I've seen a satellite taken picture of a man reading newspaper at the east germany streetcorner and you can read recognize paper, headlines and pictureframes so that you know then what date that picture was taken.
I'm pretty sure you haven't. You may have seen such a picture taken from a plane, but not from a satellite.
Why do you think you can ignore the intention of the photographer so easily? Now, you can have any number of reasons for taking a picture of a cow. What reasons do the people who take pictures of child models have?
I wasn't accusing you, per se, of anything at all.
As I have already said elsewhere in this thread, the photographs that I believe you are referring to (i.e. clothed children posing for photographs) are not illegal but they seem to offend you or make you feel uneasy. That is YOUR problem. Seek help, now. Because the world is full of children, and old people, and teenagers, and disabled people. They exist. Please get used to sharing your world with them because if you carry on the way you are doing then they may not wish to share their's with you.
But if people look at photographs of clothed children and imagine them to be erotic images designed to arouse pedophiles then they should seek help. Ok, read that article I linked, and tell me what those pictures of clothed children were, if they were not erotic images designed to arouse pedophiles.
No, I don't believe that this is pornography because those who were claiming that it was were quoting their own laws and not the law that applies in this case i.e.Swedish. How about you go say that to those who claim that, then, and not to me?
I suspect that TPB are taking prudent measures but, as soon as they have received the appropriate legal advice, the images will be back. They nuked a whole user account, including said account's torrents that were not child-model material. Seems a little bit more like panicked damage control than prudence to me. Don't expect those torrents to be back anytime soon. I'm thinking they finally realized how much damage this could do to their cause if they let it go on.
I'm opposed to internet blocklists of all kinds. For that very reason, I would much prefer to see sites voluntarily remove things like these so we don't give anyone an excuse to set them up. The Pirate Bay was very well aware of these torrents and that people were complaining about them, but chose not to remove them. They have removed them now that the matter has gotten them into this much trouble. If they had done so in the first place we wouldn't have this mess.
A news report from 2001 regarding the situation in the US is irrelevant.
That was an example to demonstrate that this is not about innocent photos of children. It's about photos created for the express purpose of profiting off pedophiles. You keep accusing me of being some kind of sicko who thinks all pictures of children are evil. That link was an example of what this is really about.
Perhaps TPB are being prudent or, perhaps as a result of their checks they have ascertained that the links might be child pornography.
That was the list of torrents by a single user. It had both underage-model torrents and regular warez torrents. They nuked it all. It's a pretty blatant knee-jerk damage-control action.
It has been brought to their attention, they might have made checks, and they have made a decision.
Others have claimed to have brought this to their attention before, and that they took no action then.
Then why can't you just ignore the content you feel is objectionable? Because I am opposed to girls being exploited for the gratification of pedophiles?
I am told they have been repeatedly told about this material before, and chosen to do nothing about it. Only now that they're getting a whole lot of unwanted attention over it did they suddenly quickly disappear.
Quickly disappear, after they said they know nothing about any child porn on their site.
I specifically stated that it wasn't outright pornography, at least not in a legal sense. Secondly, your definition of pornography probably doesn't accord with the definition used by other countries. So are you saying that you think this is pornography?
I also believe that many pedophiles will download such files for their own gratification. Punish the pedophiles. They have broken no law, and I would support no law that would ban that.
I am simply saying that The Pirate Bay should have used some common sense and deleted the torrents when people complained about them. Choosing to do nothing then, and then acting like they don't know anything about this when the police use it to get back at them, is pretty dishonest. Add to that the fact that they just now deleted a whole lot of those torrents, and their behaviour is pretty weasely.
I'm opposed to internet blocklists of all kinds. For that very reason, I would much prefer to see sites voluntarily remove things like these so we don't give anyone an excuse to set them up. The Pirate Bay was very well aware of these torrents and that people were complaining about them, but chose not to remove them. They have removed them now that the matter has gotten them into this much trouble. If they had done so in the first place we wouldn't have this mess.
Is the postal service fighting for pedophile rights when they deliver legal but objectionable content?
No, because they are not allowed to know what it is they are delivering. Pirate Bay, however, does. And they were told about it by their users, and they chose to do nothing about it. That is, do nothing until just a couple of minutes ago, when a whole lot of these torrents suddenly disappeared! Funny how that worked out. I guess facilitating the sharing of any content which is legal is only worth it until it starts attracting unwanted attention.
Yes, as in reading http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,45346,00.htm l. Later, I have run sites that let people on the internet upload images. I quickly learned that if you don't crack down on these people, they will quickly start overrunning your site.
