Yeah that worked real great with the League of Nations didn't it? Shure. If the US dosn't actually have members on any commitee of any significance then the thing usually dosn't fly. This is from history from various reputable sources.
Think about it: 1. Aid in the form of encryption of military orders/terrorism
2. Comfort: They cannot be found out from the everyday life leading to low stress levels and to give them the surety of having en edge.
Actually yes it does using that definition. Althought what damage the government of Portugal or it's army could do against the USA is almost negligable.
*snicker* Actually that would require a lap top would it not and an access to a remote location with a cliff or possibly the access to a rooftop location wouldn't it? Besides many people use comedy nowadays to illustrate points. Getting the feds with egg on their faces would be a nice touch.
Actually I think I will. My life has taken a rather bad turn for the worse lately. A creative method of making the government kill me could just be about the best form of civil disobedience/suicide that could be done. That would also shame the government and make them look quite bad. Of course slashdot is also alias worthy for various reasons.
I could "advocate" the distribution of pgp to say Iran on a web page under an alias with a dummy account and easily get away with it. Anyone can do anything as long as they do not make themselves easily avaible to the law.
It has it's place. I just would like to use the thing without having to have an intricate knowledge of lisp to do so. I have a couple of personalized entries in my.emacs file but that's about. Is there a really good source to customize the thing for coding purposes say C++?
Dosn't this fall in the realm of dome form of..
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..mental disorder? If you were to do things without concious thought that can be a sign of some form of mental disorder. I always believe in hard facts and take thing as using thought. I can recite the ABCs quite easily as I learned them a a small child however I must think about the task (small ammount) to form the sounds that allow me to produce the string of letters. While I am sure memorization is possible there must be a more precise term for the actions you could preform in such a manner. For me I rely on my eyes to do what I cannot immediately see and determine.
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Who said anything about special powers? Think of zen as the focusing of mental ability. Rather than spreading our capacity over a large range of tasks, our mind becomes focused on a single task (or set of tasks), allowing for a dramatic performance increase (i.e. the mental version of distributed processing).
Ok but why is this suddently so special to people? Because of it's literary merit?
P.S. Why does good ol Taco have such "fond" memories of this man. Seems quite trivial.
In english poetry and literature you can find something called a refrain. A literary device that is used to emphasize a point or a basic theme that is moving through the whole piece.
I really don't believe in this whole Zen concept.
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There is not logical notion that human kind has any implied fuzzy quasi-telepathic state wherin they gain "mystical" powers. I think that happiness requires a direct ability to perceive that happiness and translate it into something more comphrensible.
And this has what to do with Red Hat? Do you think RHAT should be investing in sewers? What's your point?
This was relating to the nature or scale of reliability in regards networks with which Red Hat is taking advantage of with the apps that it is supporting finicially.
Depends on what you're storing.
I agree here
Why would you want to do this? Sheer geek factor? OK, let's assume you have some motive....
It would be the height of lunacy to store all this information on the existing "web hosting" sites. They're not scaled for it. Either you'd want to do it yourself, or you'd want a full data storage site -- not a "web hosting" site, that's for small amounts of data.
If you were going to do it yourself, you'd need a whole bunch of disk drives (RAID 4 or RAID 5 preferably), and enough computers (or equivalent devices, like NetApp NFS toasters) to control them. You'd probably want some serious UPSes, or maybe a generator. (Or both.) And most importantly, you'd need a network capable of getting the data from the storage farm to the computers that want to use it. If you want to use it from multiple sites, then you'll need a WAN, or you could use the Internet (if you have a permanent connection). If you want to use it from anywhere then you'll need to connect it to the Internet. At that point, you have just become a data warehouse. So why not throw in a few more TB of storage and offer service to others to help recoup your costs?
And what does this have to do with RHAT?
They create the lust for network usage. I have received the impression that the internet is the be all and the end all of applications. With talk of everything including toasters having IPs that means that the internet will be everywhere: at least for the chosen few.
... and therefore Red Hat should not invest in Mozilla or Sendmail? Are you just whining to hear yourself whine?
