Digital/Tru64 unix remains the only commercial unix that is largely based on the BSD code. <p>
Ever heard of a company called BSDi? <sarcasm>They are the makers of BSD/OS, which (surprise!)contains BSD code.</sarcasm> SVR4 does contain BSD code. It merged in some 4.3BSD(check me on the exact release here, TAHOE/RENO) with the AT&T source tree. Think back to the BSDI/AT&T lawsuits.
Damn, you think the government should have all the power! You must also think things like US restrictions on strong crypto is ok also as is Carnivore. Stupid liberal.
The source merger isn't going to happen instanteously, if at all and especially hasn't happened since the WC/BSDI merger. BSDI has borrowed code from FreeBSD several times in the past and on occasion has BSDL'd their enhancements. The most recent incident I recall is the function malloc which has been improved for BSD/OS 4.1. Be prepared to see this happen much more in the near future.
If you're referring to BSDi as in BSD/OS 4.1 then probably. LAP (Linux Application Platform) enables a BSD/OS system to execute many dynamically linked Linux ELF binaries (both
libc5 and glibc) with no significant loss of performance. This release has been tested with the
following Linux applications: Adobe Acrobat, ApplixWare, Informix and Word Perfect. It works about as well as well as BSD/OS's SCO shell (sco sh).
LAP works by inserting an interface library in between the Linux application and the Linux libraries, and the BSD/OS kernel. This library interface translates Linux data structures and other system call parameters to and from BSD/OS equivalents. For example, the library replaces the Linux stat(2) call with a translation function that calls the BSD/OS stat(2)call and converts the BSD/OS stat buffer into a Linux stat buffer. No special preparation is required to run Linux programs with LAP; there is no seperately invoked emulation program (with SCO/iBCS2 you run sco sh). LAP should be roughly as efficient as the native Linux glibc library.
Why not put *BSD on the 486, you'll have a chance to try the OS without the hype? You'll be pleasently surprised just how well ipfw or ipf work. Be open-minded.
On the contrary. The mode by which you access the code (CVS or FTP) does not make the project more or less open. Please feel free to download a development-tree kernel whenever you like. (Note: The link is to the v2.4-test kernels, which are not mirrored on all the kernel mirrors.)
Amazing that it actually was moderated up, just goes to show the bias. So you're saying that downloading a RELEASED testkernel is more open than a continuing source branch? Pure sophistry. Why do i waste my time on slashdot.....
Hmm....naming 2 products iPAQ's is kinda retarded but thats what threw me off. FreeBSD runs on x86 and Alpha. And yes, NetBSD also runs on the same arch that this over-hyped Linux doohickey does. We are both guilty just one more than the other.
Linux has rekindled the early enthusiasm of Unix because it redefines openness beyond anything a Unix vendor could dream of.
Hmmm.....he claims Linux is the most open project out there. FreeBSD is even more open. I don't have to wait to grab a kernel that Linus/Alan deem worthy of public comsumption. Instead I can cvsup myself a snapshot whenever I want. The author was just saying what people want to hear. Deal with it.
The govertainment portrayed the pot smoking hippies and liberals demonstrating at the RNC as freedom fighters going against the conservative pro-capitolists. When the DNC is held there won't be nearly as many protests and the media will portray those protesters as unfair people who don't wanna Internationlize everything (read communist Internationale) And did the media say they were Gore supported PAC's? No. Partisan politics are pathetic. You're an idiot if you like them. Both parties are fubar, just one more than the other. If the common man could reason beyond what CNN/NBC/BBC (insert communist mainstream news here) tell them, we'd be voting on candidates by what they say rather than the propaganda both sides create.
I hate liberals. I hate conservatives. I hate libertarians and communists. If you belong to a party, or alignyourself with a political party...i hate you.
Hell yeah I agree with you there. Partisan politics are wacked but people are too stupid to realize that political parties are fucked up. I wasn't saying you're a fucked up person for smoking weed, I was attempting to point out the ignorant masses govertainment based ideologies. "Political Parties are good because Ted Koppel said so" is the kind of stupidity that goes untreated. I never implied you are a loser or criminal. Or how liberals will claim eating meat is murder but being a vegan isn't even though plants are alive as well. It's kind of insulting that you'd call me a republican. Even if you don't drive an 18-wheeler while being high many dumbfucks out there do try; just as they try to drive while intoxicated and many kill innocent people while the drunk survives the crash unharmed. It's not a risk worth taking. You remind me of someone who needs to take some downers.
good. that means napster will become legal sometime soon;-). Marijuana is being decriminalized in more and more states. The way i see it. It's only a matter of time before marijuana becomes yet another regulated drug (read: Alcohol).
