Re:reports of SCO's demise...
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Couldn't have said it better myself. This article is clearly a bunch of Linux zealotry FUD! It asserts that Linux was one of the main reasons for the supposed downfall of SCO. Just because you don't see SCO UNIX on that computer mommy and daddy bought you doesn't mean SCO is deceased. Take a look at some of their customers. SIEMENS, the world's largest telecommunications company, runs SCO UNIX variants of that series. And IBM must surely think highly of SCO to collaborate with them on Monterey. If those two behemoths don't convince you its time to go sleep with your head packed in ice. The entire bit about creating their Linux division is merely bandwagon tactics. Look at the Linux companies that are making money. Oops! I forgot, none of them are! Red Hat could be considered dead from their post IPO performance as could every other one of them. Then by that you could claim Linux is the downfall of SCO, not by it being a superior product, but by it being those trendy pair of pants all the girls purchase then stop wearing two months later because they're out of style. You're OS should be a tool, not a religion. I wouldn't put Linux in my top five, Win2000 tops it. I guess AIX and Tru64 are now obsolete since I don't have them at home either. So while Linux gains all the pimple faced 15-year-olds (don't believe me? Attend a LUG) the competent professionals will choose Solaris/AIX/*BSD.
Right, so communists countries don't have a history for inhuman spy tactics on their own citizens. At one point in Soviet Moscow, one in eight people worked the KGB. China is the bane of everything ragingly liberal and righteously conservative. They unabashedly mock your human rights case and are the bane of capitolism. If the average person wasn't so apathetic and stupified by CNN(insert favorite govertainment news source here, BBC, NBC, etc) we would have already gunned them down.
The main reason there is such a big push for computers in the classroom is that there is money to be made in it all. Not only that is that one county/principal/teacher can always brag that they have the newest and presumably the best machines for the tax dollar. The peepee stained urine hole I recently graduated from had purchased Pentium II's to teach students for a "web design" class where notepad was being used. Sounds like overkill to me. Even if the school had an excellent class AND computers fitted for the course, you will NEVER see a sentient computer teacher in public school. To plop a student in front of an overpriced Dell isn't the answer. What about the kids who prefer pure dictation?
If you wanna look at uptimes for most NOS's check out Uptimes Project. Look at the all-time Top 10. The leader is an old NetBSD 1.1B box with about 1,500 days which is a runaway lead over the next box which just happens to a Linux one. The one who dominates the top 20 is FreeBSD though and the rest of the pack is just overflowing with the sheer quantity of everybody and their grandma's Linux box. Which then brings up the Quality vs. Quantity debate:)
BSD has hype now? Wow, first time hype has ever been used to describe any BSD. Then what about the Linux "hype" about how it is supposedly easier for newbies to pick up? Or that its better as a desktop? The once a month BSD article slashdot decides to run has turn into (always has been?) is when all the kiddies come out to bash OS blah without even basic vnode concepts. Lets use real ammo rather than the "he said she said" crap. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
Come on, where is the smallest amount of journalistic integrity? By Slashdot actually including the "Bug-Free" section just creates more propaganda in the Linux camp. NOTHING is bug free. It's amazing how many lies have been manifested and actually believed with this kind of crud on Slashdot.
Miguel: "...but I don't think their [BSD] tools have evolved like they should have evolved. Their kernel is great, but their tools, their userland, is just ancient. It needs some updating (the emphasis is mine). And, doing a Red Hat port, you'll hate me here, but the Red Hat port to the BSD kernel, looks like a good idea. You get some nice features from the kernel, and it'd be nice if you could just switch the application and run on the kernel is more interesting to you. Actually, you can do that. If the library is the same, and if the application is going to do any system calls, they just call the library, you can actually have binaries from both the BSD kernel and the Linux kernel."
And here is Theo's rebuttal shamelessly ripped from The o's Response
Miguel is wrong. I never find core files for the stock OpenBSD binaries. When bash.core stops being found, perhaps he can make some claims. When they stop having security holes, perhaps they can start to claim that their userland tools are non-ancient. When they stop calling mktemp(), inet_addr(), and strcpy, then perhaps they can start to claim something like that. Their source code is unmaintained.
Maybe short-sighted wasn't a good description for Miguel, ignorant would have been perfect. Try not to worship people from now on.
NetBSD DOES mention OpenBSD on a couple of the the planned ports pages. OpenBSD's founding was a very ugly mess considering Theo was one of the founders of NetBSD and he practically wrote the entire sparc port. He's a really smart guy but is lacking many social graces (look at the OpenSSH.org issue) just as GNOME's Miguel does. Miguel is one short-sighted fool.
The US is much more communist than one might think. WE are being exposed to them and told just how great their Utopia is. Plus the average person is a waste of life who just consumes what they are told by TV.
China has the following difficult problems to solve: 1) Its population, 2) How to move to a Democracy without falling into revolution or anarchy. Everything else is minor by comparison.
