"The fact is there are dozens of mass graves all over IRAQ"
And right now your army is helping creating dozens new ones... How many mass graves 100000 iraki civilians corpse would fill?
The only real reason behind this war is oil... So if you back the war... fine... But back your growing deficit because nobody want to put their money to help you.
When almost all other country say something is wrong... half your population does too, it is always a good thing to at least try to see why they all came to that conclusion... Not everybody is stupid except americans you know.
"THE WAR: We didn't pick this fight. Do you think OBL, gave a fuck that there were atheists in the towers... The world brought the fight here! GET IT? Either your with us or not, PERIOD"
I have head this many times... but it lacks a certain sense of one awful reality... Ossama Ben Laden has nothing to do with Irak... And Irak as nothing to do with OBL... Thus this means: The 9/11 has NOTHING TO DO with attacking Irak so stop using that argument please.
Ok... that was my fist post of the day and i was a little extreme because i was angered about the results...
Now to better explain my view look a the others post i did today:
here are the links to the comments and a cut and paste:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=128305&cid=107 14533
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I can admit i was a little extreme with the "whiny left winger" thingy. And i, in good part, agree with your point.
I mean left, right, middle, republican or democrat I frankly dont care (even if i describe myself as a sligthly left-center person)... in fact I think this whole political party thing tends to screw up a lot of good individual ideas... But the fact is that the Bush administration has proven itself to be unfit of your people trust... He lied to you on numerous issues of major importance regarding the war, the WMD and the tie between Alquaida and Irak...
He passed regulation that limit your personnal freedoms and makes other country ask themself if they should still do buisness with US companies on the basis of fear for confidentiality of their data...
And this rather extreme president that lied to your face and plays with your fears (i mean what kind of a joke is this threat indicator...) will get to appoint new judges (possibly 3 I think)
Those are all good reason regardless of normal political tendency not to vote for the guy this time for the sake of avoiding further disaster and at least to have someone who lie a bit less to your face.
So regardless of normal political view, voting for the other guy seemed almost unthinkable for most over here... And if you look at world survey for the rest of the world too it would seems...
I mean how can we respect people who elect for president someone who obiously and openly lie about such serious matters as war and life of americans and non americans people. I mean, even UK the strongest allie of US in the war as admitted intelligence was faulty and there was no good reason for this war.
I know (since ive got both US TV channel and Canadians one) that you get a bit disinformed... But if the extent of it goes to the reellection of that president... Well do something about it. Manifest your disapointment in the media, organize, do something constructive for that, try to get regulations to pass so media have obligation to be impartials not just in word but in fact. Try to get independent media or left inclined ones to the front row on majors channel (like democracynow.org for example) so you get both side of the story and have the information to make a goode choice based on both sides of things.
But now... With Bush... And a republican house and senate... and possibly 3 more far right judges... Lets hope it is not too late for you to act. Because on our side we can do nothing... we ca only wait for the repercussion of your people choices and utilmatly turn away the most we can from you country... diversify our trades so we are less dependent on you... And that is not positive for either of our country.
And that is behind that perspective that most of us are ashamed and stunt that your people choosed a president like that at times where the negative repercussion of that choice could clearly keep its trace on america (and I include Canada there) for a very long time.
"
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=128305&cid=107 14898
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Respect is in short supply yes... But one wise man once said: "your liberty stops where liberty of others start."
And american foreing policies is stepping on a lot of others "liberty". Not living in the US it is normal to think about political decision and say something like: "Oh well... our population thinks this law would be great... But i just got a call from the white house and they say they will close the border to us if we pass that..."
Lets face it your governement has so much the
Well, first look at the long post i just sent in this thread...
Respect is in short supply yes... But one wise man once said: "your liberty stops where liberty of others start."
And american foreing policies is stepping on a lot of others "liberty". Not living in the US it is normal to think about political decision and say something like: "Oh well... our population thinks this law would be great... But i just got a call from the white house and they say they will close the border to us if we pass that..."
Lets face it your governement has so much the nose in others country buisness that it is virtually impossible to just look at your decision and not being concerned and shocked at times.
