The people tearing up Seattle (look at what they did to a coffeehouse - ON CAMERA) have no political agenda. They aren't protesting the WTO. They're just sad sacks of $hit who have no respect for other people's property!
They probably don't but when was the last time you cried when something happened to Starbucks before?
Well, the UN Didn't enter Kosovo, it was NATO. And it pissed a lot of people off (most notably China, bombing there embassy wasn't such a good idea ether)
So suddently saving people is a bad idea? Hmm.. I guess we should make 911 a phone sex number then because no one needs emergency assistance right? You couldn't be more wrong about needing to help people in times of crisis. The balkan nations are not really the interesting in and of themselves but because of where they are strategically places.
Anyway, I realize that Countries are going to like the idea of sovereignty quite a bit, because if sovereignty is lost, the people signing the treaties loose power. Its an important thing, for those in power. Since I'm not in power, I don't really care.
If you live there and want a continuous trade relationship for basics like food and medicine and stable working conditions.
These are all good questions, and right now the answer seems to be no. But that's not what I'm talking about. Obviously I don't want the US government replaced by a bunch g8 members and people who meet in closed conferences lead by Bill Gates. What I said was that if I keep all the rights I had now then it would be OK. This includes the right to vote, and to know what my government is up to. Let me state again: As long as I retain the rights I currently have, I don't care who's running the show. This is more then just free speech, but also the political rights I enjoy as well.
Ahhh my friend you have fallen for the slippery slope theory hook, line, and sinker. So I guess tomorrow because all of the poor, over worked people in the new government we need to wear computer implants which track us by satellite right? After that we need to submit to daily polygraph test at our local MSschool #3.05 v1.8 right? Maybe have all computers and software build and sold by microsoft? The leaders of a country will change the country's policies in ways you are not taking into account. In time a new government will change the course of politics. Just look at foreign policy and domestic actions from the end of the Bush presidency to the current Clinton one. See any differences? I thought so.
No, I'm not. (well, maybe suck is a little strong of a word)
Most probably in a crowd such as this. This story was here after 9 at night and by morning it had grown to 610 comments before I posted anything. Can you say yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
Sovereignty works great, if you already live in a democracy with lots of rights, etc. But I don't see why its so important to extend it to rouge nations, or, for that matter why US sovereignty is even so important to begin with.
I would agree with the first part. And the first part of the second sentence. However you must be joking right? I take it from your earlier posts that you are from India correct? Well I guess it was wrong for Mathama Ghandi to decide to rebel against the British right? I mean what are the rights of several million innocents? For that matter if the United States was not around Hitler , Tojo, and Musilini(sp) would most likely be running the show; considering just how nice Hitler would have been to anyone not in the "Arian race" I would have trouble believing that hardly any of the people in the world who weren't white or with the program would have even survived in anything less than slave labor. Rouge nations should be controlled however just look at their world. Most likely those rouge nations (at the moment places like Iraq, and Serbia) are not under control by the people. Basically a group of a core few government leaders and the military are supporting such regimes. The people are not at all interested in actually supporting these men on principal, the just support them because they want to eat at least 1 meal a week and be able to continue to have their families live with being executed in some "police station". Iraq is actually suffering quite heavily as far as the civilian population goes. The only reason we actually keep he under our thumb is because we have oil interests and such, as well as the fact that he is a magalomaniac and would most likely do something stupid with his toys (read nukes, biological/chemical agents).
Like I said, as long as my rights are maintained, I don't really care whose running the show (this includes the right to vote, etc)
Hmm... well this puzzles me. The only reason the British people have rights is through a series of precents that have evolved from about the 16th century or earlier starting from the Magna Carta and moving on the the creation of Parliment which reduced royalty to a puppet regime. Take a look at some of the rulings on encryption to see what I mean.
Before 50 billion people jump down this persons throat, let's remember the forum, and remember that this is all pretty offtopic stuff.
How is discussing the subject of the post off topic? And I hardly believe that anywhere close to 1,000,000,000 people would read/post to slashdot anyway, hyperbole notwithstanding.