When you say China it implies that their communist goverment itself is faced with these problems. A communist government will hardly lean towards anything resembling freedom. They can call themselves a republic all they want but if goverment mandated communism (even it if isn't blatant) it is still oppresive. The "rational" person would preach the sanctity of UN based conferences while subjectively crucifying the "irrational" men like Douglas McArthur who wanted to nuke the communists.
Yeah, but the average person is too stupid to look at more than one variable. Free trade with China must be good; the billions of people will be able to buy our products with the 20 cents an hour they're making, but since Ted Kopel says its OK then it must be true. So when the TV is telling you to how communist countries are so decent places just remember they shoot kill people for speaking democratic views then charge the bullet to the family of the deceased. Look at Tianamen Square for a good reference. Liberals are stupid.
Don't portray your ignorance as reasoning not to use UNIX. Your inability to keep up-to-date with patches was the problem. You can't put a box in the public domain and not expect people not to try to jerk with it. You'd probably give a baby a knife to teeth on. Fool you once, shame on me. Fool you twice, shame on you.
You clearly do NOT understand BSD style licenses. If I wrote a web server (apache) and BSDL'd it, it would allow people to improve it (Stronghold) which in turn would cause me to strive to improve my product over the proprietary offspring. And why would my company pay several thousand dollars for something when we could get something slightly less featureful for free? The proprietary option had better be great to beat out the free version. Free is good but not necessary.
VTech has always made notoriously shotty electronic products. Their phones, which are everywhere, seem like they were assembled by Corky The Retard. Parts constantly short out when they are within ten miles of any liquid. VTech makes trash. Associating Linux with VTech is NOT good for Linux's reputation.
Conservative development model makes more sense.
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It allows people to mull over their options and refine their work. It's like fine wine. You can't hurry it along (well you could use anti-freeze but it'd kill you) if you want quality. Look how long it takes pharmaceutical companies to develop their drugs. They take their time and TEST it rather than beta their heart medicine in the public domain and which would lead to remote kernel panics. oops! I mean death.
Using Wozniak or other esoteric cases as examples to programmer longevity isn't exactly kosher. Woz has enough money he doesn't have to program any more but just sit back and teach youngin's how to draw on those old Mac's. We seem to lose all our brilliance over time like a piece of steel left in the open.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. This article is clearly a bunch of Linux zealotry FUD! It asserts that Linux was one of the main reasons for the supposed downfall of SCO. Just because you don't see SCO UNIX on that computer mommy and daddy bought you doesn't mean SCO is deceased. Take a look at some of their customers. SIEMENS, the world's largest telecommunications company, runs SCO UNIX variants of that series. And IBM must surely think highly of SCO to collaborate with them on Monterey. If those two behemoths don't convince you its time to go sleep with your head packed in ice. The entire bit about creating their Linux division is merely bandwagon tactics. Look at the Linux companies that are making money. Oops! I forgot, none of them are! Red Hat could be considered dead from their post IPO performance as could every other one of them. Then by that you could claim Linux is the downfall of SCO, not by it being a superior product, but by it being those trendy pair of pants all the girls purchase then stop wearing two months later because they're out of style. You're OS should be a tool, not a religion. I wouldn't put Linux in my top five, Win2000 tops it. I guess AIX and Tru64 are now obsolete since I don't have them at home either. So while Linux gains all the pimple faced 15-year-olds (don't believe me? Attend a LUG) the competent professionals will choose Solaris/AIX/*BSD.
When 75% of the world's population still doesn't know where their next meal is coming from, 'net access should be the least of ones concerns.
Right, so communists countries don't have a history for inhuman spy tactics on their own citizens. At one point in Soviet Moscow, one in eight people worked the KGB. China is the bane of everything ragingly liberal and righteously conservative. They unabashedly mock your human rights case and are the bane of capitolism. If the average person wasn't so apathetic and stupified by CNN(insert favorite govertainment news source here, BBC, NBC, etc) we would have already gunned them down.
If you are interested in SERIOUS security why don't you go take a gander at KERBEROS.
That's if your school even has an AP Comp Sci class. Most are stuck with QBasic and Turbo Pascal classes.
The main reason there is such a big push for computers in the classroom is that there is money to be made in it all. Not only that is that one county/principal/teacher can always brag that they have the newest and presumably the best machines for the tax dollar. The peepee stained urine hole I recently graduated from had purchased Pentium II's to teach students for a "web design" class where notepad was being used. Sounds like overkill to me. Even if the school had an excellent class AND computers fitted for the course, you will NEVER see a sentient computer teacher in public school. To plop a student in front of an overpriced Dell isn't the answer. What about the kids who prefer pure dictation?
You're qualifying what I said in more detail. Its just slashdot, no need to type a whole bunch.
Hardly son, its hard to put down some myths out there like "X is better than Y" with people like you out there.