It's funny how liberals will smoke weed yet at the same time yell at you for eating red meat or smoking cigarettes. So taking a drug that kills your brain cells is ok yet the occasional comsumption of steak is a sin. Sure smoking tobacco might take 15 years off your life but the last 15 are the worst any ways.
I have a NetBSD/68k box right next to me. It's an LC III that is running far from factory standards. I replaced that 80 meg harddrive and threw in a ton more RAM. I have 1.4.2 on it right now and am anxious for 1.5 to be released. It runs great as a firewall/NAT box. Haven't had any problems with it. My choice to use NetBSD over Linux were numerous. Greater HW support and the port is much more mature. I wouldn't be able to run Linux on the hardware it currently has. NetBSD easily beats Linux in this area, hate to break it to you.
So now I am supposed to buy overpriced records from monopolistic labels because THEIR EMPLOYEES MIGHT GET FIRED if I don't???
Why don't you also go around telling everyone here to use MS Windows because the poor microsofties will get fired if they don't sell enough copies of Windows 2000?
No, its called capitolism. If you don't like it go to China. You don't have to buy it if you don't like it. Let all the mindless drones buy the OS and music designed by marketeers. Be an iconoclast. Listen to music that's not shoved your throat. Go to film festivals rather than Regal Cinemas.
I know that lots of people work at record companies, and I'm sure they're very nice, but I am not going to help prepetuate their monopoly just so they can keep their jobs. That doesn't really make sense.
Were you breast fed till you were 9? It's not exactly a monopoly, more of a collusion between the recording companies. Think back to when VCR's initially came into households (even though you probably weren't born yet). Sony sued Paramount who sued MGM who sued everyone. But now a few large companies (Viacom) own the major players who affect your entertainment. It's not nearly as diversified any more.
bugg's info is one of the few people who's posts are actually contain logic rather than subjective ideologies pushed on your by CNN. "I hope to get a job out of it. I can put on my resume that I know UNIX." - Linus Torvalds
Yes Linux is gaining share from all the NT based operations. If a company is running NT in the first place they obviously don't know what they're doing. I haven't heard of a *BSD based company switching to Linux for performance reasons. *BSD is gaining marketshare and mindshare albeit not at the rate which Linux is. Look at the performance of the Linux companies since the IPO. They are miniscule compared to their initial over hyped value. I'll let all the pimple faced 15 year olds (don't believe me? go attend your local LUG) and cheap ISPs use Linux while the sentient go with *BSD/Solaris for their operations. You just can't ignore *BSD performance and Solaris applications.
FreeBSD hardware support is very good. I've installed it on several boxes and I've never had a problem with unsupported hardware. It isn't horrible as the zealots on slashdot have propagated it to be. But picking an OS based on sound is flawed. You can get some cheap ensonique for $5 on ebay.
The point is thoroughly test everything. Fork a new branch to test new things basically. If something has been tested enough in 4.0-current, it might be merged into 3.5 for example. Rather than let the kinks be worked out in a production series. Linux has done the same thing. A feature from 2.3.x might be deemed stable for 2.2.16. The 3.5-release was the final release of the 3.x series while 3.5-stable will continually be patched. The 5.x series will be the first to integrate the BSD/OS source merger (when it happens).
The Linux tcp/ip stack requires that all data is copied from user space to kernel space before transmitting it (a server's ratio of tx to receive is roughly 10:1). In NT, no such copying needs to occur, and in fact it can take advantage of some of the new NIC cards (i.e. Adaptec & Intel) which can offload such things as TCP/IP checksumming to hardware. Solaris, of course, has had this capability for ages. Linux has no such capability at this time. Adding support for zero copy transmit in Linux will be a major chore since all of the networking stacks and drivers are designed for skbuffs which contain only a single linear buffer per packet, whereas other implementations (i.e. BSD, Solaris, NT) allow fragmented packets where the header is in one fragment and the payload is in the other fragments (the payload can be fragmented if it crosses a page boundary). Linux did not have support for locking pages in user space for I/O operations.
Having procfs _replace_ sysctl is A Bad Idea.
I understand complaints about numbering sysctl branches and nodes, but it's not as big of a deal as it's makes it out to be- things don't get drastically changed with this practically ever.
The fact is, being able to get your data with one or two syscalls is fast. A lot faster than having to drag the VFS code into things.
Procfs is great for users who want to read things, but programs need to have a lower level interface for the sake of speed, and code simplification. It's a lot easier to use sysctl than it is to open up a file and read the data from it, hate to break it to you.
