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Google Maps Shows Chinese Nuclear Sub Prototype
mytrip writes "An image of what could be one of China's new nuclear ballistic missile submarines is available on the Google Maps and Google Earth satellite-image site, a defense blogger claimed Tuesday. The satellite picture was discovered by Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project for the Federation of American Scientists, and announced Tuesday on his blog. Kristensen believes the picture, taken by the Quickbird satellite late last year, reveals China's new Jin-class, or Type 094, nuclear ballistic missile sub. The new sub class is approximately 35 feet longer than its predecessor, the Xia-class, also known as Type 092, according to two images Kristensen compares on the blog. The Jin-class sub has an extended midsection that houses 12 missile tubes and part of the reactor compartment, Kristensen explains."
The have the Xia and the Jin class submarines. As long as they don't go Super-XiaJin, we should be ok. /who needs karma..
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That the the family of the guy in charge of security just got a bill for a single 9mm round?
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So is it true that they have screen doors?
A massive explosion has been detected at 3849'4.40"N, 12129'39.82"E. Further information as it becomes available.
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And if you zoom in even closer, you can just make out Kevin Bankston taking a smoke break on the coning tower.
having google maps during the cuban missle crisis or the cold war would've been bad ass...
"dude....call JFK...I think I see a launcher!"
*goes back to playing pong*
China is gonna be pissed.
If this is the kind of thing you can dig up with unclassified satellite imagery, imagine what classified material shows. Google Maps has a picture of my house where you can make out individual people walking down the road. It's not hard to imagine classified satellite imagery that can identify somebody if they happen to be looking upward.
It's just there to draw our attention from the real threat. Flooding the world with these
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Of course who cares about the Chinese government but it shows that whilst human nature hasn't changed in thousands of years technology has and privacy is going straight to hell. What used to be non-existant or only available to governments with multi-billion $ defence budgets is quickly becoming available to every man and his dog as Google Earth shows. The bad thing is without human nature changing we're all going to end up in a screwed society where we must all watch our words and actions like politicians in case there being recorded or publically posted in ways that could ruin our careers for the crime of being human once in a while.
...but the article doesn't seem to have an actual link to the map. It's here.
Maybe they were just looking for nudist resorts when they found that thing.
After all, what is the point in having a submarine acting as a nuclear deterrent if nobody knows you have it? You might not want people to know where it is when it's out on operations, but it's fine to show it off to everyone looking from above when it's at home at the dock.
This was on Drudge Report last week... Slashdot's new moniker:
"all the news that was fit to print yesterday"
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how quiet will this boat be submerged? SSBN's are the chickens of the sea - they run away from the slightest noise in order to stay undetected; the attack boats like to trail them in order to kill them if needed. Unless these new ones are extra quiet they'll be less a strategic threat than a symbol of power. They could, for example, be used to try to forestall a US response to move against the Republic of China, depending how credible the US viewed such a threat. For China, it means they've added a new threat to many of their neighbors - it could get a bit busy with Russian, Taiwanese, and Japanese subs and ASW forces looking to track them.
That said, I'd love to be on the first boat to track one...
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... :O
*runs in fear of the chinese*
because i believe the future is not 1984, but instead, reverse big brother
the standard mythology is that cameras everywhere is all about the government controlling you. but with google maps, with cell phone cameras, etc., we are actually seeing the rodney king effect: that governments suddenly have to get used to a new democratic form of transparency that they never had to deal with before
george orwell is bullshit. the future of cameras everywhere is that they can be used AGAINST big government
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
That is kind of scary. I know that it's in every countries best interest to update there military vehicles, but still a bad thought to say the least.
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If it's like other stuff they make it's likely to get recalled. So no reason to worry.
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
In other news, the Chinese govt just announced plans for the world's largest, submarine-based advertising campaign.
The 220 foot banners, visible from space and deployed in the world's oceans, will read "Come to Beijing for having best memorable Olympics."
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
does it run Linux?
i wouldn't fly that satellite too close to china. they might shoot it down. :)
Finally we have the Jin, please pass the tonic ;-P
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You can see the sailors running around on deck, almost like they're having a fire drill.
It's not a prototype. It's a first unit of the class production run.
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The best possible resolution is about 2.5 inches (6 CM). That's assuming something on the close order of the Hubble telescope pointed down, and in a 100 mile orbit.