If you wanna look at uptimes for most NOS's check out Uptimes Project. Look at the all-time Top 10. The leader is an old NetBSD 1.1B box with about 1,500 days which is a runaway lead over the next box which just happens to a Linux one. The one who dominates the top 20 is FreeBSD though and the rest of the pack is just overflowing with the sheer quantity of everybody and their grandma's Linux box. Which then brings up the Quality vs. Quantity debate :)
BSD has hype now? Wow, first time hype has ever been used to describe any BSD. Then what about the Linux "hype" about how it is supposedly easier for newbies to pick up? Or that its better as a desktop? The once a month BSD article slashdot decides to run has turn into (always has been?) is when all the kiddies come out to bash OS blah without even basic vnode concepts. Lets use real ammo rather than the "he said she said" crap. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
Come on, where is the smallest amount of journalistic integrity? By Slashdot actually including the "Bug-Free" section just creates more propaganda in the Linux camp. NOTHING is bug free. It's amazing how many lies have been manifested and actually believed with this kind of crud on Slashdot.
Miguel: "...but I don't think their [BSD] tools have evolved like they should have evolved. Their kernel is great, but their tools, their userland, is just ancient. It needs some updating (the emphasis is mine). And, doing a Red Hat port, you'll hate me here, but the Red Hat port to the BSD kernel, looks like a good idea. You get some nice features from the kernel, and it'd be nice if you could just switch the application and run on the kernel is more interesting to you. Actually, you can do that. If the library is the same, and if the application is going to do any system calls, they just call the library, you can actually have binaries from both the BSD kernel and the Linux kernel."
And here is Theo's rebuttal shamelessly ripped from The o's Response
Miguel is wrong. I never find core files for the stock OpenBSD binaries. When bash.core stops being found, perhaps he can make some claims. When they stop having security holes, perhaps they can start to claim that their userland tools are non-ancient. When they stop calling mktemp(), inet_addr(), and strcpy, then perhaps they can start to claim something like that. Their source code is unmaintained.
Maybe short-sighted wasn't a good description for Miguel, ignorant would have been perfect. Try not to worship people from now on.
NetBSD DOES mention OpenBSD on a couple of the the planned ports pages. OpenBSD's founding was a very ugly mess considering Theo was one of the founders of NetBSD and he practically wrote the entire sparc port. He's a really smart guy but is lacking many social graces (look at the OpenSSH.org issue) just as GNOME's Miguel does. Miguel is one short-sighted fool.
PAM is garbage. If you wanted something strong use kerberos or something along the lines of a one time password like s/key.
The US is much more communist than one might think. WE are being exposed to them and told just how great their Utopia is. Plus the average person is a waste of life who just consumes what they are told by TV.
When you say China it implies that their communist goverment itself is faced with these problems. A communist government will hardly lean towards anything resembling freedom. They can call themselves a republic all they want but if goverment mandated communism (even it if isn't blatant) it is still oppresive. The "rational" person would preach the sanctity of UN based conferences while subjectively crucifying the "irrational" men like Douglas McArthur who wanted to nuke the communists.
Yeah, but the average person is too stupid to look at more than one variable. Free trade with China must be good; the billions of people will be able to buy our products with the 20 cents an hour they're making, but since Ted Kopel says its OK then it must be true. So when the TV is telling you to how communist countries are so decent places just remember they shoot kill people for speaking democratic views then charge the bullet to the family of the deceased. Look at Tianamen Square for a good reference. Liberals are stupid.
Don't portray your ignorance as reasoning not to use UNIX. Your inability to keep up-to-date with patches was the problem. You can't put a box in the public domain and not expect people not to try to jerk with it. You'd probably give a baby a knife to teeth on. Fool you once, shame on me. Fool you twice, shame on you.
Even a religious useage of Debian's apt-get upgrade is still pale in comparison to cvsup on a BSD box.
VTech has always made notoriously shotty electronic products. Their phones, which are everywhere, seem like they were assembled by Corky The Retard. Parts constantly short out when they are within ten miles of any liquid. VTech makes trash. Associating Linux with VTech is NOT good for Linux's reputation.
It allows people to mull over their options and refine their work. It's like fine wine. You can't hurry it along (well you could use anti-freeze but it'd kill you) if you want quality. Look how long it takes pharmaceutical companies to develop their drugs. They take their time and TEST it rather than beta their heart medicine in the public domain and which would lead to remote kernel panics. oops! I mean death.
Yet another reason to eliminate anonymous coward postings.
Its a shame that all the money being used to fund this project isn't going towards feeding the millions of starving people in India.
Using Wozniak or other esoteric cases as examples to programmer longevity isn't exactly kosher. Woz has enough money he doesn't have to program any more but just sit back and teach youngin's how to draw on those old Mac's. We seem to lose all our brilliance over time like a piece of steel left in the open.