ask how many slashdot douchebags currently go to MIT and knew these animals. More than one I would bet money on.
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and, i fully expect to be modded down for this: if we allow ourselves to be terrorized, the point of the action was successful. Locking down the entire city, ordering businesses closed, and shutting down the mass transit system is the very definition of "successful terrorist attack." No amount of national anthem sing-song is going to somehow magically avoid this fact.
Good people go to bed earlier.
You guessed right, sucks when bigots feel validated through confirmation bias. You were wrong about the Norway attacks though, I remember what you posted in that thread. So, one right, one wrong, you're about as good as a flipped coin.
Tell that to the IR-fucking-A.
Whenever one of you idiots wander in here and complain that its not "News for nerds" you always seem to forget the "Stuff that matters" part.
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
clearly you don't know how conspiracy theories work.
the fact that they weren't wearing illuminati sigils proves that it was the stone masons pretending to be illuminati to hide the fact that there were martians disguised as humans running in the marathon.
"bigots feel validated"
Go fuck yourself, it's Chechen teabaggers and NRA members.
So what do you call them now, Americans, are these Chechen guys "terrorists" or "freedom fighters"?
They are Islamist, that much certain, so why are they bombing USA, after all USA was probably more on the side of Chechens in their search for independence from Russia (this is of-course about oil, there is oil in Chechnya).
However it is my personal guess that these guys wanted to bring some terror to USA as an asymmetric response to USA being in the Middle East, Afghanistan most likely. What is interesting is that the two brothers (Johar is the younger one) lived in USA as refugees since 2000-2001. What else could be their motivation if not a newly discovered sympathy towards their 'brothers in religion' somewhere in the Afghan mountains, being attacked by the US empire?
I think this is an example of how exactly the war on Terror will backfire just like the war on drugs did with more violence and more drugs.
War on terror creates more terrorists that were just kids just a few years ago. War on drugs creates more drug related violence.
There is an old idea that violence begets violence, I think it's very much true.
You can't handle the truth.
I was going with Octo-mom, myself.
On a serious note, And "this sort of attack, aimed at killing and injuring indiscriminately is the hallmark of ALL TERRORISTS". FTFY.
Refer to Irish Troubles, Tamil Tigers, Shining Path, etc.
Pretty much the only terrorist groups I can think of that avoid civilian casualties are the anti-corporate flavor (Weather Underground).
I know...mod me down as an anti-gun nut. But at least try to make the connection.
The advantage of crowdsourcing is that you get a shit-ton of information quickly, and it gets disseminated just as quickly. Everybody with a cell phone and a social media account has had this stuff in front of them since the bombing. It's great because it happens so fast, and millions of people being on alert can make for a quicker break in the case. It also has the downside of putting up a lot of false positives.
The NRA's stance is that if everyone had a gun, criminals would know not to so bad stuff and if they did there would be someone right there to stop them. It's basically crowd sourcing police/law enforcement work. Yes, there are now lots more people who can intervene with a criminal who is armed and dangerous. Just as everyone with a cell phone can photograph a scene and post the pictures on line for the world to peruse and instantly identify criminals.
Thing is, the more people who are involved, the higher the likelihood of a false positive. In the case of photos and social media, the mis-identified have a reason to be concerned short term, but once the media self-corrects and the correct criminals are identified their lives will slowly get back to normal. When guns are involved, a mis-identified person or bystander doesn't get a new life when the actual criminal is killed. The "oops" is permanent.
If you don't think there isn't the equivalent of 4chan in the vigilante world, you're sorely mistaken. It's part of the human condition to jump to conclusions based on limited evidence and not everyone will have the forethought or presence of mind not to take out someone who they think is about to cause harm to others.
If we used the NRA method of justice, Salah Eddin Barhoum would have been dead before the FBI even published the photos of the actual bombers.
(nb: I am a gun owner)
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
How do they know they killed the right guy?
A suspect is not known to be guilty, only circumstantially involved in some way that draws attention the the possibility of guilty involvement, hence the meaning of suspect.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Maybe it's better to consider he/they are guilty until proven innocent. It can be sorted out later anyways, right?
I remember watching interview with a Reagan SS agent and a story about a kid who held a water pistol a "threatening manner" and almost got drilled. I suppose he would be a suspect worth taking out to avoid the risk these days.
It's better they call the drones in if they already haven't.
Blue team: Go!
Chris Matthews on suicide watch, ever since toothless white American rednecks determined by Big Bull Napolitano and FBI not to be involved. Chris heard to wail: But may be they were from Georgia, you know the one that's near Russia and there's some connection to Sons of the Confederacy!
Martians! Ha! Everyone knows that the martians were wiped out and replaced by lizard simulants from Draco.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
He's not from _near_ Chechnya. It's not a city, it's a region. They are Chechens. References to "his native Chechnya". (The capital is Grozny).
He doesn't consider himself Russian, and he doesn't think he comes from "the Russian region near Chechnya". It was a de facto republic that Russia regained control of militarily.
He's likely a Sunni muslim, but it's quite possible that isn't really a factor here; this could simply be an international protest bombing regarding the west's stance on Chechen independence. Chechens are Muslims the way that Russians are Orthodox Christians and Americans are Catholic or Calvinist in origin; Islam hasn't as far as I understand it been a feature element of their struggle.
Slate is twisting itself in new corners. Now that it seems the bombers are Tjetchen, they are claiming that since they are technically Caucasian, they are white and therefor it ain't brown people just as they said.
EXCEPT that in the shooting of Trevor by a Hispanic guy, suddenly Hispanic does NOT mean your white because they are Caucasian... wow, it certainly seems as if being white and Caucasian are only the same thing if it is convenient. (By the way, this goes for the left and right).
And by the way, slate is NOT left wing, it is the bleeding heart wing. Real left can and often is very hard and most definitely anti-faith.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Don't forget the IRA and their fundraisers in various US cities, including Boston.
The IRA were nasty. They wanted to cause alarm and panic, and they didn't mind too much if bystanders got hurt. But unlike the Muslims they did issue warnings. The killing and maiming was a not the primary aim, the panic and disruption was.
Oh shush, you aren't helping at all with your reasonable, logical and calm interpretation of fact.
Why do you bother to maintain an ID here, they must hate you.
I have noticed that more people are starting to understand the truth about Islam. I think that posting with an ID is important, or else you can get dismissed as one of those trolls who post racist comments to shock. Part of Islam's and their useful idiots defense is that people who point out how they act in their countries are being racist, that their position now is like the Jews in WW2. Look at any Islamic country and you will have no doubt that their position is like the Nazis in WWII, listen to whet the leaders say and you will see that they have the same plan of world domination.
What makes you think they were Muslims?
Neither Tamerlan Tsarnaev nor Dzhokhar Tsarnaev are common names among Muslims. They are far more common among Orthodox Christians.
I suspect that the 'friends' of Johar are now in an unfortunate situation, I am quite certain they will now be facing some government scrutiny, something you don't want to face even in USA but especially in Russia.
What do you think about being 'friends' with somebody on social network sites, isn't it just too convenient for the authorities to go after 'friends' in case they don't like somebody? Imagine the government decides you are an enemy for any reason, all of your their 'social network friends' are immediately suspect. What a pot of gold for the government.
You can't handle the truth.
Fight the good fight brother, I tried once but got modded straght down to hell by the echo chamber here. Waste of time.
Now I just show up to poke sticks at the douchebags for fun.
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Why is it always MALES??
I mean, why can't we get more WOMEN into terrorism? We can't seem to get them interested in Engineering, and now it seems we need more equal opportunity for terrorism.
What can be done about this? Sheesh, will the sexism never end for us??
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
There was a group of military that ran the marathon WITH backpacks on. They were also some of the first to help the wounded. exercise your inner-google. I saw photos that day of that showed them running IN the race.
Take off the tinfoil hat and rejoin reality. It may suck and make no sense at times, but every now and then, you actually get to have some fun. If you are always wearing your tinfoil hat, you will NEVER feel happiness.
Prof. Farnsworth - "Oh a lesson in not changing history from Mr I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!"
Watch the total absence of the posters who previously seemed to think that it was just as likely to be the tea party
Well, given US history, were they wrong in assuming it was also likely that it was a domestic terrorist? It's not like the US hasn't had its share of home-grown nuts of that kind. It seems rather odd of you to feel vindicated just because you win a coin toss every other try on average.
If government could be trusted to serve the people and to be genuinely transparent in its activities AND if we had a MSM which still acted as the "fourth estate" rather than serving as the propaganda wing of the establishment, there wouldn't BE an 'infowars.com'
When they act in their own self interest and exploit sensational incidents like 9-11 and falsify intelligence data to pursue a pre-planned political agenda (Patriot Act, warrantless surveillance, Iraq War, etc.) it raises natural doubts as to the truth of any narrative they try to sell. The media is largely complicit, for instance in selling the 'WMD' story.
Sadly, I think the sociopaths who control our government would be more than willing to hurt innocent Americans to further their objectives. The coincidence of this attack with tax day and the active gun control debate definitely had me concerned about the possibility.
Watch the total absence of the posters who previously seemed to think that it was just as likely to be the tea party or the Mormon tabernacle choir as Muslims.
It may have been just as likely. And *if* these two turn out to be Muslims, that doesn't mean that those (if any) that suggested those odds were wrong.
Though there have been exceptions this sort of attack, aimed at killing and injuring indiscriminately is the hallmark of Islam.
The US military has killed and injured indiscriminately far more people than Muslim terrorists have. Right through history, from the genocide of the native Americans, through unnecessary nuclear bombings of Japan as a demonstration to Russia, to the invasion of Iraq.
I love it when people like you and Sockatume think they're making fun of others, but are really just showing how mind-numbingly stupid they are themselves.
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It seems that there might almost be a natural scaling law for multiple sources invoked in a given investigation. With a traditional, established core number of sources, there is more established review of the merits of their reporting. For multiple unestablished or anonymous sources, a certain amount of manpower needed to verify each bias would begin to counter the potential efficiency of crowdsourcing methods. At a certain point, the net gain might cease to scale favourably with numbers, barring emergence of self-organisational practices. How all of this should be taken into consideration when interpreting crowdsourced reports will surely require generations to become known.
It would be damn hard to motivate anyone against "the west" in those places purely for religious reasons. If you honestly believe that "hatred of the west" in the middle east is unrelated to various, shall we say, interventions, you are as misguided as they are.
Gosh, thanks. That must be why the other ships call me Meatfucker -- GCU Grey Area (Eccentric)
Russian in fact. That should confuse everybody nicely.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
You guessed right, sucks when bigots feel validated through confirmation bias. You were wrong about the Norway attacks though, I remember what you posted in that thread. So, one right, one wrong, you're about as good as a flipped coin.
I was wrong about the Norway attacks. It was one individual, who in my opinion was insane. Now look at the list of terror attacks in 2012 and tell me that putting mas murder down to Muslims is just like flipping a coin. I make it about 17 out of 20, and its only that low because Wikipedia counts things like "a possible second US drone strike has killed two more suspected foreign fighters in northwestern Pakistan", and "Two US drone strikes in the volatile tribal belt of northwest Pakistan killed at least five suspected militants on Friday" as terrorist attacks.
In America, a terrorist suspect is most likely a right-wingnut.
Yes except that's a complete lie given that there were a number of bombings that resulted in deaths and injuries where no warnings were given.
Don't try and pretend there's any difference simply because you're racist, terrorists are terrorists.
The summary states: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). "
This is incorrect. The picture had one caucasian and one person with light skin but Arab/Middle Eastern facial features.
Does it matter that the summary says two dark-skinned persons were identified when this isn't true? I'm not sure. If it didn't matter, why did the summary state it, albeit incorrectly?
There was a news story about some military unit that ran the full marathon in full gear/with rucksacks.
They finished towards the beginning of the race and were some of the people seen running towards the blasts and removing the barricades to let the first responders get to the victims.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Dude targets little fucking children and you defend this?
I say you deserve to be investigated just for that alone. Do you go to MIT perhaps?
Sir, may we have a word with you? We find it highly disturbing that you publish such information.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Two Caucasians. Suck it shit for brains.
look at how long it takes to resolve these isolated instances of chaos, imagine a 1-9 MILLION MAN/WOMAN military from N.Korea - it would be ANARCHY!!
Correlation does not imply causation. Get a grip.
never take anything the whackydoo at infowars, or any of his brainwashed cronies, says seriously.
even if he says the sky is blue, you better double check first.
that's how crazy he (they) is.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Alex Jones is a scam artist, and you are his mark.