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1984 is not so much a work of intelligence as it is mental pornogrpahy for paranoids
kind of like ayn rand's work is mental pornography for the simply selfish
they even have a fancy philosophical term for this selfishness: libertarianism. uh, no, what ayn rand wrote is just about being a selfish dickwad
1984, atlas shrugged: these 2 works are mythological touchstones for certain subcultures of society. such that i know i am going to be modded into oblivion by saying these words. i know what i say here is deeply offensive to a certain subset of morons and wackjobs
orwell/ rand aren't enlightening at all. they just reinforce a preexisting bias already present in certain readers, such that those biased readers get really excited about these works. there preexisting biases are radically reinforced. those biases being either:
1. the government is out to get me. i know it. you say otherwise? you must work for them (1984)
2. it's ok to be totally selfish. because it's actually a really deep and rich philosophy, not just a shallow shortsighted instinct of the simple minded(atlas shrugged)
ayn rand and george orwell rank right up there with l ron hubbard in terms of biggest purveyors of pseudoreligious clap trap from the last century. "dianetics", "1984", "atlas shrugged": the 20th century's champs of pseudointellectual, pseudoreligious snake oil
but don't let my cries of "bullshit" sway you when i point at these hucksters. you may now pillory me with the passion of a scientologist told that there is nothing wrong with psychology
sorry to rock your mythology, crackpots
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Do the Taiwanese have a sub fleet?
Seems like, if the PRC is getting uppity and is deploying a lot of anti-carrier weapons (which their 'super-sonic torpedos,' mentioned further up in the thread, seem clearly to be), maybe the U.S. response is to change its posture away from one that requires it to interject itself directly into any cross-straight conflict.
Maybe if we sold the Taiwanese a missile boat or two, it would cause the mainlanders to think twice before doing anything spectacularly stupid; doubtless they really hate Taiwan and all it represents, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to annihilate it, if the cost was going to be their half-dozen largest coastal cities. That's assuming that the Taiwanese are serious enough about their own independence to make MAD a credible threat.
The U.S. has gotten into much trouble in the past by attempting to defend (or, lately, liberate) people or countries who really don't seem to have a whole lot of interest in doing it themselves; selling people the means to defend themselves seems like a much better deal than agreeing to play bodyguard and jump in to take a bullet for them.
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What's funny about someone too stupid to understand how basic economics work? Or for that matter, too stupid to understand how T-bonds work?
Does funny mean "OOOH HE SAID SOMETHING SUBTLY DEROGATORY TOWARDS THE US, IT MUST!!!!!!!! BE FUNNY!!!!!!! LOLOLLLOLLOOLLLOOLLI'MAMORONLOLOLOLOLO"
The mod was stupid, but the comment was even more so.
paranoid fruit loops are annoying, and need to be made fun of
but you can ignore my caustic attitude towards you and your 1984 mythology, dear paranoid fruitloops. i'm obviously a secret servant of the illuminati
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The VA-111 Shkvall travels between 200 and 250 knots, which is to say 230 - 290 mph, which is between mach 0.3 and mach 0.33, and last time I checked, 0.3>0.33>1.
Slow Down, Cowboy! It's been 60 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment.
the standard mythology is that cameras everywhere is all about the government controlling you. but with google maps, with cell phone cameras, etc., we are actually seeing the rodney king effect: that governments suddenly have to get used to a new democratic form of transparency that they never had to deal with before
David Brin actually wrote a pretty good non-fiction book about this topic, The Transparent Society. I have a link to the first (freely-downloadable) chapter of the book in my sig.
making a big fuss over one poor guy getting kicked is often the most potent weapon against tyranny. i don't know why you dismiss something like rodney king being videotaped as a pointless foible
his being videotaped is a potent and electrifying symbol that the story of justice does not end at the end of the government's truncheon weilding thugs. you consider it a distraction, i don't understand you. something like rodney king being beaten or tank man are rallying points in the war against autocracy, rule by force
and you dismiss them as a diversion? i think mindless cynicism has eaten some of your perceptive abilities
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What gave it away was "Eat Nukes America" painted on top
Table-ized A.I.
What you are about to see never happened ....
'Only a Barbarian believes that his tribes customs are the laws of nature'
The speed of sound in air is ~760mph.
The speed of sound in water is ~3,355mph.
What was that you were saying? Something about blathering about things you don't know about?
Slow Down, Cowboy! It's been 60 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment.
The person you answered here said nothing about Orwell or Rand, but did make some very important and disturbing factual points about non-fictional events, none of which you responded to.
