It just shows that Western media has a standard agenda of politicizing everything, and that checking sources is not honored by Western journalists (who really should set a good example on this to show Chinese journalists how to do it).
Now the crowd here will come up with ingenious "what ifs" and other excuses, actually defending this bad journalism. It is Us and Them nomatter what, as usual.
There are PLENTY of homeless people in Sweden, but they sleep where you can't see them, because if they sleep in the park there might be some teenagers having some fun burning them to death (yeah, there is no police protecting anyone in Sweden).
Crime in Sweden is notorious and ever on the rise. The police is mostly concerned about filming prostitutes having sex (so that they can convict the buyer) or dismantling illegal gambling from public squares. 80% of all crimes are never solved. This all goes in hand with the increase of poor people in the so called welfare state, making people desperate. Not a day goes by without a security transport loaded with money being robbed. Petty crime is of course notorious; buy a bike and see for yourself.
The "terrorist panic" is alive and well in Sweden, although we are not at risk. This is manifested in a whole slew of new laws effectively abolishing personal integrity, allowing the police to bug and surveill each and everyone for virtually no reason; this includes news paper agencies. Yes, you heard me right: the media can be bugged by Swedish police. And all this is motivated by the fucking "terrorist threat", that has only served as an excuse to finally install a fucking camera everywhere. I must congratulate Osama to the convincing victory.
Sweden in my mind, and I am a Swede, is a totalitarian cradle-to-grave one-party state with no future.
The Swedish government is not known to protect its citizens very well. Recently, the Justice Department and the security police caused the shut-down of a political party's website because of a cartoon of Muhammed looking at himself in the mirror with a blindfold, with the accompanying text "self-censorship". That is just about the tolererance level the Swedish government has.
Sweden is also notorious for being a leader in the EU implementing repressive laws in general and on the Internet in particular. The recent EU Data Directive is essentially one man's work, Swedish Justice minister Thomas Bodstrom, a former football player who smoked dope, somehow managed to become a lawyer and then to everybody's surprise was turned into minister of justice, on which position he has drafted more laws than anyone in history and effectively flushed personal integirty down the toilet. The directive, since long before in effect in Sweden, makes it mandatory for ISP:s to save customers' internet traffic data for at least two years. Other repressive measures in Sweden include a law against writing about other persons without their express permission unless being a journalist.
Sweden has also joined the ranks of the filter regimes, using DNS spoofing and other sabotages to the infrastructure to redirect pornsurfers looking for kiddie porn to a government website. It is not by law, but by cooperation with all the larger ISP:s (under threat of legislation).
You might also wonder why Sweden has not voiced concern over Chinese journalists being jailed in China. Well, that is because Sweden has had its own Shi Tao since the 70s, Jan Guillou (and Peter Bratt), who investigated and reported about an illegal spy organisation (Inormation Bureau) and subsequently was put to jail for espionage.
One might have the impression that Sweden is a free and modern welfare state, but those days are since long gone. Today's Sweden is the leading oppressor in Europe, with no-tolerance laws on everything from gambling to prostitution and drugs. The Swedish government sees the Internet mostly as an outlet for hate speech, porn and illegal downloading, and if they would decide to shut down the Pirate Bay during a lunch break, it would be done in a matter of minutes by a simple phone call.
Saying that there are no such thing as human races is an untenable abuse of language. The right term, perhaps, would be "there are only minor changes between the races" or rather "there is almost universal interbreeding between the races." No ammount of genetics will ever change the fact that children look like their parents, and genetically different groups have identifiable physical differences.
No. In fact the term "race" is not a valid term. It is called sub-species, and as I laid out in the previous post there are in fact three sup-species among humans that are not Homo sapiens sapiens but Homo sapiens somethingelsius. But these are isolated cases. Thus, science doesn't recognize the term "race", and even if it did, it wouldn't be what you and Mrs. Robinson mean with "race".
I can give you a gene to study, and you cannot tell me what "race" this gene's carrier is (I'll give you 1000 samples in order to weed out guesses and make a statistically accurate falsification of your lies). That is the ultimate test of "race".
Sheesh. If sub-group A (let's call them Republicans) has more children than sub-group B (let's call them Democrats), then the tribe that contains both sub-groups will, generation after generation, tend to be more like sub-group A.