But for you sir, I would say that indeed more research on your part might perhaps lend a different opinion. In addition to some of the things you bring up, there are also other very important issues at stake, such as national sovereignty and the like, and that enough people _from around the world_ felt it was a big deal that they gathered to enact the LARGEST protest and civil demonstration in all of american history, including the civil rights movement. It's not just 'seattleites', but indeed upwards of 40 to 50 thousand people.
How very interesting so basically what your saying is that this is even bigger than the civil rights movement right? Guess my father was just flipping out when there was rioting in the streets of his nearby Midwest town when he was there in the 60's and they national guard brought live duty troops and tanks from Vietnam to quell civil unrest because of race riots right? What about various riots in Chicago. The Zoot suit riots?
I do not see international issues really captivating the American people as a large for several reasons. Basically politics and world affairs have grown increasingly subtle; there are not clear cut "bad guys" and no clear cut "good guys" only issues that are important to various people at large and need to be addressed. The issues divide people very neatly and completely. Ever heard of divide and conquer? Just another example of this in action. Having such issues be difficult to unite on is perhaps the best weapon of people who want to keep factions divided. What must be understood is that this is not America but a large group of highly educated individuals who have come around the world and decide to protest. Most likely when this convention is usually held in other places there are sorts of "groupies" that will hang out at the convention and protest for the principle of the matter. It's just that most people thought that this would get some real motivated response from the people of America. Well I think it worked.
Where I live we get a viewing of the BBC on public television and it seems pretty good. I however dislike staying up late to watch news. I guess things like good news coverage are worth it.
And Interviews. Classy interviews! There was one explaining why the UK cannot in principle ban asbestos (known to put public health at risk) because it goes against the rules of the WTO. If that where not enough, it is not possible for a country to impose restrictos to ban firms that use child labor because you'll have trouble with the WTO.
We have no trouble with that in the United States. However I would contest the removal of abestos in public buildings. I attended a high school where they thought it was a good idea to remove the abestos while people were still in the building (in enclosures) I am hoping that I will not get some form of lung cancer later. I guess the school could be held responsible.
Although this kind of things is not new. The so-called third world has had to deal with this sort of situation for years.
The UK part of the thrid world? I would doubt that. However most of the countries commonly associated with the "third world" are in fact countries that abandoned colonial standing and decided to make it on their own. What is going on in those societies today is a direct result of having an unstable infrastructure and a weak government to prevent abuses of power internationally.
THe only thing I can say about the protests is that I'd LOVE to be in Seattle! Man I would RUSH to the street. I am thankfull to all those people protesting. It is important to stop the corporations of getting too powerfull.
Then summarily shot with rubber bullets, hit with night sticks/battons, maced, and gassed all at the same time. Good plan. If someone really wanted to do something attack the actual WTO members instead of the police. Yelling in a crowded street will not help anything.
There were very very few violent people initially. It wasn't until the police started firing tear gas and stuff that more people joined in the violence and things began to escalate. I don't know if I'm paranoid enough to believe that those who started the violence were plants, but in this crazy world, you never know...
The only people that I believe to be plants in all logic would be factions of the anti-WTO individuals. What particular purpose would some group (even large) or peaceful protesters have? Most likely no one would have ever found out about the little convention and life would have progessed quite fine.
you know, it would make sense for the WTO to inject felonious protesters so as to bring on a police action that would distract the media from actually covering the peaceful protestors and disseminating the anti-WTO agenda.
You know the way people act you would think that the Smoking man and his cronies are actually in there planning out the surrender and annialiation of all the free world. I really haven't heard about the WTO in terms of all their "evil" actions. In fact their title dosn't hardly register in my mind. How long have they been around. Most likely since WWII.
As long as public key cryptography requires the use of something like this it will never catch on. What someone needs to do is to have a service which allows for the signing and encryption/decryption of messages using pgp or gnupg.
So what would happen if I got an anti-aircraft gun and just "accidently" shot it down. Perhaps if some of my little terrorist buddies started do things like that. I know what I would do. I would take a picknic lunch and go out on the side of the road and just leasurely eat my lunch while the helicopter wasted thousands of dollars worth of fuel. You haven't broken any laws and it's public property so therefore they can do nothing. Plus with my live net feed I doubt that even then an "accident" would happen.
Specifically what? ZDNet is stupid and worthless as well. I can think of no actual news service that dosn't have problems with it's readership or methods. Just can't stand people having a good time can you.