Whine only to the extent that it is true. Having say daily digests of slashdot stories would be a help. Or perhaps have digests of the comments after they are archived so that individuals can persue them. Maybe a mirror that is updated very frequently with a large connection. If people are already caught headlong into the frenzy of network activity why not go all the way with it. Mozilla is a browser and sendmail is a mail transport agent that. This illustrates that networks are inefficient with regard to the way they are used and deployed. If more of the resources would be distributed more evenly then we could all be able to bennifit.
No, it's accessible to even lower middle-class people in the USA. Even some of the poor can get online if they're clever enough to use the local public libraries.
Do you think RHAT should invest in something that will improve the lives of the poor? Well, that's really noble, but it's a lousy business model. The poor don't have much disposable discretionary income to throw at RHAT.
Yes it is noble but if I support a controlling regime and allow for people to constantly be put down am I doing the right thing. I have never been able to run a red hat anything due to shortsightedness on their part and a general lack of organization. You should be able to install from floppies. As far as "the business of America is business" concept I loathe it. People who are technically inclined should not be concerned with business practices and such. It's boring, loathesome, irritating, and non productive for the general welfare of man kind. In 10,000 years people will look back and look at our civilization and not see a bunch of worthless business oriented things they will see great monuments, works of art; testaments of the human ability to survive and live without pain and suffering. I say that groups like Debian are a great deal better since they actually give a crap about my existince.
I don't think I could find a 300 baud modem if I tried. I've got an old 1200 baud at home, but it's broken. I've got a working 2400 baud....
I have a 2400 one as well 300 baud can also be set from software angle. The point is that everything should be backwards compatable with almost everything else. Spending away your existence is a really bad thing.
I don't know of any reason why this wouldn't work, but I must admit I haven't actually tried it (see above), and my theoretical background in analog/digital conversion is a bit lacking. Have you actually tried this? What problems did you encounter?
Seriously, if you can afford $120 - $240 USD a year (depending on where you live) for a dialup connection, you can afford at least a 14.4kbps modem. And I know a 14.4kbps modem will work with my ISP, because I've done it. (I still have the 14.4kbps modem, too. I'd estimate its resale value at about $5 USD -- not worth the effort it would take to find a buyer.)
Well from what I have tried I don't think I can. I have tried to connect to various services at a considerably lower speed than what they have as connection speed and it fails. It seems like they want to force you to connect faster. 56k modems seem to be forced down people's collective throats. Shortly after I try to connect to services like this one of two things will happen: 1. They will connect then disconnect me immediately.
2. Not connect after making the initial connection tone and realizing that it must be a 300 or a 2400 or some such.
Network connectivity has really fallen in price... You can get an unlimited dialup connection for 9.95 almost anywhere in the US.
But in theory can I connect at 300 baud? Without backwards compatability we are nothing.
For christ sakes, I have a 3 meg cable modem connection for less than $40/month. That's dirt cheap! They could charge $200/month and I'd still pay! It's like having a T1 to my house...
Until everyone on the block decides to get a cable modem because of the stellar product endosement. Then you have sub modem speeds again for $40/month
What the fuck good are computers anyways? They are prone to failures, expensive, and wholly unnecessary. Why the fuck are they developing anything for computers? Whats the point with that?
They are useful but networks are not.
Why not develope some new flavours of beer instead. Computers are just bad anyways.
I don't know how people can prattle on about beer. Beer and other alchol based beveages are known to cause damage to critical higher reasoning areas of the brain. Plus flavored beer could just as easily be done with a minimum of effort.
Are you seriously arguing that they ought not develop network apps because networks sometimes fail are too expensive for some? Is this a joke that I didn't get? Have you checked your perscriptions?
I got the impression that that's was all that people cared about after reading freshmeat for several months. Basically all of the stuff was network centric and had little redeaming value. It seemed like people didn't care about the undering quality of the information but that they could shuttle it around in strange and unusual ways. Why not develop an app that uses fractal enhancements to allow for an arbitrary finite resolution enhancement to photos? I saw this on some documentary on fractals but have as of yet not see hide nor hare of in linux. The rearrangement of priorities into things that are useless or not as important (shuttling things around) than the quality of the stuff that is being moved (ideas)
That visual databases are all the rage? Does that imply visual interactive porn archives? Call me cray but something that needs an SGI machine's version of graphics will cost a mint and also necessitate a lower graphics resoluton. What makes this better than say some simple thing like php, or mySQL or the like?
Well I am so glad you find my dissertation length posts intriguing!