That would take a LOT of lube.
a cell phone camera or google maps is not the complete answer, just a new tool in a swiss army knife of tools to use against autocracy. you thought that the struggle was ever going to be answered definitively or completely with one technological tool or idea?
the struggle against those who wish to restrict your rights and freedoms is a struggle that has always been waged, in all societies, and always will be waged, for all time. because you can't use google maps to spy on dick means it's pointless to try? or to not celebrate the transparency these new tools suddenly offer?
what if activists followed dick around as much as they could everywhere he went with cellphone cameras? you don't think they wouldn't find something embarassing at least once or twice, even with all the secret service flak they would get? you think this struggle requires no sacrifice? you think it's one technological trick or doodad and SNAP, the desire of some assholes to control everyone else will just magically disappear?
it's a struggle, forever. celebrate the new tool handed you in the struggle. or you don't really understand what is going on
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yes. And over here you can see the Weapons of Mass Destruction(TM) of Saddam Hussein.
and allow me to continue my original rant by pointing out to you that this isn't a polite debate society, and i am free to say anything i wish. if you wish to consider my reply incoherent, so be it
meanwhile, my take is that i find what the other guy said boring and typical and not worthy of a reply, mainly because i'm not paranoid. you're free to see it otherwise. different agendas for different minds. some of which are hobbled by concerns not driven by reality, but driven by overactive imaginations fueled by a psychotic inability to trust. an inability to trust not just big government, which is healthy, but an inability to trust other human beings in general
there is such a thing in this world as being too trusting. this is dangerous. it is also true that some people in this world have a shortcircuit in their ability trust. this is just as impoverishing to the mind, this social deficit. the idea is to trust a little, distrust a little, and ignore the poisonous thoughts of those who trust too much or trust too little
both ends of that spectrum of trust are populated by morons and wackjobs
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I read the article, too, about New York requiring a permit. But, the paper I read said that the NY city permits-related office spokesperson said the permit will NOT be required of:
-- tourists or similar groups smaller than 5 or 7
-- non-professional artists
-- families out on picnics or the like.
Please. If you're going to say your bit, say it all, even the parts you don't like. But, I'll chalk it up to you typed so fast and hit the submit button that you said, "Hmm, maybe someone else will pick up the rest for me...".
Besides, the country could and most certainly WOULD deserve to descent into anarchy and chaos if the government began jamming citizen imagery everytime the cops wanted anonymity or shielding from abusing the public. But, as was stated elsewhere, it's a good way to ensure stable "democracy".
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(/Human Torch mode: {/snaps fingers} Flame on!) ...a cheap export knock-off from China. Whodathunkit?
Bet your ass they won't be using their own food (take out, anyone?) because if they do the
world will see this sub as the first "goldfish'd" sub (i.e. floating belly-up somewhere about
a week out).
(/Flame off)
Considering the article mention only "one" previous (and failed) sub class, and now this one
which seems destined for 'greatness' *coff*choke*sarcasm*coff*.
What do you want to bet that the SSBN will stand for Sea Sick By Nitefall?
Have you read the moderator guidelines? Well, have you, PUNK? (and I want a Karma: Gnarly option)
he only does that to his friends ;-)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
In Soviet China, nuclear submarine shows Google.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
having google maps during the cuban missle crisis or the cold war would've been bad ass...
Check out this one which is about a mile or so from the South side check point of the coastal DMZ.
Thats a building, but its been painted to match the terrain. I suspect they are afraid of DPRK flying around their border. If you scroll through to the north, you can see the trench fences (the last parking lot) and then opposing that the North Korean side. If you keep scrolling west you can follow the trench fence system to the west coast. There are a lot of interesting things such as trenches and border forts and hidden nooks and cranies you can only see from the air.
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
Why is there such a big fuss over China launching a new boomer?
China is already in possession of an outdated ballistic missile sub, they are simply building a replacement class. Yet news sites and the 'omg China' crowd seem to be thinking it's a sign of aggression, and similar nonsense. Here in the UK the govenment has recnetly raised a bill for ~£20 Billion for a replacement SSBN system.
As to it's secrecy, I've seen models and diagrams of it for years on various blogs and military tech sites, the fact they were building a new submarine was not secret. It was also know that it would look (unsurprisingly) just like the current russian boats. All China has managed to do is keep it's construction somewhat secret. China can track satellites, and it's not hard to hide a sub (most facilities have hangers for them) - this is not an intelligence coup, it's simply China showing the West their new toy. We do it via public launches and bottle smashing, China simply parks theirs outside and waits for someone to notice.
Now that a lot of China, US Navy, submarine experts are here, say, what happened in *ASW procedures* regarding a news story of a few years back? ~2000.
The Chinese government reportedly was incensed and diplomatically complained that US Navy anti-submarine warfare chase, identify, harass practices of Chinese military submarines in international waters was out of bounds. China viewed these common Cold War practices as aggressive acts. While it might have been standard fare with the Soviet Union it was not for China, the Chinese government claimed.
Tangentially, is the old-style US v. USSR ASW practice continuing with Russia?
Thish remindsh me of the heady daysh of Shputnik and Yuri Gagarin!
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The wording from the post made me think it was a sub that launches nukes! But after reading the article is sounds like it's a Submarine which runs on nuclear power versus a sub that has bombs that use nuclear power.