No. This is simply not so, because warriors (in the original example) don't mate with warriors; they mate with females, who are carriers of the whole population's gene pool.
In the case of democrats and republicans... alright. Republicans get more kids, and these kids must then make their offspring with another republican, otherwise your thesis falls. Considering that humans tend to be just a teeny weeny little more complex than you suggest, it will easily be demonstrated that these kids will look for other traits in their dates than their parent's political preference, and many of them will also revolt against their parents and do the opposite. Not to mention that societal conditions constantly change; it might have been cool to be a republican in the Reagan era, but look what retarded inbred bastard runs the country now... (likewise, there are no Samurai in Japan today, and no feudal vassals in Europe, no plantation owners doing slave trade in Virginia).
1. genes govern everything we are and are not, and everybody has a different set of genes (with the exception of twins). Thus, no one is actually created equal, in the sense you are suggesting.
2. although genes on the individual level can vary significantly from another (think John Holmes, think Albert Einstein), there is virtually no difference at all on the group level. This means that if you compare a distinct ethnic group (or "race" as they still call it in the US) with another, you will find a much larger variation within each group than between the groups. This is what scientists mean when they say we are all Homo sapiens sapiens (except for three tiny African tribes, who DO qualify as another sub-species (or "race" as they still call it in the US). What this basically means is that we are all the same on the group level; this is not just politically correct, but also scientifically correct. A few discrepancies such as resistance to malaria, skin color, hair color and other minute genome changes donät change this.
3. we tend to categorize people by their looks. Japanese and Chinese are all small, and this must be because of their genes, right? Did you know that the average height for a European was 150 cm in the 1500s? That it is now 180 cm is of course because of altered diet, and we now utlizie our genetic potential to the maxium. The same goes for modern Japanese and Chinese to a certain extent (do you know who Yao Ming is?), but many Asians have low protein diets and thus don't maximize their genetic potential.
4. TFA mentions that some warriors tend to have three times as many babies as non-warriors, and that this would have a social effect, making the tribe more aggressive on the whole. That is such rubbish that I can't even start to think about its national socialist roots; it doesn't work that way, since others still have babies at a significant rate. If you compare artificial selection measures like milking cows, you would see that one weeds out all the "bad" examples; that doesn't happen in real life, and that is why you don't see natural selection happen before your eyes.
Well, Microsoft has always been a slow adapter of everything. USB was late, even a GUI came late. There is still support for floppy disks... no surprise here.
This is good. I don't want to see Macs contaminated with 10 GB of installed rubbish.
"For that matter, if China (mainland) blazes the path for Chinese TLDs, would they go with gb2312 and thus sort of make China (mainland)'s TLD scheme the default for the world as opposed to Taiwan's Big5?"
Thus you referred implicitly to a simplified character encoding (GB2312) and a traditional (Big5). The mistake is that China doesn't endore any simplified encoding at all, but only a genuinely Chinese encoding, GB18030. Since this set is compatible with Unicode, it also incorporates all Western, Japanese, Korean and whatever scripts.
Traditional characters are not a problem in China, but simplified characters are a huge problem on Taiwan, because the simplified script is outlawed for political reasons (it is said to be a "communist" thing, although the simplification process began already in the Republican era after the wu-si yundong in 1919; the "communists" just fulfilled what everyone agreed on, and today Taiwan is pissed because they are being marginalized).
The answer to your original question is thus still that China will not go with anything that opposes Big5, since this encoding soup is already history (except on Taiwan).
Simplified Chinese as in GB2312 is severly outdated, although still in heavy use on the Web, mainly because users don't know better. The same is true for traditional Chinese as in Big5 or other character encodings.
No, if the Chinese would go their own way and make everything Chinese, which they won't btw, they would use the Chinese encoding GB18030. Note that this is neither a simplified Chinese encoding nor a traditional Chinese encoding, it is just a *Chinese* encoding, compatible with Unicode and able to represent all Chinese characters ever in use. This is the government mandated encoding, and computer companies are require to support it if they want to operate in China.
So please stop referring to "simplified" and "traditional"; this is mostly a Taiwanese political thingy, not an issue on China. Thus, there only is a Chinese encoding, and it is called GB18030.