The same argument applies to your power line, your phone line, your physical computer hardware, your water pipes, your gas line... Redundant connections solve this problem for those with gobs of $$, I personally deal with it by reading a book:)
Well I think that can be said of even life itself however I have had massive problems with networks in the past. If we measured the ammount of reliability of various services we would see that networks are far less reliable than say water or even electricity.
As someone patiently (*patiently* i swear) waiting for ADSL or Cable connectivity, I can agree with you somewhat on this one. The Good Thing (tm) in my eyes, however, is that these technologies (and others) are becoming more and more prevalent for less and less money. In other words, they're becoming more accessable for your average Joe all the time. As always-on high-speed (maybe even wireless?) connectivity becomes more integrated into our daily lives, we'll (imho) really start to weigh in the benefits of this Information Age we're careening headlong into.
I spend several hours a day on the net connecting via wireless would put me into debtor's prison in no time. Until connections are quite cheap (say maybe the cost of caller id or maybe abotu ~$5/month ) I won't be running to their doors.
That's the one that prompted this whole reply:)
The way you termed it, I agree. I think you were really trying to say that it's better to store information locally than remotely. I *seriously* disagree with that proposition. Sometimes it's much better to store your data remotely, as it allows you to access said data from any network conected point. This enabling of one to many (and many to one, and many to many, and one to one, for that matter) is what makes networking really worth it. Look at slashdot if you need proof...
Storing information remotely requires a large ammount of money. Suppose you were to price various web hosting services and such for the cost of all your personal games/music/term papers/books/etc and put all of it on the web? I don't know of many services that allow for 3 Tb worth of data to be put online do you? I have had personal experience with slashdot not being avaible or timely or even speedy for quite a while. I have to log in twice to post articles to any discussion because there is something wrong with the site's recognition of my login or perhaps my browser (Netscape Communicator 4.5) I have had my files deleated from various accounts. Had shell access suddenly dissapear because the service decided to be anal with their customers. In short networking is for the aristocrats. For example what happens if I want to connect to the internet at 300bps or lower? Why can't the modem at the ISP simply take the connection and allow me to give up some of the possible 53kps to allow me to connect? If they get paid the same what do they care? I know of no real ISP that would do this for anyone.
The starting homepage? Easy enough to change just go into the options and change it to http://www.debian.org *grin*
Just comment that portion of the code out and recompile.
Just ignore the logo. You might even be able to change. You can change the bios image on your computer to be something linux tux.
See above
Ok a little bulky but with the trends being that people buy new computers why should this matter. I have brought this to the attention of the readership many, many, many time about themes of backwards compatability and the need to keep old hardware truely alive but no one seems to care. Seems that people cry wolf when even their high end mainframes are suffering? Is that it?
Secondly I think that it can't be the browser that makes a OS good. If I have an OS that does nothing but insult the user with random insults and BSOD's every 3 minutes but has a great browser that has built in AI can make or break the OS in terms of customer favor.
Exactly how is red hat broken? I haven't had the time or the HD space to play with it. Seems that if people are investing in it it can't be too bad. Can it? Why would a company risk their reputation on something that has a bad time working correctly? And this comes from an operating system that is already a minority in the OS market and one that touts stability? If this is the case they could give linux a bad name.
Well they really don't because network centric technology is only good if you really need said network. Few people actually "need" such access in the course of their daily lives.
No it just helps out the elite of the world who already have a strangle hold on us anyway. I couldn't think of a worse thing than to empower people with treasures they are not prepared to use or use properly.
Mozilla is only useful is you happen to have an IP address. Sendmail is also in the same boat. Why not develop something that could enhance the human condition? Something like AI or a program that can do extremely complex voice association. Maybe something that will have a small set of system resources? Networks and connections of the like that one would use sendmail for are usually bad for several reasons.
1. Failure. If connections on the network go down then you are screwed.
2. Expensive- not many people have money equivelent to that of small African countries and usually cannot afford the ability to do all the fancy stuff. Having a permanent connection is difficult.
3. Unnecessary- it is far better to have something on a machine you can control versus something you cannot.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah that worked real great with the League of Nations didn't it? Shure. If the US dosn't actually have members on any commitee of any significance then the thing usually dosn't fly. This is from history from various reputable sources.
