I know that a great deal of people love NSAS (myself included) however this would seem to be justification in the minds of washington political leaders to cut funding. This would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. People in the up and up positions like to have the chance to get returns on investments they make so0 they can get re-elected. I think it may be time to do more advertizing on their rocksts ad such. Hmm.. a red hat logo is the first thing that the martians see.
To some extent. In theory one ought to be able to upgrade one package at a time. But there's a particular problem at the moment as stable uses libc 2.0.7 but the packages in unstable use libc 2.1, and so won't run on a "stable" system.
I think that the most important update is the one for libc. Just upgrade the libc version and you will be set. Right now you get just download it on a floppy and install as follows
prompt~# mount -t msdos/dev/fd0/floppy prompt~# dpkg -i/floppy/libc.deb
or something similar. Solves all your problems really quickly.
Bastille Linux is a secure addon to redhat, i believe. You can find this at http://bastille-linux.sourceforge.net/bastille.html
Interesting how they name the most secure version of linux after a rather infamous French prison that was sacked rather easily by a bunch of angry peseants. Oh well I could have chosen a rather non-ironic name.
Nonetheless, I don't think it "would still be Linux" in the same sense. IMO, for it to become "very popular" a solid release/version/what-have-you would have to be released which had support out the a$$ -- that normal idiots could get to work. A version like this is not freeforming and "open," as I see it. So, it would not be the ever-changing linux of today.
Hmm.. Well we have "upgrade" versions of Windows 95/98 and We have NT service packs. It could happen. However that would still not be the only version of linux out there at all. Debian will always be there. The most likely candiate for my description would be Red Hat of maybe Caldera. This however would not really cause it to be stangant.
That was a very good interview, and very informative. As a die-hard everything-but-debian user (by accident, I've just never happened to have used debian or any of its derivatives), I'm very tempted to drop debian on a machine or two. The release history seems to suck, but isnt that fixed by using something like apt to update all of your packages? The pool of fresh packages seems like an awesome idea.
Quite easy. I use floppies to upgrade most of my packages and I have a reasonably up to date system just by using dpkg -i package.deb. Works great with just a couple of glitches with a few packages that don't want to uninstall (the different povray front-ends).
I didn't see any of the questions about Bastille Linux versus Debian, or if there are any plans to try to do a secure version of Debian, so that the Linux community can finally have something that might be approaching the inherent default security that is available with OpenBSD.
If you wish to make debian secure there are numberous packages that are in the non-us directory on the main ftp site (and mirrors) which can make it secure. As far as making a "secure distribution" that is similar to OpenBSD that would create too many problems with being able to export the standard core part of the OS. Therefore it is seperate.
The question is, if Linux becomes very popular, would it still be Linux?
I think it would nothing changes from it's core.
There are probably many people who would not like to see the power of Linux in the hands of "the unwashed masses" and leave.
For what? to something that has a more difficult method of doing things? I see most of the people using linux as a replacement for development and such from the windows experience and not for the arcane nature (only) of it.
Will this happen?
Well in computer science they use windows machines in a great deal of universities for general programming has this actually hurt the practice of standard nature of the ANSI standard of C++ as most people program it. I guess if they stress the win32 API but then that isn't usually covered in CS courses (at least not in the ones I know of). It may be with a few people but the core of the people who made it a good system will remain. Most of the alternatives are not as vocal with recruiting members as the linux community. The alternatives are arcane and wish to stay that way. So I see no real decrease of followers.
I have found linux bliss in debian I just wish someone would release a CD a little sooner with some of the more recent packages like an updated version of some more of the packages. I have slink 2.1 r 3 but sometimes it is a little difficult to get the packages from the net.
I am really sure that this could happen but what will happen to being able to actually buy this? As I see this the more something costs in time and complexity the more it costs in terms of raw dollars. I really would rather not have to go back to the days of yore when computers had armed guards around them and required the use of a Phd in some obscure field to operate. Having the 5 richest kings of Europe have access to all the technology makes me sick. I want to have a chance. The only reason that things like the open source movement actually succeeded was because of cheap but powerful/functional computers that everyone could and can now buy. I would hate to think of the world without affordable computing. Now people m,ay not like to think this way but think just how happy all these purists could be if they could have their Ivory TOwer back? They could do all their little research without having all the "rabble" to prevent them from their task. If this can be done and actually have some useful stuff that can actually make the computer less of some kind of silly tool that still requires a great del of knowledge to get something working to it's full potential (for example to have say True AI, Instant linguistic translation, weather forcasting and the like). If people could write programs that did really interesting things then perhaps we would see an improvement in society. As it stands now most people would reason that *I* should spend the time/money/tallent/fatigue to write something that will do some socially enriching task. However most people don't have time time to go and get a Phd degree and then spend at least another 20 hours a day writing code and have just one area of a project take at least 120 years. That's why we have crummy programs and systems of programs. People expect anyone who wants to make their life better to actually do it themselves. The whole perpetuated idea is that happiness exists outside computers in something that cannot and will not last be that marriage, family, career, wealth, health, or life. I maintain that existence could be viewed in relation to how well of a computer experience. If I could exist inside a computer even 5 minutes after my own physical death I would say that it would be a welcome thing.