And for those who some how believe that the Linux TCP/IP stack is catching up, try packet capture/shaping on a Linux TCP/IP stack. Not fun. The reasons why anyone doing serious network software would not choose the Linux TCP/IP stack... Ask junipernetworks why their choose FreeBSD;)
Exactly, this BSD section is a cop-out of Slashdot not to post *BSD news on the main page. Even though Slashdot uses FreeBSD heavily for firewalling and are moving some of their guts to OpenBSD; their Linux push is very obvious.
It reminds me a lot of that 19th century recreation PBS is doing. Liberal PBS portrays the wife as the one who must persevere so much more than her husband. Their agenda is obvious.
Slashdot Mirror
I think he might have been mistaken with OSF/1's slight BSD config style.
Digital/Tru64 unix remains the only commercial unix that is largely based on the BSD code.
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Ever heard of a company called BSDi? <sarcasm>They are the makers of BSD/OS, which (surprise!)contains BSD code.</sarcasm> SVR4 does contain BSD code. It merged in some 4.3BSD(check me on the exact release here, TAHOE/RENO) with the AT&T source tree. Think back to the BSDI/AT&T lawsuits.
Damn, you think the government should have all the power! You must also think things like US restrictions on strong crypto is ok also as is Carnivore. Stupid liberal.
Worst episode ever....
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TO THE EXTREME!
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The source merger isn't going to happen instanteously, if at all and especially hasn't happened since the WC/BSDI merger. BSDI has borrowed code from FreeBSD several times in the past and on occasion has BSDL'd their enhancements. The most recent incident I recall is the function malloc which has been improved for BSD/OS 4.1. Be prepared to see this happen much more in the near future.
Uhm they do, try researching a bit before you post. BSDi's LAPand Sun'S lxrun solution. Now go and do some research on your own.
LAP works by inserting an interface library in between the Linux application and the Linux libraries, and the BSD/OS kernel. This library interface translates Linux data structures and other system call parameters to and from BSD/OS equivalents. For example, the library replaces the Linux stat(2) call with a translation function that calls the BSD/OS stat(2)call and converts the BSD/OS stat buffer into a Linux stat buffer. No special preparation is required to run Linux programs with LAP; there is no seperately invoked emulation program (with SCO/iBCS2 you run sco sh). LAP should be roughly as efficient as the native Linux glibc library.
Why not put *BSD on the 486, you'll have a chance to try the OS without the hype? You'll be pleasently surprised just how well ipfw or ipf work. Be open-minded.
Include a reason for the rejections maybe?
Amazing that it actually was moderated up, just goes to show the bias. So you're saying that downloading a RELEASED testkernel is more open than a continuing source branch? Pure sophistry. Why do i waste my time on slashdot.....
Hmm....naming 2 products iPAQ's is kinda retarded but thats what threw me off. FreeBSD runs on x86 and Alpha. And yes, NetBSD also runs on the same arch that this over-hyped Linux doohickey does. We are both guilty just one more than the other.
Hmmm.....he claims Linux is the most open project out there. FreeBSD is even more open. I don't have to wait to grab a kernel that Linus/Alan deem worthy of public comsumption. Instead I can cvsup myself a snapshot whenever I want. The author was just saying what people want to hear. Deal with it.
FreeBSD on the iPAQ was covered in this month's issue of Daemonnews. But I guess FreeBSD isn't trendy enough. sigh...
The govertainment portrayed the pot smoking hippies and liberals demonstrating at the RNC as freedom fighters going against the conservative pro-capitolists. When the DNC is held there won't be nearly as many protests and the media will portray those protesters as unfair people who don't wanna Internationlize everything (read communist Internationale) And did the media say they were Gore supported PAC's? No. Partisan politics are pathetic. You're an idiot if you like them. Both parties are fubar, just one more than the other. If the common man could reason beyond what CNN/NBC/BBC (insert communist mainstream news here) tell them, we'd be voting on candidates by what they say rather than the propaganda both sides create.
I hate liberals. I hate conservatives. I hate libertarians and communists. If you belong to a party, or alignyourself with a political party...i hate you. Hell yeah I agree with you there. Partisan politics are wacked but people are too stupid to realize that political parties are fucked up. I wasn't saying you're a fucked up person for smoking weed, I was attempting to point out the ignorant masses govertainment based ideologies. "Political Parties are good because Ted Koppel said so" is the kind of stupidity that goes untreated. I never implied you are a loser or criminal. Or how liberals will claim eating meat is murder but being a vegan isn't even though plants are alive as well. It's kind of insulting that you'd call me a republican. Even if you don't drive an 18-wheeler while being high many dumbfucks out there do try; just as they try to drive while intoxicated and many kill innocent people while the drunk survives the crash unharmed. It's not a risk worth taking. You remind me of someone who needs to take some downers.
good. that means napster will become legal sometime soon ;-). Marijuana is being decriminalized in more and more states. The way i see it. It's only a matter of time before marijuana becomes yet another regulated drug (read: Alcohol).