Aw, man... why so negative? A search for Tian'an men (in Chinese) on Baidu gave me this cool picture. Much prettier to look at than some stupid tank man:
Fuck, when I do a search for Paris on Google Images, all I get is vacation pictures and that porn star... not a single picture of Nazi troops invading the city. A search on l'arc de triomphe also gives vacation pictures.
Anyway, Tian'an men square has been the stage for many more battles than the most recent one in 1989. For the Chinese, it is not synonymous with student protests or government massacres (and actually none died on the square itself) or demonstrations in general.
It is only to Westerners with an agenda it has that bloody connotation. Wonder when those people with an agenda will start picking om Mugabe instead? Or becoming a "human shield" in Zimbabwe? There were no human shields in Halabja either, nor in Iraq or Iran in the 1980s war.
Why so preoccupied with the square incident? Will it lead to something?
Wow... I have been using the domain http://www.xn--x00a.net/ for almost two years... how is this news? That they are finally implementing punycode also in China?
The domain I have translates to http://www./#32911;.net/ which in Chinese would mean www.fuck.net. Not sure I could get a corresponding.cn address for this one;-)
Yeah? Sweden is a monarchy? Yes. Sweden is a constitutional monarchy? Yes. Constitutional monarchies are usually representative democracies where the monarch has no political power? Yes.
No, there is no such law in Sweden. The GOVERNMENT censored a political opponent's web site (which contained nothing illegal whatsoever), and this is strictly illegal. Not a word on Slashdot...
No, this is pure China bashing. There's nothing new in what is reported, just new iterations of the same stuff, and it is the same China-illiterate crowd that howls "Communists!" as always.
There are other stories that could have been discussed, like Swedish security police and state department shutting down a political party's web site for showing a picture of Muhammed (Sweden is supposedly a democracy), like Austria sentencing a British author to three years in prison for having non-conformant views (Austria is supposedly a democracy), like the EU deciding to store Internet traffic, like the dissolution of the freedom of the press (and speech) in Europe and other parts of the Western world after Islamist extremists threatened with violence.
These questions are so much more important at this moment than what is happening in a dictatorship on its slow march to civilized society and democracy.
The font changes from the specified STFangsong to STHeiti as soon as the character is not in GB-2312, which is odd since this is a UTF-8 page. A long-standing bug that has been ignored.
Also, I don't really want to download one browser for each language I want to use... I think a browser that has language resources is to be preferred over several stand-alone language versions.
Most people are probably not bothered by this, but the original poster claimed that Camino (a Carbon Gecko browser) rendered better than Safari (a Cocoa browser), which is nothing but an uninformed statement.
Yeah, of course it "works" in every modern browser (even in IE6!), but there are some fine differences between Safari and the Gecko pack (including Camino) for Mac OS X. This can be seen clearly in the section covering Chinese slang, where some characters are shown in the wrong font; this is called the MacRoman bug on Mac OS X, and only happens with Carbon apps, not with Cocoa apps. In general, Carbon suxxorz and Cocoa rulez!
For Windows, all fonts are evenly ugly, so it really doesn't matter there.
Don't get me wrong, Firefox et al are very good browsers, but on the Mac it is better to use Safari.
No, no, no, I am talking about the rendering of multilingual pages (see my homepage for an example). Although multilingual browsers are also something Mozilla never had and never will have.
3. Zip app must allow executing of unzipped file (this is not normal)
4. Normally, the file will appear on the desktop, without being executed. It does have a movie icon, but for those of us who always pre-watch movies and what have you in a Finder column window, this doesn't really present a problem; it says Terminal Document below the movie icon (and no one in their right mind would zip a movie anyway, it's a bit like those pornmovie.exe you find sometimes).
Well, this is all part of the Golden shield project, which uses Western technology (surveillance tech provided by the FBI) and is built mainly by some 300 Western companies. Isn't a bit too late complaining now?
Lotsa uninformed China bashing on Slashdot these days...
My point is that using the search term "tiananmen" in a comparison between google.cn and google.com is totally useless, since Chinese people use Chinese characters in their search for information. That one screen dump shows tanks exclusively and the other none at all just means that Western sources writing about the Tiananmen square are rather one-sided. It could also mean that Google is skewing the results (or rather being fooled by the propaganda organizations to give skewed results).