Please go invest your life savings into gold and silver, so the rest of us can laugh as the value of those two precious metals so often used to scam tard party patriots out of their money.
Buy gold and silver because Obama!!!
Buy it from one of the scam artists sponsoring inforwars.com because you are a fucking moron.
ghod bless you APKtroll for bringing some much needed balance and reason to this thread!
Correlation does not imply causation. Get a grip.
No, but we can look at the teachings of Islam and the words of muslim clerics to confirm that there is a causation
i smell an inforwars brainwashee.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
there are military at nearly every marathon with backpacks
Heu... Why ?!?
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I grew up in southie. Moved to upstate NH years ago. Its crazy how different things are up here. If there was a manhunt looking for someone with bombs and guns I can assure you we wouldn't be taking cover in our homes. We'd be on our porches ready. The news stories would be completely different I assure you.
Frankly, I hope they catch the second shooter, flay him alive, and then blow his friends in Pakistan to pieces. It's the only way we'll be able to stop them.
Don't worry man, this is sure to be a Fox News Orgasm. Better than Christmas.
The IRA were nasty. They wanted to cause alarm and panic, and they didn't mind too much if bystanders got hurt. But unlike the Muslims they did issue warnings. The killing and maiming was a not the primary aim, the panic and disruption was.
That is bollocks. The IRA (who were funded largely by Americans) were clearly trying to kill people. They did issue warnings, but those warnings were often misleading. The warnings often encouraged police to evacuate the public into areas where a real second bomb was waiting. This happened often enough, and with enough specificity, that the only reasonable interpretation is that the IRA wanted more people to die.
And fuck you very much for attempting to relativise the actions of a bunch of murdering scum.
Perhaps they're converts, like the shoebomber. And who knows if they're their real names?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Are you a Christian, or an Athiest, or what?
Because I'd like to know what random group I should completely alienate on the basis of a single lifestyle choice they happen to share with a terrorist.
Up next: All brown-eyed people are murderers.
Idiot.
"couldn't they use some kind of anaesthetic bullets?"
BATMAN ISN'T REAL.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
... The ratio of crappy versus good cops seems to go up when you're dealing with rent-a-cops and security, yes ...
Campus police may be real cops, especially so at state schools. At the University of California they are actually equivalent to state police and may patrol areas off campus with large concentrations of students. At my campus when a nearby bank was robbed the UC Police were the first on scene, confronting and containing armed robbers. When a local police officer was shot during a routine traffic stop one night, and the suspect fled into a nearby industrial park, the UC Police, the local police and the police from the neighboring town were searching and clearing the buildings in the park. I forget which department actually found the guy.
Not always, they bloody didn't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_barracks_bombing
Also look through this list and see whether all of them had warnings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process
And in Warrington, in 1993 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bomb_attacks -- they gave a coded warning not quite half an hour before, to a charitable telephone support organisation; half an hour is not enough time to do anything and two innocent kids died.
Dissident IRA members, post-peace-process, also planted the Omagh bomb and may have used the coded warning to drive people _into_ the bomb reach. Not official, not IRA, but the same dudes; not good dudes.
The provisional IRA were established to protect catholic civil rights protesters, something that the British state was trying and failing to do, but they were nasty, and they were serious, and they didn't always give warnings. There were usually warnings for mainland bombings, but not always. Let's not romanticise what they did as some sort of mean game of political chess; they killed innocent people and they meant to kill innocent people. And not always with bombings.
Nonetheless there's a peace process, there's a settlement, paramilitaries on both sides have stood down, and a former Commander in Chief of the IRA is now quite a good minister and evidently a friend of a former arch-enemy. Peace happens but we shouldn't forget how it happened or look back with rose-tinted glasses at the struggle to get there; we degrade the peace for everyone by pretending either side was more gentlemanly than it actually was.
Now look at the list of terror attacks in 2012
None of those happened in the USA. Here's a list of Islamic attack attempts in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_extremism_in_the_United_States#attacks_or_failed_attacks_by_date
And here's a far bigger list of all terrorism attempts in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010.E2.80.93present
If you guess every terrorism attack in the USA is Islamic, you're going to be wrong more often than you are right.
"What makes you think they were Muslims?"
maddening.. nothing to see here... radicalized Chechen immigrants, obviously by the political tone of the right-wing and GOP. They've not bonded with our country because of the lack of immigration reform, gay marriage not recognized and the 1% not paying their fair share... shheesh.
That will be the meme... oh, and they might be followers of the religion of peace, but that clearly has nothing to do with any of this... please move along..
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Don't worry, there are adults around who can do your thinking for you. Just pay your Obamacare taxes and shut your mouth.
It's not necessary to "make fun of" false flag conspiracy theories, they're riotously amusing in and of themselves.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Okay, so Slashdot is covering this with multiple stories. I must have some kind of tech/geek angle.
I can't find it though.
(and no, the 4chan bit doesn't count)
Seriously slashdot. I know you're American and it seems like this is the biggest news story since like ever, but it isn't, and you don't have anything to add. I can get all the news I want about it by watching CNN/Fox/BBC/ABC/etc. I come to Slashdot to read about the latest tech news, not the latest US news.
Although, in real life, blowing people up is kind of dickish behavior, everybody loves watching a good mad bomber media fracas from a safe distance away.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
"It may have been just as likely. And *if* these two turn out to be Muslims, that doesn't mean that those (if any) that suggested those odds were wrong."
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There's your smoking gun.
Insane how historically the TEA party hasn't every actually blown anybody up, and how it's always the Religion of Peace(tm). Yet the first suspect in any bombing is the TEA party.
Douchebag.
Do you have a religion yourself?
Where are all the people who didn't think it could possibly be a Caucasian?
These two guys were the very essence of caucasian. From the place that gave caucasians their name, in fact.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The link with MIT speaks to why this is news for nerds. Nerds/engineers are probably the most likely suspects in any bombing, being both disenfranchised from the mainstream and having the intelligence to know how to accomplish the engineering required to blow something up.
Korma: Good
Two mozzies.
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Douchebag.
Pretty much the only terrorist groups I can think of that avoid civilian casualties are the anti-corporate flavor (Weather Underground).
Wow, these folks do look pretty serious...
Yes except that's a complete lie given that there were a number of bombings that resulted in deaths and injuries where no warnings were given.
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There were some. As far as I can remember these were aimed at military targets or other paramilitary groups. As I said the IRA were a nasty bunch, they certainly did not try to avoid random casualties when doing this. On occasions they even apologised when there were no warnings, claiming that timers malfunctioned. Were they terrorist? Yes. Was their aim to kill and amim at random? No - but they didn't mind if that was a secondary attack. I'm certainly not saying that this is in any way good, but it is a way to distinguish Muzzies attacks.
Don't try and pretend there's any difference simply because you're racist, terrorists are terrorists.
Really? What race am I discriminating against? What race am I? Go on tell
Martians! Ha! Everyone knows that the martians were wiped out and replaced by lizard simulants from Draco.
Incorrect, the Martians were not wiped out. As anyone who watched the latest Dr Who episode knows, the Martians (a.k.a. Ice Warriors) have simply moved out and spread among the stars - although they do keep ships in close enough proximity to rescue (from a Russian submarine) noted military leaders who were somehow frozen in Earth's arctic ice for 5000 years. But the Doctor did tell us that Mars would rise again so watch out....
I'm not sure how you got the idea that I'm defending this. I'm just saying, to chrisq in this case, there's more to it than religious wingnuttery.
Gosh, thanks. That must be why the other ships call me Meatfucker -- GCU Grey Area (Eccentric)
Heh. That's what the Martians WANT you to think...
Look at the IRA's death toll. Apparently, they were whispering those "warnings" up the Bishop's ass.
There's not that much difference between the IRA and Al Qaeda. Both self-righteous religious murderers.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I prefer not to have myself modded down to the point that I can't post >x posts in a day, which is what happens when one posts unpopular opinions on /. Hence the AC - GP is right.
It's hard to see how the Muslim angle could be missed. First, the suspect was a Saudi, who's being deported - probably a cover-up, or else, either arrest him or release him. Now, the suspects are Chechens. What's the only common factor between Saudis and Chechens? It's not race - the Chechens are White Caucacians (literally from the Caucasus Mountains) and the Saudis are Arabs. It's not ethnic or linguistic. Only common factor between the 2 is that both are Muslims.
But as the GP pointed out, don't dare point it out!
They are the original
Scientologists !!
Got that straight from Tom Cruise hiself !!
Again, is there any news of an Al Qaeda link in this attack or are you talking out of your ass? Is there any info that these Chechens have friends in Pakistan or do you just want to blow up some Pakistanis for no reason?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Slate is twisting itself in new corners. Now that it seems the bombers are Tjetchen, they are claiming that since they are technically Caucasian, they are white and therefor it ain't brown people just as they said.
EXCEPT that in the shooting of Trevor by a Hispanic guy, suddenly Hispanic does NOT mean your white because they are Caucasian... wow, it certainly seems as if being white and Caucasian are only the same thing if it is convenient. (By the way, this goes for the left and right).
And by the way, slate is NOT left wing, it is the bleeding heart wing. Real left can and often is very hard and most definitely anti-faith.
There are black, brown, chinese, and white Muslim terrorists. All follow the same vile belief. Race has nothing to do with it.
I bet that's exactly what the Boston Marathon bombers told each other.
It's a common greeting among assholes.
You are welcome on my lawn.
If you stick your finger into the mouth of a snapping turtle, and the snapping turtle bites it off, and then I point out that in retrospect sticking your finger in the mouth of the snapping turtle was a bad idea, am I "defending" the snapping turtle? If you cut down a tree while standing where it's going to fall, and it falls on you, and I point out that it's best to figure out where the tree is going to fall before you start cutting, are you going to accuse me of "defending" the tree?
Inflicting mayhem on large populations will, statistically, produce some number of people who are so pissed off that they will strike back. This is true whether they are Muslin, Christian, Buddhist, Cult of the Yellow Sign or Pastafarian. The people from these populations who subsequently act on their anger and inflict new mayhem on new innocents don't get to say "it's okay, we're just getting revenge." But we can certainly say "gosh, it might have been better not to inflict that kind of damage on a large population; maybe we should try to fix what damage we can, and not do that in the future." That's not "defending terrorists."
Yes, unfortunately that list also for some unknown reason (well I lie, it's not known, that list has been produced by someone with a bias) completely missing many other incidents.
There were in the same period attacks that would also fall under the lose definition used (or even a much tighter definition) of terrorist attacks by Shining Path rebels in Peru, Farc rebels in Colombia, Buddhists in Burma (against muslims), PIRA in Ireland, Hindus in India (against muslims). I could probably go on if I bother to Google for other parts of the world that the Western press rarely gives a fuck about but there's little point given that there's enough here to run a bulldozer over the worthfulness of that list.
Further, it seems a little odd to take a list so many attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq and pretend they're somehow evidence of muslims being somehow a problematic grouping of people without considering the context of those attacks and that they were triggered by the actions of Bush and Blair's modern Christian crusades and that most attacks are against other muslims so are as much demonstrative of civil war, than terrorism.
But anyway, I don't know why I'm bothering, you've made enough posts in response to enough stories that have absolutely no relevance to Islam proclaiming your hate for it for it to be obvious you are a fully signed up far right propagandist and hence inherently unable to think rationally or converse sensibly on this topic, but I guess for the benefit of others, perhaps they can at least see that terrorism happens globally, and that muslims are as much victims as they are perpetrators. You only have to look at the suffering muslims faced in Afghanistan in the 80s by the USSR, and Chechnya as a result of Putin's policies for example to see that they haven't exactly had an easy ride themselves. You may think a few attacks in the West are evidence of some horrible group of people far worse than anyone else, but here's an idea - why not go live somewhere like Burma, or Islamic areas of India for a while and then tell me they're the bad guys not the victims - you don't know what terrorism is unless you've seen or bothered to even read about how some of these communities suffer daily.
Two Caucasians. Suck it shit for brains.
What, are you some sort of racist? What has race got to do with it?
While I feel bad for the innocent person wrongly considered a person of interest, I don't believe any wrong was committed
(now that people know he wasn't involved) he should be left alone. The pictures only served to help him, in a way,
defend his innocence. You have to understand that the response that people had was very controlled to what would have
happened in another country under similar circumstances. The [brothers] who did this are out of control fanatics; cold blooded
calculating killers, so people are going to find who's responsible and try and help the police in their efforts to bring them to justice.
