Lets be a little realistic...... its more like
apt-get install appname
E: Unable to find...etc
Look up what link you need to add to sources.list to get the package
sudo edit sources.list
proceed with install.
Now that is the best case.. what if you have to compile from source?
I am confused as to why they would move straight up to Office 12? Office 12 will require quite a bit more 'power' to run then Office 2003 or OpenOffice, at least to take advantage of all the new UI features.
Reboot once a week??? Oh no, an entire 1 min wasted!
Linux is similar to Windows, both are stable when first installed, but after installing additional apps, most are free and downloaded from the Internet, either machines will slow down, often will crash. Windows has to put up with Spyware/Adaware, which in my experience can totally f**k a machine up, while Linux deals with alot of open source softwars, where the 'frequently' released updates of its packages can result in odd behaviours.. basically your a beta tester the majority of the time.
I know people who have Windows XP installed and it runs perfect since the day they got it, mind you they have clean systems and just use it to type/chat/print pictures. Most IT people will mess up any system within a matter of months simply because we have the need to install everything that looks cool.
Norton Ghost is your friend;)
Yes I did try, 'Access Denied'. First I tried it has an admin, and it worked fine, created a new users, let it in the default group which is 'Users', logon on.. tried the identical command, with a different time... 'Access Denied' was given to me.
By the way this was done on Windows XP Media (Basically Windows XP Pro with additional software installed).
If I am doing something wrong pls let me know, as this little trick would be EXTREMELY useful to me...lol
And no I am not talking outta my ass, I am typing with a keyboard, you?
These large Unix systems... you know the ones holding all the personal data are broken into on a regular basis. However you wont hear about it unless it effects you or is something that happens locally. you would be suprised has to how often a large corporation may have security issues, but wont disclose them unless they have to.
Perhaps you should take a quick look through Microsofts technet or msdn site (a long look would take a few months) and then come back and tell us you cant find ways to secure a Windows system. This is just information from MS, there is also an abundant supply of blogs, white papers, technical articles, forums, and newsgroups out there that while also help you.
Considering the relativly cheap cost of Windows, especially if gotten from an OEM, what do you expect them to do? You can purchase a truck for $50k... someone breaks your window, hot wires it and drives off. you find that truck a few days later in a ally... take it back to Ford and demand that they improve the security? What do you think is going to happen?
OT:
regarding the printer. when I bought a new printer for my linux box, I just plugged it in and the printer setup wizard started immediately. I was printing a test page in 30 seconds. The same printer on Windows XP took 5 minutes to setup and required a reboot
Only reason why it would take that long and require a reboot is because you install the printers OEM cd, which installs a whole bunch of additional software that isnt required to print. Usually that additional software gives you editing options, ink/toner management from the desktop... ie things you can do from a GUI instead of doing it from the command line interface of the printer itself..
Personally I hate the OEM CDs and additional software the install, and just install the driver for the printer.
I actually have Ubuntu on both my notebook and workstation... and I can tell you that you need the command line to install things. (LiveCD may not require the command line, but if you ever want to install applications, you will need a command line). I think he actually meant to both install and administer via the command prompt. Hell half the apps I wanted to test out I had to compile myself...lol
I can just picture it now... Yeh to install that program just make a few directories, download and extract the source files from the ftp site, compile it, download the dependacies required... compile it again, then install it... simple as that.
You gotta remember that the avg user has the IT knowledge of a 10 year old, I have 4 years of programming knowledge + have been an administrator for 3 years and I have an incredibly hard time installing applications on Linux + still struggling with some. I will stick with it as I want to learn, but he has a point, Linux needs to be much easier to administer for the average user if I ever want to support it.
It is nothing like get-apt, with get-apt can I purchase a version of StarOffice or LinuxNero online and will it store my install keys/software for it.
get-apt is a means of distributing free software (it is a very very nice feature, I love it, use it all the time).. its like comparing apples and oranges.
https://eopen.microsoft.com/en/default.asp is a similar site, but only organizes license keys. Since we are a reseller/installer company, we need an easy way to organize licensing information for all of our clients.. this site is a huge help.... HP has a similar site, but I havent had to use it as much.
"When working with *nix you usualy only have to do an initial setup of the server to get it working in a production enviroment, while you have to spend daily time with an MS server to keep it up to date and keep it from crashing"
Why would you NOT keep your *nix box up-to-date and WOULD keep the Windows box up-to-date? Are the buffer overflow bugs in *nix less dangerous then the ones in Windows?
Also, I have worked with many Windows servers, and have never seen one crash. If you have having problems with a server crashing, you really need to learn how to set them up properly.