Chinese people, who all know about the 6/4 events in 1989, are rather puzzled whenever I show them the real Google search for "tiananmen". They know all about the government censoring the Internet in certain taboo questions, and they all know how to circumvent it, but they also feel that the Western picture of the square is fundamentally flawed. Most Chinese don't associate Tiananmen with this one student revolt; it has so many more dimensions, and it is a national symbol.
Actually, they don't filter at all. They block, either by IP or by key word intrusion detection (IDS, blocking in real-time based on key words and AI algorithms). Hard blocks are easy to circumvent, intrusion detection blocks are much harder to get by. When using google.com in China, it often happens that the IDS kicks in and blocks Google for a couple of minutes. THIS frustrating reality is the REAL reason to why Google wants a Chinese domain, because there is no firewall action within the Chinese network. Thus, more people will use Google than before with this strategy, and people won't be frustrated searching for normal stuff. The censoring thus has no real effect, because those who really want to search for sensitive information will continue use google.com with all the associated tricks.
Therefore, I don't understand the critique against Google. It is uninformed, irrational and plain stupid.
This is the real Google with Chinese localization (as any Chinese would use it) searching for "Tiananmen Square" as it is written in Chinese. Not a single tank.
I think this is a LOT more balanced picture of that square than what is portrayed in Western media, for whom the massacre that day (although not on the square itself) is the ONLY reason to ever mentioning Tiananmen.
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I also submitted this story, linking to http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-03/1 4/content_534795.htm for further information.
It just shows that Western media has a standard agenda of politicizing everything, and that checking sources is not honored by Western journalists (who really should set a good example on this to show Chinese journalists how to do it).
Now the crowd here will come up with ingenious "what ifs" and other excuses, actually defending this bad journalism. It is Us and Them nomatter what, as usual.
Dude, you seriously need to WAKE UP!
There are PLENTY of homeless people in Sweden, but they sleep where you can't see them, because if they sleep in the park there might be some teenagers having some fun burning them to death (yeah, there is no police protecting anyone in Sweden).
Crime in Sweden is notorious and ever on the rise. The police is mostly concerned about filming prostitutes having sex (so that they can convict the buyer) or dismantling illegal gambling from public squares. 80% of all crimes are never solved. This all goes in hand with the increase of poor people in the so called welfare state, making people desperate. Not a day goes by without a security transport loaded with money being robbed. Petty crime is of course notorious; buy a bike and see for yourself.
The "terrorist panic" is alive and well in Sweden, although we are not at risk. This is manifested in a whole slew of new laws effectively abolishing personal integrity, allowing the police to bug and surveill each and everyone for virtually no reason; this includes news paper agencies. Yes, you heard me right: the media can be bugged by Swedish police. And all this is motivated by the fucking "terrorist threat", that has only served as an excuse to finally install a fucking camera everywhere. I must congratulate Osama to the convincing victory.
Sweden in my mind, and I am a Swede, is a totalitarian cradle-to-grave one-party state with no future.
The Swedish government is not known to protect its citizens very well. Recently, the Justice Department and the security police caused the shut-down of a political party's website because of a cartoon of Muhammed looking at himself in the mirror with a blindfold, with the accompanying text "self-censorship". That is just about the tolererance level the Swedish government has.
Sweden is also notorious for being a leader in the EU implementing repressive laws in general and on the Internet in particular. The recent EU Data Directive is essentially one man's work, Swedish Justice minister Thomas Bodstrom, a former football player who smoked dope, somehow managed to become a lawyer and then to everybody's surprise was turned into minister of justice, on which position he has drafted more laws than anyone in history and effectively flushed personal integirty down the toilet. The directive, since long before in effect in Sweden, makes it mandatory for ISP:s to save customers' internet traffic data for at least two years. Other repressive measures in Sweden include a law against writing about other persons without their express permission unless being a journalist.
Sweden has also joined the ranks of the filter regimes, using DNS spoofing and other sabotages to the infrastructure to redirect pornsurfers looking for kiddie porn to a government website. It is not by law, but by cooperation with all the larger ISP:s (under threat of legislation).