The internet does not reproduce on its own to my knowledge. It is self modifying to an extent, but I am not aware of any sites that take in anything and then spawn off entirely new websites without human intervention, so it is not technically alive. However, such functionality could easily be introduced. But what purpose would it have?
You have to actually buy a computer get an OS installed and get the web server up and running to actually consider it part of the "internet". If a species is extinct or cannot breed by itself then there's a good chance that it cannot be self replicating. It must do it by itself in every to be alive. Plus the net lacks intelligence in and of itself.
This is just plain idiotic. The only way e-commerce is to take off is if it is universally adopted and considered "safe" by the unwashed masses. What Amazon is doing is *not* protecting their investment in doing busness over the web, rather, they are harming it by discouraging others from using a rather generic, but good, method of making it easier to shop online. The only way e-commerce will take off is if many companies, including competing ones, get out there and present their products. (I know their already are many out now) The threat of being sued because they might be violating someone's stupid patent on common technology would be a serious deterent to a small company attempting to market online.
Why is it necessary to market things online? I would think that basically if you are a complete moron or cannot sell things via land based methods or face to face that perhaps you should not actually start a business, put away your lust/greed for money and power and just work at someplace else where you get a definite paycheck and don't have to wory about when you can eat and get medical care if you get sick. This is especially important if you have a family. Plus I rarely transact business online. Only in extreme cases of desperation have I actually bought something online.
Which amounts to guilty until proven innocent. If B&N has to stop doing business, they start to lose money. In this case the "offensive behaviour" is operating a web site that makes B&N money. Whether Amazon wins or not, B&N still loses money. This is pretty bad.
They do operate standard stores in a great deal of cities around the world. I don't think it would hurt that much.
all fine & dandy until that pesky "two-click" patent pops up... Will have to wait and see I guess, but in a landscape littered with patent mines, this issue is going to come to the fore at some point, and I'd expect it from B&N before joeschmoe.com. They might deem it in their overall better interest to clear the general air with a court precedent if they feel confident they can win.
Why dosn't someone patent it but allow competition with that patent. For example allow their friends to use and not thier enemies. I think that what makes places like Barnes and Noble so good at what they do is not for the implimentation of their "one-click technology" that they "stole" from Amazon but for their selection and service sides. I don't really how easy it is to order nothing but Barney books and Pokemon cards but being able to get something really nice or obscure or interesting. War and Peace is better then coffee mugs any day of the week.
Simple truth: People vote with their wallets. What's going in Seattle right now is further proof of that. Thousands die in car crashes every day and not a peep but if we lose a couple dollars extra each year in taxes (or treaties): rioting in the streets! It's a oversimplification, I know.. but I'm running late for work so this will have to do.
Well let's take this realistically right now. It's not just that I am not interested in anything that dosn't affect my wallet it's just that I have other concerns. People are victims of crime in localalities such as New York because crime is the rule instead of the exception. If the accident rate was at 70% for motorists do you really think poeple would care? If school shootings were the norm would people be suprised if they happened again? Sorry my dear chap but I happen to disagree with your analysis and your obvious attempt to steal the show.
Do you think that was a typo, or are we in for some very weird times in the recording industry?
I actually am interested about why I haven't seen any really cool millenium oriented music out there in the popular stream. Now that would be cool. Just have some rapper rap to passages in Revelation.
Now that reliable evidence indicates that the Feminists have acquired nuclear weapons from sources in the former Soviet Block, it's time to face facts and get right with God. Hold on to your hats, guys, it's gonna get rough.
Billy, mommy said that you can come in and stop playing CIA spy ok? Dinner's ready.
Basically they are trying to make money from putting out crappy portal services and such. That's what all major search engines do. It tries to make the site to be the one and only place you go on the internet with the exception of the pages you visit and they are trying to eliminate the need for that as well.
I remember when they were a search engine. A damn good one too. Then they decided to really cash in on making money and nothing but. That's when they started to get greedy. Their service started to go down the drain and they lost my respect.
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I know that a great deal of people love NSAS (myself included) however this would seem to be justification in the minds of washington political leaders to cut funding.
This would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. People in the up and up positions like to have the chance to get returns on investments they make so0 they can get re-elected. I think it may be time to do more advertizing on their rocksts ad such.
Hmm.. a red hat logo is the first thing that the martians see.
To some extent. In theory one ought to be able to upgrade one package at a time. But there's a particular problem at the moment as stable uses libc 2.0.7 but the packages in unstable use libc 2.1, and so won't run on a "stable" system.
