I think I draw more attention with score 0, and it's a good excuse not to draw out an argument (if you CAN'T)
I guess it feels good for some people to be able to wave around a big stick, I usually just ignored mod points when I had them to divy out because it was a waste of time going around and rating everybody's comments.
If the founding fathers had the eventual failure of the country in their mind when they were designing it it wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as it has. You're only seeing one side of this multi-sided scale. You also have to balance in national security. At what point do you throw your ideals out the window to save your own ass.
The conversations started out with breaking the law and being fearful that you'll be caught by intrusive wire taps. That's the law we're talking about buddy.
Wow, this is insightful? Sounds like pure stupidity to me. Am I to understand that unless you're breaking the law life is boring and uninteresting to you?
If an agent thinks the president is working with terrorists to release poison gas in public places for the good of the country (wtf?) he is within his rights to report it. He has the law to back him up. If he thinks he has some beef that could bring down the president's poll numbers and he leaks it for that purpose, then he has got to defend himself in court with that. You think CIA operatives should just be trusted with confidential information with no checkups at all?
You have an invasion of insects in your yard. You want to get rid of them, but there are many different kinds and you don't know how they get there in the first place. Do you build up a safe zone, careful not to let any visitor in without being bugsprayed in an airlock, and then sit back at ease knowing that there are no bugs in your yard, or do you put up a few traps? The issue here is the difficulty of "securing" your yard, keeping out all insects, and the inconvenience of it also.
I just don't care if the government wants to mull over data. That seems like a great idea to me. Moving in new directions. I hope I never have to hear about it again.
1984 is a piece of fiction. Orwell wasn't a prophet, just a good story teller. I see too many people waving 1984 around like it's the bible.
Yeah, I think there was some sort of collusion going on last time. All of my posts and any that looked like they might be mine were indiscriminately modded troll.
On the bright side, productivity was good for a couple weeks after that.
I think the whole thing sets up an unfair precedent. You use public services as they're meant to be used and you are liable for any costs incurred by the service provider. Tread carefully through the internet, beware the ToS of any site you interact with, because they may turn around and sue you later on.
Has slashdot.org ever been sued for it's costly effects on small, pay-per-traffic websites? I sure hope not. That's the site operators job to protect itself from traffic overload. It's essentially the same though, you're directing people to someone elses server.
I heard about a similar case in the news recently. Whether telecom companies (ISPs) have the right to collect fees from sites like google for consuming their bandwidth, lost when a visitor hits their website.
Someone else tries to sue google because images.google.com is linking to the images on their site.
When's the last time I heard of someone intentionally giving out website addresses or email addresses on the radio, asking listeners to hit them with as much traffic as possible, and did it ever reach litigation? Probably not...
It's like leaving the bathroom door open while you take a shit, and when someone comes walking in, you sue them for invading your bubble.
I don't see anything besides sympathy for Poul coming from other people, but really, if I had set up the NTP server with links to it on public lists, I know it's publicly available to anyone who uses it, I would EXPECT the traffic to come eventually. Maybe he should sue google for providing the clueless d-link programmer with his ntp server's address.
You know what a troll is? It's the guy who's following me around right now, most likely you. Define troll in the sense you refer to me as one.
I could care less really... so long as my posts start at 1. I think the moderation system is ridiculous here. Bunch of lunatics with hive mentality, yeah you fucks bring it on!
I suspect the guy who wrote this open letter, and submitted his self-made news to slashdot probably has read every post on here. Could be him trying to silence my opinions about him.
You're still an asshole, but I don't mind argueing with an asshole on a friday afternoon.
You'll have to keep trying there, LurkerXXX, maybe if you follow me around for a few days and use all your precious karma points, you'll reduce me to "normal" karma. Right now I'm still at good karma.:-D
By "quite a bit of money" do you mean $2500? Lawyers around here charge $100-$150 for council, what'd he do talk to the lawyer for 25 hours?
Maybe he went for the $500/hr celebrity lawyer, for 5 hours of intimate discussion.
You can call a laywer right now, on the phone, talk to him for 30 minutes explain the problem in detail, he will listen for free. If it sounds like a waste of his time he will hang up on you. This is a serious case that any lawyer would take, good pay for a lawyer to take a case like this. The lawyer is not going to charge the guy up front because he will go look for another lawyer who won't put him in such a risky situation.