You might also wonder why Sweden has not voiced concern over Chinese journalists being jailed in China. Well, that is because Sweden has had its own Shi Tao since the 70s, Jan Guillou (and Peter Bratt), who investigated and reported about an illegal spy organisation (Inormation Bureau) and subsequently was put to jail for espionage.
One might have the impression that Sweden is a free and modern welfare state, but those days are since long gone. Today's Sweden is the leading oppressor in Europe, with no-tolerance laws on everything from gambling to prostitution and drugs. The Swedish government sees the Internet mostly as an outlet for hate speech, porn and illegal downloading, and if they would decide to shut down the Pirate Bay during a lunch break, it would be done in a matter of minutes by a simple phone call.
L'iPod est mortes, vive l'iPod!
Saying that there are no such thing as human races is an untenable abuse of language. The right term, perhaps, would be "there are only minor changes between the races" or rather "there is almost universal interbreeding between the races." No ammount of genetics will ever change the fact that children look like their parents, and genetically different groups have identifiable physical differences.
No. In fact the term "race" is not a valid term. It is called sub-species, and as I laid out in the previous post there are in fact three sup-species among humans that are not Homo sapiens sapiens but Homo sapiens somethingelsius. But these are isolated cases. Thus, science doesn't recognize the term "race", and even if it did, it wouldn't be what you and Mrs. Robinson mean with "race".
I can give you a gene to study, and you cannot tell me what "race" this gene's carrier is (I'll give you 1000 samples in order to weed out guesses and make a statistically accurate falsification of your lies). That is the ultimate test of "race".
Sheesh. If sub-group A (let's call them Republicans) has more children than sub-group B (let's call them Democrats), then the tribe that contains both sub-groups will, generation after generation, tend to be more like sub-group A.
No. This is simply not so, because warriors (in the original example) don't mate with warriors; they mate with females, who are carriers of the whole population's gene pool.
In the case of democrats and republicans... alright. Republicans get more kids, and these kids must then make their offspring with another republican, otherwise your thesis falls. Considering that humans tend to be just a teeny weeny little more complex than you suggest, it will easily be demonstrated that these kids will look for other traits in their dates than their parent's political preference, and many of them will also revolt against their parents and do the opposite. Not to mention that societal conditions constantly change; it might have been cool to be a republican in the Reagan era, but look what retarded inbred bastard runs the country now... (likewise, there are no Samurai in Japan today, and no feudal vassals in Europe, no plantation owners doing slave trade in Virginia).
A few basics:
1. genes govern everything we are and are not, and everybody has a different set of genes (with the exception of twins). Thus, no one is actually created equal, in the sense you are suggesting.
2. although genes on the individual level can vary significantly from another (think John Holmes, think Albert Einstein), there is virtually no difference at all on the group level. This means that if you compare a distinct ethnic group (or "race" as they still call it in the US) with another, you will find a much larger variation within each group than between the groups. This is what scientists mean when they say we are all Homo sapiens sapiens (except for three tiny African tribes, who DO qualify as another sub-species (or "race" as they still call it in the US). What this basically means is that we are all the same on the group level; this is not just politically correct, but also scientifically correct. A few discrepancies such as resistance to malaria, skin color, hair color and other minute genome changes donät change this.
3. we tend to categorize people by their looks. Japanese and Chinese are all small, and this must be because of their genes, right? Did you know that the average height for a European was 150 cm in the 1500s? That it is now 180 cm is of course because of altered diet, and we now utlizie our genetic potential to the maxium. The same goes for modern Japanese and Chinese to a certain extent (do you know who Yao Ming is?), but many Asians have low protein diets and thus don't maximize their genetic potential.
4. TFA mentions that some warriors tend to have three times as many babies as non-warriors, and that this would have a social effect, making the tribe more aggressive on the whole. That is such rubbish that I can't even start to think about its national socialist roots; it doesn't work that way, since others still have babies at a significant rate. If you compare artificial selection measures like milking cows, you would see that one weeds out all the "bad" examples; that doesn't happen in real life, and that is why you don't see natural selection happen before your eyes.
Well, Microsoft has always been a slow adapter of everything. USB was late, even a GUI came late. There is still support for floppy disks... no surprise here.
This is good. I don't want to see Macs contaminated with 10 GB of installed rubbish.
You originally wrote:
"For that matter, if China (mainland) blazes the path for Chinese TLDs, would they go with gb2312 and thus sort of make China (mainland)'s TLD scheme the default for the world as opposed to Taiwan's Big5?"
Thus you referred implicitly to a simplified character encoding (GB2312) and a traditional (Big5). The mistake is that China doesn't endore any simplified encoding at all, but only a genuinely Chinese encoding, GB18030. Since this set is compatible with Unicode, it also incorporates all Western, Japanese, Korean and whatever scripts.
Traditional characters are not a problem in China, but simplified characters are a huge problem on Taiwan, because the simplified script is outlawed for political reasons (it is said to be a "communist" thing, although the simplification process began already in the Republican era after the wu-si yundong in 1919; the "communists" just fulfilled what everyone agreed on, and today Taiwan is pissed because they are being marginalized).
The answer to your original question is thus still that China will not go with anything that opposes Big5, since this encoding soup is already history (except on Taiwan).
Simplified Chinese as in GB2312 is severly outdated, although still in heavy use on the Web, mainly because users don't know better. The same is true for traditional Chinese as in Big5 or other character encodings.
No, if the Chinese would go their own way and make everything Chinese, which they won't btw, they would use the Chinese encoding GB18030. Note that this is neither a simplified Chinese encoding nor a traditional Chinese encoding, it is just a *Chinese* encoding, compatible with Unicode and able to represent all Chinese characters ever in use. This is the government mandated encoding, and computer companies are require to support it if they want to operate in China.
So please stop referring to "simplified" and "traditional"; this is mostly a Taiwanese political thingy, not an issue on China. Thus, there only is a Chinese encoding, and it is called GB18030.
The Finns should be disqualified for this study, they have hardened their tissues by life-long use of saunas.
Aw, man... why so negative? A search for Tian'an men (in Chinese) on Baidu gave me this cool picture. Much prettier to look at than some stupid tank man:
& tn=baiduimagedetail&word=%CC%EC%B0%B2%C3%C5&in=290
i s_990705.HTM
http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=503316480&z=345043300
Fuck, when I do a search for Paris on Google Images, all I get is vacation pictures and that porn star... not a single picture of Nazi troops invading the city. A search on l'arc de triomphe also gives vacation pictures.
Anyway, Tian'an men square has been the stage for many more battles than the most recent one in 1989. For the Chinese, it is not synonymous with student protests or government massacres (and actually none died on the square itself) or demonstrations in general.
It is only to Westerners with an agenda it has that bloody connotation. Wonder when those people with an agenda will start picking om Mugabe instead? Or becoming a "human shield" in Zimbabwe? There were no human shields in Halabja either, nor in Iraq or Iran in the 1980s war.
Why so preoccupied with the square incident? Will it lead to something?
http://www.sinopolis.com/Archives/Sinopsis/Sinops
* Microsoft will ship its most secure flagship Vista this year
* Microsoft will dominate the digital lifestyle soon
* Microsoft will be better than iTunes any day now
* Microsoft will soon fucking kill Google
* Microsoft will soon prevail with its Windows Media architecture over the standard standards
* Microsoft is not evil
Why, just switch to Fairplay then, you insensitive clods!
Wow... I have been using the domain http://www.xn--x00a.net/ for almost two years... how is this news? That they are finally implementing punycode also in China?
.cn address for this one ;-)
The domain I have translates to http://www./#32911;.net/ which in Chinese would mean www.fuck.net. Not sure I could get a corresponding
Yeah? Sweden is a monarchy? Yes. Sweden is a constitutional monarchy? Yes. Constitutional monarchies are usually representative democracies where the monarch has no political power? Yes.
No, there is no such law in Sweden. The GOVERNMENT censored a political opponent's web site (which contained nothing illegal whatsoever), and this is strictly illegal. Not a word on Slashdot...
No, this is pure China bashing. There's nothing new in what is reported, just new iterations of the same stuff, and it is the same China-illiterate crowd that howls "Communists!" as always.
There are other stories that could have been discussed, like Swedish security police and state department shutting down a political party's web site for showing a picture of Muhammed (Sweden is supposedly a democracy), like Austria sentencing a British author to three years in prison for having non-conformant views (Austria is supposedly a democracy), like the EU deciding to store Internet traffic, like the dissolution of the freedom of the press (and speech) in Europe and other parts of the Western world after Islamist extremists threatened with violence.
These questions are so much more important at this moment than what is happening in a dictatorship on its slow march to civilized society and democracy.
The font changes from the specified STFangsong to STHeiti as soon as the character is not in GB-2312, which is odd since this is a UTF-8 page. A long-standing bug that has been ignored.
Also, I don't really want to download one browser for each language I want to use... I think a browser that has language resources is to be preferred over several stand-alone language versions.
Most people are probably not bothered by this, but the original poster claimed that Camino (a Carbon Gecko browser) rendered better than Safari (a Cocoa browser), which is nothing but an uninformed statement.
Yeah, of course it "works" in every modern browser (even in IE6!), but there are some fine differences between Safari and the Gecko pack (including Camino) for Mac OS X. This can be seen clearly in the section covering Chinese slang, where some characters are shown in the wrong font; this is called the MacRoman bug on Mac OS X, and only happens with Carbon apps, not with Cocoa apps. In general, Carbon suxxorz and Cocoa rulez!
For Windows, all fonts are evenly ugly, so it really doesn't matter there.
Don't get me wrong, Firefox et al are very good browsers, but on the Mac it is better to use Safari.
No, no, no, I am talking about the rendering of multilingual pages (see my homepage for an example). Although multilingual browsers are also something Mozilla never had and never will have.
Maybe in limited cases, but if you do multilingual stuff Safari leaves the Gecko camp miles behind.
1. User must download link
2. Safari must allow expanding of zip file
3. Zip app must allow executing of unzipped file (this is not normal)
4. Normally, the file will appear on the desktop, without being executed. It does have a movie icon, but for those of us who always pre-watch movies and what have you in a Finder column window, this doesn't really present a problem; it says Terminal Document below the movie icon (and no one in their right mind would zip a movie anyway, it's a bit like those pornmovie.exe you find sometimes).
Well, this is all part of the Golden shield project, which uses Western technology (surveillance tech provided by the FBI) and is built mainly by some 300 Western companies. Isn't a bit too late complaining now?
Lotsa uninformed China bashing on Slashdot these days...
My point is that using the search term "tiananmen" in a comparison between google.cn and google.com is totally useless, since Chinese people use Chinese characters in their search for information. That one screen dump shows tanks exclusively and the other none at all just means that Western sources writing about the Tiananmen square are rather one-sided. It could also mean that Google is skewing the results (or rather being fooled by the propaganda organizations to give skewed results).
Chinese people, who all know about the 6/4 events in 1989, are rather puzzled whenever I show them the real Google search for "tiananmen". They know all about the government censoring the Internet in certain taboo questions, and they all know how to circumvent it, but they also feel that the Western picture of the square is fundamentally flawed. Most Chinese don't associate Tiananmen with this one student revolt; it has so many more dimensions, and it is a national symbol.
Actually, they don't filter at all. They block, either by IP or by key word intrusion detection (IDS, blocking in real-time based on key words and AI algorithms). Hard blocks are easy to circumvent, intrusion detection blocks are much harder to get by. When using google.com in China, it often happens that the IDS kicks in and blocks Google for a couple of minutes. THIS frustrating reality is the REAL reason to why Google wants a Chinese domain, because there is no firewall action within the Chinese network. Thus, more people will use Google than before with this strategy, and people won't be frustrated searching for normal stuff. The censoring thus has no real effect, because those who really want to search for sensitive information will continue use google.com with all the associated tricks.
Therefore, I don't understand the critique against Google. It is uninformed, irrational and plain stupid.
No.
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Look at http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN
This is the real Google with Chinese localization (as any Chinese would use it) searching for "Tiananmen Square" as it is written in Chinese. Not a single tank.
I think this is a LOT more balanced picture of that square than what is portrayed in Western media, for whom the massacre that day (although not on the square itself) is the ONLY reason to ever mentioning Tiananmen.