Think about it:
1. Aid in the form of encryption of military orders/terrorism
2. Comfort: They cannot be found out from the everyday life leading to low stress levels and to give them the surety of having en edge.
Actually yes it does using that definition. Althought what damage the government of Portugal or it's army could do against the USA is almost negligable.
*snicker*
Actually that would require a lap top would it not and an access to a remote location with a cliff or possibly the access to a rooftop location wouldn't it? Besides many people use comedy nowadays to illustrate points. Getting the feds with egg on their faces would be a nice touch.
Actually I think I will. My life has taken a rather bad turn for the worse lately. A creative method of making the government kill me could just be about the best form of civil disobedience/suicide that could be done. That would also shame the government and make them look quite bad. Of course slashdot is also alias worthy for various reasons.
I could "advocate" the distribution of pgp to say Iran on a web page under an alias with a dummy account and easily get away with it. Anyone can do anything as long as they do not make themselves easily avaible to the law.
It has it's place. I just would like to use the thing without having to have an intricate knowledge of lisp to do so. I have a couple of personalized entries in my .emacs file but that's about. Is there a really good source to customize the thing for coding purposes say C++?
..mental disorder? If you were to do things without concious thought that can be a sign of some form of mental disorder. I always believe in hard facts and take thing as using thought. I can recite the ABCs quite easily as I learned them a a small child however I must think about the task (small ammount) to form the sounds that allow me to produce the string of letters. While I am sure memorization is possible there must be a more precise term for the actions you could preform in such a manner. For me I rely on my eyes to do what I cannot immediately see and determine.
Who said anything about special powers? Think of zen as the focusing of mental ability. Rather than spreading our capacity over a large range of tasks, our mind becomes focused on a single task (or set of tasks), allowing for a dramatic performance increase (i.e. the mental version of distributed processing).
Ok but why is this suddently so special to people? Because of it's literary merit?
P.S. Why does good ol Taco have such "fond" memories of this man. Seems quite trivial.
What exactly is a "unix keyboard". I used a win98 keyboard for my linux machine at home. I consider it a unix keyboard because the system runs unix.
In english poetry and literature you can find something called a refrain. A literary device that is used to emphasize a point or a basic theme that is moving through the whole piece.
There is not logical notion that human kind has any implied fuzzy quasi-telepathic state wherin they gain "mystical" powers. I think that happiness requires a direct ability to perceive that happiness and translate it into something more comphrensible.
And this has what to do with Red Hat? Do you think RHAT should be investing in sewers? What's your point?
... and therefore Red Hat should not invest in Mozilla or Sendmail? Are you just whining to hear yourself whine?
This was relating to the nature or scale of reliability in regards networks with which Red Hat is taking advantage of with the apps that it is supporting finicially.
Depends on what you're storing.
I agree here
Why would you want to do this? Sheer geek factor? OK, let's assume you have some motive....
It would be the height of lunacy to store all this information on the existing "web hosting" sites. They're not scaled for it. Either you'd want to do it yourself, or you'd want a full data storage site -- not a "web hosting" site, that's for
small amounts of data.
If you were going to do it yourself, you'd need a whole bunch of disk drives (RAID 4 or RAID 5 preferably), and enough computers (or equivalent devices, like NetApp NFS toasters) to control them. You'd probably want some
serious UPSes, or maybe a generator. (Or both.) And most importantly, you'd need a network capable of getting the data from the storage farm to the computers that want to use it. If you want to use it from multiple sites, then you'll
need a WAN, or you could use the Internet (if you have a permanent connection). If you want to use it from anywhere then you'll need to connect it to the Internet. At that point, you have just become a data warehouse. So why not
throw in a few more TB of storage and offer service to others to help recoup your costs?
And what does this have to do with RHAT?
They create the lust for network usage. I have received the impression that the internet is the be all and the end all of applications. With talk of everything including toasters having IPs that means that the internet will be everywhere: at least for the chosen few.
Whine only to the extent that it is true. Having say daily digests of slashdot stories would be a help. Or perhaps have digests of the comments after they are archived so that individuals can persue them. Maybe a mirror that is updated very frequently with a large connection. If people are already caught headlong into the frenzy of network activity why not go all the way with it. Mozilla is a browser and sendmail is a mail transport agent that. This illustrates that networks are inefficient with regard to the way they are used and deployed. If more of the resources would be distributed more evenly then we could all be able to bennifit.
