Wow. I feel old. I have no doubt that within a decade, it will be hard to even remember what life was like before the ubiquitous "http://...". It will be like trying to imagine life without telephones. Sure, people will read about it, but they won't really "get" it. Even if they grew up "pre-web".
I remember growing up without a television and also without a computer til I was in the 10th grade. Life was definately simpler. Although some of my fondest memories were of watching cartoons on my little black and white television at 6am.
I think that people can get it but just some of the more interesting apects will be hard to convey.
This sounds like the Condor system at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. I have only read a little about it but as I understand, it works as you describe. Check out their homepage at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/condor.
Thanks for the link. Just a quick question does this solely rely on fortran? I am not much of a fortran programmer (read can't even do a Hello, World thing).
What next? IP Tunning over Snail Mail! Why? Because you can! All you need: a couple of scanners, Linux, and waaay too much time on your hands. Unfortunately, ping latencies could reach up to a week. And Quake would be barely playable.:)
Clear back in the 1890's chess by mail was a reality. What would be interesting would be to have say an interavtive game with extremely good graphics to be done via say e-mail. You have a machine that sends the data over e-mail and your client parses it. Turn based games work on this principle already.
That's nothing on some of the wonderful technolgies that await us. With the advent of digital television, geeks in North-west England are puting the finishing touches to their new project... Television over Telnet!
Yes folks, you heard it right. Pictures broadcast over the airwaves, recaptured, changed to ASCII, subtitles added and broadcast over a telnet connection from linux box.... telnetevision will take the world by storm!
And all so that people needn't leave the public clusters to see the latest edition of Futurama...
What other wonders does the future have in store? Who knows, but with telnetevision, who will care? Not I!
This is not a bad thing nor is it something that is especially evil or backward. Usually in restrictive environments the brute and unsophisticated methods are very often times the ones that are necessary.
Actually this is possible. All you have to have is large ammounts of disk space or a really fast computer. Essentially you can have a connection to a machine with a tv tuner card. Then have an application like bttv or some other linux app do screen shots of each frame of the thing in question. Then convert the files to pnm (portable anymap) and then convert the resulting files to ascii with aview. Then you could theoretically take the output and cat all the files together or have a cat filename.001 filename.002 and so on with a clear call after each frame.
Bamo instant television over telnet. This medium would work best over delayed broadcast type medium. To get good output you would have to use a small font on the terminal. I use gnome-terminal at a value of Clean Medium at 6 pt to view ascii art creations and it works great.
That TCP/IP over email tunnel sounds quite like the problems space stations and probes have.Often it will take many hours to get a reply back if the probe is far away. NASA has spent lots of research money trying to figure out ways to get past this by allowing the probes to do their work automatically. But supporting something like TCP/IP will always be impossible, TCP connections have problems on *any* high latency connection, even a high-speed satelite connection. To combat this both sides use large send and receive buffers to keep bandwidth up, that's what the Allow Large Windows Linux kernel option is for.
Perhaps a windows client? This would be a nice little tool where things like content filtering in Schools and libraries is often the norm.
How do these Pokemon characters go to the bathroom? And what inhumane things has Green Monkey done to his Pokemon. Posing nude with their butts bared to the world, this must be illegal, somehow.
Actually Nintendo created the games in question that he derived the page from. So technically from the beginning Nintendo has been warping our children's minds with those evil Pokemon characters (I think they developed this out of an idea from a gay Jamacian porn movie).
If you mean distributed computing or spreading a task among multiple computers that are linked together, you probably mean Beowulf.
No I mean having say an application that could request data from a server and do some little thing. Now take that little chore and replicate thousands of clients that could transparently work on all of the machines on a network. Everyone from the secretary to the CEO of the company could have one of these little things on their desktop. Now say I want to figure out something really, very complex. How about how many times people have complained about product XYZ and how that correlated to the stock prices over the last 50 years. Now that data could be done on some mainframe with a high rate of failure or requiring special attention. However if you distribute the task to say 30,000 clients to work on in their spare time I would dare say that an answer could be easily found within the hour. All the main server or set of upper level area servers would have to do is just run the client solve their portion of the problem and then return the result back to the server they are responsible for and just correlate the final information.
