I couldn't agree with you more, I mean... I am not one of those that is either a neo-nazi, national socialist or holocaust deniers (or all together), but I agree that from the view of state->state, neither of us should be "allowed" to criticize the Turkish government.
BUT, on the other hand; I am not a representative of my country in my views of this issue, and I believe that the behaviour of the turkish government is wrong in this particular case.
I spent some time in Turkey not too long ago. I heard nothing from the people I met there about Turks' issues with Kurds. Rather they were all convinced the reason Turkey wasn't a shoe-in to the EU its its economic status. Just a bit of info.
Where in Turkey did you go? (I'm only curious!:-))
Living in a country in the EU, I can tell that both the economical AND the humanitarian issues are high on the list of issues taken in consideration. Another issue is border control.
The key to preventing your fans from publishing your copyrighted material is to sue them, of course. Failing that, you need to sing in a very unintelligible manner.
Would suing the fans keep your lyrics offline? I don't think so...
I was originally going to reply to this with a link to a google search for "sound," and then common audio file extensions. Then I realised a search feature similar to GIS would be fucking wicked. I suspect such a thing would quickly be attacked by the RIAA (as a video search would be attacked by the MPAA), regardless that there are tonnes of free (public domain, permissive licenses, etc) audio out there.
You *can* search for mp3s now, but I meant, like you surely understood indexing the actual soundfile, and perhaps even do a search from within the actual song. Would be wicked indeed!!!;-)
Gah, I meant when your fans or whatever starts to put your lyrics online etc. (I thought one step "beyond";-)) But hey, can't wait 'till Google starts indexing sound:-P
I meant the actual value of the words. If you want to work after your logic, then it would be very hard to sleep at night.
I, of course, meant the original meaning of these two words, and the values attached to them.
I am no "America hater", but the actions in South America, for example Chile, makes the USA have blood on their hands. This is not something that the media speak loud about either. (All in the name of the cold war and the fight against communism.)
It's quite ironic that the word "communism" is replaced by "terrorism" in our era, don't you think?!
Or perhaps remain "anonymous" and trust the site they're writing on to not give out their info?! I don't know... I only know that I don't like the situation at all!:-/
Of course, what a poltician says doesn't have to be the universal truth, but on the same time Turkey is indeed *very* important in the future of Europe, as they are the bridge towards the middle-east.
I do believe that Turkey have "gotten away" with a lot, due to their strategic importance for NATO.
As you hint, one has to put things in perspective when it comes to the issue of Turkey and the region around it.
Yes, I believe you are right in this, but how does putting information about them in DMOZ make this DMOZ-editor a criminal?
I can't see the correlation here.
Well, yes... there have been cases where sites telling people to kill George W. Bush have been closed down, for example in Norway.
Not that I condone anything of the above, but it was a mere example where words may get you in trouble.
PS. Was your post ironic?;-)
Not to start a flame war, but how many kurds is the turkish government and military / police responsible of killing?
To put things "head to head", so to speak.
Is it the political information about the kurds that the turkish government wants to remove from DMOZ, or is it about kurds in general?
When reading these things, I feel reluctant to have Turkey joining the European Union.
They simply have to get better, and it will be very interesting to see if the turkish government can do this before the set deadline.
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I couldn't agree with you more, I mean... I am not one of those that is either a neo-nazi, national socialist or holocaust deniers (or all together), but I agree that from the view of state->state, neither of us should be "allowed" to criticize the Turkish government.
:-)
BUT, on the other hand; I am not a representative of my country in my views of this issue, and I believe that the behaviour of the turkish government is wrong in this particular case.
Can you see the point I'm trying to make?
I spent some time in Turkey not too long ago. I heard nothing from the people I met there about Turks' issues with Kurds. Rather they were all convinced the reason Turkey wasn't a shoe-in to the EU its its economic status. Just a bit of info.
:-))
Where in Turkey did you go? (I'm only curious!
Living in a country in the EU, I can tell that both the economical AND the humanitarian issues are high on the list of issues taken in consideration. Another issue is border control.
The key to preventing your fans from publishing your copyrighted material is to sue them, of course. Failing that, you need to sing in a very unintelligible manner.
;-)
Would suing the fans keep your lyrics offline? I don't think so...
I was originally going to reply to this with a link to a google search for "sound," and then common audio file extensions. Then I realised a search feature similar to GIS would be fucking wicked. I suspect such a thing would quickly be attacked by the RIAA (as a video search would be attacked by the MPAA), regardless that there are tonnes of free (public domain, permissive licenses, etc) audio out there.
You *can* search for mp3s now, but I meant, like you surely understood indexing the actual soundfile, and perhaps even do a search from within the actual song. Would be wicked indeed!!!
No they have not. And they fight against efforts to recognise the genocide (not only in Turkey, but in other countries as well.)
What other countries?
Further, it's to this day illegal to have an Armenian last name in Turkey.
I didn't know that - can anyone else back that statement up?
Gah, I meant when your fans or whatever starts to put your lyrics online etc. (I thought one step "beyond" ;-)) But hey, can't wait 'till Google starts indexing sound :-P
Yeah well... there are!!! O_o :-D
So, then it's OK that he was thrown in jail?! You are scaring me...
I meant the actual value of the words. If you want to work after your logic, then it would be very hard to sleep at night. I, of course, meant the original meaning of these two words, and the values attached to them.
I am no "America hater", but the actions in South America, for example Chile, makes the USA have blood on their hands. This is not something that the media speak loud about either. (All in the name of the cold war and the fight against communism.) It's quite ironic that the word "communism" is replaced by "terrorism" in our era, don't you think?!
It would get out in any case, right?!!
Care to develop what you started?
Words can be the difference between "democracy" and "dictatorship". Only words, but the built-in value of these words are huge.
Even if the state TV is biased, the PKK have still killed indviduals, but so has the turkish state. Why not ask the greeks, for example?!
Ah come on, this was 1915. Though, hasn't Turkey admitted the atrocities back in the day? Correct me if I'm wrong.
It *did* happen, and it's not bullshit at all... some norwegian rappers got their site closed down due to threatening George W Bush on their site.
Or perhaps remain "anonymous" and trust the site they're writing on to not give out their info?! I don't know... I only know that I don't like the situation at all! :-/
Of course, what a poltician says doesn't have to be the universal truth, but on the same time Turkey is indeed *very* important in the future of Europe, as they are the bridge towards the middle-east. I do believe that Turkey have "gotten away" with a lot, due to their strategic importance for NATO. As you hint, one has to put things in perspective when it comes to the issue of Turkey and the region around it.
Yes, I believe you are right in this, but how does putting information about them in DMOZ make this DMOZ-editor a criminal? I can't see the correlation here.
Well, yes... there have been cases where sites telling people to kill George W. Bush have been closed down, for example in Norway. Not that I condone anything of the above, but it was a mere example where words may get you in trouble. PS. Was your post ironic? ;-)
Not to start a flame war, but how many kurds is the turkish government and military / police responsible of killing? To put things "head to head", so to speak.
Is it the political information about the kurds that the turkish government wants to remove from DMOZ, or is it about kurds in general? When reading these things, I feel reluctant to have Turkey joining the European Union. They simply have to get better, and it will be very interesting to see if the turkish government can do this before the set deadline.