Go ahead and do what you like. The military cannot arrest, kill, or harass ordinary citizens. Only if I take the Oath of the soldier can any military type legally do anything of the sort. Maybe I will do just that. I will take a little video camera with a satellite link and transmit all the data to a viedo simulcast to the web *smirk*.
Suurrreee... tell me when the collective decides to come and assimilate humanity so I can get there and become a borg too ok? Even with the best forms of body modification no one can live forever. Ever looked at ST even at that level of technology no one can really live forever. Most people die at around 120 or so.
No but it cannot help. That bars him from getting a job in virtually any government office even as the janitor. Working in any company that would have government contracts or works on classified material. Basically any criminal reccord including traffic tickets are used routinely to prevent people from obtaining jobs.
You have quite the flair for the dramatic you know. Do you know that most of the idea of free speech is actually taken away from you with regards to daily life. You boss says your a screw up you can:
1. Tell him that he is wrong using *wink* nice language.
2. Say he is wrong and leave it at that.
3. Give supporting evidence.
4. Just agrre and beg for another chance.
Usually in cases of "free speech" 3 and 4 are almost the only things that can be done. Sometimes only 4.
Actually eventually someone would say something. I guess China has no shame because they committed espionage on facilities that we owned and operated I guess? What about British spies using Eschelon data gathering equipment to spy on my data transmissions. The passing of various bills in that country that force surrender of encryption keys, etc. Other places have no shame as well I guess that means the only place to be is someplace like Tuvalu.
It's an elaborate attempt to gain more press for the Dark Side to win. The more the government can make things look good the more they will usually win. Better call out Scully and Mulder huh?
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The blue pill lets you go back to your little world and forget you were close to the truth.
If something dosn't kill me it only makes me stronger to paraphrase Nietzche(sp).
The people tearing up Seattle (look at what they did to a coffeehouse - ON CAMERA) have no political agenda. They aren't protesting the WTO. They're just sad sacks of $hit who have no respect for other people's property!
They probably don't but when was the last time you cried when something happened to Starbucks before?
Well, the UN Didn't enter Kosovo, it was NATO. And it pissed a lot of people off (most notably China, bombing there embassy wasn't such a good idea ether)
So suddently saving people is a bad idea? Hmm.. I guess we should make 911 a phone sex number then because no one needs emergency assistance right? You couldn't be more wrong about needing to help people in times of crisis. The balkan nations are not really the interesting in and of themselves but because of where they are strategically places.
Anyway, I realize that Countries are going to like the idea of sovereignty quite a bit, because if sovereignty is lost, the people signing the treaties loose power. Its an important thing, for those in power. Since I'm not in power, I
don't really care.
If you live there and want a continuous trade relationship for basics like food and medicine and stable working conditions.
These are all good questions, and right now the answer seems to be no. But that's not what I'm talking about. Obviously I don't want the US government replaced by a bunch g8 members and people who meet in closed conferences
lead by Bill Gates. What I said was that if I keep all the rights I had now then it would be OK. This includes the right to vote, and to know what my government is up to. Let me state again: As long as I retain the rights I
currently have, I don't care who's running the show. This is more then just free speech, but also the political rights I enjoy as well.
Ahhh my friend you have fallen for the slippery slope theory hook, line, and sinker. So I guess tomorrow because all of the poor, over worked people in the new government we need to wear computer implants which track us by satellite right? After that we need to submit to daily polygraph test at our local MSschool #3.05 v1.8 right? Maybe have all computers and software build and sold by microsoft? The leaders of a country will change the country's policies in ways you are not taking into account. In time a new government will change the course of politics. Just look at foreign policy and domestic actions from the end of the Bush presidency to the current Clinton one. See any differences? I thought so.
Witch - chick who rides a broom and has toads for pets
I would say that it's more along the lines of a female who practices in the black arts or various areas of magic and conjurings.
oops sory about that cut/paste has been acting up again.
Like I said, as long as my rights are maintained, I don't really care whose running the show (this includes the right to vote, etc)
Thanks for the info. I guess that would explain why I haven't heard a great deal about them.
No, I'm not. (well, maybe suck is a little strong of a word)
Most probably in a crowd such as this. This story was here after 9 at night and by morning it had grown to 610 comments before I posted anything. Can you say yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
Sovereignty works great, if you already live in a democracy with lots of rights, etc. But I don't see why its so important to extend it to rouge nations, or, for that matter why US sovereignty is even so important to begin with.
I would agree with the first part. And the first part of the second sentence. However you must be joking right? I take it from your earlier posts that you are from India correct? Well I guess it was wrong for Mathama Ghandi to decide to rebel against the British right? I mean what are the rights of several million innocents? For that matter if the United States was not around Hitler , Tojo, and Musilini(sp) would most likely be running the show; considering just how nice Hitler would have been to anyone not in the "Arian race" I would have trouble believing that hardly any of the people in the world who weren't white or with the program would have even survived in anything less than slave labor. Rouge nations should be controlled however just look at their world. Most likely those rouge nations (at the moment places like Iraq, and Serbia) are not under control by the people. Basically a group of a core few government leaders and the military are supporting such regimes. The people are not at all interested in actually supporting these men on principal, the just support them because they want to eat at least 1 meal a week and be able to continue to have their families live with being executed in some "police station". Iraq is actually suffering quite heavily as far as the civilian population goes. The only reason we actually keep he under our thumb is because we have oil interests and such, as well as the fact that he is a magalomaniac and would most likely do something stupid with his toys (read nukes, biological/chemical agents).
Like I said, as long as my rights are maintained, I don't really care whose running the show (this includes the right to vote, etc)
Hmm... well this puzzles me. The only reason the British people have rights is through a series of precents that have evolved from about the 16th century or earlier starting from the Magna Carta and moving on the the creation of Parliment which reduced royalty to a puppet regime. Take a look at some of the rulings on encryption to see what I mean.
Before 50 billion people jump down this persons throat, let's remember the forum, and remember that this is all pretty offtopic stuff.
How is discussing the subject of the post off topic? And I hardly believe that anywhere close to 1,000,000,000 people would read/post to slashdot anyway, hyperbole notwithstanding.
But for you sir, I would say that indeed more research on your part might perhaps lend a different opinion. In addition to some of the things you bring up, there are also other very important issues at stake, such as national sovereignty
and the like, and that enough people _from around the world_ felt it was a big deal that they gathered to enact the LARGEST protest and civil demonstration in all of american history, including the civil rights movement. It's not just
'seattleites', but indeed upwards of 40 to 50 thousand people.
How very interesting so basically what your saying is that this is even bigger than the civil rights movement right? Guess my father was just flipping out when there was rioting in the streets of his nearby Midwest town when he was there in the 60's and they national guard brought live duty troops and tanks from Vietnam to quell civil unrest because of race riots right? What about various riots in Chicago. The Zoot suit riots?
I do not see international issues really captivating the American people as a large for several reasons. Basically politics and world affairs have grown increasingly subtle; there are not clear cut "bad guys" and no clear cut "good guys" only issues that are important to various people at large and need to be addressed. The issues divide people very neatly and completely. Ever heard of divide and conquer? Just another example of this in action. Having such issues be difficult to unite on is perhaps the best weapon of people who want to keep factions divided. What must be understood is that this is not America but a large group of highly educated individuals who have come around the world and decide to protest. Most likely when this convention is usually held in other places there are sorts of "groupies" that will hang out at the convention and protest for the principle of the matter. It's just that most people thought that this would get some real motivated response from the people of America. Well I think it worked.
I STRONGLY DISAGREE
Watch BBC. They are really bringing info.
Where I live we get a viewing of the BBC on public television and it seems pretty good. I however dislike staying up late to watch news. I guess things like good news coverage are worth it.
And Interviews. Classy interviews! There was one explaining why the UK cannot in principle ban asbestos (known to put public health at risk) because it goes against the rules of the WTO. If that where not enough, it is not possible
for a country to impose restrictos to ban firms that use child labor because you'll have trouble with the WTO.
We have no trouble with that in the United States. However I would contest the removal of abestos in public buildings. I attended a high school where they thought it was a good idea to remove the abestos while people were still in the building (in enclosures) I am hoping that I will not get some form of lung cancer later. I guess the school could be held responsible.
Although this kind of things is not new. The so-called third world has had to deal with this sort of situation for years.
The UK part of the thrid world? I would doubt that. However most of the countries commonly associated with the "third world" are in fact countries that abandoned colonial standing and decided to make it on their own. What is going on in those societies today is a direct result of having an unstable infrastructure and a weak government to prevent abuses of power internationally.
THe only thing I can say about the protests is that I'd LOVE to be in Seattle! Man I would RUSH to the street. I am thankfull to all those people protesting. It is important to stop the corporations of getting too powerfull.
Then summarily shot with rubber bullets, hit with night sticks/battons, maced, and gassed all at the same time. Good plan. If someone really wanted to do something attack the actual WTO members instead of the police. Yelling in a crowded street will not help anything.
There were very very few violent people initially. It wasn't until the police started firing tear gas and stuff that more people joined in the violence and things began to escalate. I don't know if I'm paranoid enough to believe that those
who started the violence were plants, but in this crazy world, you never know...
The only people that I believe to be plants in all logic would be factions of the anti-WTO individuals. What particular purpose would some group (even large) or peaceful protesters have? Most likely no one would have ever found out about the little convention and life would have progessed quite fine.
you know, it would make sense for the WTO to inject felonious protesters so as to bring on a police action that would distract the media from actually covering the peaceful protestors and disseminating the anti-WTO agenda.
You know the way people act you would think that the Smoking man and his cronies are actually in there planning out the surrender and annialiation of all the free world. I really haven't heard about the WTO in terms of all their "evil" actions. In fact their title dosn't hardly register in my mind. How long have they been around. Most likely since WWII.
As long as public key cryptography requires the use of something like this it will never catch on. What someone needs to do is to have a service which allows for the signing and encryption/decryption of messages using pgp or gnupg.
Oh no my freaking ears!!!!!
So what would happen if I got an anti-aircraft gun and just "accidently" shot it down. Perhaps if some of my little terrorist buddies started do things like that. I know what I would do. I would take a picknic lunch and go out on the side of the road and just leasurely eat my lunch while the helicopter wasted thousands of dollars worth of fuel. You haven't broken any laws and it's public property so therefore they can do nothing. Plus with my live net feed I doubt that even then an "accident" would happen.
on the code page from the main page code
Specifically what? ZDNet is stupid and worthless as well. I can think of no actual news service that dosn't have problems with it's readership or methods. Just can't stand people having a good time can you.
Go ahead and do what you like. The military cannot arrest, kill, or harass ordinary citizens. Only if I take the Oath of the soldier can any military type legally do anything of the sort.
Maybe I will do just that. I will take a little video camera with a satellite link and transmit all the data to a viedo simulcast to the web *smirk*.
Suurrreee... tell me when the collective decides to come and assimilate humanity so I can get there and become a borg too ok? Even with the best forms of body modification no one can live forever. Ever looked at ST even at that level of technology no one can really live forever. Most people die at around 120 or so.
Tell me what exactly is a "humanist" religion"? Something like a renissance man?
No but it cannot help. That bars him from getting a job in virtually any government office even as the janitor. Working in any company that would have government contracts or works on classified material. Basically any criminal reccord including traffic tickets are used routinely to prevent people from obtaining jobs.
You have quite the flair for the dramatic you know. Do you know that most of the idea of free speech is actually taken away from you with regards to daily life. You boss says your a screw up you can:
1. Tell him that he is wrong using *wink* nice language.
2. Say he is wrong and leave it at that.
3. Give supporting evidence.
4. Just agrre and beg for another chance.
Usually in cases of "free speech" 3 and 4 are almost the only things that can be done. Sometimes only 4.
where did this myth of the "black helicopters of doom" come from? Typically I see black jackets and face masks but not helicopters.
Actually eventually someone would say something. I guess China has no shame because they committed espionage on facilities that we owned and operated I guess? What about British spies using Eschelon data gathering equipment to spy on my data transmissions. The passing of various bills in that country that force surrender of encryption keys, etc. Other places have no shame as well I guess that means the only place to be is someplace like Tuvalu.
It's an elaborate attempt to gain more press for the Dark Side to win. The more the government can make things look good the more they will usually win. Better call out Scully and Mulder huh?