It's funny how liberals will smoke weed yet at the same time yell at you for eating red meat or smoking cigarettes. So taking a drug that kills your brain cells is ok yet the occasional comsumption of steak is a sin. Sure smoking tobacco might take 15 years off your life but the last 15 are the worst any ways.
I have a NetBSD/68k box right next to me. It's an LC III that is running far from factory standards. I replaced that 80 meg harddrive and threw in a ton more RAM. I have 1.4.2 on it right now and am anxious for 1.5 to be released. It runs great as a firewall/NAT box. Haven't had any problems with it. My choice to use NetBSD over Linux were numerous. Greater HW support and the port is much more mature. I wouldn't be able to run Linux on the hardware it currently has. NetBSD easily beats Linux in this area, hate to break it to you.
Mayeb CmdrTaco will loes hsi jbo ovre thsi mistaek.
Why don't you also go around telling everyone here to use MS Windows because the poor microsofties will get fired if they don't sell enough copies of Windows 2000?
No, its called capitolism. If you don't like it go to China. You don't have to buy it if you don't like it. Let all the mindless drones buy the OS and music designed by marketeers. Be an iconoclast. Listen to music that's not shoved your throat. Go to film festivals rather than Regal Cinemas.
I know that lots of people work at record companies, and I'm sure they're very nice, but I am not going to help prepetuate their monopoly just so they can keep their jobs. That doesn't really make sense.
Were you breast fed till you were 9? It's not exactly a monopoly, more of a collusion between the recording companies. Think back to when VCR's initially came into households (even though you probably weren't born yet). Sony sued Paramount who sued MGM who sued everyone. But now a few large companies (Viacom) own the major players who affect your entertainment. It's not nearly as diversified any more.
bugg's info is one of the few people who's posts are actually contain logic rather than subjective ideologies pushed on your by CNN. "I hope to get a job out of it. I can put on my resume that I know UNIX." - Linus Torvalds
Yes Linux is gaining share from all the NT based operations. If a company is running NT in the first place they obviously don't know what they're doing. I haven't heard of a *BSD based company switching to Linux for performance reasons. *BSD is gaining marketshare and mindshare albeit not at the rate which Linux is. Look at the performance of the Linux companies since the IPO. They are miniscule compared to their initial over hyped value. I'll let all the pimple faced 15 year olds (don't believe me? go attend your local LUG) and cheap ISPs use Linux while the sentient go with *BSD/Solaris for their operations. You just can't ignore *BSD performance and Solaris applications.
FreeBSD hardware support is very good. I've installed it on several boxes and I've never had a problem with unsupported hardware. It isn't horrible as the zealots on slashdot have propagated it to be. But picking an OS based on sound is flawed. You can get some cheap ensonique for $5 on ebay.
The point is thoroughly test everything. Fork a new branch to test new things basically. If something has been tested enough in 4.0-current, it might be merged into 3.5 for example. Rather than let the kinks be worked out in a production series. Linux has done the same thing. A feature from 2.3.x might be deemed stable for 2.2.16. The 3.5-release was the final release of the 3.x series while 3.5-stable will continually be patched. The 5.x series will be the first to integrate the BSD/OS source merger (when it happens).
It would be nice to have some unbiased moderators now.
Oh and btw, in the one slide it even shows that hdparm was tweaked for all those who just refuse to believe that Linux lost. Sit on it potsy.
Having procfs _replace_ sysctl is A Bad Idea.
I understand complaints about numbering sysctl branches and nodes, but it's not as big of a deal as it's makes it out to be- things don't get drastically changed with this practically ever.
The fact is, being able to get your data with one or two syscalls is fast. A lot faster than having to drag the VFS code into things.
Procfs is great for users who want to read things, but programs need to have a lower level interface for the sake of speed, and code simplification. It's a lot easier to use sysctl than it is to open up a file and read the data from it, hate to break it to you.
And for those who some how believe that the Linux TCP/IP stack is catching up, try packet capture/shaping on a Linux TCP/IP stack. Not fun. The reasons why anyone doing serious network software would not choose the Linux TCP/IP stack... Ask junipernetworks why their choose FreeBSD
It reminds me a lot of that 19th century recreation PBS is doing. Liberal PBS portrays the wife as the one who must persevere so much more than her husband. Their agenda is obvious.