No, it's accessible to even lower middle-class people in the USA. Even some of the poor can get online if they're clever enough to use the local public libraries.
Do you think RHAT should invest in something that will improve the lives of the poor? Well, that's really noble, but it's a lousy business model. The poor don't have much disposable discretionary income to throw at RHAT.
Yes it is noble but if I support a controlling regime and allow for people to constantly be put down am I doing the right thing. I have never been able to run a red hat anything due to shortsightedness on their part and a general lack of organization. You should be able to install from floppies. As far as "the business of America is business" concept I loathe it. People who are technically inclined should not be concerned with business practices and such. It's boring, loathesome, irritating, and non productive for the general welfare of man kind. In 10,000 years people will look back and look at our civilization and not see a bunch of worthless business oriented things they will see great monuments, works of art; testaments of the human ability to survive and live without pain and suffering. I say that groups like Debian are a great deal better since they actually give a crap about my existince.
I don't think I could find a 300 baud modem if I tried. I've got an old 1200 baud at home, but it's broken. I've got a working 2400 baud....
I have a 2400 one as well 300 baud can also be set from software angle. The point is that everything should be backwards compatable with almost everything else. Spending away your existence is a really bad thing.
I don't know of any reason why this wouldn't work, but I must admit I haven't actually tried it (see above), and my theoretical background in analog/digital conversion is a bit lacking. Have you actually tried this? What problems did
you encounter?
Seriously, if you can afford $120 - $240 USD a year (depending on where you live) for a dialup connection, you can afford at least a 14.4kbps modem. And I know a 14.4kbps modem will work with my ISP, because I've done it. (I
still have the 14.4kbps modem, too. I'd estimate its resale value at about $5 USD -- not worth the effort it would take to find a buyer.)
Well from what I have tried I don't think I can. I have tried to connect to various services at a considerably lower speed than what they have as connection speed and it fails. It seems like they want to force you to connect faster. 56k modems seem to be forced down people's collective throats. Shortly after I try to connect to services like this one of two things will happen:
1. They will connect then disconnect me immediately.
2. Not connect after making the initial connection tone and realizing that it must be a 300 or a 2400 or some such.
One single remark to SGI:
Get a clue, or else,
find a company to take you over, before your market cap has become negative.
Any Chapter eleven consultants for a job at SGI?
Making a product open source does not mean that the host company will shrivel up and die.
Network connectivity has really fallen in price... You can get an unlimited dialup connection for 9.95 almost anywhere in the US.
But in theory can I connect at 300 baud? Without backwards compatability we are nothing.
For christ sakes, I have a 3 meg cable modem connection for less than $40/month. That's dirt cheap! They could charge $200/month and I'd still pay! It's like having a T1 to my house...
Until everyone on the block decides to get a cable modem because of the stellar product endosement. Then you have sub modem speeds again for $40/month
What the fuck good are computers anyways? They are prone to failures, expensive, and wholly unnecessary. Why the fuck are they developing anything for computers? Whats the point with that?
They are useful but networks are not.
Why not develope some new flavours of beer instead. Computers are just bad anyways.
I don't know how people can prattle on about beer. Beer and other alchol based beveages are known to cause damage to critical higher reasoning areas of the brain. Plus flavored beer could just as easily be done with a minimum of effort.
Are you seriously arguing that they ought not develop network apps because networks sometimes fail are too expensive for some? Is this a joke that I didn't get? Have you checked your perscriptions?
I got the impression that that's was all that people cared about after reading freshmeat for several months. Basically all of the stuff was network centric and had little redeaming value. It seemed like people didn't care about the undering quality of the information but that they could shuttle it around in strange and unusual ways. Why not develop an app that uses fractal enhancements to allow for an arbitrary finite resolution enhancement to photos? I saw this on some documentary on fractals but have as of yet not see hide nor hare of in linux. The rearrangement of priorities into things that are useless or not as important (shuttling things around) than the quality of the stuff that is being moved (ideas)
That visual databases are all the rage? Does that imply visual interactive porn archives? Call me cray but something that needs an SGI machine's version of graphics will cost a mint and also necessitate a lower graphics resoluton. What makes this better than say some simple thing like php, or mySQL or the like?