For US, we are like US citizen without a right to vote... When a law passes in your country regarding security, privacy it passes in our country a few months later and we witness without any power to do anything...
If your governement had not the VERY strong tendency to tell the world how they should live their lives and to try to pressure other governement so that they comply, then we would care less about your election and would not take to heart that much your decision.
But since the people of the US do not consider others as beign concerned by their choices and that the opinion of these others therefore does not count... We cannot do anything else than sit there frustrated at our lack of power on event that WILL affect our lives. And seeing american people ignoring us saying it is not of our buisness tends to lead to a shortage of respect for people that do not understand that by not caring about our voices they are indeed not respecting us...
But i would be interested to hear a good argumentation and have a intelligent discussion with someone from the other camp so maybe I can understand better your point of view...
The only problem is that point of view as always ignored mine in its argumentation in the past.
I can admit i was a little extreme with the "whiny left winger" thingy. And i, in good part, agree with your point.
I mean left, right, middle, republican or democrat I frankly dont care (even if i describe myself as a sligthly left-center person)... in fact I think this whole political party thing tends to screw up a lot of good individual ideas... But the fact is that the Bush administration has proven itself to be unfit of your people trust... He lied to you on numerous issues of major importance regarding the war, the WMD and the tie between Alquaida and Irak...
He passed regulation that limit your personnal freedoms and makes other country ask themself if they should still do buisness with US companies on the basis of fear for confidentiality of their data...
And this rather extreme president that lied to your face and plays with your fears (i mean what kind of a joke is this threat indicator...) will get to appoint new judges (possibly 3 I think)
Those are all good reason regardless of normal political tendency not to vote for the guy this time for the sake of avoiding further disaster and at least to have someone who lie a bit less to your face.
So regardless of normal political view, voting for the other guy seemed almost unthinkable for most over here... And if you look at world survey for the rest of the world too it would seems...
I mean how can we respect people who elect for president someone who obiously and openly lie about such serious matters as war and life of americans and non americans people. I mean, even UK the strongest allie of US in the war as admitted intelligence was faulty and there was no good reason for this war.
I know (since ive got both US TV channel and Canadians one) that you get a bit disinformed... But if the extent of it goes to the reellection of that president... Well do something about it. Manifest your disapointment in the media, organize, do something constructive for that, try to get regulations to pass so media have obligation to be impartials not just in word but in fact. Try to get independent media or left inclined ones to the front row on majors channel (like democracynow.org for example) so you get both side of the story and have the information to make a goode choice based on both sides of things.
But now... With Bush... And a republican house and senate... and possibly 3 more far right judges... Lets hope it is not too late for you to act. Because on our side we can do nothing... we ca only wait for the repercussion of your people choices and utilmatly turn away the most we can from you country... diversify our trades so we are less dependent on you... And that is not positive for either of our country.
And that is behind that perspective that most of us are ashamed and stunt that your people choosed a president like that at times where the negative repercussion of that choice could clearly keep its trace on america (and I include Canada there) for a very long time.
Regarding the water part... Actually that would be a good idea in some way. We from canada are quite worried about some projects of draining water from our lands to supply United States...
I mean i dont care sharing a bit since those are common resources... But building a canal to drain water from hudson bay to your land seems a bit too much...
That is not to mention some plans to dig st-Lawrence river to allow ships to navigate to the great lakes... Plan that would just make those chemicals that were put into the water by industries (many of them americans...) and that now sleeps under a dirt layer back in the water making any fishing in st-Lawrence river and golf inpracticable... not to mention killing the tourism industrie since all beach would become dangerous...
So if you could please become independent and make a buffer between the United-States and us we would be very happy... Because the above senario are really under study by your governement and army and it scares us a little...
First come the black gold... then the White one...(water)
In fact the original version is the french one... Kind of weird when you think about it. Quebecers (French canadians) Being the victims of english conquest and all...
You might be a whiny left winger, but as today as a resident from another country I can tell you you "whiny left wingers" are the only americans for which we keep some respect.
Gosh... for the rest of the world your democrat party is right wing... so imagine our idea of who your people elected...