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Lets be a little realistic...... its more like apt-get install appname E: Unable to find...etc Look up what link you need to add to sources.list to get the package sudo edit sources.list proceed with install. Now that is the best case.. what if you have to compile from source?
I am confused as to why they would move straight up to Office 12? Office 12 will require quite a bit more 'power' to run then Office 2003 or OpenOffice, at least to take advantage of all the new UI features.
True, but it take an experienced user to do such things on a Linux box. For the avg it person, this is a time consuming task.
Reboot once a week??? Oh no, an entire 1 min wasted! Linux is similar to Windows, both are stable when first installed, but after installing additional apps, most are free and downloaded from the Internet, either machines will slow down, often will crash. Windows has to put up with Spyware/Adaware, which in my experience can totally f**k a machine up, while Linux deals with alot of open source softwars, where the 'frequently' released updates of its packages can result in odd behaviours.. basically your a beta tester the majority of the time. I know people who have Windows XP installed and it runs perfect since the day they got it, mind you they have clean systems and just use it to type/chat/print pictures. Most IT people will mess up any system within a matter of months simply because we have the need to install everything that looks cool. Norton Ghost is your friend ;)
Yes I did try, 'Access Denied'. First I tried it has an admin, and it worked fine, created a new users, let it in the default group which is 'Users', logon on.. tried the identical command, with a different time... 'Access Denied' was given to me. By the way this was done on Windows XP Media (Basically Windows XP Pro with additional software installed). If I am doing something wrong pls let me know, as this little trick would be EXTREMELY useful to me...lol And no I am not talking outta my ass, I am typing with a keyboard, you?
These large Unix systems... you know the ones holding all the personal data are broken into on a regular basis. However you wont hear about it unless it effects you or is something that happens locally. you would be suprised has to how often a large corporation may have security issues, but wont disclose them unless they have to.
Perhaps you should take a quick look through Microsofts technet or msdn site (a long look would take a few months) and then come back and tell us you cant find ways to secure a Windows system. This is just information from MS, there is also an abundant supply of blogs, white papers, technical articles, forums, and newsgroups out there that while also help you. Considering the relativly cheap cost of Windows, especially if gotten from an OEM, what do you expect them to do? You can purchase a truck for $50k... someone breaks your window, hot wires it and drives off. you find that truck a few days later in a ally... take it back to Ford and demand that they improve the security? What do you think is going to happen?
Same reason why Windows is more used then Linux, simplicity. Most IT people are over worked and have been dealing with this by using less security.
Doing that while running as a non-admin user wont do you much good.
OT: regarding the printer. when I bought a new printer for my linux box, I just plugged it in and the printer setup wizard started immediately. I was printing a test page in 30 seconds. The same printer on Windows XP took 5 minutes to setup and required a reboot Only reason why it would take that long and require a reboot is because you install the printers OEM cd, which installs a whole bunch of additional software that isnt required to print. Usually that additional software gives you editing options, ink/toner management from the desktop... ie things you can do from a GUI instead of doing it from the command line interface of the printer itself.. Personally I hate the OEM CDs and additional software the install, and just install the driver for the printer.
I actually have Ubuntu on both my notebook and workstation... and I can tell you that you need the command line to install things. (LiveCD may not require the command line, but if you ever want to install applications, you will need a command line). I think he actually meant to both install and administer via the command prompt. Hell half the apps I wanted to test out I had to compile myself...lol
I can just picture it now... Yeh to install that program just make a few directories, download and extract the source files from the ftp site, compile it, download the dependacies required... compile it again, then install it... simple as that.
You gotta remember that the avg user has the IT knowledge of a 10 year old, I have 4 years of programming knowledge + have been an administrator for 3 years and I have an incredibly hard time installing applications on Linux + still struggling with some. I will stick with it as I want to learn, but he has a point, Linux needs to be much easier to administer for the average user if I ever want to support it.
It is nothing like get-apt, with get-apt can I purchase a version of StarOffice or LinuxNero online and will it store my install keys/software for it. get-apt is a means of distributing free software (it is a very very nice feature, I love it, use it all the time).. its like comparing apples and oranges. https://eopen.microsoft.com/en/default.asp is a similar site, but only organizes license keys. Since we are a reseller/installer company, we need an easy way to organize licensing information for all of our clients.. this site is a huge help.... HP has a similar site, but I havent had to use it as much.
"When working with *nix you usualy only have to do an initial setup of the server to get it working in a production enviroment, while you have to spend daily time with an MS server to keep it up to date and keep it from crashing" Why would you NOT keep your *nix box up-to-date and WOULD keep the Windows box up-to-date? Are the buffer overflow bugs in *nix less dangerous then the ones in Windows? Also, I have worked with many Windows servers, and have never seen one crash. If you have having problems with a server crashing, you really need to learn how to set them up properly.