This is a real opportunity for law enforcement to open a new path with the public to address these concern from citizens who are
trying to help by being more involved in the SNet sites and responding in more open dialogue when these these things happen
on these SNet sites. It's not that people believe that law enforcement is incompetent, it's a natural reaction for people to bond
together under these circumstances. And, I believe law enforcement has done a good job and I truly hope the 2nd is captured alive.
We, as a people, need to know what this is all about - is it part of a larger terror effort or are these just a pair of isolated terrorists?
If he's captured alive, tried, and convicted, I would like to see (though I consider this wishful thinking) his punishment more along the lines
of how things like this were handled not that long ago in U.S. history - you know what I'm talking about and it would be very apposite .
CAPTCHA = 'agreed'
Look at their first names. Tamerlan is a variation of Timur or Tamerlane, who conquered the greatest empire the Muslims ever had. It's common to Turkic people - people from Turkey or the 'stans'. Dzhokhar too is a Chechen name. You won't find too many Christians named either of these.
OMG, Wikipedia doesn't affirm our right to commit acts of terror^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hjustified attacks on civilian populations! They think it doesn't matter who commits that attack—that it's always wrong. Where are the moral relativists when you need them?
And that would make you a Fox News fanboy then?
Come on. Just because you doubt the official story doesn't mean you are tinfoil hats and alien abductions.
The government lies to us. All the fucking time. If you don't realize this, then YOU, sir or ma'am, are the brainwashee. The day the government comes out and says "Sorry, we've been lying about Area 51, and what happens overseas in these 'wars', and how we deal with, assassinate, and install pocket leaders around the world" then I will start buying the 'official story'.
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
IRA were definitely different because they wanted to live. Terrorists sure, but they weren't generally running suicide bombings. That meant they could be negotiated with differently than suicide cultists, which is what Jihadi Islam is. Blow yourself up for eternal paradise with a bunch of virgins.
The IRA put bombs in pubs and Burger Kings, with nothing resembling a "warning" issued and with there being little point in planting them unless the aim was to kill civilians, primarily or secondarily.
Frankly I'm tried of hearing people on this side of the Atlantic give them a pass simply because they were made up predominantly of Christians and because their cause is sympathetic. They were (and the remaining pockets who've continued to fight since the peace agreements of the 1990s still are) murderous thugs. At best, you can argue they weren't as lethal, with fewer people killed and with no attempt to drag in unrelated countries into their bitter dispute. But yes, as a Brit living in Britain for the first 25 years of my life, there was a target on my back - not as big as it was for soldiers, police, and everyone from construction workers to bankers considered by some arbitrary definition to be helping the British in Northern Ireland, but it was there.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I banged yer mom, you wimpy redneck ... You is uglier than a lard bucket full of armpits.
Yes catching the numerous guys trolling you with copypasta (because you are the most delicious lolcow of all) is just as important as catching these bombers.
Do you have a religion yourself?
Yes but I am not going to say what it is because to do so in a public forum where I criticise Islam might lead to attacks on others. To anticipate your next point - Yes members of my religion have suggested that there should be revenge attacks on Muslims. But when they did religious leaders quickly made sure everyone knew that it was against the teachings of the religion. One said "you might as well convert to Islam and follow the dog Muhammad as go and attack Muslims".
If you want to see the leading edge of CT-nuttery, Alex Jones is not your guy. The absolute brain-melting display of sheer idiocy is happening at cluesforum and godlikeproductions these days. The nutters are already convinced that the whole bombing did not actually happen and the victims were actors, because one guy with a leg wound did not have enough blood on his socks. Also because of walrus. Or something. That's the level these idiots are on now...
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
Hey how come you forgot to mention these are Chechen Bagger NRA loving bible thumpers huh?
"Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed in a shootout"
That is not known, it is quite possible he died of bast from his suicide vest at the hospital or on the way, It is believed his last words were "I love the NRA, hold by beer and watch this!"
Fuckwads.
He was apparently shot full of more holes than a Swiss cheese, run over by an SUV, and detonated a suicide device. It may take a while to figure out what actually killed him.
Don't try and pretend there's any difference simply because you're racist, terrorists are terrorists.
Since when is the Muslim religion a race?
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You were doing so good, right up until that last sentence. Delete it and your post is spot on.
It would be damn hard to motivate anyone against "the west" in those places purely for religious reasons. If you honestly believe that "hatred of the west" in the middle east is unrelated to various, shall we say, interventions, you are as misguided as they are.
The claim that interventions are valid justification, or really even related, is vacant and specious. If you're Iranian and are talking about the Shah, who brutalized your family/friends/entire town, that's one thing. If you're a random guy in Whateverstan then no, we haven't intervened in meaningful capacity. You don't get to project "someone insulted Islam, somewhere in the west" and then take up arms.
Which is exactly what happens. "A random nutter in Florida burns a quran? RIOT!" Sorry, no, sensible people don't consider that a worthwhile response. I had someone hurling racial slurs at me the other day in Cambridge - does another guy get to assault the person in response? Of course not.
"There were some. As far as I can remember these were aimed at military targets or other paramilitary groups."
Then you can't remember very far and should probably avoid the topic given that fact.
"Really? What race am I discriminating against? What race am I? Go on tell"
Look, I don't play games. I have zero respect for people who like to pretend they're the good citizen, that they're objective, fair, sensible, rational individuals and that this is nothing to do with race because they "have friends who are muslim" and so on. I prefer to call a spade a spade, and you're likely discriminating against people who aren't white caucasian Westerners. Even if you were an anomally and it's not about race for you, then the fact you generalise 1.3bn people as all being the same still doesn't exactly paint you in any better a light. It still fully paints you with the same level of idiocy so it's by the by, it doesn't matter, you're either a racist or as bad as one because however you cut it you still have that simplistic feeble mindset.
If you hold a political view at least have the courage of your convictions to accept it and admit you're part of the far right and a fascist. Acting as something whilst you're pretending to be another just defines you as a coward who doesn't have enough faith in his beliefs to stand behind them. It says that deep down you want to be a reasonable member of society but you know you're letting your anger and hatred based on your primalistic tribalism take control rather than an ability to pursue rational thought but that you can't control it, because you're mentally weak, and hence, so are your arguments.
there are military at nearly every marathon with backpacks
Heu... Why ?!?
do you know what military training mainly consists of? hiking around with backpacks.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
The question you ask is valid, I ask how many slashdot douchebags currently go to MIT and knew these animals. More than one I would bet money on.
The brothers didn't go to MIT, they were just caught there trying to place more bombs. One went to UMass, the other to a local community college. One of them posted on his web site that he didn't have any American friends.
and because non of the rovers on mars have found martians it proves that the US Govt. is helping to cover it up!
The Muslims who buy into extremism and terrorism are akin to the US Republicans who buy into the Tea Party. Every group has its crazies and fanatics - that doesn't mean the rest of that group are also evil.
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
The US military has killed and injured indiscriminately far more people than Muslim terrorists have. Right through history, from the genocide of the native Americans, through unnecessary nuclear bombings of Japan as a demonstration to Russia, to the invasion of Iraq.
Armies do that. The difference is that unlike terrorists, they usually make their intentions plain beforehand. And they don't do it out of personal beliefs, they do it because they were ordered to to it.
endurance training... like a long march, only maybe somewhat fun...
OK, now I know where your bigotry comes from. A plague on both your houses. Rational people don't believe in invisible friends.
Is that because you think false flag attacks don't happen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Non sequitur. Whether he has a religion or not is tangential to whether Islamic doctrines are a motivation behind what happened. It certainly wasn't any US policy in Chechnya
Race doesn't motivate people to do anything, doctrine does. Whether that's secular doctrine or religious doctrine is immaterial. So they're white, but it's more important that they're radicalized Muslim converts, since that's what motivated them to kill innocent people. It's not like they woke up one day, looked at themselves in the mirror and said, 'shit, I'm white, better go blow up some kids.' What they did do is read things like the Quran's surah 9:5, the verse of the sword telling them to "[...] slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. [...]" Unless they convert of course. Convert or die, the divine command of the prophet of the "religion of peace".
I support the Slashcott and will not be reading or commenting from 2/10/14 to 2/17/14. Beta is steaming pile of dog shit
If you can't understand that most muslims are non-white caucasian and that most islamophobes single out muslims over other arguably worse, but same race killers (like Adam Lanza and friends) because they are racist, even if they can't admit it deep down, then I can't really help you understand why I said what I said and the reason I said it for.
The likes of the IRA, the far right, and ETA have killed far more in the West than muslims in recent decades yet they are not singled out in the same manner, and the reason is simply the underlying racism towards the ethnic groups that primarily comprise the muslim population.
like how China respects Falun Gong.
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There are crazy people in any group. At some times and in some places the crazy people may even come to power. That does not change the fact that most people in the group are sane and reasonable and not a threat to anyone. Members of my family grew up in fascist Italy. When the fascists came around and round up the kids to teach them to sing the fascists songs, the kids smiled and sang the songs. When the fascists left the kids mocked and cursed the fascists. They simply played along superficially because they knew that not doing so would endanger themselves and their family. Its easy to talk about speaking out publicly when one grew up in the USA, its another when one grows up in a country where people are badly beaten in the middle of the night, killed or disappeared. When one watches the old newsreels of fascist Italy one gets a false impression, one does not see that the former is the common sentiment.
Similarly when one watches the news today one gets a false impression of muslims. TV cameras are drawn to the crazies. The sane are boring and do not make for good rating that enable high prices for advertising. Remember, the news is in the business of selling ads, sadly not in the business of accurately portraying the truth or unfolding history.
Frankly, I hope they catch the second shooter, flay him alive, and then blow his friends in Pakistan to pieces. It's the only way we'll be able to stop them.
Good thinking, creating a martyr is bound to damage the terrorists' cause immeasurably.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Three comments:
1) Extremism ^= Terrorism (ie. 2008 July 27 Knoxville shooting by no means was terrorism)
2) terrorism (tr-rzm) The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
3) Narrow the comparison to the 1970s and onward, once the United States became very involved in the Middle East, and your assertion proves false. Most true terrorist acts have been related to Islamic/Muslim grievances against the U.S.
... because the military is full of people, and (because of the training) a large amount of them enjoy running and the like?
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
If government could be trusted to serve the people and to be genuinely transparent in its activities AND if we had a MSM which still acted as the "fourth estate" rather than serving as the propaganda wing of the establishment, there wouldn't BE an 'infowars.com'
When they act in their own self interest and exploit sensational incidents like 9-11 and falsify intelligence data to pursue a pre-planned political agenda (Patriot Act, warrantless surveillance, Iraq War, etc.) it raises natural doubts as to the truth of any narrative they try to sell. The media is largely complicit, for instance in selling the 'WMD' story.
This is a good point. More and more people don't trust what government spokespeople tell them because they have been mislead in the past. It's not to say they are always lying or deceiving, but that their statements should be taken with a grain of salt.
Sadly, I think the sociopaths who control our government would be more than willing to hurt innocent Americans to further their objectives. The coincidence of this attack with tax day and the active gun control debate definitely had me concerned about the possibility.
Unfortunately, I agree there are elements of our government that would resort to such measures. It has been done before, such as when the military or CIA have run experiments on unsuspecting civilians, or plans like Operation Northwoods (though that wasn't carried out). This particular case (the marathon bombing) doesn't strike me that way though. It seems more like disaffected youth or some such. We'll have to wait and see.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
What makes you think they were Muslims?
The reference to Chechnya.
But if the goal is to run 42km as fast as you can, you don't carry a backpack. And why would you even dress as a military if you participate on your own ? They don't run marathon on an official status, now do they ? They have training grounds for that. Well, it wouldn't be the 1st time I completely fail to understand the military 'mind'.
Non-Linux Penguins ?
Brutes only understand the language of brutality. They only respect power and despise weakness. If we crush them militarily, they won't hate us -- they will love and fear us in their own sick way.
Ever seen how Arabs fawn all over Putin on state visits? They only respect crushing, overwhelming power. They're barbarians, don't try and reason about them.
The problem isn't terror, it's the fact that this numbnut is trying to conduct a running firefight in the city, trying to avoid the police he's been shooting and trying to place bombs where he can. He's an indiscriminate killer and may be wearing a suicide vest on top of that. There are police all over trying to catch this clown, but crowds of people will complicate their jobs and give the nutjob more targets. We're not staying inside from fear, we're trying to help them do their jobs.
Stepping out from the middle of an active firefight isn't being terrorized, it's common sense. When the manhunt is over -- and I don't expect it to take long -- we're going back to our lives. And I predict a record turnout for next year's marathon.
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On behalf of my relatives who fought in that war, fuck you.