/dev/fd0 /floppy /floppy/libc.deb
I think that the most important update is the one for libc. Just upgrade the libc version and you will be set. Right now you get just download it on a floppy and install as follows
prompt~# mount -t msdos
prompt~# dpkg -i
or something similar. Solves all your problems really quickly.
Bastille Linux is a secure addon to redhat, i believe. You can find this at http://bastille-linux.sourceforge .net/bastille.html
Interesting how they name the most secure version of linux after a rather infamous French prison that was sacked rather easily by a bunch of angry peseants. Oh well I could have chosen a rather non-ironic name.
Depends on your definition of "very popular."
As popular as windows it I guess.
Nonetheless, I don't think it "would still be Linux" in the same sense. IMO, for it to become "very popular" a solid release/version/what-have-you would have to be released which had support out the a$$ -- that normal idiots could
get to work. A version like this is not freeforming and "open," as I see it. So, it would not be the ever-changing linux of today.
Hmm.. Well we have "upgrade" versions of Windows 95/98 and We have NT service packs. It could happen. However that would still not be the only version of linux out there at all. Debian will always be there. The most likely candiate for my description would be Red Hat of maybe Caldera. This however would not really cause it to be stangant.
That was a very good interview, and very informative. As a die-hard everything-but-debian user (by accident, I've just never happened to have used debian or any of its derivatives), I'm very tempted to drop debian on a machine or
two. The release history seems to suck, but isnt that fixed by using something like apt to update all of your packages? The pool of fresh packages seems like an awesome idea.
Quite easy. I use floppies to upgrade most of my packages and I have a reasonably up to date system just by using dpkg -i package.deb. Works great with just a couple of glitches with a few packages that don't want to uninstall (the different povray front-ends).
I didn't see any of the questions about Bastille Linux versus Debian, or if there are any plans to try to do a secure version of Debian, so that the Linux community can finally have something that might be approaching the inherent
default security that is available with OpenBSD.
If you wish to make debian secure there are numberous packages that are in the non-us directory on the main ftp site (and mirrors) which can make it secure. As far as making a "secure distribution" that is similar to OpenBSD that would create too many problems with being able to export the standard core part of the OS. Therefore it is seperate.
The question is, if Linux becomes very popular, would it still be Linux?
I think it would nothing changes from it's core.
There are probably many people who would not like to see the power of Linux in the hands of "the unwashed masses" and leave.
For what? to something that has a more difficult method of doing things? I see most of the people using linux as a replacement for development and such from the windows experience and not for the arcane nature (only) of it.
Will this happen?
Well in computer science they use windows machines in a great deal of universities for general programming has this actually hurt the practice of standard nature of the ANSI standard of C++ as most people program it. I guess if they stress the win32 API but then that isn't usually covered in CS courses (at least not in the ones I know of). It may be with a few people but the core of the people who made it a good system will remain. Most of the alternatives are not as vocal with recruiting members as the linux community. The alternatives are arcane and wish to stay that way. So I see no real decrease of followers.
he is a nazi
What because he has a German name? Reality check there are more Nazis in Idaho than there are in all of modern day Germany get your facts straight.
I have found linux bliss in debian I just wish someone would release a CD a little sooner with some of the more recent packages like an updated version of some more of the packages. I have slink 2.1 r 3 but sometimes it is a little difficult to get the packages from the net.
I am really sure that this could happen but what will happen to being able to actually buy this?
As I see this the more something costs in time and complexity the more it costs in terms of raw dollars. I really would rather not have to go back to the days of yore when computers had armed guards around them and required the use of a Phd in some obscure field to operate.
Having the 5 richest kings of Europe have access to all the technology makes me sick. I want to have a chance. The only reason that things like the open source movement actually succeeded was because of cheap but powerful/functional computers that everyone could and can now buy. I would hate to think of the world without affordable computing. Now people m,ay not like to think this way but think just how happy all these purists could be if they could have their Ivory TOwer back? They could do all their little research without having all the "rabble" to prevent them from their task.
If this can be done and actually have some useful stuff that can actually make the computer less of some kind of silly tool that still requires a great del of knowledge to get something working to it's full potential (for example to have say True AI, Instant linguistic translation, weather forcasting and the like). If people could write programs that did really interesting things then perhaps we would see an improvement in society. As it stands now most people would reason that *I* should spend the time/money/tallent/fatigue to write something that will do some socially enriching task. However most people don't have time time to go and get a Phd degree and then spend at least another 20 hours a day writing code and have just one area of a project take at least 120 years.
That's why we have crummy programs and systems of programs. People expect anyone who wants to make their life better to actually do it themselves. The whole perpetuated idea is that happiness exists outside computers in something that cannot and will not last be that marriage, family, career, wealth, health, or life. I maintain that existence could be viewed in relation to how well of a computer experience. If I could exist inside a computer even 5 minutes after my own physical death I would say that it would be a welcome thing.
