It will be a complete waste of time. Mr. Ham isn't there to change his opinion of anything.
It's not about convincing Ham. It's about exposing Ham's congregation to actual arguments. If fundie parents sit down and watch this with their kids, the kids might come away with a few new ideas. That's a good thing.
Let's see: Several months of buildup telling their kids that evolution is 'just a theory that has yet to be proved', telling their kids that there's 'still a debate', telling the kids in advance that Mr. Nye is a liar, etc.
All that vs. one hour of TV with the parents constantly telling the kids that Satan is speaking through Mr. Nye to test their faith.
What's the point of a 'debate' where one side is held to rigorous standards of proof (including the proving of negatives!) and the other side is allowed to just make up whatever they want to support their argument?
It seems that the USA has this weird interpretation that US citizens should have all the legal obligations that US residents should have, even if they are not US residents anymore, including obligations that US residents that are not citizens.
That's because most expats demand free entry into the USA whenever they feel like it, wave their US passport at border controls when they travel, run to the nearest US Embassy whenever there's trouble, etc.
You should renounce your US citizenship if you want them to stop asking for stuff in return for those privileges.
The problem is that the DEA takes this one step further. They take investigative measures they're not supposed to, and then try to do the whole "well let's find some legal way to find this."
That's the issue.
So? They're only breaking the spirit of the law, not the letter.
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I'd see them close their argument with the very same claim that had just been destroyed.
Video proof for those who doubt this phenomenon: https://www.youtube.com/user/T...
I hope you don't mind some of us 'borrowing' that gem for our own use. :-)
Please find out who originally said it and add the proper attribution when you do... ;-)
Question: Why do you care so much what other people teach their kids?
Very simple: Because those kids grow up to run the country.
People like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Those kids will very definitely go around telling other people what they can/can't do (eg. gay marriage).
Only one of those was claiming moral superiority.
I wanted to consider the evidence for Christianity, but there wasn't any.
for many fundies, it will be the very first time they're ALLOWED to hear the truth of the matter.
You don't think the churches have been brainwashing their flocks ready for this? They're the ones who asked for this debate.
Guess what the headline is today on Conservapedia: http://www.conservapedia.com/M... (they even provide the Youtube link for you).
Nope, they know what they're doing.
spreading info to those that never heard it before IS useful, even if it won't sway the majority of the closed minds.
...except they will have heard it before.
Sort of.
Their churches will have been twisting and distorting the main Atheist arguments for the last six months during the build-up to this.
And how is that worse than never exposing these people to any contradictory information at all?
These people go around wearing fact-proof vests. It's the only way they can survive.
I garantee that this 'debate' has been pre-debated to death in their churches for the last six months and their minds are now closed to it.
Anything the nasty Atheist can possibly say today has already been twisted and dismissed in their minds.
They usually boil down to who's the better public speaker.
Nope. These days it boils down to who has the best hair.
Fact: 70% of men have hair loss.
Questions: (a) How many US presidents were bald? (b) How many since TV was invented?
(Answers: (a) Five. (b) Only one, and his opponent was bald as well, so...)
There is no downside to this debate.
Apart from all those parents telling their kids "Look, there's still a debate! They've been debating for years and they've never won, not once!"
True, but setting up farcical debates isn't the way to do it. The Christians have had months to prepare their children for what they're about to see.
We need more surprise attacks which can catch the children away from their brainwashing parents (like Richard Dawkins with his buses)
We need more legal challenges to government abuses (eg. getting Ten Commandments out of courtrooms, state funding of nativity scenes).
We need more people like these guys who connect directly with people: https://www.youtube.com/user/T...
Oh, I don't think it's a waste of time if Nye manages to make Ham look as silly to his followers as he does to the rest of the world.
How many televangelists have been caught in hotel rooms with hookers/cocaine? Did that change anybody's opinion?
How many videos like this do we have to post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
(Scary to think that she was running a state...)
It will be a complete waste of time. Mr. Ham isn't there to change his opinion of anything.
It's not about convincing Ham. It's about exposing Ham's congregation to actual arguments. If fundie parents sit down and watch this with their kids, the kids might come away with a few new ideas. That's a good thing.
Let's see: Several months of buildup telling their kids that evolution is 'just a theory that has yet to be proved', telling their kids that there's 'still a debate', telling the kids in advance that Mr. Nye is a liar, etc.
All that vs. one hour of TV with the parents constantly telling the kids that Satan is speaking through Mr. Nye to test their faith.
On balance, not a good deal for the world.
Yep.
What's the point of a 'debate' where one side is held to rigorous standards of proof (including the proving of negatives!) and the other side is allowed to just make up whatever they want to support their argument?
...except that religion isn't just a harmless social thing that people do on Sundays.
They're in government, deciding how to run the country (eg. Bush deciding to go to war).
They're trying to remove evolution from the education system.
They get tax breaks.
etc.
Coordinated Universal Time. aka Greenwich mean time. aka what time it is in England, the place calling the shots when time zones were invented.
To get eastern time from UTC, subtract 5.
So to answer his question: It's 00:00, aka midnight.
You're expecting something worthwhile from this?
It will be a complete waste of time. Mr. Ham isn't there to change his opinion of anything.
Mr. Nye should know better than to participate, let's hope he learns that today.
It seems that the USA has this weird interpretation that US citizens should have all the legal obligations that US residents should have, even if they are not US residents anymore, including obligations that US residents that are not citizens.
That's because most expats demand free entry into the USA whenever they feel like it, wave their US passport at border controls when they travel, run to the nearest US Embassy whenever there's trouble, etc.
You should renounce your US citizenship if you want them to stop asking for stuff in return for those privileges.
All you need to do is renounce your US citizenship and become a Kiwi. Job done.
This treaty is for people who want to have their cake and eat it.
But something was taken. A copy was taken.
No, something was *created*. A copy was *made*.
The problem is that the DEA takes this one step further. They take investigative measures they're not supposed to, and then try to do the whole "well let's find some legal way to find this."
That's the issue.
So? They're only breaking the spirit of the law, not the letter.
They're all way behind Spain...
Why only 4 gallons? And why not put it in a trailer, along with some space for a couple more suitcases? One that you can rent when you need it?
I guarantee you the Tesla was exceeding the speed limit.
...but their competitors can't do some simple math and *prove* it.
This is an idea I've always thought would be nice. You could even hook up an electric generator on the trailer for easy refueling.
That's a good idea.
A little trailer with a generator in it for long trips - go as far as you want to!