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"The fact is there are dozens of mass graves all over IRAQ" And right now your army is helping creating dozens new ones... How many mass graves 100000 iraki civilians corpse would fill? The only real reason behind this war is oil... So if you back the war... fine... But back your growing deficit because nobody want to put their money to help you. When almost all other country say something is wrong... half your population does too, it is always a good thing to at least try to see why they all came to that conclusion... Not everybody is stupid except americans you know.
"THE WAR: We didn't pick this fight. Do you think OBL, gave a fuck that there were atheists in the towers... The world brought the fight here!
:
GET IT?
Either your with us or not, PERIOD"
I have head this many times... but it lacks a certain sense of one awful reality... Ossama Ben Laden has nothing to do with Irak... And Irak as nothing to do with OBL... Thus this means
The 9/11 has NOTHING TO DO with attacking Irak so stop using that argument please.
Ok... that was my fist post of the day and i was a little extreme because i was angered about the results...
Now to better explain my view look a the others post i did today: here are the links to the comments and a cut and paste:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=128305&cid=107 14533
" I can admit i was a little extreme with the "whiny left winger" thingy. And i, in good part, agree with your point.
I mean left, right, middle, republican or democrat I frankly dont care (even if i describe myself as a sligthly left-center person)... in fact I think this whole political party thing tends to screw up a lot of good individual ideas... But the fact is that the Bush administration has proven itself to be unfit of your people trust... He lied to you on numerous issues of major importance regarding the war, the WMD and the tie between Alquaida and Irak...
He passed regulation that limit your personnal freedoms and makes other country ask themself if they should still do buisness with US companies on the basis of fear for confidentiality of their data...
And this rather extreme president that lied to your face and plays with your fears (i mean what kind of a joke is this threat indicator...) will get to appoint new judges (possibly 3 I think)
Those are all good reason regardless of normal political tendency not to vote for the guy this time for the sake of avoiding further disaster and at least to have someone who lie a bit less to your face.
So regardless of normal political view, voting for the other guy seemed almost unthinkable for most over here... And if you look at world survey for the rest of the world too it would seems...
I mean how can we respect people who elect for president someone who obiously and openly lie about such serious matters as war and life of americans and non americans people. I mean, even UK the strongest allie of US in the war as admitted intelligence was faulty and there was no good reason for this war.
I know (since ive got both US TV channel and Canadians one) that you get a bit disinformed... But if the extent of it goes to the reellection of that president... Well do something about it. Manifest your disapointment in the media, organize, do something constructive for that, try to get regulations to pass so media have obligation to be impartials not just in word but in fact. Try to get independent media or left inclined ones to the front row on majors channel (like democracynow.org for example) so you get both side of the story and have the information to make a goode choice based on both sides of things.
But now... With Bush... And a republican house and senate... and possibly 3 more far right judges... Lets hope it is not too late for you to act. Because on our side we can do nothing... we ca only wait for the repercussion of your people choices and utilmatly turn away the most we can from you country... diversify our trades so we are less dependent on you... And that is not positive for either of our country.
And that is behind that perspective that most of us are ashamed and stunt that your people choosed a president like that at times where the negative repercussion of that choice could clearly keep its trace on america (and I include Canada there) for a very long time.
"
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=128305&cid=107 14898
" Respect is in short supply yes... But one wise man once said: "your liberty stops where liberty of others start."
And american foreing policies is stepping on a lot of others "liberty". Not living in the US it is normal to think about political decision and say something like: "Oh well... our population thinks this law would be great... But i just got a call from the white house and they say they will close the border to us if we pass that..."
Lets face it your governement has so much the
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Well, first look at the long post i just sent in this thread...
Respect is in short supply yes... But one wise man once said: "your liberty stops where liberty of others start."
And american foreing policies is stepping on a lot of others "liberty". Not living in the US it is normal to think about political decision and say something like: "Oh well... our population thinks this law would be great... But i just got a call from the white house and they say they will close the border to us if we pass that..."
Lets face it your governement has so much the nose in others country buisness that it is virtually impossible to just look at your decision and not being concerned and shocked at times.
