I didn't intend to paint a "conservatives & religious people vs. the rest of us" portrait. I do stand by my assertion that in the long run conservatives will ultimately lose, because by definition, a conservative wants things to stay the same. I don't see conservative and liberal as dirty words. They are simply descriptions. I used the creation in the schools issue as an extreme example of one conservative viewpoint that one group of people want to cling to, despite the changes in the world to the contrary since that was a dominant belief.
I don't thing it is one side vs. another. It is much more complex than that, as we all have conservative and liberal beliefs (and faiths) that overlap.
"...I have neither the time nor the inclination to go into the contrasts between the greedy cynicism of the "Red" versus the didactic utopianism of the Confucian --...."
Ha! That's my favorite line. You don't have the time? How much time did you just spend on that monologue? Holy cats! It doesn't seem like you are actually interested in a discussion--and if you are, great, here I am, but try a little brevity next time.
However, I will be happy to answer your direct question which appears a the end of your lecture:
(By the way, Mr. Nygard: "Faith has it's place for some people in society..." I thought your thesis was that it doesn't have a place? Oppose 'faith' or not, but be honest about it. Are you a man or some cowardly Ferengi?)
I don't know where you presumed I have a thesis that proclaims faith doesn't have a place. You spent a lot of words talking around something I didn't say. If you'd like to know what I think about that I'll be happy to tell you: thankfully our country is free and structured in such a way to allow folks to have the faiths of their choosing. However, as I did say, faith does not invent rocket ships. It can give comfort while you are stuck in on--and that's great. Just for clarity, what I actually said was:
Fact-based evolution is currently being denounced and taken out of some school curriculums, to be replaced, or taught side-by-side, with faith-based creationism. Faith has it's place for some people in society, but it didn't get us to the moon and beyond.
My other point was that creation being taught as equivalent to science-based knowledge is a backwards step for society. If you think otherwise, I respectfully disagree.
It's amazing to me how some people see the films so completely differently. Your guess is as good as mine. But that's my guess (above). If you check any of my films out, let me know what you decide.
Yes, that was a shortened 44 minute version of the full length 84 minute version, which is what you get on the DVD or VHS release. Plus extra bonus stuff.
You must be an Orono High School grad. Or a Univ. of Minn. alumnus? The Indestructible Man (8mm made when I was 15) is on my DVD release of SUCKERS. But not many people have seen Beyond The Phone. I'll put that one out one of these days. Thanks for the kind words.
No insult or jab was meant, Fatcatman. I respect your political and religious beliefs. But I would hope that you don't really feel that because I disagree with you on some things it automatically makes me an idiot and an asshole.
If you or anybody can provide some kind of verifiable evidence that the world was created in 7 days I will consider coming over to that side. But at the moment vast amounts of evidence in the fossil records supports evolution.
It's cool that you are a supporter of space-based technology, there are always exceptions and you're one of the cool ones. But I wish the conservatives currently in power were more interested in funding NASA than corporate tax breaks. But here we are...
We interviewd Wil in the first Trekkies and he was great. Very gracious and intelligent. We ran into him at a Pasadena Creation convention. A good egg.
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Now that's brevity. Bravo!
But the silver lining in a societal pause, or a regression, is that it is followed by a burst forward, like the Renaissance.
But because something is funny doesn't automatically mean they are weird or crazy. Laugher is healthy...
I didn't intend to paint a "conservatives & religious people vs. the rest of us" portrait. I do stand by my assertion that in the long run conservatives will ultimately lose, because by definition, a conservative wants things to stay the same. I don't see conservative and liberal as dirty words. They are simply descriptions. I used the creation in the schools issue as an extreme example of one conservative viewpoint that one group of people want to cling to, despite the changes in the world to the contrary since that was a dominant belief.
I don't thing it is one side vs. another. It is much more complex than that, as we all have conservative and liberal beliefs (and faiths) that overlap.
Thanks for some good e-conversation.
Ha! That's my favorite line. You don't have the time? How much time did you just spend on that monologue? Holy cats! It doesn't seem like you are actually interested in a discussion--and if you are, great, here I am, but try a little brevity next time.
However, I will be happy to answer your direct question which appears a the end of your lecture:
(By the way, Mr. Nygard: "Faith has it's place for some people in society..." I thought your thesis was that it doesn't have a place? Oppose 'faith' or not, but be honest about it. Are you a man or some cowardly Ferengi?)
I don't know where you presumed I have a thesis that proclaims faith doesn't have a place. You spent a lot of words talking around something I didn't say. If you'd like to know what I think about that I'll be happy to tell you: thankfully our country is free and structured in such a way to allow folks to have the faiths of their choosing. However, as I did say, faith does not invent rocket ships. It can give comfort while you are stuck in on--and that's great. Just for clarity, what I actually said was:
Fact-based evolution is currently being denounced and taken out of some school curriculums, to be replaced, or taught side-by-side, with faith-based creationism. Faith has it's place for some people in society, but it didn't get us to the moon and beyond.
My other point was that creation being taught as equivalent to science-based knowledge is a backwards step for society. If you think otherwise, I respectfully disagree.
How about open minded?
Data costumes are great, especially if you've got the contact lenses. But I've seen some Seven of Nine costumes that blew my mind.
I believe you are right. If you take a blatant position on an issue (e.g., "Trekkies are normal" or "Trekkies are weird") it becomes propaganda.
You're not the only one. That was also mentioned by a Klingon interviewee in Trekkies 2...
To prove your true allegiance, you must not bath for one month. Then you will receive you next instructions.
I like the sound of that. Women get in free.
It's amazing to me how some people see the films so completely differently. Your guess is as good as mine. But that's my guess (above). If you check any of my films out, let me know what you decide.
Yes, that was a shortened 44 minute version of the full length 84 minute version, which is what you get on the DVD or VHS release. Plus extra bonus stuff.
You must be an Orono High School grad. Or a Univ. of Minn. alumnus? The Indestructible Man (8mm made when I was 15) is on my DVD release of SUCKERS. But not many people have seen Beyond The Phone. I'll put that one out one of these days. Thanks for the kind words.
No insult or jab was meant, Fatcatman. I respect your political and religious beliefs. But I would hope that you don't really feel that because I disagree with you on some things it automatically makes me an idiot and an asshole. If you or anybody can provide some kind of verifiable evidence that the world was created in 7 days I will consider coming over to that side. But at the moment vast amounts of evidence in the fossil records supports evolution. It's cool that you are a supporter of space-based technology, there are always exceptions and you're one of the cool ones. But I wish the conservatives currently in power were more interested in funding NASA than corporate tax breaks. But here we are...
We interviewd Wil in the first Trekkies and he was great. Very gracious and intelligent. We ran into him at a Pasadena Creation convention. A good egg.
No, it is literally burned into the inside of my skull bone by a wood burning tool. Can you prove me wrong?
You are correct, sir! And cut!
I actually scanned through and grabbed a few extras. Always gime more that what you are paid for. Since I was paid zero, that was easy.