Well I am so glad you find my dissertation length posts intriguing!
:)
:)
/etc and put all of it on the web? I don't know of many services that allow for 3 Tb worth of data to be put online do you? I have had personal experience with slashdot not being avaible or timely or even speedy for quite a while. I have to log in twice to post articles to any discussion because there is something wrong with the site's recognition of my login or perhaps my browser (Netscape Communicator 4.5) I have had my files deleated from various accounts. Had shell access suddenly dissapear because the service decided to be anal with their customers. In short networking is for the aristocrats. For example what happens if I want to connect to the internet at 300bps or lower? Why can't the modem at the ISP simply take the connection and allow me to give up some of the possible 53kps to allow me to connect? If they get paid the same what do they care? I know of no real ISP that would do this for anyone.
The same argument applies to your power line, your phone line, your physical computer hardware, your water pipes, your gas line... Redundant connections solve this problem for those with gobs of $$, I personally deal with it by
reading a book
Well I think that can be said of even life itself however I have had massive problems with networks in the past. If we measured the ammount of reliability of various services we would see that networks are far less reliable than say water or even electricity.
As someone patiently (*patiently* i swear) waiting for ADSL or Cable connectivity, I can agree with you somewhat on this one. The Good Thing (tm) in my eyes, however, is that these technologies (and others) are becoming more
and more prevalent for less and less money. In other words, they're becoming more accessable for your average Joe all the time. As always-on high-speed (maybe even wireless?) connectivity becomes more integrated into our daily
lives, we'll (imho) really start to weigh in the benefits of this Information Age we're careening headlong into.
I spend several hours a day on the net connecting via wireless would put me into debtor's prison in no time. Until connections are quite cheap (say maybe the cost of caller id or maybe abotu ~$5/month ) I won't be running to their doors.
That's the one that prompted this whole reply
The way you termed it, I agree. I think you were really trying to say that it's better to store information locally than remotely. I *seriously* disagree with that proposition. Sometimes it's much better to store your data remotely, as it
allows you to access said data from any network conected point. This enabling of one to many (and many to one, and many to many, and one to one, for that matter) is what makes networking really worth it. Look at slashdot if you
need proof...
Storing information remotely requires a large ammount of money. Suppose you were to price various web hosting services and such for the cost of all your personal games/music/term papers/books
you could just choose to delete the instant messenger
The starting homepage? Easy enough to change just go into the options and change it to
http://www.debian.org *grin*
Just comment that portion of the code out and recompile.
Just ignore the logo. You might even be able to change. You can change the bios image on your computer to be something linux tux.
See above
Ok a little bulky but with the trends being that people buy new computers why should this matter. I have brought this to the attention of the readership many, many, many time about themes of backwards compatability and the need to keep old hardware truely alive but no one seems to care. Seems that people cry wolf when even their high end mainframes are suffering? Is that it?
No.
Secondly I think that it can't be the browser that makes a OS good. If I have an OS that does nothing but insult the user with random insults and BSOD's every 3 minutes but has a great browser that has built in AI can make or break the OS in terms of customer favor.
Exactly how is red hat broken? I haven't had the time or the HD space to play with it. Seems that if people are investing in it it can't be too bad. Can it? Why would a company risk their reputation on something that has a bad time working correctly? And this comes from an operating system that is already a minority in the OS market and one that touts stability? If this is the case they could give linux a bad name.
Well they really don't because network centric technology is only good if you really need said network. Few people actually "need" such access in the course of their daily lives.
No it just helps out the elite of the world who already have a strangle hold on us anyway. I couldn't think of a worse thing than to empower people with treasures they are not prepared to use or use properly.
Actually it hasn't fallen yet my friend.
Mozilla is only useful is you happen to have an IP address. Sendmail is also in the same boat. Why not develop something that could enhance the human condition? Something like AI or a program that can do extremely complex voice association. Maybe something that will have a small set of system resources? Networks and connections of the like that one would use sendmail for are usually bad for several reasons.
1. Failure. If connections on the network go down then you are screwed.
2. Expensive- not many people have money equivelent to that of small African countries and usually cannot afford the ability to do all the fancy stuff. Having a permanent connection is difficult.
3. Unnecessary- it is far better to have something on a machine you can control versus something you cannot.