Yeah, I'm sure some guy is sitting around posting renamed Metallica tracks renamed as if they were borderline child porn. That makes a whole lot of sense.
If you really think so, how about you download them and prove it to the rest of us deluded fools?
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They have removed lots of stuff. They aren't exactly trumpeting that particular fact in their public grandstanding, though.
: thepiratebay.org/user/achim106/+http://thepirateba y.org/user/achim106/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 for instance.
Try comparing http://thepiratebay.org/user/achim106/ and
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:B5kqltngQjcJ
I tried submitting a more balanced third-party article about this earlier, but apparently it's not interesting to Slashdot unless it's spin.
I've seen a satellite taken picture of a man reading newspaper at the east germany streetcorner and you can read recognize paper, headlines and pictureframes so that you know then what date that picture was taken.
I'm pretty sure you haven't. You may have seen such a picture taken from a plane, but not from a satellite.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=246745&cid=197 81989
If there were indeed girls being exploited, why the hell don't the police investigate that instead of trying to hide the evidence by blocking PB?
Because not all exploitation is illegal, and even if it was, they're the Swedish police.
By "model" shots I presume you mean they are not naked, and the pictures are legal, and by "exploited" I assume you mean you find htem disquieting.
By "exploited" I mean the girls are tricked into doing this.
Why do you think you can ignore the intention of the photographer so easily? Now, you can have any number of reasons for taking a picture of a cow. What reasons do the people who take pictures of child models have?
All right, if it's so obvious, how about you summarize the answer for me?
Hit a nerve, did I?
Because even though we have unimaginable processing power now, open source programmers are still using software from the eighties to write their code.
So why were they taken? To entertain the girl?
You completely dodged the question, and you seem awfully afraid of it since you now have to declare the discussion closed.
I'll just try asking you again:
What are those pictures of clothed children, if they are not erotic images designed to arouse pedophiles?
A news report from 2001 regarding the situation in the US is irrelevant.
That was an example to demonstrate that this is not about innocent photos of children. It's about photos created for the express purpose of profiting off pedophiles. You keep accusing me of being some kind of sicko who thinks all pictures of children are evil. That link was an example of what this is really about.
Perhaps TPB are being prudent or, perhaps as a result of their checks they have ascertained that the links might be child pornography.
That was the list of torrents by a single user. It had both underage-model torrents and regular warez torrents. They nuked it all. It's a pretty blatant knee-jerk damage-control action.
It has been brought to their attention, they might have made checks, and they have made a decision.
Others have claimed to have brought this to their attention before, and that they took no action then.
I am told they have been repeatedly told about this material before, and chosen to do nothing about it. Only now that they're getting a whole lot of unwanted attention over it did they suddenly quickly disappear.
Quickly disappear, after they said they know nothing about any child porn on their site.
I am simply saying that The Pirate Bay should have used some common sense and deleted the torrents when people complained about them. Choosing to do nothing then, and then acting like they don't know anything about this when the police use it to get back at them, is pretty dishonest. Add to that the fact that they just now deleted a whole lot of those torrents, and their behaviour is pretty weasely.
I'm opposed to internet blocklists of all kinds. For that very reason, I would much prefer to see sites voluntarily remove things like these so we don't give anyone an excuse to set them up. The Pirate Bay was very well aware of these torrents and that people were complaining about them, but chose not to remove them. They have removed them now that the matter has gotten them into this much trouble. If they had done so in the first place we wouldn't have this mess.
Lots of "Underage model _____.torrent", "Underage models ___ and ___ strip each other down.torrent", and so on.
That's a whole lot of words.
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Turns out that while you were writing that, The Pirate Bay removed all those torrents. Gee, I wonder why?
And here, have some more words: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2001/07/4
Is the postal service fighting for pedophile rights when they deliver legal but objectionable content?
No, because they are not allowed to know what it is they are delivering. Pirate Bay, however, does. And they were told about it by their users, and they chose to do nothing about it. That is, do nothing until just a couple of minutes ago, when a whole lot of these torrents suddenly disappeared! Funny how that worked out. I guess facilitating the sharing of any content which is legal is only worth it until it starts attracting unwanted attention.
Yes, as in reading http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,45346,00.htm l. Later, I have run sites that let people on the internet upload images. I quickly learned that if you don't crack down on these people, they will quickly start overrunning your site.
that is dumbest, most full of bullshit argument on the subject I've seen yet.
Yes, I agree, which is why I never made it. You seem to have mostly made that up.
Yeah, I'm sure some guy is sitting around posting renamed Metallica tracks renamed as if they were borderline child porn. That makes a whole lot of sense.
If you really think so, how about you download them and prove it to the rest of us deluded fools?