Sure I'm all for the little guy getting his money, like I started out saying, I find his methods extremely dubious. It certainly is embarassing for d-link to have such half-assed firmware, I guess he could just be hell-bent on revealing them for who they really are. By the way, I own a d-link router, it's a piece of junk, reboots itself all the time.
To me it looks like he is paying off all his friends, he didn't have to pay a damn thing for this server and now all of a sudden he does and will? He's getting a lot of traffic so he pays a guy $3000 to find the problem? Now he is going for the big lawsuit with a freaking OPEN LETTER? FOR THIS????!?!!!!!! $2500 in lawyer fees and no lawsuit yet? WTF... WTF is all I have to say.
Apparently nobody cares to look at what's going on here. All anybody around here can see is little man sticking it to the big evil corporation who is ruining his life.
I'm a programmer, system administration is a subset of my duties, I've been through this many times, investigating a network anomaly. I also set up chronyd on a regular basis and I just randomly pick a server that's publicly advertised on the internet, without thinking twice about some astronomical bandwidth costs some people may be paying for my 2 kilobytes per day.
Fuck, mod me up for once, you guys who mod yourselves up (*cough* LurkerXXX) need to go get a life.
I read his open letter, where he fails to mention how much the lawyers were going to pay him. You are the asshole man.
This guy is an idiot, who's understandably in asshole mode after blowing a bunch of money on something so stupid. Why bother to track down the traffic (for $5000 no less!!!!!!!)
You are a rude and arrogant asshole. Get a good look at yourself.
I would have contacted a lawyer right after step four. Lengthy legal procedings are a lawyers job. Publicly embarassing a company is a surefire way to destroy all your free time.
I like how he doesn't mention any numbers. It's fine if he says how much they were willing to compensate him. I can't imagine they offered him any less than $1000, how much is he paying for bandwidth? He already has dedicated hosting, do they charge him $1 per megabyte or something?
This guy is an asshole. Put his NTP server up on a public repository with a note "Only people from my network and no clients!" why doesn't he just email the people on his network? Must we all be expected to scrutinize everything so closely? Somebody needs to tell asshole to go get a life, block the NTP traffic from anything outside his network if it is sooooo expensive for him. You can do that at the ISP level in most cases.
Regardless, it seems this is a moral crusade against the evil corporations. If it were me I'd hire a lawyer and get what's coming to me, skip the publicity.
We desperately need to get the religion and green politics out of our science so we can answer the questions that matter. Is the earth warming? Is it cyclic?
Whaaaaat? Who cares if the earth is warming or if it's cyclic? Lets discover what a nuclear bomb looks like on the moon god damnit.
You know the funniest thing happened to me yesterday. These mormon missionaries came up to me as I was pulling into my garage, they were yelling something from across the street, I stood there, curious, and when they got about 30 feet away I could distinctly make out the words "Gospel" which put my curiosity at rest. I decided to be polite and listen to their schpeal for a moment, the guy was sounding so goofy and canned that I thought it was a joke. They had abnormally large smiles on their faces. I started laughing at them, expecting them to laugh right along with me, but they didn't, and I realized they were 100% serious and probably offended that I was laughing. One of the guys wasn't saying anything, so I asked him if he was from America, he was he just doesn't talk much is all. I said goodbye and they asked me if I would pray for them, I agreed, I don't normally pray but as I was walking away I said a 3 second prayer. "God, bless those men."
Anyways, it's funny but you remind me of them. Good guys, really, just a little kooky is all.
When you say "clean" you are only referring to direct bi-product heavy metal isotopes, like Sr-90. A nuclear bomb still emits nuclear radiation, radiating everything in a direct line of sight. You go to the site of the trinity blast and it's a mass of solid glass with higher-than-normal radioactivity.
That's like saying the sun is not dangerous because it operates on pure fusion.
They tried to bribe him? Isn't that commonly referred to as compensation? Why not just take the money and be satisfied? Like d-link routers are inferior to the PC's the server was meant to serve?
If you make an open NTP server you don't have any legal rights other than to turn it off, and if they are willing to pay for your trouble then take it!
In the short history of Israel (as we know it since WW2), they have been in a constant state of war. Each time they are invaded they push the enemy back and take more land, and it makes the enemy mad but they are still defeated. That war has evolved into terrorism, the one, sure-fire way to destroy israel is with a nuclear bomb.
They would get in through Syria, their home-boy. It will happen, you have to get into the minds of these religious extremists. They have a lot of power over there, Hamas, Hezbollah, they're all bent on destroying Israel. Israel will likely launch nuclear weapons and destroy most of the Arab world. Actually I am not so certain about that, but who knows with Sharon gone, anything could happen.
I think you're a liar, a moron and a hot head. Look at my comment you fool, I said hard composite armor is the way to go. You could wear the thickest armor you could find, it would slow your running speed the heavier you get, making you ineffective at doing what you're there for.
You could sit in a tank all day for what good it would do you. Why not have the fam send you a big steel box to sit in?
The future will be light, hard composites. As the bullet strikes it, it pivots to a higher relative angle as the bullet trajectory. Much more efficient than stopping a bullet dead. Even this dragon skin is likely to put disabling bruises on your body.
That is, if it even works like you say. Who's spinning this?
If the army just wanted you to go and die, they would have banned personal body armor in 2003.
I don't buy that a military guy could be as senseless as you. Why doesn't the army equip all soldiers with the latest high-tech weaponry that nobody knows how to use? Why don't you go out and buy the newest, most expensive car, it'll save your life in a car accident you know, at least that's what they tell you when you buy it. Maybe you should wear a football helmet when you go outside, even if it obstructs your vision.
I've found if you can get 3 or 4 inches up the curb, you end up better off. Just make sure you bought the expensive tires with the thick walls, and your turning radius is above par. That's how I get into the REAL tight spots. My subaru has an incredible turning radius.
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I guess it feels good for some people to be able to wave around a big stick, I usually just ignored mod points when I had them to divy out because it was a waste of time going around and rating everybody's comments.
The conversations started out with breaking the law and being fearful that you'll be caught by intrusive wire taps. That's the law we're talking about buddy.
Somebody call Jack Bower!
Wow, this is insightful? Sounds like pure stupidity to me. Am I to understand that unless you're breaking the law life is boring and uninteresting to you?
If an agent thinks the president is working with terrorists to release poison gas in public places for the good of the country (wtf?) he is within his rights to report it. He has the law to back him up. If he thinks he has some beef that could bring down the president's poll numbers and he leaks it for that purpose, then he has got to defend himself in court with that. You think CIA operatives should just be trusted with confidential information with no checkups at all?
I just don't care if the government wants to mull over data. That seems like a great idea to me. Moving in new directions. I hope I never have to hear about it again.
1984 is a piece of fiction. Orwell wasn't a prophet, just a good story teller. I see too many people waving 1984 around like it's the bible.
Not all of us have clandestine marijuana growing operations, dude.
On the bright side, productivity was good for a couple weeks after that.
Has slashdot.org ever been sued for it's costly effects on small, pay-per-traffic websites? I sure hope not. That's the site operators job to protect itself from traffic overload. It's essentially the same though, you're directing people to someone elses server.
I heard about a similar case in the news recently. Whether telecom companies (ISPs) have the right to collect fees from sites like google for consuming their bandwidth, lost when a visitor hits their website.
Someone else tries to sue google because images.google.com is linking to the images on their site.
When's the last time I heard of someone intentionally giving out website addresses or email addresses on the radio, asking listeners to hit them with as much traffic as possible, and did it ever reach litigation? Probably not...
It's like leaving the bathroom door open while you take a shit, and when someone comes walking in, you sue them for invading your bubble.
I don't see anything besides sympathy for Poul coming from other people, but really, if I had set up the NTP server with links to it on public lists, I know it's publicly available to anyone who uses it, I would EXPECT the traffic to come eventually. Maybe he should sue google for providing the clueless d-link programmer with his ntp server's address.
I could care less really... so long as my posts start at 1. I think the moderation system is ridiculous here. Bunch of lunatics with hive mentality, yeah you fucks bring it on!
I suspect the guy who wrote this open letter, and submitted his self-made news to slashdot probably has read every post on here. Could be him trying to silence my opinions about him.
You're still an asshole, but I don't mind argueing with an asshole on a friday afternoon.
You'll have to keep trying there, LurkerXXX, maybe if you follow me around for a few days and use all your precious karma points, you'll reduce me to "normal" karma. Right now I'm still at good karma. :-D
Maybe he went for the $500/hr celebrity lawyer, for 5 hours of intimate discussion.
