All the fancy wizards are for people who dont program for a living or for putting together quick demos..etc
I dont think many people will/would actually use the wizards for large products as the code maintnance would be hell in the long run. I believe that eventually VS.NET will be close if not easier for a non-programmer to make a small database app/Office app similar to MS Access. (You would need a little knowledge, but the wizards would do most of the work). Some people who either hate MS or hate the fact that coding has been made a lot simpler will resent this, but this is normal for most technologies.
I remember about 2 years ago when I was in college, a classmate told me that programming against.NET felt like it wasnt really programming, he prefered C++. I dont know why he would say such a thing, but the amount of time it takes to write a program in.NET compared to most other languages is huge, which is probably why the framework has grown so much and will continue.
Personally I dont use the wizards often because they generate too much code that is not needed. This was susposed to be changed a bit in the next version, also more wizards are should be added, so I may have to bit the bullet try them out again.
Has a current.NET Dev Id like to point out that.NET seems to promote using files (.config,.settings..etc) instead of using the registry. Should be known that I didnt really program all that much before.NET, so maybe I am just missing the out...but I find using files simpler
because its impossible to write 100% secure code.
Even if it was possible to write an app that was 100% sure today, but whose to say 1-2 years from now a more advanced technology arives and makes it possible to 'unsecure' that once secure code.
You probably hit the nail on the head with this one. Any company, especially one with so many good products dont want the support nightmare Linux currently is. With MS and Apple, they know what they are getting into, with Linux things can change so much from the 20+ ditros making supporting applications a possible nightmare (not to mention costly.)
A worm is not considered 'spyware' though, not to mention a firewall (even a cheap netgear router) will block worms, especially blaster (I dont think any system should be on the Internet without a firewall, although Windows IS more likely to get infected by people then other OSs when not behind a firewall)
You are correct, worms will infect systems not patched/behind a firewall, but I was refering to Spyware, which to my knowledge requires user interaction to infect.
I would assume that any 5-6 year old 'popular' OS, by this I mean has been used by has/had been install on at least 10% (modest) of desktops/serves, would be easily infected/hacked as its security vulnerabilities are widely known and well documented by now.
Forgot to mention that I have access/support about 400-500 different workstations/servers and have never seen this happen, but then again they are all behind a firewall.
Does a firewall prevent this? I am really curious, I havent seen a computer just 'get' spyware from the Internet, it usually takes user actions to get the crap on their pc. But then people like 'read' things on the net, then repeat it like they know whats going on.
Anyone care to explain to me how you get spyware on a computer without browsing to 'not-so-decent-sites' or installing junk software from the Internet?
If you think MS has 'hurt' the IT Industry then you may want to go over the past 20 years again and think about it. MS greatly helped the IT industry and the economy around it to grow fast.
Its nice to send a document to a group to look over, however its not feasible for most of the documents written in business these days. Please dont forget more features are good, if you dont think so use old versions of word processors...
One usefullness of Office is Outlook uses Word as its email editor, therefore you get the spell checker and grammar checkers... nice when you compose 30+ emails per day.
Probably not an honor, but reading an interview with the man who made the personal PC widespread (with the help from IBM and a few of their mistakes..lol) isnt a boring thing. Perhaps for you, but not for most geeks.
History eh??? Hotmail has been free for years, they have always had a 'version of it people can purchase' but my account has been free for years.
Same goes for Outlook Express, Internet Explorer (requirement for alot of work releated work), Office viewers..excel, word powerpoint..etc... Need I go on?
Please provide some examples when you make claims like that. Since Windows 95 I have never seen MS offer a free product, get a strong hold on the market they force people to purchase it...
Your correct, the 'good' Linux distro support the majority of the hardware out there, however this is a fairly new thing. But unless its supported by the vendors it doesnt mean much. Until vendors start providing Linux drivers on a 99% basis for their hardware, hardware will be a huge reason to use Windows over Linux.
Software is the other reason. MS knows why they have a handle on the market and will fight to keep it, nothing really wrong with this, any other company does the same thing, MS just happens to be one of the largest companies in the world.
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I like windows (NT systesm Windows 9x systems really suck and were not stable enough for the Internet age we are currently in).
I love the fact that Windows Media player works, I love how 95% of the software I see on the Internet is for Windows, I love the fact that 99% of the software I need to either purchase myself or recommend for a client works on Windows, I love the fact that its simple to setup and use, I love the fact that its pretty much a standard, someone calls me with a questions about an application, I dont even have to ask which OS they are using.
Because I support (and other co-workers) so many different clients in various businesses, it would be a nightmare to support 10+ different OS's not to mention trying to the amount of training, sellingh and just plain long nights I would have to do to support Windows NT systems, 5 different Linux distros, and MACs...
For us, its simple.
Windows is simple, dependable most applications out there are built for it.