The internet does not reproduce on its own to my knowledge. It is self modifying to an extent, but I am not aware of any sites that take in anything and then spawn off entirely new websites without human intervention, so it is not
technically alive. However, such functionality could easily be introduced. But what purpose would it have?
You have to actually buy a computer get an OS installed and get the web server up and running to actually consider it part of the "internet". If a species is extinct or cannot breed by itself then there's a good chance that it cannot be self replicating. It must do it by itself in every to be alive. Plus the net lacks intelligence in and of itself.
This is just plain idiotic. The only way e-commerce is to take off is if it is universally adopted and considered "safe" by the unwashed masses. What Amazon is doing is *not* protecting their investment in doing busness over the
web, rather, they are harming it by discouraging others from using a rather generic, but good, method of making it easier to shop online. The only way e-commerce will take off is if many companies, including competing ones, get
out there and present their products. (I know their already are many out now) The threat of being sued because they might be violating someone's stupid patent on common technology would be a serious deterent to a small company
attempting to market online.
Why is it necessary to market things online? I would think that basically if you are a complete moron or cannot sell things via land based methods or face to face that perhaps you should not actually start a business, put away your lust/greed for money and power and just work at someplace else where you get a definite paycheck and don't have to wory about when you can eat and get medical care if you get sick. This is especially important if you have a family. Plus I rarely transact business online. Only in extreme cases of desperation have I actually bought something online.
Which amounts to guilty until proven innocent. If B&N has to stop doing business, they start to lose money. In this case the "offensive behaviour" is operating a web site that makes B&N money. Whether Amazon wins or not,
B&N still loses money. This is pretty bad.
They do operate standard stores in a great deal of cities around the world. I don't think it would hurt that much.
all fine & dandy until that pesky "two-click" patent pops up... Will have to wait and see I guess, but in a landscape littered with patent mines, this issue is going to come to the fore at some point, and I'd expect it from B&N before
joeschmoe.com. They might deem it in their overall better interest to clear the general air with a court precedent if they feel confident they can win.
Why dosn't someone patent it but allow competition with that patent. For example allow their friends to use and not thier enemies. I think that what makes places like Barnes and Noble so good at what they do is not for the implimentation of their "one-click technology" that they "stole" from Amazon but for their selection and service sides. I don't really how easy it is to order nothing but Barney books and Pokemon cards but being able to get something really nice or obscure or interesting. War and Peace is better then coffee mugs any day of the week.
If you think this is bad, wait 'til cases like this have the WTO behind them...
Is there a statement of their finicial capital somewhere? Is this required of international organizations? Isn't there some UN rules?
I would imagine that in other countries, companies that do this just don't have as many resources to back up absurd patent claims.
What about all the capital that is usually invested in the major investment centers like Switzerland and others?
Why don't we actually hear more about the patent problems elsewhere? I can hardly believe that only the US has greedy exclusionists.
Simple truth: People vote with their wallets. What's going in Seattle right now is further proof of that. Thousands die in car crashes every day and not a peep but if we lose a couple dollars extra each year in taxes (or treaties): rioting
in the streets! It's a oversimplification, I know.. but I'm running late for work so this will have to do.
Well let's take this realistically right now. It's not just that I am not interested in anything that dosn't affect my wallet it's just that I have other concerns. People are victims of crime in localalities such as New York because crime is the rule instead of the exception. If the accident rate was at 70% for motorists do you really think poeple would care? If school shootings were the norm would people be suprised if they happened again? Sorry my dear chap but I happen to disagree with your analysis and your obvious attempt to steal the show.
Do you think that was a typo, or are we in for some very weird times in the recording industry?
I actually am interested about why I haven't seen any really cool millenium oriented music out there in the popular stream. Now that would be cool. Just have some rapper rap to passages in Revelation.
I use a combination of northernlight, google, and alltheweb. They work great for finding all that I need.
Is there a service that can do Chinese or Japanese pictographs or text? I haven't found one yet.
Why leave? I don't judge a job based on the remote possibility of making a quick stock option cash in.
Now that reliable evidence indicates that the Feminists have acquired nuclear weapons from sources in the former Soviet Block, it's time to face facts and get right with God. Hold on to your hats, guys, it's gonna get rough.
Billy, mommy said that you can come in and stop playing CIA spy ok? Dinner's ready.
Basically they are trying to make money from putting out crappy portal services and such. That's what all major search engines do. It tries to make the site to be the one and only place you go on the internet with the exception of the pages you visit and they are trying to eliminate the need for that as well.
I remember when they were a search engine. A damn good one too. Then they decided to really cash in on making money and nothing but. That's when they started to get greedy. Their service started to go down the drain and they lost my respect.