Actually, I think only fucking morons like you would say "So far, so good!" if you jumped from the 30th story building.
Actually isn't it really meaningless what would be said? Considering that you are going to go splat anyway?
What I really think is that you would have to have hard evidence that unix was in fact dieing. You would also have to make an intellectual leap and define that exact moment that unix "jumped" and started doing something stupid that was largely irreversable and untreatable. The analogy is flawed and crappy.
You could say that if running unix only on big powerful servers is dead. However something called linux came along and the definition of a "server" converged largely with what people now use for their standard computing tasks. I would wager a bet that if your machine is really, really, really, good at playing the latest computer games then you are a good choice to be a server for something relatively normal.
I remember when Unix was a terminal-based OS. X-Windows and the Athena project seemed like a totally new world and a new way of doing things. Sure, it was still Unix, but it wasn't the same Unix.
Although I am sure that someone did something with that new fangled thing called curses. With curses and the like you can create a windowing system on a unix environment quite easily. This was a natural outgrowth of programming.
GNU has likewise changed what was Unix, and, despite it's acronymic denial, has become Unix. But not the Unix from before.
Other than costing a lot and having some little quirks that are anonying to people who are using linux now how is there a terrible difference?
The next Unix will not be today's Unix. But it will be Unix!
The unix that I use at home for the most basic things probably has not changed terribly from what a person in earlier times thought of. Although I do rely on various graphical input methods I could say take the base install for debian and have it pass as unix. True there are some extra bells and whistles but essentially they remain the same.
Of course not. People have been predicting the death of Unix almost as long as they've been predicting the death of mainfraimes. And a year of so ago, IBM released a mainframe (don't remember the model) which became the best selling mainframe ever in initial 6 month sales.
The stats? I would be interested in which one this is, how many people bought it, price, etc.
I predict that 20 years from now, we'll still be hearing how Unix is dying and almost extinct, prolly by the same people who will still be saying the same thing about mainframes.
I really had an interesting talk with one of my professors a couple of days ago and pretty much found that all the major universities are using Windows type development models for their CS programs. Essentially I was faced with a rather unpleaseant concept. Basically I could be forced into buying a new machine just to do standard coding.
What people are saying is that as a percentage of people who are using the medium in which the thing is in that it is decreasing in share because more and more people are entering the fray. I am sure that if you were to look at all the computers that are using unix the figure has gone down from the best of times for unix. You can also say that for mainframes. Generally people do what is best for them and choices start splintering.
There's no reason to "convert" most of our existing Internet/networking infrastructure to anything else in the forseeable future. I agree with the prediction that things will end up moving more towards centralized computer resources, and lesser-equipped but ubiquitous terminals to access those resources, but Unix will still be there in some fashion.
I don't see the likelyhood of this. All you really have to do is increase the ability for the client to work properly and increase it's capabalities. For somethings (say perhaps tactical nuclear weapons simulations) you may need mainframes however this is not the norm nor very supportable. Applications are mostly writen for PC type platforms considering how much Microsoft has spent convincing people of this.
Who's to say Unix won't be the OS that drives the appliances?
But appliances are just so.. well boring. What would be nice is to have a large mainframe that you could optionally use and use for massive backups of the target machine (say copy the entire image of the client in case of power failure and such) and allow the client to have responsibilities.
Personally I don't want to have some rather fiendish god controlling my computing resources at one particular point. If someone would write an application API that would work like distributed.net and allow for say a complex process to be broken down into many smaller parts and work on any number of client machines that could be increased and decreased at will would be much better. Add into this a possibility to have "relay points" where the data could be copied for a particular portion of the network in case some machine failed or sent corrupt data.
This experimental one has a pretty good search engine interface:
http://search.uspto.gov/resp/alpha.html
[Sacrasm] Wow dude I never really new that the USPTO cared that much about Don Knotts that they would replace their "experimental" patent search engine with the "fameous" Don Knotts promotional page[/Sarcasm]
I am wondering if there is a nice database for all patents so if you are bored to tears you can just start reading from 1 to 6,000,000+ or something like that?
Generally can a patent be contested in some manner? Is there a standard appeals process for unfair patents?
You shouldn't but that dosn't mean that you can't learn something.
MS can consider you a source of revenue, or a pawn in their strategy for world domination for the product they are pushing this week.