No way it could have been the IRA. This happened in Boston. Even the IRA has the common sense not to piss in their own well.
Thank You. Regardless of religion or political stance people will always murder, rape, terrorize other people. We are a violent race who haven't evolved enough.
One of the main reasons Hitler did not use poison gas in WWII battlefields (besides his love for all of humanity) was that gas has one huge disadvantage: It is unpredictable and very often comes back to kill YOU.
Pepper spray (as an example for something that is actively used) works because either
- riot police shoot it into the crowd from a safe distance, and they use LOTS of it because they don't care about whom they hit with it
- you are about 10 inches from the person you want to defend against and spray it directly into their face.
This must be the day of the "most impracticable solution" contest :-)
Then you can't remember very far and should probably avoid the topic given that fact.
"Really? What race am I discriminating against? What race am I? Go on tell"
Look, I don't play games. I have zero respect for people who like to pretend they're the good citizen, that they're objective, fair, sensible, rational individuals and that this is nothing to do with race because they "have friends who are muslim" and so on. I prefer to call a spade a spade, and you're likely discriminating against people who aren't white caucasian Westerners.
You are completely full of bullshit here. Do you really think that I somehow admire white Muslims or black Muslim terrorists but only feel outrage at brown ones?
If you hold a political view at least have the courage of your convictions to accept it and admit you're part of the far right and a fascist.
You are wrong, my politics are probably slightly left of centre. Read the Qur'an and listen to the words of Muslim clerics and you will see how anyone who believes in tolerance, equality, justice for all, and freedom of expression should opose Islam
If you can't understand that most muslims are non-white caucasian and that most islamophobes single out muslims over other arguably worse, but same race killers (like Adam Lanza and friends) because they are racist, even if they can't admit it deep down, then I can't really help you understand why I said what I said and the reason I said it for.
If there was a group that followed Adam Lanza, regularly announced that they would carry out similar attacks and in practice did so, I would certainly speak out against them too.
The reason you get push-back is that you lump an entire religion (Islam) in with a relative few who cause violence. I agree that what goes on in some Muslim countries is backward from my view. But when you talk about an entire religion with over a billion adherents, most of whom are peaceful, it makes you sound like a bigot. The issue really is religious fundamentalism, whether it be Muslim, Jewish, Christian or Hindu. They have all killed people using religion as their justification.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
The IRA put bombs in pubs and Burger Kings, with nothing resembling a "warning" issued and with there being little point in planting them unless the aim was to kill civilians, primarily or secondarily.
Frankly I'm tried of hearing people on this side of the Atlantic give them a pass simply because they were made up predominantly of Christians and because their cause is sympathetic. They were (and the remaining pockets who've continued to fight since the peace agreements of the 1990s still are) murderous thugs. At best, you can argue they weren't as lethal, with fewer people killed and with no attempt to drag in unrelated countries into their bitter dispute. But yes, as a Brit living in Britain for the first 25 years of my life, there was a target on my back - not as big as it was for soldiers, police, and everyone from construction workers to bankers considered by some arbitrary definition to be helping the British in Northern Ireland, but it was there.
The IRA did not appear out of a vacuum. They were a response to the systematic abuse of the native Irish by the British. They may have been nasty but they were in no sense religiously motivated. As usual, one person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist.
If you look at most "attacks" you'll find that the individuals are usually part of a relatively small group and are, in most people's opinion, insane.
Yet you are happy to group them all together on what you suspect their religion may be. Terrorism is an economic crime. People become "terrorists" because, rightly or wrongly, they believe they are oppressed/wronged and they do not have the finances to set up their own country and/or army to peruse a war. Terrorism seems a good option to them because it can have a large impact with much lower costs. (Other than lives, and as insane fanatics they don't value them as much.)
Their god-dammed religion is only a convenient handle for them to give their action a 'higher' justification and an illusion of wider support, and idiots like you grasping that handle play right into their hands.
Right so you now regularly intend to speak out against Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, and far right extremism because they do carry out similar attacks across the globe?
Give this, why do you single out Islam?
You can't generalize amongst a billion people. You just can't, and be accurate. http://www.emuslim.com/islamagainstVoilence.asp
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Just curious.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Right so you now regularly intend to speak out against Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, and far right extremism because they do carry out similar attacks across the globe?
Give this, why do you single out Islam?
If any of them regularly called for this violence and attacks then yes. Actually the level of Christian, Hindu and Buddhist attacks are much less than those of Muslims.
NBC is saying they are linked to the Islamic Jihad Union, an "affiliate" of al Quaida. For what it's worth.
"The reason you get push-back is that you lump an entire religion (Islam) in with a relative few who cause violence."
8 year old kid. ROP? I have long ago ceased to give a fuck. When the ROP can go 50 years without killing little kids to make political gains I will start to listen. Until then, go fuck yourself.
There's not that much difference between the IRA and Al Qaeda. Both self-righteous religious murderers.
Well, you're half right, there's not much difference. But in both cases, their prime motivation is being pissed off at foreign imperialism, not religion. The reason there's a Catholic/Protestant division in the Irish troubles? It's because the British were protestant, and the Irish Catholic. The IRA was trying to kill Britons, its just that Britons and Protestant were synonymous in Catholic Ireland.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
Oh wise one, please enlighten us to how Tea Party members are terrorists.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Geez, I've been reading this page and it looks like knows exactly who these guys are, their political affiliations and motivations for the bombings. When I went to bed last night there weren't even decent pictures of these guys and we just got their names this mornings. Their high-school friends have no idea why they did this. Their father hasn't said -- and may not know -- why they did it. Neither brother has explained their motivations and one of them never will.
Give it time. We don't have nearly enough information yet, so if everyone could just vacate their pulpit-of-preference until we do we might be able to raise the signal-to-noise ratio around here.
Thanks.
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get off your f'in high horse and see the world for what it is, am brown and south asian.
there are cultures which blend well with other cultures and some which preach assimilate or die if that does'nt work try to overbreed and kill other cultures.
You can call it what you want. Did you know muslims actively discourage music or arts to kids because it sways emotions and enables free thinking ?
So get out of your arm chair, go and see the world.
"Read the Qur'an and listen to the words of Muslim clerics and you will see how anyone who believes in tolerance, equality, justice for all, and freedom of expression should opose Islam"
But that's just it isn't it? These things are all open to interpretation and whatever is said in the Koran, or by extremist preachers is really irrelevant - that says nothing about the followers as a whole, that does nothing to justify your generalisation of all 1.3bn muslims.
As I have pointed out to you, right now there are Buddhists attacking and killing muslims in places like Burma, do you really not see that even if the teachings of Buddhism can be interpreted in such a way as to justify violence that anything can? That it's not the text, that kills people, it's simply people who are often brought up in a world of turmoil, violence, and anger - the same sort of anger you're preaching, which is precisely the type of anger that creates far right extremists. You seem entirely oblivious that your distortion of the facts, your preaching of select points and ideas (i.e. you never make mention of the billion odd muslims who behave and even do genuine good in the world) is exactly the same as what those Islamic preachers you so hate do?
You may think you're doing right, you may think you're doing good, but in reality you're exactly the same as the likes of Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada, you just thankfully haven't found the platform and hence do not have the listeners to do the same damage they do.
Are you really so oblivious to the fact you're doing exactly what they do in generalising about muslims as they generalise about Westerners and preaching hate towards them? If you don't recognise this then tell me, what do you think is different? the mere fact your preaching hasn't led to a terrorist incident yet but theirs has?
No, _don't_ look for updates on Twitter. This is how hysteria, BS and rumors get started. Look for updates on reputable news sites.
Are you so oblivious to cause and effect that you think it's "random" that people who ascribe to a religion the central doctrine of which commands them to "[...]slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. [...]" (Quran 9:5)? These people are doing what their sacred text tells them to do. It's not a coincidence, it's not random, and it's as much a "lifestyle choice" as a serial killer. Stop picking on serial killers, you insensitive bigots! It's a "lifestyle choice"!
You're the idiot.
I support the Slashcott and will not be reading or commenting from 2/10/14 to 2/17/14. Beta is steaming pile of dog shit
Because they are muslims, not christians. Based on the reports I can find right now, but it's early yet.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
But if the goal is to run 42km as fast as you can, you don't carry a backpack. And why would you even dress as a military if you participate on your own ? They don't run marathon on an official status, now do they ? They have training grounds for that. Well, it wouldn't be the 1st time I completely fail to understand the military 'mind'.
well, there could be multiple reasons. like just showing off, they're not competing to finish it first but fast marching without packs isn't that good for bragging(they weren't there to "run"). as to other reasons there's the possibility for billing the time on the military or being paid bonus for doing it, extra leave or whatever.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
They were probably getting low on cash and also getting used to using violence to accomplish their needs.
MIT is a relatively open campus with many places to hide out. The younger brother probably knew his way around having attended school in Cambridge.
You may think you're doing right, you may think you're doing good, but in reality you're exactly the same as the likes of Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada, you just thankfully haven't found the platform and hence do not have the listeners to do the same damage they do.
So in your book pointing out that Muslims are violent and dangerous is morally equivalent of soliciting things that Abu Hamsa did like murder, aiding and abetting kidnapping, multiple acts of murder - and the things that Abu Qatada is accused of, recruiting terrorists, mentoring the WTC bombers, sending money to terrorist organisations? I'm beginning to see why you think there are others who are just as bad as the Muslims now.
Doesn't matter at all. The damage to one's reputation has already been done, much like once you're accused of being a pedo, that stink sticks around a long long time. This kind of crowdsourced BS is just a fancy new buzzword for mob justice/mob rule with all the negatives that entails.
Don't forget the IRA and their fundraisers in various US cities, including Boston.
The IRA were nasty. They wanted to cause alarm and panic, and they didn't mind too much if bystanders got hurt. But unlike the Muslims they did issue warnings. The killing and maiming was a not the primary aim, the panic and disruption was.
Yeah, it was just bad luck when a bomb they planted killed someone wasn't it?
Please.
The PIRA had the Public Relations sense to claim that they always gave adequate warnings and/or that they only ever targeted members of the army or police, but there were plenty of civilians who were maimed or killed anyway.
When they bombed pubs in Guildford because they were popular with squaddies, oddly enough there were civilians in those pubs too.
I suppose they had to at least appear "reasonable" terrorists in order to continue fleecing their braindead supporters in the US, who might have balked at the thought that their money was paying to cripple women and children.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/04/19/tamerlan_tsarnaev_dead_bombing_suspect_i_don_t_have_a_single_american_friend.html says he is muslim.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
The bombers are Chechens, not ethnic Russians. Chechnya is a part of Russia that is largely Muslum, north of the Middle East. They have been waging an Islamist insurgency intermittently since 1994. Chechens have been responsible for other terror attacks including the Dubrovka Theater attack that killed 130 hostages and the Beslan massacre that killed 334, including 156 children There are claims 100 or more victims of Beslan were burned alive.
People dislike cops because people hate the law (the religion) that is forced upon them. People want to marry young girls, do drugs (some people), not hand over their children to whomever the government people tell them too (mandatory schooling, or revocation of custody etc).
The police enforce the state religion (law).
No keeping young girl children as brides (old testament allows this (deut 22 28-29 (hebrew), 2 samual 12 (little lamb).
Govt people can kidnap your boys and girls (old testament says kill anyone who kidnapps your boys, says any man who seizes and rapes your daughter keeps her and pays you)
Govt says obey them (old testament says kill anyone who entices you to serve an other ruler/judge/God).
People do not like this religion, but they must obey it because of the police and their prisons.
One big problem with your logic. The terrorism is not in response to the invasions, the invasions were in response to terrorism.
Get the order of events correct please.
Personally I hope the FSB and CIA start working together on the 'Islam' problem.
Is that like the Jewish problem? Someone tried to take care of that a while back too.
Nicely done, Kilfarsnar! you have made a valid point, yet avoided triggering Godwin's law.
Bullshit. Most of the last decades terrorism attempts (including mass shootings) have been by insane people. A small minority have an identifiable ideology, and most of those have been left wing (If they are pro-socialism, whatever else their beliefs, they are closer to the left than to the right). Chris Dorner, Andrew Joseph Stack, James von Brunn. I'm sure there are others out there. However, I recognize that it's not valid to judge other members of a vast swath of people by the actions of an insane minority.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
I'm British. I've not once systematical abused the Irish. Seems to me that if you've been systematically abused by someone, maybe you should take it up with them, or appeal to a higher authority (if there is one). It's not a free pass to go around murdering people based on nationality or race.