MACs are just too expensive and gay looking
Linux would be a nice alternative, but there are too many distrobutions and changes taking place, perhaps in a few years when a company (hopefully not RedHat) can market it properly and sell to OEMs.
Since we dont deal with POS clones, until an OEM starts selling Linux 'properly', my love for Windows will stay.
Well i am the IT person, but I have yet too see a Windows machine crash, with the exception of a RAID Adapter going down. Only times a server goes down is when we install patches/updates either OS or Application related or the power goes out.
If you are having issues with Windows servers going down you should really get some more training, or perhaps outsource your workload, I am available if you need, we currently support about 70 servers for about 40 different clients.
Also if your servers are dropping that often, perhaps you should use quality hardware, something like an HP would probably make the difference in your organization.
I've never seen a server go down (with the exception of a hardware issue, seen a raid adapter die... not pretty). A server simply gets installed and sits there... then gets upgraded in 3-4 years to stay in the hardware warranty. Only time the server gets touched is to change a software settings.. whatever software our clients require, windows/software patches/updates or a long power outage.
If you have Windows servers crashing at random times throught a week.... lol... well you have serious issues, perhaps I can come over and support your company and change you over from Dells to HP:)
Ive been a long time reader, short time poster and one thing ive noticed is that people like to bash security issues with IE, but never come up with a solution to NOT using ActiveX... There is a reason why so many HAVE to use Internet Explorer, simply to use services by companies. IF these companies wouldnt use ActiveX components, the security risks would be trivial. I would say about 80% or more of my clients require IE to access services online. Flash is a good solution, but can do the client sides things ActiveX can do, and Java is slow and ugly, people just dont like it.
For me, Ive been trying to get Citrix installed and emule (amule for linux.. cant remember). Now the Citrix one has gotten me totally baffled..., as for amule, I cant find it in Synaptic, probably because the lists are way too large and the names are not clear. would it be so hard to
(Nice and clear, I dont need the version, build info in the name. Perhaps have a detail button)
Internet
- Firefox
- aMule
...etc
(most peopel who have been using Linux for more then 6-12 months may not find this hard, but I am %100 sure this type of stuff turns people back to Windows)
instead of
amule.44.5..sds.c.xcx description
libForm.4.5.s.d.f.s. description
I dont know, XML has gotten so useful and powerful over years, I think Synaptic shouldnt be so hard to go through.
Sorry, I am not use to the plain test format of the forums, so my last post looks a little unorganized:)
Lets be a little realistic......
its more like
apt-get install appname
E: Unable to find...etc
Look up what link you need to add to sources.list to get the package
sudo edit sources.list proceed with install.
Now that is the best case.. what if you have to compile from source?
You gotta admit its simpler to just go to the website of the application you want and download it. HOWEVER I am a huge fan of get-apt, but it needs to be dumbed down a bit to be usuable by Windows nerds like myself;)
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All the fancy wizards are for people who dont program for a living or for putting together quick demos..etc I dont think many people will/would actually use the wizards for large products as the code maintnance would be hell in the long run. I believe that eventually VS.NET will be close if not easier for a non-programmer to make a small database app/Office app similar to MS Access. (You would need a little knowledge, but the wizards would do most of the work). Some people who either hate MS or hate the fact that coding has been made a lot simpler will resent this, but this is normal for most technologies. I remember about 2 years ago when I was in college, a classmate told me that programming against .NET felt like it wasnt really programming, he prefered C++. I dont know why he would say such a thing, but the amount of time it takes to write a program in .NET compared to most other languages is huge, which is probably why the framework has grown so much and will continue.
Personally I dont use the wizards often because they generate too much code that is not needed. This was susposed to be changed a bit in the next version, also more wizards are should be added, so I may have to bit the bullet try them out again.
I cant imagine a 21" one being very portable.
Has a current .NET Dev Id like to point out that .NET seems to promote using files (.config, .settings ..etc) instead of using the registry. Should be known that I didnt really program all that much before .NET, so maybe I am just missing the out...but I find using files simpler
because its impossible to write 100% secure code. Even if it was possible to write an app that was 100% sure today, but whose to say 1-2 years from now a more advanced technology arives and makes it possible to 'unsecure' that once secure code.
You probably hit the nail on the head with this one. Any company, especially one with so many good products dont want the support nightmare Linux currently is. With MS and Apple, they know what they are getting into, with Linux things can change so much from the 20+ ditros making supporting applications a possible nightmare (not to mention costly.)
A worm is not considered 'spyware' though, not to mention a firewall (even a cheap netgear router) will block worms, especially blaster (I dont think any system should be on the Internet without a firewall, although Windows IS more likely to get infected by people then other OSs when not behind a firewall) You are correct, worms will infect systems not patched/behind a firewall, but I was refering to Spyware, which to my knowledge requires user interaction to infect. I would assume that any 5-6 year old 'popular' OS, by this I mean has been used by has/had been install on at least 10% (modest) of desktops/serves, would be easily infected/hacked as its security vulnerabilities are widely known and well documented by now.
Forgot to mention that I have access/support about 400-500 different workstations/servers and have never seen this happen, but then again they are all behind a firewall.
Does a firewall prevent this? I am really curious, I havent seen a computer just 'get' spyware from the Internet, it usually takes user actions to get the crap on their pc. But then people like 'read' things on the net, then repeat it like they know whats going on.
Anyone care to explain to me how you get spyware on a computer without browsing to 'not-so-decent-sites' or installing junk software from the Internet?
If you think MS has 'hurt' the IT Industry then you may want to go over the past 20 years again and think about it. MS greatly helped the IT industry and the economy around it to grow fast.
what does the NT kernal have to do with anything discussed here>? You dont have to troll your Windows hate all the time.
Its nice to send a document to a group to look over, however its not feasible for most of the documents written in business these days. Please dont forget more features are good, if you dont think so use old versions of word processors... One usefullness of Office is Outlook uses Word as its email editor, therefore you get the spell checker and grammar checkers... nice when you compose 30+ emails per day.
Probably not an honor, but reading an interview with the man who made the personal PC widespread (with the help from IBM and a few of their mistakes..lol) isnt a boring thing. Perhaps for you, but not for most geeks.
Not really considering Visual Studio is the best IDE out there, and its possible to include other languages in it.
Why would MS even want to use eclipse, they have Visual Studio
Documentation isnt fun to do, this is one 'serious' drawback to Open Source software, but then again you get what you pay for.
Same goes for Outlook Express, Internet Explorer (requirement for alot of work releated work), Office viewers..excel, word powerpoint..etc... Need I go on?
Please provide some examples when you make claims like that. Since Windows 95 I have never seen MS offer a free product, get a strong hold on the market they force people to purchase it...
Your correct, the 'good' Linux distro support the majority of the hardware out there, however this is a fairly new thing. But unless its supported by the vendors it doesnt mean much. Until vendors start providing Linux drivers on a 99% basis for their hardware, hardware will be a huge reason to use Windows over Linux. Software is the other reason. MS knows why they have a handle on the market and will fight to keep it, nothing really wrong with this, any other company does the same thing, MS just happens to be one of the largest companies in the world.
Because I support (and other co-workers) so many different clients in various businesses, it would be a nightmare to support 10+ different OS's not to mention trying to the amount of training, sellingh and just plain long nights I would have to do to support Windows NT systems, 5 different Linux distros, and MACs...
For us, its simple.
Windows is simple, dependable most applications out there are built for it.
MACs are just too expensive and gay looking
Linux would be a nice alternative, but there are too many distrobutions and changes taking place, perhaps in a few years when a company (hopefully not RedHat) can market it properly and sell to OEMs.
Since we dont deal with POS clones, until an OEM starts selling Linux 'properly', my love for Windows will stay.
If you are having issues with Windows servers going down you should really get some more training, or perhaps outsource your workload, I am available if you need, we currently support about 70 servers for about 40 different clients.
Also if your servers are dropping that often, perhaps you should use quality hardware, something like an HP would probably make the difference in your organization.
Thanks, I will take a look at this.
I've never seen a server go down (with the exception of a hardware issue, seen a raid adapter die ... not pretty). A server simply gets installed and sits there... then gets upgraded in 3-4 years to stay in the hardware warranty. Only time the server gets touched is to change a software settings.. whatever software our clients require, windows/software patches/updates or a long power outage.
If you have Windows servers crashing at random times throught a week.... lol... well you have serious issues, perhaps I can come over and support your company and change you over from Dells to HP :)
Ive been a long time reader, short time poster and one thing ive noticed is that people like to bash security issues with IE, but never come up with a solution to NOT using ActiveX... There is a reason why so many HAVE to use Internet Explorer, simply to use services by companies. IF these companies wouldnt use ActiveX components, the security risks would be trivial. I would say about 80% or more of my clients require IE to access services online. Flash is a good solution, but can do the client sides things ActiveX can do, and Java is slow and ugly, people just dont like it.
(Nice and clear, I dont need the version, build info in the name. Perhaps have a detail button)
Internet
- Firefox
- aMule
(most peopel who have been using Linux for more then 6-12 months may not find this hard, but I am %100 sure this type of stuff turns people back to Windows) instead of
amule.44.5..sds.c.xcx description
libForm.4.5.s.d.f.s. description
I dont know, XML has gotten so useful and powerful over years, I think Synaptic shouldnt be so hard to go through.
its more like
apt-get install appname
E: Unable to find...etc
Look up what link you need to add to sources.list to get the package
sudo edit sources.list proceed with install.
Now that is the best case.. what if you have to compile from source? You gotta admit its simpler to just go to the website of the application you want and download it. HOWEVER I am a huge fan of get-apt, but it needs to be dumbed down a bit to be usuable by Windows nerds like myself ;)