They may but you can gain information and still use it to your advantage. Not many sysadmins now can run an all non-MS shop. As a general rule you need to know that everyone does and try to have them all play nice.
Computer professionals shouldn't tie themselves to proprietary protocols.
The letter claims that MCSEs are the "best trained networking professionals on the planet". But they are using ASP to serve simple text pages. Now THAT'S funny.
Interestingly I have seen this many, many, many times. I think (now I am going out on a limb here so please inform me) but I think that it could possibly, maybe, be used for future inclusion of dynamic media or additions on the fly. Or perhaps a control mechanism that could also be implimented (to ward off the slashdot effect).
Don't you even know what a firewall is Jon? You have a lot of gall to post articles on/. when you appear to know so little about computers.
I think Mr. Katz was employing a literary device called a methphor like the following example:
Microsoft has as of late created a stronghold against competition in the desktop computing sector.
Now this little sentence uses the word stronghold. Now does that literally mean that microsoft has captured desktop computing and put it in some kind of castle to languish? No it's just refering to an idea.
You really cannot do this with the current TCP/IP
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I have looked into various programs that attempt to correlate geographic location and IP and generally this fails. It only really works when you can parse the details (if provided by the registar) of the whois command for that particular IP. All you have to do to circumvent this idea is not to post your information.
it does _not_ need to be assessed to be of any value a centralized repository of information is worthwhile in its own right personally, i think it would be worse if a grading system were introduced
If it's goal is to act as a replacement for an ivy league college it needs to be accessed.
Yes you are correct if all you judge something on is what it can do this thing is of worth by creating good information however that in and of itself does nothing to further the stated aim the article implies.
There's also WAY more school here that you can get on a physical campus in fixed boring classes with your physical body. With something like this, it might be possible to test the limits of the humand mind by opening up a great deal of classes and timeshare between what interests the fancy at the moment. The colleges I remember like to control information and punish those who don't abide strictly by thier program.
I think that my "human limits" have already been sufficiently tested thank you very much. The problem you have is you really haven't hit the wall yet. Just keep taking classes and eventually you will find one that you simply can't handle at all. Also colleges have what are unaffectionally called "weed out" classes. Essentially it keeps things nice and elite to prevent outsiders leaking their precious information or "corrupting" their dicipline.
OK... Looks like this is the first post. Yippee! Hows this going to work then? For this to be of any value peoples work will have to be assessed. Imagine hanving to mark 100 million (a figure from the text) essays on "The rise and fall of Socialism" or a stats paper. Hackers could have a ball bumping up their grades too. Have I got the wrong impression? I think for a University to be any use to anyone then assessment of peoples work will be essential.
On a related note what will the degree be worth to an employeer coming from the net? I mean it's all well an good getting a Phd from such a university however if people think it came from a cereal box you aren't going to be able to use it effectively.
They said it was still free so...
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I am wondering if there was some brave soul who has a copy of the free body who would be willing to either pst or e-mail me a copy, link? This actually sounds really cool considering that it's so cheap and also on the net so that means that it's entirely easier to quote save or e-mail parts to people for various reasons, far better than having to do what gutenberg has to do and essentially rip books apart and then scan them in with OCR. What format does this use? PDF? PS? text? does it allow for multple versions for different platforms? seems like the site selling it dosn't appear to have much more info than you can enter an e-mail address and buy a copy.
I propose vigilante justice. If someone spams, give the bastard an old-fashioned kneecapping. If they persist, shoot'em. There's no justice like mob justice.
Yeah and I assume that the person will just stand and take it right? What is so wrong with say giving you an advertisement on something that may in truth be a reputable product so that you might just buy it. There are directed mailings that work the same way. Mob justice will only get you the ire of the people doing such things.
What would happen next would be that the company would need to do other things to make up for the lost data that they wanted. Perhaps making a multi TB database on your and tracking your every move. If I have to choose from having a company have my name and getting junk mail I will choose the later option.
Why people would think of a law prohibiting spam is really beyond me. I get junk mail at home that I can ignore and I have a little button on my heyboard that corresponds to a function known as a "delete message" function that really works wonders.