I'll try to clear a bit of that up. Some soldiers, even when off-duty, love to be seen in their uniforms. They are proud of who they are, the organization that they serve, and want everyone to know it. True pride in thier work if you will because that is a core principle ingrained in them during training. The backpackers aren't typically running with their gear, as was originally mentioned they are walking along side. Some to just get that road march type training in, sometimes because they are EMT volunteers so they carry appropriate gear, and sometimes just as a show of solidairity and support. Also there can and have been events like that where a military person could have been participating, sponsored by his unit. I don't know if this marathon in particular consisted of those but you can't rule it out. Post 911 at least, it has been general policy of the military though to not wear your uniform in public unless you are enroute to work. This is to minimize attacks of opportunity and as general operation security protocol. Some don't heed that advice however, possibly because of the "romantic" visions of the WW2 days where soldiers were loved and respected by the public and they wish to try and revive that spirit. Again that's a pride thing. Hope that helps.
What an odd thing to conclude. Once can believe in asteroid impacts, yet not believe that Nibiru is about to cause a planetary catastrophe.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
You're the one who's willing to believe in a very specific version of events from a single authority on the basis of scant evidence.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Hey how come you forgot to mention these are Chechen Bagger NRA loving bible thumpers huh?
"Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed in a shootout"
That is not known, it is quite possible he died of bast from his suicide vest at the hospital or on the way, It is believed his last words were "I love the NRA, hold by beer and watch this!"
Fuckwads.
*NEWS FLASH* They are muslims. They are Koran thumpers. Real bible thumpers do go around killing people. Also belonging to the NRA does not mean that you would go around shooting other people. Some people like to go to shooting club ranges and fire their guns there while others are hunters. Suicide vest? Read your damn bible, suicide is forbidden in the bible. I think you are confusing the bible and the Koran. The former has commandments against lying and killing whereas the latter encourages doing both if they are non-muslim. Jesus taught us to love our enemies.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
The region of Russia they are from has a lot of Islamic terrorist activity.
Also the web page didn't just say he was a muslim, it also included the phrase "There is no God but Allah, let that ring out in our hearts". More than a hint...
What is sad is that it seems like the younger kid was led into this by the older brother, but in the end everyone is responsible for what they do.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Thank You. Regardless of religion or political stance people will always murder, rape, terrorize other people. We are a violent race who haven't evolved enough.
What about evolution makes you think peacefulness is the best survival trait?
most islamophobes single out muslims over other arguably worse, but same race killers (like Adam Lanza and friends)
I think there's a good reason for that. Adam Lanza didn't go out to preach "Follow my example, kill other people" the same way that Muhammad did. Lanza was a single, isolated loony. You're always going to have a few mentally problematic individuals (just like with congenital disorders). Islam, on the other hand, is contagious.
Ezekiel 23:20
Islamic terrorists in the west are most normally suicide bombers.
That wasn't true of the earlier car bombing attempts of the WTC, or also the times square car bomb. In fact very few terrorist attacks are suicide attacks.
Furthermore, this very much has the signature of Islamic terrorism in that the bomb used (pressure cooker) was directly from an AL Quidea manual. While anyone might have read the Al Quidea manual on bomb making, what is the simplest answer that follows from that?
Combine the pressure cooker info with both suspects coming from a heavily Islamic region of Russia, and one of them stating on the web he was a Muslim. The picture is pretty clear for those that don't want to ignore the obvious answer for some reason.
They don't seem to have been with any particular group, but it's pretty obvious the motive was simply "Jihad".
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
He was apparently shot full of more holes than a Swiss cheese, run over by an SUV, and detonated a suicide device. It may take a while to figure out what actually killed him.
Shame?
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... You only have to look at the suffering muslims faced in Afghanistan in the 80s by the USSR, and Chechnya as a result of Putin's policies for example to see that they haven't exactly had an easy ride themselves. You may think a few attacks in the West are evidence of some horrible group of people far worse than anyone else, but here's an idea - why not go live somewhere like Burma, or Islamic areas of India for a while and then tell me they're the bad guys not the victims - you don't know what terrorism is unless you've seen or bothered to even read about how some of these communities suffer daily.
Well, one place I can speak about is Chechnya, if not others that you mentioned. The history of the chechen people is fairly old, and quite bloody. The modern situation takes root in Tsarist Russia, with military expeditions into the Caucasus. The chechen people were one of the "conquered" ones, similar to American Indians. Many other peoples, including majority-muslim were annexed into the Russian Empire, and are part of Russia to this day. Fast forward to WW2, the chechens cooperate with the Nazis to fight against the Red Army. After WW2 ends, Stalin deports them to Kazakhstan. After the Soviet Union falls apart, chechens migrate back to their homeland and begin a separatist war.
The chechens are a very special people. They have a cultural doctrine which they are taught from childhood that they are unique. There are chechens, and others: The life of a chechen is important. The life of a non-chechen is worthless. It is acceptable to cheat, steal from, or even kill, a non-chechen. They have lived like that for hundreds of years, even before Islam came to the Caucasus.
The separatist wars that they have fought mirror this quite nicely.
I am sure you've heard of the terrorist acts they've conducted:
And a few others which you can read about on Wikipedia.
In addition to these acts, there is enough war footage to traumatize you for life. Imagine an Iraqi beheading video, and multiply the suffering by ten, done by a Chechen "warrior" to a Russian POW, or anyone non-chechen. I do not have the stomach to even research it.
This is the "suffering" of chechen people that you talk about. A savage culture, self-supported for centuries. Islam only amplifies their savagery. You know it's bad when the neighbouring Sufi-following muslims of Dagestan are opposed to them. If there is any suffering of chechen people, it is self-inflicted.
The irony is that the West is once again being hoisted by their own petard. The west supported Afghani mujahideen. The west supported chechen separatism. I feel very sad for all victims of terrorism, but I have a little bit of schadenfreude (which I hate myself for), that a chechen perpetrated this bombing. Perhaps if the West is willing to stop coveting Russian oil and resources and stop appeasing savage cultures, then something can be done about the problem.
I live in the West, I love the West, but I hope the West wakes up soon.
You know who else is in favor of gun control? One of the suspects (Ok, I'll grant an alternate reading is that he really like cheese). After all, it creates even more of a "target rich environment" when you can be sure those you intend to slaughter cannot resist.
Meanwhile, everyone else in Boston today would all be better of if they were armed, as there is an armed suspect on the loose. The houses that aren't are just potential safe houses for him.
Having a gun for self protection is like wearing a seatbelt. 99% of the time it's totally pointless. But when you need it, you REALLY need it. Further gun control is like trying to place rules around who can wear a seatbelt and when they are allowed to wear it. Just stupid.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I understand what you're saying. My issue is that you're presenting that profiling Muslims as potential terrorists is racist. Calling someone "brown-skinned" or "cracker" is racist. Treating a Muslim (which are clearly differentiated by their choice of clothing) differently at a checkpoint versus others isn't racist. It's discriminatory to their religion, sure, but not racist.
I think you are parsing it wrong. It is not, "news for nerds and stuff that matters". It is "news for nerds (stuff that matters). IOW, it's asserting that nerd news is the only news that matters. Not that Slashdot is a general news site like CNN which just happens to also cover nerd news as well.
The conflict in the north wasn't sectarian, it was civil, and the bombings weren't over religion, they were because of politics, namely the apartheid state being run by the UK, which was hardly a new thing for them (look up the Mau Mau rebellion). The english like to make out that it was all crazy religious conflict rather than a response to a deliberate effort by the british state to purge and terrorise Irish people, but hey, the truth will out. Your loyalists incidentally are now trying to burn pregnant women out of their homes because they have the wrong colour skin, and god help you if you're gay, the Al Quaeda runs under the union jack in Ireland, and always has.
You'd want to wake up.
I rather suspect that is a common experience for immigrants to the USA now
In college I had a number of friends who were immigrants, also in the workplace.
Immigrants have no problem finding friends if they are open to it.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
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Yes. I remember the Oklahoma City bombing well. All the news outlets were saying: "It was probably some nerd!", and "I wouldn't want to be a nerd walking in the streets right now!".
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
As much as I fully agree with your comment that it is unfair to believe that if there is a terrorist attack it must certainly have been caused by muslims, I would also like you to consider the fact that in muslim-dominated countries, practitioners of other religions very often live under serious threat of violence - or to put it another way, under terror imposed upon them by the muslim majority - and no, you can't blame the US, UK or any other country for that. In these nations, muslims are targetting people of their own nationality - other citizens, and forcing them to live in fear.
In many of these nations even just changing your religion is seen as a capital offence. Examples: Pakistan, Maldives, Most countries in the ME, parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. Try taking in a Bible into Saudi Arabia. Forget that - try just *getting* into Mecca as a non-muslim.
So their (muslim) oft-quoted justification that the west is terrorising them and therefore they are just responding does not hold when the people they are attacking have nothing whatsoever to do with the west.
I never determined whether the weather website knew about the terrorist group when they chose that name. It seems like a strange reference to make, but it also seems like a strange name to select in a vacuum.
The primary victims of this episode, will be America's embattled Muslims
That didn't really happen after 9/11, why would it happen now?
People are smart enough to understand the difference between average people and terrorists.
You can see this is the case by the lack of attacks on mosques and other Islamic organizations.
You are trying to make up hate where none exists.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I just happened across a UPI story that our favorite no-such-thing-as-a-former Chekist telegraphed Obama with an offer of investigative assistance. Two days before it became known they were Chechens! Maybe the FSB was sandbagging us? Or just coincidence? I don't know. I just found it ironic. Here's the link: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/04/16/Putin-offers-Obama-aid-in-Boston-Marathon-bombing-investigation/UPI-59841366130396/
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
This is relatively late in the comments so will be missed by everyone but has anhyone noticed how the name of the uncaught guy Dzhokhar is pronounced very close to Joker.
They didn't aim at civilians, oh really?
That's why they bombed a shopping mall in Manchester, and why they bombed pubs, and why they bombed a business district in London.
The Boston attack was more like an IRA attack than it was an Islam attack (I'm not saying it is or isn't either). The hallmarks of an Islamic attack are (1) suicide bombers (2) infatuation with aviation with other public transport as a distant second. This was neither a suicide bombing nor an attack on the transportation network.
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So many distracted fools. I hope you enjoy watching this 'movie' while they pass CISPA, take down precious metals and allow congressmen to insider trade.
Because they do the marathon with 70 pounds on their backs. In fact many in the military will use marathons as training to get up to speed with the real long range movements they have to do in war zones. This is especially true with Special Ops.
The problem is actually shit is so mixed up that anything anti-government agenda anything is labeled as infowars.
There is no truth in the middle ground or non-bias any where left to be had...
But I grantee shit does happen even if its not part of a great conspiracy. Its as annoying to talk to infowars chuckle-heads as imperialist lapdogs about this shit.
It further erodes any checks and balances our form of government had or needs, such as JOURNALISM. Because people are increasingly afraid to say anything politically incorrect on official channels.
The IRA are nationalists. It's a different motivation, no matter how hard you try to pretend otherwise.
i remember someone on the tv news saying that there are evil people in the world. so sad. i've always wanted to visit u.s.a. maybe i'll go to Boston marathon next year to show my support for the runners and u.s.a. need to get a passport or visa.
the interfaith memorial service yesterday was touching.
god bless boston and Massachusetts.
A convenient way of whipping up public anger against Russia as a whole. What's next, saying they need to militarize the borders around Checnya and Russia to protect their freedom? Other countries should engage in the same deceitful politics just like the USA.
What's a nerd?
I thought it was someone that's particularly interested in a field.
How about a fitness nerd?
Or a munitions nerd?
Or a terrorism nerd?
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
Because of campus police like Lt. John Pike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident
Your own link states that students *surounded* the police and *demanded* that those in custody be released. It further states that police ordered people to move and these people *refused*. What I recall from the full videos of the incident is that the police then pepper sprayed those people who refused to move and were *blocking* the path that the police wanted to use to exit the area.
This was *not* police simply walking up to protesters and pepper spraying them. These were people blocking an exit route as police were surrounded.
I know too many pieces of shit who came to the US for opportunistic
reasons, and they do nothing to make their presence in the US a good
thing.
Next week I am going to turn in a few of these pieces of shit, and they
WILL be deported.
Never did a marathon in gear while I was in, but 15 mi (24k) runs with full combat load were a semi-regular part of training. Usually took about 3 hours, IIRC.