You get the same kind of Google imagery from the naval base in Norfolk Virginia, or anywhere else for that matter. If you know where the ports are, it's a trivial matter to google them. So, they just happened to catch the new sub in port. There are probably much better images of it, while it was in the shipyard under construction, sitting in a (non-Chinese) government buildings somewhere.
that was never in doubt
do you think that means it's ok for him to be beaten like he was on videotape?
by your words, i think you do believe that
fine, next time i go outside and smell someone smoking, i'll punch them in the face. yes, smoking is obnoxious, but does that give me the right to punch them in the face?
according to you it does
you have a serious problem. you see punishment worse than the actual crime as being ok. no. in any civilized society, the punishment is never worse than the crime. otherwise, it isn't justice, it's revenge
furthermore, rodney king was punished by those who are supposed to be enforcing the law. you know, bring him to jail and to court. rather than also serving as trial, judge, and executioner. that's ok to you? the judgment of a beat cop is superior to a court of law?
look in the mirror: you're the perfect member of a fascist state. the way you think about rodney king's crimes, excusing a worse crime at the hands of the govt officials than what rodney king did, means you think like a thug
luckily, the standard of justice in the usa is not according to you. sure, plenty of dickwads like you try to make thuggery the standard of justice here, but luckily we've mainly held the likes you off so far, although we've lost gournd under bush. we'll make up the lost ground after 2008
my advice to you is to move to a tribal area of afghanistan, where sharia law is still enforced. you know: cut off a hand for stealing, death penalty for prostitution, etc.
where your kind of brutish thuggery is called law
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
i am a radical anti-gun nut. i think the 2nd amendment should be repealed. there is no place in civil society for assholes walking around with guns
of course, the mythology of those who believe in the 2nd amendment is that they are saving us from a fascist government
ha!
armed thugs are in fact fodder for any sort of fascist group that would ever threaten the government. fascists love guns. it's the first thing they go for, because the will to power that is the psychological root of fascist thinking is all about controlling your world through physical force. ie, the gun. rather than writing, thought and speech, the first instinct of the level headed citizen of a democracy
this "oh my god we need guns to protect us from the fascists!" is just the sort of hysterical hyberbole of paranoid retards that i abhor
the truth:
when your society is threatened by a policy or law that is not the opinion of the general populace, the civilian's response is to challenge it through democratic change. the fascist's response is to reach for guns and bombs
in other words, the second amendment is a friend of fascism, not an enemy of it
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You have to consider these books as a product of their times.
Read a little bit about Orwell; he was stridently anti-soviet and two most famous books are related to the level of control place on individual citizens by the Soviets, in both Animal House and 1984.
Ayn Rand's are essentially a reaction to the same thing: governments tend to try to homogenize citizens so that no one really fails, but no one really is allowed to succeed too much either.
Now, if you read these books roughly literally "government is out to get me" or "individuals rights must come first", well then of course you conclude they're rubbish. However, the reason these books are still read is because they are more subtle than you give them credit for. The purpose of the artist (and you should know this) is that they raise questions, and put it in a way that force you to ask about your values and the importance of things like individual rights versus societal responsibility. And it's not a documentary, so *of course* the author chooses a viewpoint.
It's like reading "Starship Trooper" and then saying "It's a story about war", or "Brave New World" is about the future. Yeah, they are, but it misses the point.
These aren't books for crackpots or freaks, they raise legitimate questions that are worth discussing. If they were crap, people wouldn't even remember them.
Sorry you don't like them. I think they're terrific.
the crime of swallowing the mythology set forth by orwell way beyond it's sell by date is not orwell's fault. furthermore, i am an avid fan of "animal farm". the real lesson of orwell's works is that his thoughts are critiques of fascism, totalitarianism, autocracy, and tyranny. most of his works are in the context of criticizing the soviet union, the context of the cold war, which is dead and over. the fear then of communism marching across the world was palpable, and orwell effectively distilled that
but some retards want to use his works as critiques of societies that are democracies. not orwell's fault, and in fact, utterly missing what orwell was trying to say to you
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
At http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3 8%C2%B049'4.40%22N+121%C2%B029'39.82%22E&ie=UTF8&t =k&om=1&ll=38.810315,121.48959&spn=0.003143,0.0050 21&z=18&iwloc=addr
(this is just a bit to the SW of the bay)
You can clearly see the white lines in the sea, which covers not so small area.
Anyone have an explanation?
My guess is some kind of nets but I'm not certain why so many of them.
Trolls are like broken clocks. They show the truth two times a day. The rest of the day they talk nonsense.
it always was more fun working the slashdot crowd though. larger audience
i got a good mod war going on now with my comments here. some kind souls modding me up, the usual knee jerk wackjobs modding me down. for the horrible crime of course of insulting their retarded mindless mythology that lost any vague relevance to reality about 25 years ago
fucking paranoid lowest common denominator retards. i burn at you to the bitter end
let the rhetorical bloodsport flow! asbestos suit on! to war! where's my flamethrower! bring it on biased unthinking wackjobs!
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Consider the extensive network of cameras in England. Can anyone see their contents? Nope. Just the government...
...and when they implement such a system in this country, possibly GEICO, State Farm, Progressive, you get the idea.
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we're not so different in our view points as you think
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
in fact, i consider that an epithet
;-)
intellectuals are usually this university type who isn't more educated than the average joe on the street on a given issue, but are rather indoctrinated much further into a given agenda. therefore, they are in fact less "intelligent" than joe six pack because they are less likely to consider things from an unbiased point of view. they have an agenda to push
furthermore, anyone whose ego is so weak on the issue of their intelligence as to feel attracted to the term "intellectual" to feel important is probably in fact of lower intelligence (and i'm not talking about iq: yeah, some asperger's syndrome sufferers can manipulate complex 3D objects in their head, but they are also usually of a lower than normal social intelligence, which is far more important than 3 variable calculus when dealing with these subject matters)
no, what you are dealing with here is a gas bag, a loud mouth, a know it all, a bore. that's what i am, and i am proud of it. if you met me at a party you would go "blah blah blah" roll your eyes and walk away
so don't feed the troll dude. walk away. or reply back to me negatively, and thereby get sucked in and remain forever stuck in my world as my bitch
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
What you mention is just the tip of it. I watched a frontline episode in which they talked about how the feds demanded records of everyone from the casions in Vegas. If that's not Orwellian, I don't know what is.
Here is a link to the show: Spying on the home front
we need guns walking around the streets of pittsburgh pennsylvania because there are janjaweed in sudan
...which of course, brings your wild west delusions full circle: in anarchy, like somalia, you DO need a gun to walk around. so keep carrying your gun. with enough assholes like you out there, we will have a self-fulfilling prophecy, a somalia, instead of a civil society, where word and deed trumps justice at the end of a barrel. a sad stunted reality that is apparently the only reality people like you only seem to understand as what is going on with the idea of government and civil society
;-)
gee, i prefaced my remarks with "civil society"
you seem to have some trouble figuring out what that is
how about this: if you look around and see a starbucks, you are in civil society. if you look around and you see starving people, slavery, and death by curable diseases, you need a gun
simple enough for you simpleton?
"the psychological root of fascist thinking is all about controlling your world through physical force
This is true of all government everywhere."
when i talk about paranoid schizophrenic wackjobs, it's best not to feed my argument by sounding like one. your average kindergartner can appreciate the bliningly obvious reasons why any civil society needs a government. i'm sorry that your mental deficits limits your ability to appreciate the obvious, and the need to embrace fantasies
but don't worry about me dude. i'm obviously an agent of the state, here to cast aspersions on the brave intelligent proponents of anarchy (snicker)
don't worry about me dude. if people like me get uppity enough, you can always shoot me, right?
what a retard
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
"or reply back to me negatively, and thereby get sucked in and remain forever stuck in my world as my bitch"
As someone who has used a gun in self defense, I have to say that your opinion is lovely in an ideal world, and useless in the real one.
The REAL truth, nothing you said is more than the moronic ranting of an individual too intellectually stunted to consider how ridiculous any all or none policy is.
There is a need for guns and bombs. Claiming otherwise just advertises that your thought processes are too malformed and deficient to consider when and how they are necessary.
Reality made you its bitch, and you did all the work.
[Shrug] That's a different argument. I probably should have put quotes around "liberate." At any rate I don't think it's really about oil; that's too simplistic. (It would have been cheaper just to buy the oil if that's what we had wanted; Saddam would have been more than happy to supply it to us and probably would have kept the Iranians in line.) I think the real cause has to do with the military-industrial-political complex in the U.S. and its desire to have a war every decade or so, and straightforward Machiavellian political maneuvering on the part of the Bush administration, when they realized that the war in Afghanistan wasn't going to occupy the nation's attention for the remainder of their (first) term in office.
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But they love you long time.
is about maximizing our rights. your mental block is that you can't see that some of the threats to your rights don't come from the government. i feel like my rights are threatened far more than some moron with a gun on the street than the government
oooh! but don't i know the government is an all powerful fascist force otu to turn us all into slaves!
yeah, i didn't know that. i see it now. wilbur with a gun at the 7-11 si going to save me from a fascist government
wtf?
moron on the street with a gun: real threat to my rights
the fascist usa govt: moronic mythology
and if the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED us government ever DOES go fascist it will be done by... drum roll please... MORONS WITH GUNS
(slaps forehead)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
...China is testing anti-satellite laser weapons.
"everything i say is about maximizing our rights"
By eliminating them. Well, you have the doublespeak down.
Now tell me how it's for my own good and you'll be all set.
Pictures of subs aren't that big a deal. If the US was worried, they'd cover up their subs in dry dock.... http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q= Groton,+New+London,+Connecticut,+United+States&sll =37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=32.80241,63.984375&ie=UTF 8&cd=1&ll=41.344638,-72.082055&spn=0.001897,0.0039 05&t=h&z=18&om=1
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- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Mod parent funny.
In the peoples republic of China Googles sees you!
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damn not the same ring to it as in soviet russia jokes
In your imaginary world where everything that happens in a public space is recorded, lots of folks _will_ be breaking laws. Laws that are stupid, laws that they don't know exist, laws that are old and out of date but that are still in force. That's what happens today--we break lots of laws but most of them are trvial and nobody cares enough to try and enforce every law about spitting on the sidewalk or strictly enforce the speed limit at 55mph and not a mile over.
The real issue is that once everything is "recorded" you're setting yourself up for selective enforcement. Again, this happens now: how many mobsters are in jail on tax evasion convictions--a selective enforcement of the tax laws to the letter. But once any idiot in government (and as far as I can tell, most politicians on either side have about the IQ of a worm) with a private agenda can set you up for a fall based on universally recorded evidence, things are going to get unpleasant really fast.
This is what we're headed for. It's inevitable, because people acting as citizens in the "nation-group" don't have the will to try and change it, and people acting as the goverment don't have the integrity to try resist it. For most folks it's a far-off possibility that the government would do something "wrong" with this information, because only wackjobs believe in all that conspiracy theory nonsense. For most politicians, the insidious attraction of being able to "do something" about (crime/terrorism/missing children/crisis of the week) is irresistable.
I hate to say it, but we're pretty much doomed.
There's an argument that democracies can't last long because of the selfishness and laziness of the average voter. Too lazy to be informed or to act to make changes, average voters can only be trusted to vote for the politician that promises the greatest benefits--inevitably leading to a case where representatives vote not for the possible, but for the impossible. With politicians unable to either reduce benefits or raise taxes, the finances of the republic eventually crumble into ruin. This is why so-called social security is in the shape it's in: no one is willing to face the fact that we will either have to tax those currently working at some ridiculous leve (say, around 60%) or reduce the amount we pay out to those no longer working. Those are the only two choices--but no one is willing to be the "chooser of the slain" as it were.
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I was looking around the Google Earth imagery in the DPRK recently. There's weirder stuff than that on the North Korea side -- airports with rows of MIG fighters (real or just props? Why left out in the open instead of in hangars?); half the hilltops near a major towns seem to have trenches and anti-aircraft sites on them, whether there is a military base nearby or not; roads and railways near the border for no particularly good reason go underground (i.e. are covered with thick layers of trucked in-dirt -- I'm guessing they would blow the tunnel with explosives and collapse the transport routes), etc.
Three things really stood out when I was looking around
1. In west-central North Korea there is a dam feeding an ENORMOUS irrigation canal that stretches across a quarter of the country -- winding its way over the terrain and through multi-kilometre-long tunnels through whole mountains (yes, those are west and east ends of the same tunnel -- zoom out to see them both -- and there are dozens of tunnels along this thing!). It's one freaking huge and expensive irrigation project.
The second thing was near one of the military airports where there are 4 huge circular landing pads with 30m-wide helicopters parked in the middle. The blades are so big they could only be the Russian-built Mil Mi-26 or something similar. There are at least a dozen other, smaller helicopters parked in the same area.
The third weird observation was this set of two enormous mansions tucked away in a forested valley, complete with its own private "end of line" train station, and a double security wall along the crest of the valley ridges. Gee, I wonder who lives there? The contrast with the state of the rest of the country is pretty shocking. I can see why the mansions are hidden away from view in a valley.
They've got some amazing stuff out in the open. One thing is for sure. This is not a country that should be starving with that much military and other assets out in the open on display.
Exactly. But it wouldn't set off as many paranoid responses if they worded the title more appropriately.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
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SSBN = Submarine, Ballistic Missile, Nuclear Power
SS = Submarine
SSN = Submarine, Nuclear Power (generally attack)
SSB = Submarine, Ballistic Missile
SSG = Submarine, Cruise Missile
SSGN = Submarine, Cruise Missile, Nuclear Power
Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs) are as far as I know all nuclear tipped.
Sub launched cruise missiles on the other hand, usually carry a conventional warhead.
That's the line I've been giving people too. The Hubble Space Telescope with a 2.4 meter mirror was designed to maximize the mirror size for the Shuttle's cargo bay, and this is the same Shuttle which has launched a KH-12 for the NRO. So the KH-12 probably has a mirror about the same diameter as the HST.
But then it occurred to me. You only need a big mirror if you're looking at dim objects in space. Stuff on Earth is pretty well-lit, so the only real problem is resolution. If you want resolution, you don't need all that surface area. All you need are two or more smaller scopes separated by a large distance to create an interferometer. The design is tricky since the individual mirrors have to be aligned to within a wavelength of light. But it's been done many times here on Earth. When done successfully, you get a scope with the light-gathering power of just the sum of the mirrors, but the resolving power is that of a mirror whose diameter is the distance between the individual mirrors.
The Webb Space Telescope will have a 6.5 meter mirror by designing it in separate cells which will fold and stack for launch. Again, since astronomy is primarily concerned with light-gathering ability, and a circle represents the most surface area for a given perimeter, astronomical scopes tend to have roundish mirrors. But a spy satellite wouldn't need light-gathering ability. They could arrange the cells differently, creating a mirror which is wide but narrow. Like the interferometer, resolution along the wide axis would be much higher.
I am not the conspiracy theory type, but the publicity over HST / JWST strikes me as similar to Asimov's short story, The Dead Past. In that story, [spoiler] the government is covering up a chronoscope, a machine which can view the past, by publicizing it as studying ancient history - ancient Greeks, ancient Egyptians building the pyramids, etc. The deader the better. It turns out that the machine can't view more than several decades into the past. But what the public doesn't realize is that while the chronoscope is useless for studying ancient history, it is the perfect spying machine, able to remotely view events which happened just a few hours or even a few seconds ago.[/spoiler]
I suspect this is part of the reason for the success (and problems) of Hubble. How the mirror wasn't tested before launch resulting in a near-fatal flaw. (How many KH-11 and KH-12 mirrors were manufactured before Hubble? Surely someone who had overseen construction of those mirrors was given some sort of advisory role in Hubble's manufacture.) How the pictures from HST are released to the public, spruced up in color and saturation so they're beautiful. How we let the gyros die until it was one failure away from uselessness. All this drama and publicity keeps Hubble in the eye of the public, and solidifies the stereotype in everyone's mind that a space telescope has got a big round mirror. Even the final maintenance mission for the HST being canceled, then restored, then funding being lost, and then restored again, serves to put the JWST in the public's mind. It too is a roundish mirror design (hexagonal cells). They even have technically knowledgeable people like us ridiculing movies which show spy satellites with extraordinary zooming capability.
My hunch is the NRO probably has at
But surely the Chinese government would have known that the sub would be fully visible to the world by now. Google Maps hasn't exactly been secret, and similar satellite images were available to the public even before that. It would have been natural for the Chinese government, or any other government, to map out all the areas in which activities are no longer secret.
The sub is only in plain view to be seen in Google Maps because the Chinese government doesn't mind it being seen. Perhaps they even want it to be seen.
Spending five years as a Lutheran in a Catholic school has made me one of the Devil's most hard-working advocates...
Yeah, because they didn't seem heartless regarding Tianemen,
If a host of minority political movements flooded Washington D.C., shut down its legislative branch, and demanded that, not only the administration, but the form of government be changed, I'd expect some heads to get busted. And, I'd also expect a considerable number of dead, even though we, unlike the troops involved in Tiananmen, are properly equipped for riot control. In fact, I'd venture to guess that a large part of the country would support it enthusiatically. Though, whether "a large part" has good judgment in such matters is doubtful (and fairly irrelevant in a democratic republic).
Political individuals certainly don't have the same avenues for communication to their fellow citizens in China, but that doesn't make the problem any different. Or the solution.
or during the Tibet take over,
Alternately, "the liberation of a people under the heal of a backwards, feudal theocracy which used slavery and serfdom into the mid-Twentieth Century." Tibet's suffering through the Cultural Revolution was in many ways no worse than what fell Han China. The big difference is to whom the flotsam and jetsam of these countries appealed. The Nationalists could appeal to our foreign policy and our pocketbook, but, for the average person, they are just the losers in some far away conflict.
Tibet, on the other hand, has managed to reinvent itself into some kind of New Age Sugarcandy Mountain to the Western Left and as a victim par excellence in the eyes of the Western anti-Communist. According to them, they didn't just annex what had been part of the Chinese sphere of influence since before there was a Dalai Lama, they destroyed a harmonious mountaintop kingdom which had no greater desire than its own and the World's spiritual well-being. Tibet is no longer a physical place; it's an idea. An idea which was created in the image of Victorian pulp literature. The Tibet in exile we now have has turned into a circus which is fully prepared to lie to its strongest supporters about the annexation and the Cultural Revolution's impact on the region--not in a frantic effort to retake the country in which they once lived, but to keep the circus moving.
Tell me, as a theocrat, would you rather jet-set around the world to be venerated by wealthy Westerns who can be made to believe anything out of their naïve spiritualism, or resume the day-to-day rule of a mountain theocracy which governs the lives of people who've spent the last thirty years in comparative economic, if not political, liberalism.
or in killing Falun Gong members, or...
These people follow a man who claims to be "the god of gods," fly, and become invisible at will, yet he doesn't dare return to the Mainland. Can you imagine what kind of person it takes to believe in a religion like that without it being deeply rooted in their culture and daily lives? I don't think we're losing any the great minds of our time with this action, regardless of its heartlessness.
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You can tell where north korea starts - its about where the road system starts to suck dick.
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Clicking on the link behind the great firewall will yeild the following result in Google Maps:
Zoom into a blurred screen.
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Huh?
It's just a cheap Chinese imitation.
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The claim that the highest resolution Google photos may be aerial photos seems legit, but based on a Google picture where I can see my pickup-truck, and get a feel for its relative size, I'm still leaning toward the photograph of the Chinese sub being a satellite-derived image. It just isn't high of a resolution as my Googled pickup truck.
What we need next from Google map is some UFOs pictures.
This low-resolution image somehow reminded me of all the Decoy structures you could make in Command and Conquer: Red Alert to throw off exactly this sort of investigation.
"places where life is cheap tend to not be very civilized [see Baghdad, Darfur, Texas]"
Please... Stop being an idiot.
I happen to be anti death penalty. The reasons are simple.
1. Revenge is wrong. I couldn't kill a helpless person without hating them or seeking revenge.
2. It is wrong to ask someone to do something that you can not bring yourself to do.
Unless you can never make an error and execute people with out hate and or without seeking revenge then it is just wrong.
Of course I have to admit that every once in a while I see somebody that makes me question my better nature.
My wife is also anti death penalty and she is born and breed in Texas. so feel better pushing your own little bigotry? Do you think your little nasty post convinced anyone? Or do you think tossing insults like that moved them to agree with you?
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The wise naval captain never fears the hardware, only the man commanding it.
I agree with others that it's probably intentionally left out in the open, as the best way to scare someone with a weapon is to show it to them.
Since the Chinese navy has been one step short of completely useless since the 15th Century, I am curious to see if this class of boat is a sign of the revitalization of the navy, or just another experiment in a long line of PRC naval failures.
The design of the boat itself is quite antiquated. I have no doubt that the inner workings of the ship are somewhat advanced, but as the Russians proved, their much-feared boats were well behind their Western (specifically, American) counterparts. Even for the economic powerhouse China has become, they lack the requisite experience to build a boat as sophisticated and deadly as what British, French and American sailors put to sea in. My bet is that it's mildly improved Soviet surplus tech bought cheap as a big warning to the West.
I'll be watching this closely.
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What do you think they're going to do next poison our dog food??
If this sub is anything like their consumer products like tires, toys or toothpaste we have nothing to worry about.
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As the U.S. government, the U.N and most of countries in this world stated, Taiwan is a PROVINCE of China. It is separated from mainland China because of a civil war (called the third civil war between 1945-1949). During that time most Chinese people supported the communist party and banished the KMT party the U.S. supported to Taiwan in 1949.
The communist party were planning to continue attacking KMT in Taiwan as the final war and make the whole China as a single unity. However, the Korean war was broken out and H. Truman asked the U.S. navy _invaded_ (since they did not ask Chinese people if agreed) Taiwan Strait to prevent the communist party's plan. The new government has no choice but sent army to North Korean as a kind of "revenge" leading to a long time hostile status until the end of Vietnam war (all the officers of Vietnam army were trained in China military academies).
Before 1949 after Japanese force surrendered, every Chinese CAN go Taiwan as a RIGHT as go to everywhere in China. Chinese people, even army coming to Taiwan, are to use their rights. So Chinese people called this "the war of unify". It is nothing about ideologies but similar to the civil war in the U.S. How can we say "invade"?
That's all fine and everything, but what I want to know is: where is the damn golf course!?
If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.
Dude. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do a whois on my websites and find out who I am. If I really wanted to stay anonymous. I'd post anonymous through a proxy server. Not like there is a North Korean spy stalking me... Then again, my name is so common that someone with my name is on the TSA's do not fly list and I have to prove that I'm not them each time I fly.
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-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
...that's a defensive earthwork. If you look carefully on the side of the road, you'll see where they also built up the hills to the west. To the water side, you can see anti-tank / landing craft barriers (little black poles).
Huh?
Better go eat your speedo bathing suit.
You spent too much time in the pool, and not enough time in Physics class.
But then, you're American, aren't you?
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