You can call a laywer right now, on the phone, talk to him for 30 minutes explain the problem in detail, he will listen for free. If it sounds like a waste of his time he will hang up on you. This is a serious case that any lawyer would take, good pay for a lawyer to take a case like this. The lawyer is not going to charge the guy up front because he will go look for another lawyer who won't put him in such a risky situation.
Sure I'm all for the little guy getting his money, like I started out saying, I find his methods extremely dubious. It certainly is embarassing for d-link to have such half-assed firmware, I guess he could just be hell-bent on revealing them for who they really are. By the way, I own a d-link router, it's a piece of junk, reboots itself all the time.
Apparently nobody cares to look at what's going on here. All anybody around here can see is little man sticking it to the big evil corporation who is ruining his life.
I'm a programmer, system administration is a subset of my duties, I've been through this many times, investigating a network anomaly. I also set up chronyd on a regular basis and I just randomly pick a server that's publicly advertised on the internet, without thinking twice about some astronomical bandwidth costs some people may be paying for my 2 kilobytes per day.
Fuck, mod me up for once, you guys who mod yourselves up (*cough* LurkerXXX) need to go get a life.
This guy is an idiot, who's understandably in asshole mode after blowing a bunch of money on something so stupid. Why bother to track down the traffic (for $5000 no less!!!!!!!)
You are a rude and arrogant asshole. Get a good look at yourself.
I like how he doesn't mention any numbers. It's fine if he says how much they were willing to compensate him. I can't imagine they offered him any less than $1000, how much is he paying for bandwidth? He already has dedicated hosting, do they charge him $1 per megabyte or something?
This guy is an asshole. Put his NTP server up on a public repository with a note "Only people from my network and no clients!" why doesn't he just email the people on his network? Must we all be expected to scrutinize everything so closely? Somebody needs to tell asshole to go get a life, block the NTP traffic from anything outside his network if it is sooooo expensive for him. You can do that at the ISP level in most cases.
Yay for porn!
Regardless, it seems this is a moral crusade against the evil corporations. If it were me I'd hire a lawyer and get what's coming to me, skip the publicity.
We desperately need to get the religion and green politics out of our science so we can answer the questions that matter. Is the earth warming? Is it cyclic?
Whaaaaat? Who cares if the earth is warming or if it's cyclic? Lets discover what a nuclear bomb looks like on the moon god damnit.
Anyways, it's funny but you remind me of them. Good guys, really, just a little kooky is all.
That's like saying the sun is not dangerous because it operates on pure fusion.
I'll tell the wife we can buy that customized muscle car now.
If you make an open NTP server you don't have any legal rights other than to turn it off, and if they are willing to pay for your trouble then take it!
They would get in through Syria, their home-boy. It will happen, you have to get into the minds of these religious extremists. They have a lot of power over there, Hamas, Hezbollah, they're all bent on destroying Israel. Israel will likely launch nuclear weapons and destroy most of the Arab world. Actually I am not so certain about that, but who knows with Sharon gone, anything could happen.
You could sit in a tank all day for what good it would do you. Why not have the fam send you a big steel box to sit in?
The future will be light, hard composites. As the bullet strikes it, it pivots to a higher relative angle as the bullet trajectory. Much more efficient than stopping a bullet dead. Even this dragon skin is likely to put disabling bruises on your body.
That is, if it even works like you say. Who's spinning this?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns -ap-army-body-armor,1,6953058.story?coll=chi-news- hed
If the army just wanted you to go and die, they would have banned personal body armor in 2003.
I don't buy that a military guy could be as senseless as you. Why doesn't the army equip all soldiers with the latest high-tech weaponry that nobody knows how to use? Why don't you go out and buy the newest, most expensive car, it'll save your life in a car accident you know, at least that's what they tell you when you buy it. Maybe you should wear a football helmet when you go outside, even if it obstructs your vision.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,usa3_0 42104.00.html
10 years ago all you could get was kevlar. You get all fired up over nothing, you fucking fool.
I've found if you can get 3 or 4 inches up the curb, you end up better off. Just make sure you bought the expensive tires with the thick walls, and your turning radius is above par. That's how I get into the REAL tight spots. My subaru has an incredible turning radius.