At the risk of being insensitive to the fact that the guy is still on the loose, people are scared and there's a very good chance there will be more bloodshed before the day is through:
What are the long term consequences of this? I mean so far "only" four people are dead, but the citizens major city have been told to stay indoors because a Muslim maniac with guns and bombs and possibly a suicide vest is on the loose. I think this is an experience that's going to stick in the popular consciousness for quite a long time.
Chechen, interesting. Methinks we might get more friendly with Russia after this. Also, especially in light of the 4chan debacle (did the Post really run with the photo on the front page? it boggles the mind. When I first saw the 4chan thing last night the first thing I said was I was surprised they hadn't proven Justin Bieber the culprit), Americans may finally come to realize that not all Muslims have brown skin. They may even realize that Iranians are for the most part are not Arab, but I'm not holding my breath.
If they used or later today uses an "assault rifle" (everyone who thinks this is anything other than a laughable political construct please, go educate yourself), the Republicans may finally begin to compromise on the gun thing.
Annnnd, um, I'm not sure what else may come of this.They sounded desperate and without long term plans so hopefully he isn't prepared to go hide out in the woods or something... I cannot begin to fathom the circus we'll experience if this goes on for longer than a day or two.
Regardless, this surely isn't something that will be glossed over in a year or two. I hope they get him alive (interrogation if nothing else), today, without any more bloodshed.
For all their faults, the IRA didn't have anything more than local ambitions - getting the Brits out of Northern Ireland. I'm no admirer of them, but at least, you didn't have the IRA sending terrorists to other countries to create trouble. Same goes for groups like the Tamil Tigers (restricted to Sri Lanka and later, Tamil Nadu, India) and other non-Muslim terror groups. This is not to condone or endorse what they did or do, it's just pointing out that their problem is exclusive to their lands, and that you wouldn't see something like the Boston Marathon bombing happen due to disgruntled Irishmen or Tamils.
That's pretty different from Islamic terror groups. Yeah, they too have local ambitions, but in all of them, their primary motivation is Islam - getting the lands they are targeting rid of Infidels. All the Pali groups - they are about destroying Israel and either enslaving the Jews, or driving them into the sea. The Jihadi terror groups in India - like SIMI, Indian Mujahiddeen - they are all about recreating the Moghul empire and making the whole of India into another Pakistan, and repeating history. The Indonesian Jihadi group - Jemiah Islamiah - is about making Indonesia 100% Muslim. Abu Sayyaf in Philippines has a goal of making Mindanao an exclusively Muslim land, and it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to make the whole of Philippines Muslim as well. The Islamic Party of Turkistan wants to recreate the Timuride empire in the 'stans' and replace the current non-Islamic semi-dictatorships in Central Asia with their own. In India again, Kashmiri Jihadis have completely cleansed Kashmir of Hindus. In China, Uyghar Jihadis are trying to achieve the same thing in Xinxiang. In Bosnia, Serbs & Croats, who were once a significant part of the population, have fled, and in Kosovo too, Albanians have been pushing the Serbs out, and extending the terror into Serbia proper (Sandzak).
Each of these examples taken by itself could be local, but taken together, they paint a very clear picture. One of Muslims trying to get rid of non-Muslims wherever they are. And when one reads Islamic writings, it's pretty obvious where all that bigotry is coming from. Add to that the fact that al Qaeda has affiliations to almost all of the Jihadi groups I mentioned above, except perhaps Shia ones like Hizbullah, and it's no longer a conspiracy theory. Muslims everywhere are only too happy to support jihads by Muslims anywhere.
I come here to get away from non-tech mainstream garbage news. I can go to cnn.com if I want to know about this. STICK TO TECH PLEASE.
But if the goal is to run 42km as fast as you can, you don't carry a backpack.
Fair enough. But it stands to reason that if the goal is to run 42 km as fast as you can with a backpack, you would not leave the backpack at home. Different people have different goals at a marathon. Surviving, completing in 4 hours, completing in 3 hours, etc. Only a tiny little minority are there trying to be first over the finish line.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
Yeah they issued warnings.
So more would die.
YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.
I live in New York. We have a lot of Irish immigrants. From what they tell me, there was a lot of provocation by the British government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
I was in an Irish bar when the IRA killed Lord Mountbatten. The IRA was not popular that evening. I remember the Irish barmaid saying that they killed children and hitting the counter with a beer mug in anger.
There were a lot of killings by both sides. It escalated. I think a sovereign government is in a better position to stop it. Thatcher's tough-guy approach didn't do any good.
How about this as a compromise: tell us concealed permit holders how much training we need to get and we'll do it. I, for one, would not mind at all being required to get more training. However, I think you may find that your average cop (not SWAT) isn't really all that much better trained that your average gun nut. In case you missed the memo, these guys ambushed and killed an MIT cop last night. All the training in the world will not save you from an ambush.
The fact of the matter is, for every Zimmerman out there there are hundreds if not thousands of American cops that have similarly overreacted in the same way this past year. I'm all for gun control and increased training and increased safety measures and background checks and mental health screening and so on, but throwing up your hands and saying everyone who is a cop is a cool headed professional and the rest are dangerous gun nuts is deluded, bordering on fascist (cue the flames.)
You are parsing it to get the definition you want.
It's a challenge, and some PR. The soldiers certainly don't win, but it's pretty impressive to see them jog across the finish line with a big backpack and boots on. There was a guy from my home town who ran it as Elvis. There are usually lots of people who run in costumes.
The point of a marathon usually isn't to finish with the best time, it's to finish.
Their "hike" is more of a jog. And yes, they usually seem to finish mixed in with the non-elite runners.
+1
You can, when everywhere they live - all the major places where they live - are shown to be hellholes. As in the case of Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and so on.
While I don't mind big stories being on /. I've always read it as 'News for nerds' is 'Stuff that matters', rather than 'News for nerds' and 'stuff that matters'
There's no point in talking to Xest. After all, how seriously can you take someone who calls the actions of the US in Afghanistan a crusade... Like Bush got a call from the Pope one day and said "Hey, let's invade Afghanistan!"
I swear that people who talk about those actions either forgot everything before 9/12/2001 or they think that everything that goes on today can be crutched up with 9/11. It's a fantastic way to distort history because so many seem to think in the same way.
Or only selling the 2 quarts model allowed?
Knowing congress and 'being lethal weapon and all'
(/sarcasm off)
It's not a free pass to murder people, but you (as a British citizen) are responsible for the actions of your government. Aren't we always hearing (especially from you Brits) about how the US citizens are responsible for the bad deeds of our government around the globe? Well, you must own yours, too.
The British population largely supported the government's actions in Ireland, so they are responsible for the blowback as well.
Non sequitur. Whether he has a religion or not is tangential to whether Islamic doctrines are a motivation behind what happened.
Unfortunately for you, he said nothing of the sort.
To show support for current and fallen military personnel. There are groups that run the course in full military gear.
So he used the wrong term. Maybe you're not a racist, you're a religist.
The Qur'an is an old book with some pleasant parables, a few decent suggestions and a whole lot of violence, nastiness and plain weird shit. So is the bible, which the Qur'an is based upon. Fortunately, the vast majority of Muslims don't believe it's their duty to kill non-believers any more than the vast majority of Christians believe it's their duty to kill heretics. A few do. They're the bad ones. But hating people just because of the particular major religion they identify themselves with is stupid. Hating everyone from one religion and minimizing the crimes of terrorists from another just because you like it better is even dumber.
I think that was on here before.
http://it.slashdot.org/story/08/01/29/1614206/engineers-have-a-terrorist-mindset
I honestly think a bullet to the head, dump the body, and forget about him would be the best thing to do.
Considering that Muslim is not a race but people who follow the religion Islam, how can someone who does not like Islam be a racist?
Maybe we need a new term. Maybe religionist? If you don't like one religion, you are a religionist.
It's ironic and sad that most of the violence (gunmen let's say) are happening around the most well respected places in our country as of lately.
Who would have thought, of all places, MIT under "lock down".
I don't suppose your religion is also one that shoots abortion doctors, beats up gay men and blew up a lot of stuff in Ireland twenty years ago?
And by "religion" I mean Christianity, not the particular sect you belong to. You've tarred 1.3 billion Muslims with the same brush, it's only fair that you accept responsibility for the crimes of your own religious brothers with the same generality.
If the suspect is carrying explosives and potentially willing to use them in a suicide attack, the distinction between those two basically shrinks to zero. If he is not unconscious or paralyzed, he is either dead or still capable of blowing himself up. You can't shoot to render unconscious without shooting to kill. In theory you could aim for the spinal cord but realistically it's going to boil down to a head shot. Which is unfortunate, because we may never know the full story (including potential accomplices.)
MIT Campus Police are real police, recruited only from among real police departments,
No, actually.
First: There is no such term as "real police"; campus police powers vary greatly. Some can't even give you a traffic ticket, for example ("Chapter 90 powers".)
Second: Collier was not hired from an officer position; he worked in IT for Somerville police, and was hoping to work on the Somerville force from working for MIT. He did, however, go through the Massachusetts police academy.
Please help metamoderate.
I don't suppose your religion is also one that shoots abortion doctors, beats up gay men and blew up a lot of stuff in Ireland twenty years ago?
No
Um, at the very least the religion plays a part to the degree that it influences their culture and their attitudes towards violence. If they grew up Jain, for instance, I rather doubt they would have bombed anything regardless of their politics.
Chechen independeance isn't religious in nature? Argh. You might as well argue that the Palestinian cause is entirely political, with no religious element. Actually I'm sure there are people who do that, just like some people stick their heads in the sand and insist that the Northern Ireland conflicts are strictly political.
The fact that such conflicts have ostensibly non-religious dimensions only serves to illustrate how influential, insidious and all-encompassing the Abrahamic religions tend to be. The religious aspect becomes a given, something one doesn't need to trumpet at every occasion, because everyone in the group already knows all about those evil, insular, freakish Catholics/Protestants/Sunni/Shia/Druze/etc.
I really question the accuracy of those links and/or your interpretation of them. No mention of Corkins and his attack on the FRC at all (not Islamist, but a pro-gay marriage activist)? And if you NEED to look at the "alleged and proven plots" section. Example:
Sami Samir Hassoun
Nidal Hasan
Just to name a few. There's quite a list of Islamic terrorism that appears to be hidden under the guise of "alleged".
Don't forget the IRA and their fundraisers in various US cities, including Boston.
Seriously? The IRA isn't going to attack Boston. There's more Irish here than Dublin.
NRA loving Bible thumpers? They're Liberal Muslims.
Coincidentally, female suicide bombers are actually pretty common in Chechnya, where the bombers are reported either to have originated or had ethnic ties to. There is even a word for it: shahidka.
"My son is a true angel."
Sure he is...
'At the same time he warned that if the US kills his son, "all hell will break loose."'
Oh, really? Is that a threat? Is this guy implying that it's okay for his son to go bomb another country, that he's a "little angel," so if the motherfucker gets killed papa's gonna send some fucking "Caucasus" army in and start a war with the U.S.?
What if the idiot attacks law enforcement officers again instead of surrendering and eventually gets himself killed, is the U.S. automatically at fault because this dick decides to keep playing with bombs? What if he in in fact wearing a suicide vest, and his death is a direct result of that--will all hell still break loose, or will they finally realize that the dipshit brought it on himself?
Indeed. You don't hear too many stories about "geeks" getting blown up.
I (in common with many Brits as I once was) have always had sympathy for the IRA's cause.
But never their methods.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Brian Ross would be so proud of you.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Muslims and leftists generally don't like the NRA and the tea party
Pardon the off-topic post, Basil, but as you seem to be quite comfortable in the recent past in painting with broad brush strokes in other topics (re: Libertarians/Republicans/gun owners for example), it's very strange to see you be so cautious in tiptoeing around group responsibility/group blame in this case. Is this a change towards a more sensible view that we should expect in the future or a continuation of cognitive dissonance?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
All right wing extremists are oblivious to their unmistakable similiarities with their enemy of the week. I would daresay that the obliviousness is the key factor that perpetuates the movement; massive amounts of propaganda from news sources provide their talking points while they take their strategies directly from whoever they are hating at the moment.
No one anywhere to the left of the center would paint every muslim as evil and intolerant. I don't believe you for a minute.
Here is an excerpt from the wikipedia entry on race.
"Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation."(empashis mine).
Cognitive dissonance still doesn't mean what you think it does.
You do know how Wikipedia works don't you? If you see inaccuracy, fix it.
if i cared to read this crap i would go to cnn
What I don't understand, and excuse my ignorance, is not only how the entire city was literally shut down (can you legally keep people off the street?), but how it appeared to me that police were systematically going from door to door and SEARCHING houses. Is that legal!??!