For US, we are like US citizen without a right to vote... When a law passes in your country regarding security, privacy it passes in our country a few months later and we witness without any power to do anything...
If your governement had not the VERY strong tendency to tell the world how they should live their lives and to try to pressure other governement so that they comply, then we would care less about your election and would not take to heart that much your decision.
But since the people of the US do not consider others as beign concerned by their choices and that the opinion of these others therefore does not count... We cannot do anything else than sit there frustrated at our lack of power on event that WILL affect our lives. And seeing american people ignoring us saying it is not of our buisness tends to lead to a shortage of respect for people that do not understand that by not caring about our voices they are indeed not respecting us...
But i would be interested to hear a good argumentation and have a intelligent discussion with someone from the other camp so maybe I can understand better your point of view...
The only problem is that point of view as always ignored mine in its argumentation in the past.
I can admit i was a little extreme with the "whiny left winger" thingy. And i, in good part, agree with your point.
I mean left, right, middle, republican or democrat I frankly dont care (even if i describe myself as a sligthly left-center person)... in fact I think this whole political party thing tends to screw up a lot of good individual ideas... But the fact is that the Bush administration has proven itself to be unfit of your people trust... He lied to you on numerous issues of major importance regarding the war, the WMD and the tie between Alquaida and Irak...
He passed regulation that limit your personnal freedoms and makes other country ask themself if they should still do buisness with US companies on the basis of fear for confidentiality of their data...
And this rather extreme president that lied to your face and plays with your fears (i mean what kind of a joke is this threat indicator...) will get to appoint new judges (possibly 3 I think)
Those are all good reason regardless of normal political tendency not to vote for the guy this time for the sake of avoiding further disaster and at least to have someone who lie a bit less to your face.
So regardless of normal political view, voting for the other guy seemed almost unthinkable for most over here... And if you look at world survey for the rest of the world too it would seems...
I mean how can we respect people who elect for president someone who obiously and openly lie about such serious matters as war and life of americans and non americans people. I mean, even UK the strongest allie of US in the war as admitted intelligence was faulty and there was no good reason for this war.
I know (since ive got both US TV channel and Canadians one) that you get a bit disinformed... But if the extent of it goes to the reellection of that president... Well do something about it. Manifest your disapointment in the media, organize, do something constructive for that, try to get regulations to pass so media have obligation to be impartials not just in word but in fact. Try to get independent media or left inclined ones to the front row on majors channel (like democracynow.org for example) so you get both side of the story and have the information to make a goode choice based on both sides of things.
But now... With Bush... And a republican house and senate... and possibly 3 more far right judges... Lets hope it is not too late for you to act. Because on our side we can do nothing... we ca only wait for the repercussion of your people choices and utilmatly turn away the most we can from you country... diversify our trades so we are less dependent on you... And that is not positive for either of our country.
And that is behind that perspective that most of us are ashamed and stunt that your people choosed a president like that at times where the negative repercussion of that choice could clearly keep its trace on america (and I include Canada there) for a very long time.
Actually i am from Canada... And i dony know a single person who backed bush...
Regarding the water part... Actually that would be a good idea in some way. We from canada are quite worried about some projects of draining water from our lands to supply United States... I mean i dont care sharing a bit since those are common resources... But building a canal to drain water from hudson bay to your land seems a bit too much... That is not to mention some plans to dig st-Lawrence river to allow ships to navigate to the great lakes... Plan that would just make those chemicals that were put into the water by industries (many of them americans...) and that now sleeps under a dirt layer back in the water making any fishing in st-Lawrence river and golf inpracticable... not to mention killing the tourism industrie since all beach would become dangerous... So if you could please become independent and make a buffer between the United-States and us we would be very happy... Because the above senario are really under study by your governement and army and it scares us a little... First come the black gold... then the White one...(water)
In fact the original version is the french one... Kind of weird when you think about it. Quebecers (French canadians) Being the victims of english conquest and all...
You might be a whiny left winger, but as today as a resident from another country I can tell you you "whiny left wingers" are the only americans for which we keep some respect. Gosh... for the rest of the world your democrat party is right wing... so imagine our idea of who your people elected...