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Wow. I feel old. I have no doubt that within a decade, it will be hard to even remember what life was like before the ubiquitous "http://...". It will be like trying to imagine life without telephones. Sure, people will read about it, but
they won't really "get" it. Even if they grew up "pre-web".
I remember growing up without a television and also without a computer til I was in the 10th grade. Life was definately simpler. Although some of my fondest memories were of watching cartoons on my little black and white television at 6am.
I think that people can get it but just some of the more interesting apects will be hard to convey.
This sounds like the Condor system at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. I have only read a little about it but as I understand, it works as you describe. Check out their homepage at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/condor.
Thanks for the link. Just a quick question does this solely rely on fortran? I am not much of a fortran programmer (read can't even do a Hello, World thing).
unfortunatly e-mail is usually (in my experience) monitored as well.
pgp?
What next? IP Tunning over Snail Mail! Why? Because you can! All you need: a couple of scanners, Linux, and waaay too much time on your hands. Unfortunately, ping latencies could reach up to a week. And Quake would be :)
barely playable.
Clear back in the 1890's chess by mail was a reality. What would be interesting would be to have say an interavtive game with extremely good graphics to be done via say e-mail. You have a machine that sends the data over e-mail and your client parses it. Turn based games work on this principle already.
That's nothing on some of the wonderful technolgies that await us. With the advent of digital television, geeks in North-west England are puting the finishing touches to their new project... Television over Telnet!
Yes folks, you heard it right. Pictures broadcast over the airwaves, recaptured, changed to ASCII, subtitles added and broadcast over a telnet connection from linux box.... telnetevision will take the world by storm!
And all so that people needn't leave the public clusters to see the latest edition of Futurama...
What other wonders does the future have in store? Who knows, but with telnetevision, who will care? Not I!
This is not a bad thing nor is it something that is especially evil or backward. Usually in restrictive environments the brute and unsophisticated methods are very often times the ones that are necessary.
Actually this is possible. All you have to have is large ammounts of disk space or a really fast computer. Essentially you can have a connection to a machine with a tv tuner card. Then have an application like bttv or some other linux app do screen shots of each frame of the thing in question. Then convert the files to pnm (portable anymap) and then convert the resulting files to ascii with aview. Then you could theoretically take the output and cat all the files together or have a cat filename.001 filename.002 and so on with a clear call after each frame.
Bamo instant television over telnet. This medium would work best over delayed broadcast type medium. To get good output you would have to use a small font on the terminal. I use gnome-terminal at a value of Clean Medium at 6 pt to view ascii art creations and it works great.
That TCP/IP over email tunnel sounds quite like the problems space stations and probes have.Often it will take many hours to get a reply back if the probe is far away. NASA has spent lots of research money trying to figure out ways
to get past this by allowing the probes to do their work automatically. But supporting something like TCP/IP will always be impossible, TCP connections have problems on *any* high latency connection, even a high-speed satelite
connection. To combat this both sides use large send and receive buffers to keep bandwidth up, that's what the Allow Large Windows Linux kernel option is for.
Perhaps a windows client? This would be a nice little tool where things like content filtering in Schools and libraries is often the norm.
How do these Pokemon characters go to the bathroom? And what inhumane things has Green Monkey done to his Pokemon. Posing nude with their butts bared to the world, this must be illegal, somehow.
Actually Nintendo created the games in question that he derived the page from. So technically from the beginning Nintendo has been warping our children's minds with those evil Pokemon characters (I think they developed this out of an idea from a gay Jamacian porn movie).
If you mean distributed computing or spreading a task among multiple computers that are linked together, you probably mean Beowulf.
No I mean having say an application that could request data from a server and do some little thing. Now take that little chore and replicate thousands of clients that could transparently work on all of the machines on a network. Everyone from the secretary to the CEO of the company could have one of these little things on their desktop. Now say I want to figure out something really, very complex. How about how many times people have complained about product XYZ and how that correlated to the stock prices over the last 50 years. Now that data could be done on some mainframe with a high rate of failure or requiring special attention. However if you distribute the task to say 30,000 clients to work on in their spare time I would dare say that an answer could be easily found within the hour. All the main server or set of upper level area servers would have to do is just run the client solve their portion of the problem and then return the result back to the server they are responsible for and just correlate the final information.
Actually, I think only fucking morons like you would say "So far, so good!" if you jumped from the 30th story building.
Actually isn't it really meaningless what would be said? Considering that you are going to go splat anyway?
What I really think is that you would have to have hard evidence that unix was in fact dieing. You would also have to make an intellectual leap and define that exact moment that unix "jumped" and started doing something stupid that was largely irreversable and untreatable. The analogy is flawed and crappy.
You could say that if running unix only on big powerful servers is dead. However something called linux came along and the definition of a "server" converged largely with what people now use for their standard computing tasks. I would wager a bet that if your machine is really, really, really, good at playing the latest computer games then you are a good choice to be a server for something relatively normal.
I remember when Unix was a terminal-based OS. X-Windows and the Athena project seemed like a totally new world and a new way of doing things. Sure, it was still Unix, but it wasn't the same Unix.
Although I am sure that someone did something with that new fangled thing called curses. With curses and the like you can create a windowing system on a unix environment quite easily. This was a natural outgrowth of programming.
GNU has likewise changed what was Unix, and, despite it's acronymic denial, has become Unix. But not the Unix from before.
Other than costing a lot and having some little quirks that are anonying to people who are using linux now how is there a terrible difference?
The next Unix will not be today's Unix. But it will be Unix!
The unix that I use at home for the most basic things probably has not changed terribly from what a person in earlier times thought of. Although I do rely on various graphical input methods I could say take the base install for debian and have it pass as unix. True there are some extra bells and whistles but essentially they remain the same.
Of course not. People have been predicting the death of Unix almost as long as they've been predicting the death of mainfraimes. And a year of so ago, IBM released a mainframe (don't remember the model) which became the best
selling mainframe ever in initial 6 month sales.
The stats? I would be interested in which one this is, how many people bought it, price, etc.
I predict that 20 years from now, we'll still be hearing how Unix is dying and almost extinct, prolly by the same people who will still be saying the same thing about mainframes.
I really had an interesting talk with one of my professors a couple of days ago and pretty much found that all the major universities are using Windows type development models for their CS programs. Essentially I was faced with a rather unpleaseant concept. Basically I could be forced into buying a new machine just to do standard coding.
What people are saying is that as a percentage of people who are using the medium in which the thing is in that it is decreasing in share because more and more people are entering the fray. I am sure that if you were to look at all the computers that are using unix the figure has gone down from the best of times for unix. You can also say that for mainframes. Generally people do what is best for them and choices start splintering.
There's no reason to "convert" most of our existing Internet/networking infrastructure to anything else in the forseeable future. I agree with the prediction that things will end up moving more towards centralized computer resources,
and lesser-equipped but ubiquitous terminals to access those resources, but Unix will still be there in some fashion.
I don't see the likelyhood of this. All you really have to do is increase the ability for the client to work properly and increase it's capabalities. For somethings (say perhaps tactical nuclear weapons simulations) you may need mainframes however this is not the norm nor very supportable. Applications are mostly writen for PC type platforms considering how much Microsoft has spent convincing people of this.
Who's to say Unix won't be the OS that drives the appliances?
But appliances are just so.. well boring. What would be nice is to have a large mainframe that you could optionally use and use for massive backups of the target machine (say copy the entire image of the client in case of power failure and such) and allow the client to have responsibilities.
Personally I don't want to have some rather fiendish god controlling my computing resources at one particular point. If someone would write an application API that would work like distributed.net and allow for say a complex process to be broken down into many smaller parts and work on any number of client machines that could be increased and decreased at will would be much better. Add into this a possibility to have "relay points" where the data could be copied for a particular portion of the network in case some machine failed or sent corrupt data.
This experimental one has a pretty good search engine interface:
http://search.uspto.gov/resp/alpha.html
[Sacrasm] Wow dude I never really new that the USPTO cared that much about Don Knotts that they would replace their "experimental" patent search engine with the "fameous" Don Knotts promotional page[/Sarcasm]
I am wondering if there is a nice database for all patents so if you are bored to tears you can just start reading from 1 to 6,000,000+ or something like that?
Generally can a patent be contested in some manner? Is there a standard appeals process for unfair patents?
..your career!
You shouldn't but that dosn't mean that you can't learn something.
MS can consider you a source of revenue, or a pawn in their strategy for world domination for the product they are pushing this week.
They may but you can gain information and still use it to your advantage. Not many sysadmins now can run an all non-MS shop. As a general rule you need to know that everyone does and try to have them all play nice.
Computer professionals shouldn't tie themselves to proprietary protocols.
I would agre however you shouldn't ignore them.
The letter claims that MCSEs are the "best trained networking professionals on the planet". But they are using ASP to serve simple text pages. Now THAT'S funny.
Interestingly I have seen this many, many, many times. I think (now I am going out on a limb here so please inform me) but I think that it could possibly, maybe, be used for future inclusion of dynamic media or additions on the fly. Or perhaps a control mechanism that could also be implimented (to ward off the slashdot effect).
These are my theories and may be incorrect.
sorry that should metaphor :)
Don't you even know what a firewall is Jon? You have a lot of gall to post articles on /. when you appear to know so little about computers.
I think Mr. Katz was employing a literary device called a methphor like the following example:
Microsoft has as of late created a stronghold against competition in the desktop computing sector.
Now this little sentence uses the word stronghold. Now does that literally mean that microsoft has captured desktop computing and put it in some kind of castle to languish? No it's just refering to an idea.
I have looked into various programs that attempt to correlate geographic location and IP and generally this fails. It only really works when you can parse the details (if provided by the registar) of the whois command for that particular IP. All you have to do to circumvent this idea is not to post your information.
it does _not_ need to be assessed to be of any value
a centralized repository of information is worthwhile in its own right
personally, i think it would be worse if a grading system were introduced
If it's goal is to act as a replacement for an ivy league college it needs to be accessed.
Yes you are correct if all you judge something on is what it can do this thing is of worth by creating good information however that in and of itself does nothing to further the stated aim the article implies.
There's also WAY more school here that you can get on a physical campus in fixed boring classes with your physical body. With something like this, it might be possible to test the limits of the humand mind by opening up a great
deal of classes and timeshare between what interests the fancy at the moment. The colleges I remember like to control information and punish those who don't abide strictly by thier program.
I think that my "human limits" have already been sufficiently tested thank you very much. The problem you have is you really haven't hit the wall yet. Just keep taking classes and eventually you will find one that you simply can't handle at all. Also colleges have what are unaffectionally called "weed out" classes. Essentially it keeps things nice and elite to prevent outsiders leaking their precious information or "corrupting" their dicipline.
OK... Looks like this is the first post. Yippee! Hows this going to work then? For this to be of any value peoples work will have to be assessed. Imagine hanving to mark 100 million (a figure from the text) essays on "The rise and
fall of Socialism" or a stats paper. Hackers could have a ball bumping up their grades too. Have I got the wrong impression? I think for a University to be any use to anyone then assessment of peoples work will be essential.
On a related note what will the degree be worth to an employeer coming from the net? I mean it's all well an good getting a Phd from such a university however if people think it came from a cereal box you aren't going to be able to use it effectively.
I am wondering if there was some brave soul who has a copy of the free body who would be willing to either pst or e-mail me a copy, link?
This actually sounds really cool considering that it's so cheap and also on the net so that means that it's entirely easier to quote save or e-mail parts to people for various reasons, far better than having to do what gutenberg has to do and essentially rip books apart and then scan them in with OCR.
What format does this use? PDF? PS? text? does it allow for multple versions for different platforms? seems like the site selling it dosn't appear to have much more info than you can enter an e-mail address and buy a copy.
I propose vigilante justice. If someone spams, give the bastard an old-fashioned kneecapping. If they persist, shoot'em. There's no justice like mob justice.
Yeah and I assume that the person will just stand and take it right? What is so wrong with say giving you an advertisement on something that may in truth be a reputable product so that you might just buy it. There are directed mailings that work the same way. Mob justice will only get you the ire of the people doing such things.
What would happen next would be that the company would need to do other things to make up for the lost data that they wanted. Perhaps making a multi TB database on your and tracking your every move. If I have to choose from having a company have my name and getting junk mail I will choose the later option.
Why people would think of a law prohibiting spam is really beyond me. I get junk mail at home that I can ignore and I have a little button on my heyboard that corresponds to a function known as a "delete message" function that really works wonders.