Congratulations on proving to all of us that you enjoy sucking Alex Linder's filthy cock.
Fucking antisemitic piece of trash.
And in case anybody starts feeling sorry for the hunted and soon to be deceased Mr. Tsarnaev Jr., just remember this picture: http://media.tumblr.com/3ee5f3e27917c83a3810cd688da60817/tumblr_inline_mlhg426NpU1qz4rgp.png
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
"...suicide is forbidden in the bible. "
HAHAHahahah. aren't you cute.
YOu are a non thinking fundlmentalist, and in case you disagree, there is a chek list!
Top 10 ways to tell if you are a Fundamentalist Idiot. from - http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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Well there was the one guy who flew a plane into a building, he just sucked at being a terrorist.
well, if they happen then clearly everything is one. Brilliant logical leap, Sherlock.
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The gallery is down now, but couple of photos in it were of him with his girlfriend.
So, not friendless. No American friends.
" Was their aim to kill and amim at random? No "
yes, yes it was. There are no specific bombs. By their nature the maim and kill.
All that 'nice' bombing started happen as their funding dried up.
You are a racist because you lump all Muslims together.
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irrelevant they were still terrorist, the fact that they had a cause doesn't change that.
The Irony here is that people forget it was a religious war, but get all purple in the face when they hear 'muslim'.
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The movie you offer is the 1 minute fragment that distorts what occurred. Here is a 15 minute video that gives a much better perspective on what happens. A large group of students decided to march on the spot where those in custody were being detained. Note the group chant of "If you let them go, we will let you leave".
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/UC-Davis-Pepper-Spray-Incident-What-Really-Happened
The individuals on the path weren't the source of danger. The larger crowd around chanting for the people in custody to be released were the danger. The people on the path sillily decided to block the exit.
"Read the Qur'an and listen to the words of Muslim clerics and you will see how anyone who believes in tolerance, equality, justice for all, and freedom of expression should oppose Islam"
I have, it's no better or worse then any version of the christian bible, something n else I have read it totality...twice.(KJV)
You are playing cute becasue you are trying to squirm around with the meaning of race. Either you are a fucking moron, or you now damn well he is talking about you view on Muslim.
You are categorizing all Muslims based on the acts of a few. Instead of using you energy to help Muslims trapped in extreme theocratic regime , you label them all as the same.
You are a stupid,. lazy coward, and nothing more.
Learn to think.
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to ease the American population into accepting military and police roaming their neighborhoods, searching, etc;
http://imgur.com/a/Asgdb#31
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
Say that to the 100s of thousands of bystander who were kill from the US crusade?
What do you think people who see US politicians constantly praising the christian god of (peace and love) and then bombing their children think?
More people have been kill by christian Americans, following the orders of the Christian leader in the last 20 years then any terrorist organization hiding behind the Muslim faith as an excuse for violence.
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Your video conveniently omits events prior to the pepper spraying. A large group of students marching to the spot where those in custody are being detained. Chant of "If you let them go, we will let you leave".
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/UC-Davis-Pepper-Spray-Incident-What-Really-Happened
My, aren't memories short. There was the Sikh Temple massacre in Wisconsin which was carried out by a white supremacist- that was last year, and killed 6 (that's more than the Boston bombs so far, incidentally- although it's not exactly a competition, and the number of injuries in Boston more than make up for it). James vonn Brunn was a far-right extremist and neo-Nazi with connections with both the BNP and British National Front (both extreme-right organisations)- I'm not sure why you discount him as "pro-socialist". I don't think Dorner really counts as a terrorist as much as a regular old murderer- but if we're counting things on that scale, there are dozens of right-wing nut-jobs to join him. Jim Adkisson managed to kill two in 2008 after writing a manifesto promising to kill "Democrats, liberals and gays". James Kopp went on a series of shooting sprees, motivated principally by anti-abortion sentiments. Or there are the number of murders carried out by the Christian terrorist group Army of God, targeting doctors connected with abortion procedures. And lets not forget the Oklahoma City bombing.
I'm not aware of any genuinely left-wing terrorist movements in the United States, although of course they do exist elsewhere.
Islamist terrorists are plenty bad, but only an idiot assumes that they're the be-all-and-end-all of terrorism in the United States. They're just the trendy new kids on the block, who happened to hit the jackpot with the absurdly effective 9/11 attacks.
(Sorry for late reply, afk)
The shah is a good example, yes. Of a western backed brutal regime, without which it might not have been possible for fundamentalist tendencies to take hold as they did. Similar story for similar places though, some to this day. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Quwait, Egypt, Pakistan.
Now again, I'm not in any way defending these horrible acts. But the idea that they are purely religious acts, as some suggest/believe, is plainly and obviously mistaken.
Gosh, thanks. That must be why the other ships call me Meatfucker -- GCU Grey Area (Eccentric)
That's a pretty weak list, for example it's missing the terrorist attacks committed by the US. Blowing up neighborhoods and killing 100, 000 civilians isn't terror, then nothing is.
You are a bigot, you are ignorant of the thing you hate(surprise), and you are the antithesis of a peaceful society.
You are no different them people who wanted black to remain slaves, women to remain property, and take rights away from gay couples.
You don't know how to think critically, and for that, I pity you and your ilk.
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FYI, the IRA has nothing to do with religion. It's an uprising against British rule in Ireland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army
I understand it's fashionable on /. these days to equate religion with terrorism, but really, read a little before you spout off nonsense like this.
I get the feeling that, unfortunately, 4chan is receiving the heat for the speculating on suspects rather than the news paper not checking facts.
"...suicide is forbidden in the bible. " HAHAHahahah. aren't you cute.
YOu are a non thinking fundlmentalist, and in case you disagree, there is a chek list!
Oh, the irony. First of all, it is spelled fundamentalist and "checklist". Fundamentalism in Christianity is about following reading the bible WITHOUT heavily interpreting things which are not presented as "parables". Liberal theology, on the other hand, is about liberally reinterpreting parts of the bible, ignoring large sections and taking things out of context. The great irony is that you just quoted some stupid top ten list that you found on the internet.
Top 10 ways to tell if you are a Fundamentalist Idiot. from - http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
You are a bit confused. There is no specific requirement to actively/vigorously deny the existence of other powers but only to worship the one true god and to believe that the god of the bible is above every other god. So essentially, you are to just consider them irrelevant and not worthy of worship. Try reading a bible for yourself some time.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
I think you are a bit confused. You are dehumanizing yourself because you cannot believe that you are not insignificant in the greater scheme of things and that god cares about you. You want to make yourself feel small and worthless for some reason.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
You laugh at the Triune god but have no problem with the concept of the id, ego and superego. You also seem to have no problem with the concept that a family is considered a unit and yet they are composed of more than one "person".
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
They were killed because the pharaoh has previously killed all of the first born Jewish babies except for Moses. Apparently, you are ok with the atrocities that were happening all of the time at that time right? It was a "war" against a people who had sinned against god.
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
You obviously have not read the bible yourself seriously. It was prophesied in the old testament to happen the way it happened. The entire bible talks about Jesus. The "lord" of the old testament is Jesus. Whenever the lord appeared as a man, that was the son of man, aka Jesus.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
I don't waste my time with that crap. You are the one obsessed with it. It is irrelevant either way but I don't just blindly trust what some guy says.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
since nobody else has yet.
Those only come about relatively recently as everyone once to jump no the 'nerds are cool' bandwagon.
They are not nerds.
Of 'dork' became popular in the media that would all be calling them selves [mything] dorks.
They are are leeches and hangers on, they are people who need to identify with the cool thing in the media, they are people we could use a lot less of.
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It's not my job to fix your citations. It's enough that I point out that you were citing inaccurate sources AND misinterpreting them to boot. I did so clearly and with examples. Since your statements no longer had any support it's up to you to either provide other sources or let your argument die on the vine.
You do know how debates/arguments work, don't you?
OK, I need to address this. /., and the Boston bombing is of that magnitude.
Some events are really huge. I don't have a problem with them appearing on
HOWEVER, using 'Stuff that matters' to any story means /. might as well be CNN. /., it's covered everywhere.
The follow up to the story isn't needed on
By the working, it's 'stuff that matters' in regards to the 'news for nerds'.
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I'll try to clear a bit of that up. Some soldiers, even when off-duty, love to be seen in their uniforms. They are proud of who they are, the organization that they serve, and want everyone to know it.
They also make damn fine pussy magnets.
Who's terrorists? They're both terrorists -- the British soldiers who killed 26 peaceful protesters, and the IRA who fought back.
Islam is a religion, not a race; membership in Islam is a choice, and it proclaims itself to be a single, unified community with no divisions. Islam has a specific set of moral, religious, and legal teachings. One of these teachings is that I should be killed because I reject Allah. You think people aren't justified in criticizing Islam?
Are the diverse members of an ideology collectively responsible and collectively to blame for the actions of a subset of that group, or are they not? Or is it determined on a case by case basis dependent on our mood and prejudices?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
The Weather Underground, Numerous animal rights and eco groups, Black Panthers, May 19th......that was about 20 seconds of thought. I'm sure there are more.
"So which would you rather have today, a $20 bill or the amount of gold that such a bill would have bought in 1913?"
To have personally acquired either one I would have to be considerably older than 100 years old today. Yuck. So respectfully the answer is no.
To accept hypothetically-offered economic woudja-rather gifts fronted by those trying to illustrate trended price conversions between two time periods is in violation of the Temporal Prime Directive and the 2250 Temporal Treaty of Algernon.
Such choices were / will be discovered to influence the entire time line between the two cited moments in time, encouraging the least desirable social consequences like reckless hoarding and obssessive economyopia syndrome.
Why is it your duty to observe a treaty that will not be ratified for another 237 years??
Well, clever isn't it.
<blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
Prove it.
Who wouldn't spring with light steps to a bombing spree once the Loyalists have put few nails into the brothers knee?
Who wouldn't embrace themselves with a bomb vest once the Allied have put a few bombs to the weddings for a test?
The answer my fried, is blowing in the history, like a foreign policy that is appalling for eternity.
I agree with you. It is just too many people seem to have this impression that this site is exclusively for nerdy matters. They fail to even consider that a story may just be important enough to qualify as stuff that matters.
Personally I love to see the large news stories here for a number of reasons.
The commentors tend to report in from other areas of the web that I don't visit. Reddit, 4-Chan, other specialized blogs.
I have never seen a better comment section then Slashdot's The moderations tend to average out pretty fair, the comment threading makes reading huge sections of comments do able. Try going to CNN or Newsvine. You will see replies that have to reference the comment number or the person they are replying to. Then you have to scroll up/down perhaps even go to the next/previous page of comments just to get some context. And threading? Good luck even getting one level of threading.
That and I enjoy seeing the opinion of other geeks. You can often enough find a decent back and forth conversation that actually adds to the story. A number of the convos have changed my mind on certain things. Go to CNN and greater then 50% of the comments are pure troll. I usually get a little queasy just trying to read more then a page of those comments.
For those reasons I will defend a lot of the "offtopic" stories that get posted.
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
When I said that the bombing was the work of the MUSLIMS my comment was modded down to the basement
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3663921&cid=43488935
When people tried to JUSTIFY the killing in the Boston Marathon and I objected to that asinine notion, again my comment was modded down to the basement
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3663921&cid=43489101
When someone claimed that I have a problem with Islam and I countered that it was ISLAM WHICH HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE WORLD, you know what ? That comment too was modded down to the basement
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3663921&cid=43490981
Now ... the truth is out !!
IT WAS THE MUSLIMS AFTER ALL !!!
Just like I've stated earlier !!!
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The Jews don't attack civilians.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam
You want real news, listen to the police scanners in Boston.
Although that is no longer displayed on the site....
usually the military hikers are not officially bibbed runners.
so they don't start with the runners and aren't timed.
at the boston marathon this week for instance, i started with the first wave, 3rd corral (so very up front, 3 of 27 corrals) and i passed many military already long hiking. so they must have started long before the official start.
they usually finish far, far, far behind the elite, far behind the serious amateurs, far behind the casual runners, well into the charity runners.
They gonna kill / arrest two muslims(after death or in guantanomo - they will be unable to SPEAK and clear their names).
http://www.infowars.com/photos-private-military-operatives-hired-to-work-the-boston-marathon-with-black-backpacks-radiation-detectors-tactical-gear/
You got modded down so much that your posts showed up as 0? Big fucking deal, posting as AC your posts show up as 0. More likely you're just frightened of having your real opinions connected with your actual name.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Suspect #1 - Dead
Suspect #2 - In Custody
God Bless America!
those who do not study history force the rest of us to watch them repeat it.
GP is wrong in painting all Muslims with the same brush, but he's right that there is a specific subset of Muslims who are "some horrible group of people far worse than anyone else". Look up Wahhabism on Wikipedia. Look up Salafism, too. That's the source of the vast majority of terrorist acts in the last two decades or so.
And yes, while the ideology itself is fairly old, it was largely propped up by 1) Saudi oil money (and the willingness of US to look the other way), and 2) CIA co-operating with ISI specifically to boost radical Islamism - meaning Salafi/Wahhabi - as a tool in the fight against the USSR, starting in Afghanistan. So you're right that Muslims themselves are also victims here; but regardless of that, the problem exists and it has a name.
You are wrong, my politics are probably slightly left of centre. Read the Qur'an and listen to the words of Muslim clerics and you will see how anyone who believes in tolerance, equality, justice for all, and freedom of expression should opose Islam
I suppose that is the american political scale, where Ghengis Khan defines the "center"?
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
I thought we were talking about the last couple of decades. The Black Panthers haven't committed any acts of terrorism in that time that I recall. The Weather Underground were certainly terrorists, but haven't been active since the late 70s (35 years ago). Eco groups might well be active, but have they really committed any acts of genuine terrorism in the last 2 decades, in which people were killed or badly injured (or an attempt to do so)?
In the case of the Black Panthers, being nasty and having a distasteful political ideology doesn't make you automatically terrorists.
Prove it.
What do you want me to do, Muzzie? Curse Jesus or burn a bible or something?
You did nothing to show inaccuracy, you just claimed it.
And even if the one or two you objected to were incorrect it wouldn't change the point of the disparity on quantity.
But I note that your priority is winning pissing contests rather than the truth, otherwise you would have fixed the inaccuracy on Wikipedia.
It depends whether the actions follow from the ideology, or are coincidental.
Take for example Northern Ireland. The terrorism there was about sovereignty, not the Catholic religion. It all dates back to a botched Irish independence and a military massacre of Irish civilians by British military. So no rational person holds Catholics per se responsible for terrorism.
On the other hand, right wing atrocities, such as the ones by Timothy McVey, and Anders Breivik were driven by their right wing ideology, and was not coincidental.
The Middle Eastern terrorism belongs in the same camp as Northern Irish terrorism. The reasons are ones of reaction to imperialism not religion. Their religion is coincidental.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture-after-9-11-nonpartisan-review-concludes.html?pagewanted=all
the Boston Bombings are a Blag-Flag event designed to take away your 4th amendment rights and miranda rights ...of huning down a terrorist....
under the premise & feeble excuse
Thsi 19year old frightened kid...was fitted up... ...and within 10-30 metres of the finish line....
on the Info wars channel...it can clearly be seen that SEAL teams...Black-ops and Blackwater teams where active on the day of the bombing
SEAL ops wearing the "back-packs" as the alledged bomber
When questioned about this the muppet negro clown mayor and his well trained lap-dogs ..... refused to answer the Indfo Wars reporters questions about their being several bomb drills that day...
USA dumb public...sleep walking into a facist & military controlled Police State...while cheering the Police....who are the real enemy of the public ...no wonder your a hated race
pathetic Americans
I referred specifically to your blanket statements regarding Libertarians/Republicans/gun owners in the recent past. These too represent ideologies with diverse membership. Your above reply is deflection to a different debate entirely, but nonetheless brings up an appropriate point. Catholics and Muslims as a whole should not shoulder the blame for the extremists among them, and rightly so. My question was whether this means such understanding will also be extended to Libertarians/Republicans/gun owners, because in your past commentary it has not.
I admire your defense of Muslims in the face of prejudiced comments, especially since, by your speech (use of the 3rd person), I assume you are not Muslim. It takes a person of integrity to do this. I am not wholly in the Libertarian camp, nor am I a Republican or a gun owner, and I too have come to their defense in the face of prejudiced comments. It seems you have joined my side, and I wanted to know whether it was permanent change or done out of convenience.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
No indeed. I'm an atheist and try to treat all religions with the same casual disdain, rather than hatred.
I referred specifically to your blanket statements regarding Libertarians/Republicans/gun owners in the recent past.
Libertarians and republicans I disagree with politically but don't hold them responsible for violence and terrorism. Pro gun people on the other hand I do. They value their toys over the safety of others.
Most of the pro-gun people are also either libertarian or Republican so whilst I may be attacking Libertarians/Republicans/Tea-baggers on the issue, it's because of their pro-gun views.
Now if a Muslim were to come here to express pro-gun views they too would feel the sharp end of my tongue.
That was a rather funny response, but seriously if someone offered you an ounce of gold for $20 bill, I'm fairly certain you would take it. My point was that people who advocate the purchase of gold know that in the long term the price of gold in terms of dollars or other fiat currencies has never gone down. Gold is a good means of preserving wealth, but not for deriving income from such wealth.
A sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality.
Wow. Just wow.
Walk with blinders much? Do you even pay attention to the conversations of which you participate?
It was claimed:
"Now look at the list of terror attacks in 2012"
To which you responded with several citations to counter the original posters position. Then you summarized with the following:
"If you guess every terrorism attack in the USA is Islamic, you're going to be wrong more often than you are right."
I pointed out both the inaccuracies of your source AND how you misinterpreted the data. I suggested you look at the entire "alleged" section to see just how many were in fact Islamic based (which would make him right more often than wrong).
Your response was to ignore your failure to make your point and suggest I go "fix" your source material. Again, that's not my job. You made a claim and backed it up with faulty information. You need to either let your argument die or come up with better source material. Please note I'm ignoring the back-handed insult fashion in which you presented your "suggestion" to fix the wiki. Real classy by the way.
You want to suggest my 'priority is winning pissing contests rather than the truth'? Really? You are ignoring the 'truth' that your position has no foundation -- and in fact, the inverse is strongly suggestive of being accurate using your OWN sources (if one actually takes the time to interpret the data presented). What a pretentious prat.
I'll keep "pissing" with my eyes open, you keep walking down the street with blinders on spitting at anyone who tells you to look left, right or tries to warn you not to step in your own filth.
Ah no. The IRA were terrorists. The British soldiers may have committed a crime, but they weren't terrorists.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Depends on how you define terrorists. The IRA maintained that they had declared a state, and they were state actors, therefore not terrorists.
I think the term "terrorist" is too political to use in most debates.
My point was that people who advocate the purchase of gold know that in the long term the price of gold in terms of dollars or other fiat currencies has never gone down. Gold is a good means of preserving wealth, but not for deriving income from such wealth.
Excellent point on wealth versus income, I see you know your balance sheet. I was soul-searching to discover why gold-over-time comparisons tickle my funny bone, aside from being generally perverse. Not so savvy as Karl Denninger who has his reasons to be bearish on gold as an investment or plaything. As one who has never owned any gold or even more than a fistful of dollars I don't implicitly trust either, so I find it easy to make light of the choices that people of wealth are facing right now.
While pondering the dollar and gold I grew bored and made a sandwich, and contemplated that instead. Bread you can sink your teeth into, and throughout history love of it has transcended love of fiat money and precious metal.
Looking into bread vs. gold, I found this, "it is said that an ounce of gold bought 350 loaves of bread in the time of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, who died in 562 BC" (cited here)
Fascinating! What if you view bread itself as the exchange pivot plotted against on gold (for the US via the dollar)? A quick search did not reveal anyone who had done it, so I gathered gold fixes and one-pound-loaf statistics for the hundred years of 1913-2012 and created a gold:bread ratio. How many loaves/pounds of bread 'buys' an ounce of gold. Here is my resulting chart and data.
So in 1913 the gold:bread ratio was ~337.9 which is comparable to Nebuchadnezzar's time. It stayed more or less in the same magnitude until the 1971 Nixon Shock when gold heads through the roof. Bread rises steadily but gold's rise is meteoric.
1980 is the worst-ever year for bread, with ~1,281 loaves to purchase an ounce of gold. We're so used to seeing things from the dollar/gold point of view but 1970 and 2001 were really great years for bread, with gold purchasing power twice what it had in Babylon.
Then we went to war and everything went to hell. But the gold:bread chart does offer one surprise: even though gold is massive right now, the actual gold:bread ratio is similar to what it was in 1980 before it started to fall.
So what we need right now is a Reganomics sandwich.
<blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
Sure, my point was though that there are also groupings of just about any religion (and even atheism when you consider sections of the far right) who also fall under that same category.
The problem is he isn't just singling out violent groups, but is focussing entirely on Islam as a whole and it's that that fundamentally separates him from being someone examining the genuine problem of violent subgroupings of Islam and someone whose pursuing the far right mindset without any degree of rationality.
I have no problem with people focussing on violent groups, but to just write off 1.3bn people as terrorists requires a certain degree of mental retardation.
I'm very happy with both the point I made and to use Wikipedia as evidence. Indeed academics have studied Wikipedia and found it to be more accurate than printed encyclopedias.
You allege Wikipedia is wrong. It's not my job to check out your claim, and I haven't. As I said if you believe Wikipedia is wrong, fix it. If you don't it makes no difference to my point nor my evidence.
Both self-righteous religious murderers.???
the CIA Mossad & Mi6 you mean ..or do you suffer from selective amnesia
Hey, pretty nice you did a lot of work! Since most people exchange their time for things they need, like bread, an interesting study would be how long a person on average would have to work in order to earn a loaf of bread. I instinctively feel that at least in the US most people today are better off on that score. In the end, money, including the gold form of money is only an intermediary. It could be interesting to do this study for other basic commodities, such as housing, transportation, communication, medical etc. in terms of hours needed to work in order to obtain a years worth of these things.
A sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality.
James vonn Brunn: FrontPage Magazine has a rundown, although perhaps slanted. From his own words, he was anti-capitalist and pro socialism, but I'd accept an argument the was more plain crazy than left wing. Here are some addtional examples of people initially speculated to be right wing that weren't. Out of the 8 examples, 5 were arguably left wing. From your examples, white supremacism doesn't really fit cleanly on a left/right axis, and really, left/right is inadequate but I was responding to someone using that axis. Anti-abortion is usually right wing, but not always.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
LOL,..so the boss of ferrari,,,LAmborgihni..Rolls Royce...Leonardo da Vinci ...Tesla..Marconi...General Electric. Pratt & Whitney.... are all terrorists ???
haha haha haha haha
you idiot
That is taking a very strict view of "right wing" and a very liberal view of "left wing". It is generally accepted that fascism falls on the right of the left/right spectrum, if anywhere. Fascism commonly uses "socialist" as a phrase to describe itself, due to it's focus on syndicalism and/or corporatism, and it's focus on "strength in unity" nationalism. It is also generally considered anti-capitalist. The use of the phrase "socialist" by fascists is generally considered to be almost completely unrelated, in a philosophical sense, to the common usage of "socialism" to refer to the ideology derived from or related to Marxism. To quote Brunn himself:
WESTERN SOCIALISM, unlike Marxism/Communism and Capitalism, emanates not from Reason alone but from the ETHOS OF THE WEST. It expresses the instinctive and Intuitive feelings UNIQUE to the Aryan Nation. Its Idea is the Musketeers' cry: “One for All and All for One!” The ingathering of the White Nation-States into ONE CULTURAL ORGANISM — its own territory and its own State in which to house, protect, and nurture the Nation — precludes Marxist inspired class warfare and hate-struggles between its component parts. The ECONOMY springs from the CULTURE. MONEY becomes merely a tool, a means of exchange, a storage of value — not an ILLUMINATI weapon.”
So that would be the anti-Marx, corporatist use of the term "socialism" usually attributed to fascism. Mixed with a good dose of the crazies.
Contrary to the common view, left/right is not synonymous with socialism/capitalism. "Left wing" is a term that is generally taken to include socialism, communism, social anarchism, anarcho-syndaclism, and the green movement- which are all pretty much mutually exclusive and not directly related to each other. "Right wing" at the very least includes free market capitalism, fascism, theocracy and monarchism- again, generally mutually exclusive, nor directly related.
I would dispute fascism being right wing. I wouldn't really place it on the left either. Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy. Just because it is commonly believed doesn't make it true. On economic policy, they were more left than right, but that isn't their sole determining characteristic. Deciding where exactly to place them is a pointless argument in the first place.
In any event, my original point, that mass murderers aren't more likely to be right wing, still holds true. I used the term 'arguably' for the people on that list I linked to for a reason, because it usually isn't clear even with significant markers one way or the other.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari