Blooming nonsense. The naturally naive outpourings of a self-hating Indian as usual:
The Indian Constitution protects the Fundamental rights of people far more zealously than the US does. Freedom of Speech is certainly important. However, in a developing country with large volume of poor and exploitable people, the fundamental rights that the Constitution of India does guarantee ie:
1.Right to equality 2.Right to freedom 3.Right against exploitation 4.Right to freedom of religion 5.Cultural and educational rights 6.Right to constitutional remedies
Carry precedence in our social context. I'm no big fan of Babasaheb Ambedkar (he was quite the nutcase in other areas), but he knew what he was doing when he wrote the constitution.Have you even read the bloody thing, or are you just mouthing off nonsense?
Oh, and Article 19 Protection of certain rights regarding freedom of speech, etc. (1) All citizens shall have the right - (a) to freedom of speech and expression; (b) to assemble peaceably and without arms; (c) to form associations or unions; (d) to move freely throughout the territory of India; (e) to reside and settle in any part of the territory of India; and (f) to practice any profession, or to carry on any occupation, trade or business.
Does guarantee freedom of speech. It's just not as high up on the list as the right not to be starved to death, is all (we've still got a loong way to go in that area though).
The only significant thing that the US constitution guarantees that the Indian Constitution does not is the right to bear arms (legal stuff, like the right not to incriminate yourself, are contained in the Indian penal code), and that IS due to historical reasons. It just doesn't figure too highly in our sociopolitical superstructure, and can easily be abused by certain people called "Naxalites" (remember those fine thugrats?).
Democracy is a great thing, and is implementable everywhere, but the specifics must vary with region/culture. You cannot fit the square peg of the US constitution into the round hole of India. You need a round peg. I wouldn't expect that a developed and wealthy nation like the United States would need a special Constitutional amendment like "Right against exploitation", sine that can be covered in the legal system.
Sorry. Still not buying it. The IE article says nothing about keystroke loggers. It talks about unsafe email attachments. and trojan horse/keystroke loggers, a wholly different topic.
This looks more like a hoax now than ever.
For those who don't know, "Mid-Day" is basically Mumbai's version of the National Enquirer, rants on about conspiracy theories and local celebrity gossip, hardly a reliable source. All the blog entries about this are based on this one mid-day article.
Of course, it could mean that I'm not searching correctly. I'd appreciate it if somebody posted any (and I mean any) information from any mainstream media outlet (and not dubious blogs). Until then, I remain skeptical and maintain that this is probably a hoax circulated by some sub-par journalist as a means to get fame, and the "Outsource victims" moaning on slashdot lapped it up swiftly, of course...
Keep in mind that the Indian media is dangerously moonbatty and very anti-establishment (borderline third-world paranoid anarchist actually). Therefore if this actually happened then the media would pounce upon it like a pack of hungry wolves. They haven't... yet.
Is it common knowledge in China how much the government restricts freedom It's fairly common knowledge among expats. A co-student in my Uni is the son of Chinese expatriate (the fellow came across the Pacific in a tugboat, no less) and he's quite aware of the brutalities of the PRC communists. Presumably they found out inside the PRC itself.
Dissent is alive, though fiercely opposed by the Beijing politburo.
PRC apologists here on slashdot (or anywhere) should talk to more geeks in the Chinese diaspora. They use google.tw more than google.cn for a reason.
What would you suggest? Economic sanctions? Open war? Economic Sanctions would be a good start, but no one wants to part with his "Made in China" cellphone. It's so disgusting I could retch. Tibetans are being wiped out systematically here. It's not just tyranny or oppression, it's annihilation.
If the people of Tibet really want to be free, they should stand up for their right to self-determination, or at least representation in government. That's a bit difficult to do when a totalitarian, oppressive and genocidal regime ties them to chairs and yanks out their nails with pliers until they beg for death...... and hypocrites like some slashdotters act as apologists for said regime with bogus arguments like "America is just as bad" (it's not; US government is not conducting planned genocides, unlike Communist China government).
show me one country full of highly educated people that are in poverty Easily.
1. Sri Lanka. 91% literacy rate. Abysmally high poverty and an economy that's in the shitter thanks to the little Sinhala-Tamil "race war" of theirs
2. Palestine. Most Palestinians are actually very well educated, but, well, you read the papers, right?
Not my intent to disparage any country or culture, mind you. My point is that education is certainly necessary to remove poverty, but it is far from sufficient.
they have nothing to do with your "batshit crazy Islamist". They don't give a rat's ass about "Islamist" except to the point of maintaining their positions Oh, really? Then who started the Wahabbi movement in Saudi Arabia, farishtas (fairies)?? Islamism or Islamic Fundamentalism itself is as you describe it, essentially a smokescreen to maintain the positions of power occupied by the Islamist leaders in their societies.
And for the love of God, they are not called Sheikhs. They are princes, princesses and company. Stop watching cheap movies. ..IE Saudi clan nobility ie mostly Sheikhs (and Sayyids and Siddiquis etc.)
I do happen to have a fair amount of knowledge on this topic, well beyond "cheap Hollywood movies" (which are generally pro-Saudi need I remind you)
That probably has more to do with a combination of proximity to the US border, coupled with social inequalities wrt race in Mexico (notice that the illegal immigrants who jump the fence to the US are generally darker in skin-tone to the more well-off caucasoids in Mexico). There is obviously severe social and economic problems with the country, but not as bad as the others in the region, where rampant poverty, lack of education and lack of opportunity gives rise to socialist terrorism from the likes of Castro,Chavez and Guevara (all unpopular characters in Mexico, btw).
What's more, trying to connect all that to one tycoon like Slim requires quite a stretch of the imagination, barring any concrete proof. Saudi Arabia is considerably better off than Mexico economically , but the wealth distribution inequality problem is far far worse than in Mexico. Saudi Arabia is basically a small cabal of ultra-uber-rich and batshit crazy Islamist Arab Oil Sheikhs who control almost ALL the wealth of Saudi Arabia, a good deal more than 7 percent(not to mention that they hold the entire civilized world a hostage to their insanity using their oil), and the rest of the country is dirt poor, with no functioning or statistically significant middle class. In contrast, Mexico HAS a reasonably well-educated (for a third world country, anyways) urban middle class. YOU may not know of them because they don't jump the borders, but they're there nonetheless.
You're exaggerating.While Mexico is certainly a developing country with large poverty problems, it's significantly better off both politically and economically compared to most other developing countries, especially elsewhere in Latin America Just look at nearby Haiti. What about Honduras & El-Salvador, both countries wrecked by nearly continuous warfare for decades? Compared to that, Mexico is a paradise (in fact, I believe that Mexico suffers from an illegal immigration problem with fence-jumpers from Guatemala, ironically...).
I spent a week in Mexico City in the early nineties and saw what the citizens lamented (and American tourists condemned) as "slums". They were bad, but not nearly as bad as other slums that I have seen elsewhere in the developing world (so-called "slums" in Mexico City have electricity and running water).
I am wondering how many terrorists "flew" to India! A surprisingly large number actually.I mentioned a particular terrorist group Lashkar-e-Toiba for a reason. They have extensive involvement in Chechnya and other parts of Central Asia and they fly back and forth.
Your hatred for "anything/anyone" who does not look/speak like you is very interesting. Really? How do you know what I look like or speak like? Presumably you're trying to smear me as some sort of "bigot" where all I see is the typical leftist tripe , leftist bigotry and tinfoil hat conspiracist paranoia of slashdot modded up as "Insightful".No, sir. I hate nobody. I do, however, love my life, and do not wish to have it vaporized in a bomb blast.
Right on! All those tanks and fighter-bombers sure have brought peace and happiness to Kashmir! Maybe if they didn't strap bombs to their own babies and hurled them at people, tried to establish Sharia law in the whole region, and ethnically cleanse Kashmir of all non-Muslim minorities this wouldn't have been necessary. It's just like the levant basically. Islamists work to force democracies to withdraw, democracies protect their citizens, leftists blame it all on the democracies...
And read about how the Indian Army crushed the Islamist insurgency in Hyderabad in 5 days after independence After that, not one peep out of the Muslims, ever. It's become so impossible to rally the Hyderabadi Muslims into radicalism now that the terrorists are actually bombing mosques there nowadays.Once, an Islamist nut tried to spread anti-Hindu hatred in a madrassa in Hyderabad. The Muslims got mad at him and threw him out.
Draconian measures work, when mediated by necessity against an enemy that lives to spread hate and death work. Simple. Live with it, or go live in the mountains of the North Western Frontier Provinces of Pakistan and see what they'll do to you there...
Dude, I don't know when you arrived in the United States or why your experience in particular was this bad, but this is certainly not universally the case unlike the leftie fearmongers would like you to believe.
I too happen to be a physics student from India studying in Texas. I came in through San Fransisco but a few months after 9/11, when paranoia was supposedly at an all time high. Everybody told me to be wary of being strip-searched, stand in long queues, get "teh eeevil eye from teh nasty-nasty Yanks" (I grew up among Communists, what to do?) etc.etc. Nothing even remotely that bad occurred for me. There were no long lines at all (San Frisco airport had way more INS kiosks than necessary) and I sailed through just fine. Maybe if your name was Ahmed instead of Iyer you'd get some extra scrutiny, can't say I blame 'em. The INS officials were smooth, efficient and professional. The INS fellow who processed me even knew a couple of Hindi phrases which he tried to impress me with. Sure they took my fingerprints and shit, but why is that such a big issue unless you're some backwoods militant in Alabama hidin' from "da man" or some gun-toting Talib - Mujahid? If you want to live in any civilized society there has to be some way of identifying you for beaureaucratic purposes at least. Admittedly, this "ten digital fingerprints" is pushing the boundaries of privacy rights. However, I'm confident that there is sufficient political activism in this country to address this problem. That's what it's all about you know, checks and balances. This too shall pass.
Overall, I was very impressed with their efficiency and professionalism.Despite all the irrational and virulent anti-American bigotry and racism coming from my fellow passengers (many of whom were Europeans and middle-easterners, so no surprise there...), they were treated very politely (but firmly) by the immigration officials.
If only they implemented security measures like this in INDIAN airports (thanks for repealing POTA, moonbats) we wouldn't have to deal with thousands of Lashkar-e-Toiba Fidayeen loons running around the country "spreading the Jihad against the Kuffar".
Correct me if my facts are off, but I believe that the term is "Antisemitism" not "Anti-Semitism". The word is not an antonym of "Semitism" since there is no such thing as "Semitism" (or a "Semitic people" or a "Semitic race") as such. "Semitic" refers to a family of languages, and, to religious people, to the children of Shem (a name of G-d in Judaism).The single term "Antisemitism" was coined by activist Wilhelm Marr sometime in the mid-19th century to explicitly denote prejudices against Jews. Prior to that, the term used to denote prejudices against Jews was "Judenhass" (simply, "Jewhate"), a crude term that Marr presumably did not want to use in mainstream political discourse. After that, the term stuck. Consequently, I fail to see how Arabs come into the picture, since they are not "Semites" really (nobody is).Prejudices against Arabs is called Anti-Arabism (which IS an antonym).
Also, majority of the world's Muslims aren't Arabs and would not fall into the category of "Semitic race" if such a thing existed (since Muslims in Indonesia, say, are not Arab descended), so Muslims (the adherents of a religion) can;t be included into the definition either.
His Jewishness hardly absolves him of the charge of antisemitism. MArx was most definitely an antisemite (a self-hating Jew, perhaps?).
By the way, only Koenraad Elst can believe that the statements that Golwalkar made glorifying the German action of "purifying" the race does not make him (Golwalkar) a fascist.
Golwalkar made no such glorification when his statement is taken in context. He merely stated the facts of what was going on in the Reich (when most of the western world was denying it). We can certainly "profit from the lessons of the Reich", that is to say, to NOT REPEAT THEM. Creating an ethnic Hindu State is a solution to prevent such a holocaust of Hindus.
What happenned in Germany was ethnic cleansing; and Golwalkar did glorify it
Actually, it was not ethnic cleansing, it was a genocide. The two are different things. It is the antisemites who claim that it was merely "ethnic cleansing", a claim that stands totally discredited by mainstream scholars. Golwalkar glorified nothing of the sort. Besides, how could anyone kill off 150 million Muslims and several million Xtians in India anyways? It's physically impossible short of using some sort of WMD, and that would kill off almost as many Hindus.Golwalkar merely said that its not always possible for different and sometimes conflicting cultures to coexist, a claim that is, point of fact, SHARED by the Zionist movement (the whole point of Zionism was to reduce antisemitism by creating a SEPARATE Jewish state). Golwalkar said (to paraphrase) that non-Hindus must not persecute Hindus. They must learn to respect our right to exist and try to coexist, and that Hindus do the same to them. If persecution of Hindus continues then Hindus will have no choice but to take sterner measures after some fracture point. He was advising a course that would avoid ethnic conflict, not cause it. The fact that nobody understood what he was trying to say anddeliberately misinterpreted him is the cause of all this..
Also, by the way, the RSS did withdraw the book after years of publication. But the fact that Golwalkar wrote the book is not disputable.
Neither is the fact that lefties and Muslims routinely abuse this to villify and attack Hindus (even though Golwalkar hardly endorsed the Reich and, in fact, repudiated and condemned antisemitism in several parts of "We"). In stark contrast, nobody in India criticizes Muslims for supporting the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who actively collaborated with Hitler, recruited Muslims into the Waffen Schultzstaffel and activel aided in the holocaust. Nor do they criticize Sayyid Abdul ala-Mawdudi, the founder of the Jamaat-e-Islami. Mawdudi openly admired both Hitler and Mussolini and modelled his delusions of the "Islamic theodemocracy" on the basis of the Nazi regime. Yet, he is a hero in India. Mmuslims revere him as a saint, in Pakistan he is a national symbol, and leftists in India hang on his every sentence. Why is that? Hm?
they see that minorites are always at fault and must be subjugated
Nonsense. Nobody in the Hindutva movement whose sane says so. There may be some nutjobs who assert such things, but judging the entire Hindu Nationalist movement on the words of some nutbags (and I would count some elements of Shiv Sena and most of Bajrang Dal as among the nutjobs) is like judging Zionism on the basis of the actions of Baruch Goldstein and Meir Kahane...
The deeply ingrained caste system had ensured that the average Indian had very little control over his own destiny - the vast majority had no access to education, was in bondage to the higher caste and condemned to work in the fields and in the villages with no hope for improving their future.
Yup. A Caste system aggressively enforced by the Islamic rulers through the Jajmani system and the division of the Islamics into "Ashraf", "Ajlaf" and "Arzal" castes through the Fatwaa-i-Zahandari, not to me
Yes, I was wondering when the Golwalkar quotes would resurface as another anti-RSS attack.
Read this for the truth about THAT:
ahref=http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/articl es/fascism/Nazi6GurujiWithdrawn.htmlrel=url2html-3 0679http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/articles /fascism/Nazi6GurujiWithdrawn.html>. RSS disownes all that nonsense decades ago. Marxists only use it as a tool to attack and villify RSS>
But surely this meant that Golwalkar supported the German hatred for the Semitic races, the Jews? Not at all. In his survey of nations whose experience and nationalism are to serve as a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to profit by, the very first one is the Jewish nation (1939:19, 30; 1947:25, 37). This was and is standard fare in Hindutva writings, starting with Vinayak Damodar Savarkars trail-blazing book Hindutva (1923), which speaks out in favour of the Zionist project. Hindu nationalists have always looked up to the mettle of the Jews, who managed to maintain their identity for two thousand years under adverse circumstances, and who even managed to revive Hebrew as their mother tongue and national first language, where Hindus arent even able to promote Sanskrit to the status of national link language or pan-Indian second language. Hindu nationalist parties have always advocated diplomatic recognition of Israel when Congress (until 1992) and the Communist parties opposed it. Did you know that both Savarkar and Golwalkar were supporters of Zionism and Israel? At a time when Gandhi spat hatred against Jews and the Communists, in order to pander to the Muslim vote bank, refused to recognize Israel, Hindu Nationalists supported the Jewish State.You are a Christian. You know that G-d promised Israel to the Jews in the Torah, right?
One big problem with a lot of these so-called news sites is that they imply that there is some sort of a global conspiracy on to somehow subjugate the Hindus.
You mean like the BBC (which is usually leftist pro-Islamist), and buffalo.edu, and rediff?Whose pot have you been smoking dude? I never quoted any sites with a possibility of partisanship, not without qualification. I restrict to scholarly papers and reliable articles on the subject, citing views and opinions violently censored by the lefties running India today.
Since you mention "Conspiracy Theories", did you know that it is the left wing hate rag (misidentifying itself as) the "Dalit Voice" that routinely touts anti-Semitic Conspiracy theories in India? DId you know that they equate Hindus with Jews and call both slime? Did you know that their leader, a hatemonger named VT Rajshekhar, sells copies of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (an infamous anti-Semitic conspiracy hoax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_ Elders_of_Zion)
Did you know that Muslim newspapers like "Slasat" and "Milligazette" routinely claim that there is a "vast global conspiracy" of Hindus and Zionist bankers to "secretly take over the world" (in the style of the infamous anti-Semitic forgery the protocols of the learned elders of Zion)? Did you know that Evangelical missionaries, inspired by the protocols, are circulating forged documents alleging that RSS is secretly controlling the government in India?
Did you know that Communists on Indian television routinely "compare" Jews to Hindus, calling both "Filthy" "Lazy" and "Greedy"? Here is an article by Professor Nathan Katz at Florida International University, Miami about it (http://www.jcpa.org/cjc/cjc-katz-f05.htm), note the paragraph:
During my last stay in India I was watching television one night. I tuned in a bit late and heard a person in a discussion program saying: 'The Jews are just like the Brahmins.' I smiled until he continued, saying that: 'The Brahmins are as bad as the Jews. They are bloodsuckers like the Jews and a blight on humanity.' Then I saw that his name was framed at the bottom of the screen and that he was one of the leaders of the Communist party. It was Marx's essay on the Jewish question that he was spouting back and applying to the Brahmins.
So Communists are the real Nazi bigots, not Hindus.
They believe that a lot of people are now part of this conspiracy.
What "Conspiracy Theory"? There is no conspiracy. It's all being done quite openly. Numerous anti-hindu forces, the leftists, Islamists and some radical Evangelical missionaries, have come together to persecute Hindus.
About the Godhra massacre - many of the so-called leftist news sites which you claim to ha
That prick got modded down for being a Hindu-baiting hatemonger and troll, and rightly so. Equating Casteism with racism (a well-known politically mischevious and scientifically nonsensical ploy, there are no consistent physical or genetic features that differentiate the castes, read some damn papers by Andre Beteille , Bernard Buber and MN Srinivas on the subject) and attacking some pretty deeply-held and largely harmless beliefs like cow worship (if anybody attacked the divinity or historicity of Christ or Mohammed they would be modded down as "anti-Christian" or "anti-Islam" so why not this also?).
I don't support censorship, and never did in any of my posts. I just think that it is a bit hypocritical to attack Shiv Sena for wanting to censor anti-Hindu content, when the Communist and Islamist Ulama censored the works of Taslima Nasreen, Sita Ram Goel, Salman Rushdie and so many others on the grounds of being "anti-Islamic" and nobody batted a bloody eye.
Says something about the effects of mass media and propaganda. For once, Noam Chomsky was right. Fuck!
Fascism has spread throughout history under a populist garb. The Nazis
were supposed to help restore German pride
The big difference is that the Reich was not fighting any injustice.
They completely manufactured claims that they were "oppressed" by Jews
and used it as an antisemitic canard against them to try to wipe them
out.
The same thing is not the case here, or are the various massacres
perpetrated against Hindus by Muslims all over South Asia,from the
Talibanized Bangladesh to the Jamaatis in Pakistan, the massacre of
Hindus in Marad by Islamists, the open pro-taliban riots by Islamists
in Malegaon and bands of Islamic terrorists bombing temples, trains and
schools all "Windmills"? Eh?
Besides, if the RSS was so "obsessed with Muslim/Christian/Communist
Bashing", why did they rescue
poor Muslims during the Surat floods. Why did they rescue
Sikhs from massacres perpetrated against them by the Congress Party in
1984 (Read the works of Khushwant Singh praising RSS for it's relief
work among Sikhs)? Why did they
rescue Muslim children from terrorists in Kashmir? Why do
they cooperate with Catholic missions?
Are these the actions of "Fascists"?Oh, yes, these filthy urine drinking Hindu fascists are such cosmic swine that they dare to actually build bridges with the Dalit Community, aggressively champion for their right to worship in temples, and enagage in interfaith dialogue with Muslims and Christians. What filthy Hindu "kuffar" idolater fascists they are!
The terms "Fascism", "Nazism and "Communalism" are much abused terms in
India, thanks to the far-left propaganda.They have a distinct
connotation in the European context that can hardly apply to the Indian
milieu.
The term fundamentalism was first coined in the context of the
emergence of the Protestant movement in the Christian church in America
in the twenties. The ideology of the RSS and the way in which it is
interpreted by the Sangh leaders borrowing modern terminology have no
camparison to the sense in which the term fundamentalism was used in
America. So also, fascism and Nazism do have distinct meanings in the
socio-political contexts that prevailed in Italy and Germany which have
no bearing in the Indian context.
Communalism is not at all a part of religion. Communalism is nothing
but mobilisation of people on communal lines to serve a specific cause.
RSS can, therefore, be said to be communal only in a limited sense. RSS
has not committed any acts that could truly be described as
fundamentalist, fascist, or communal. In fact, one of the first acts of
A B Vajpayee after taking over as Prime Minister last time was to call
on Mother Teresa and Delhi Archbishop.
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The socio-political milieu of India offers a fertile ground for the RSS
to grow. One admirable aspect of the RSS, is its flexibility to move
with the times and to adopt the best from other
socio-cultural-religious movements. It learnt the rudiments of social
work from the missionary organisations of the church and mass
mobilisation techniques from the communists.
RSS has a dedicated and disciplined set of cadres, the simple life
style of its pracharaks, the moral teaching it imparts to the younger
generation in its daily sakhas, an
You keep labelling it "Communist Indian media" - quite frequently . Well, I would really like it if you could show me some evidence that it is. But please, no conspiracy theories - that would be a waste of my time.
Really? How about "Frontline", supposedly India's "National Magazine"? Little more than a propaganda adjunct of the (anti)-Hindu, another rag referred to as India's "National Newspaper". Essentially a bunch of op/eds and pseudo-journalism concocted up by a group of partisan hacks. Filled with rhetoric, bile and hatred against Hindus (Praful Bidwai, Kancha Ilaiah, etc. etc.), support for worldwide terrorism, hateful anti-Americanism, third-worldism and, more recently, anti-Semitic bile against Jews and Israel.Article after article distorts and fabricates information in the classic style of Soviet propaganda, and th masses in India buy into it.
Numerous outside observer have commented on how there is a far-left bias in a lot of the Indian media. Although there are some non-partisan news sources (rediff etc.) they are few and far between and limited in readership compared to Frontline and the (anti)-Hindu.
However, there is a decline of the left in India. Something which the newspapers deliberately avoid reporting. While the political parties professing Left ideology have done well in the past elections in India , it is undeniable that the Left movement there is in deep stupor. The Leftist intellectuals recognize the electoral success of the CPI-CPIM as arising from factors severely limited in the spacio-temporal sense. Thrown in a disarray from a host of intrinsic and extrinsic factors, the Leftist intellectual today in India is the very personification of a man demoralized by failure to realize the Utopian ideal, broken by the failure of logic to transcend strict boundaries, and confounded by the unraveling of plans previously endowed with 'historical inevitability'.
The Marxists in order to stress their broad-mindedness have inculcated a tendency to self-abuse. The denigration of every aspect of Indian life (culture, history and other elements of heritage) is glorified and recognized as a step forward in the progressive path. Such a retrograde step has led to severe attrition in the ranks of the Leftists. It has also planted seeds of confusion in the minds of the remaining ones as they attempt to unsuccessfully reconcile the unmask-able grandeur of Indian history with the contempt Marxism ingrains in them towards the same. [It was a similar sense of anti-egoism that made Mikhail Gorbachev unravel the Soviet empire.]
A great tragedy to befall Marxism in India is the control of its adherents by the nationalists of India 's adversary nations. Hence the proponents of world brotherhood have been transformed into Chinese and Pakistani nationalists. This subversion, badly disguised under the banner of 'progressive self-criticism' has completely eroded the support base of the movement within India .
The most unconscionable decision taken by the Marxists worldwide has been the embracing of radical Islam and support rendered to it in all manners. This has been justified in three ingenuous ways:
Radical Islam shares with the communists a fierce hatred for the Western world. The communists who believe that the Americans thwarted the worldwide revolution in the 1950s see the current age as payback time where rising Islam would bring down the capitalist West to its knees. However, it is being overlooked that the capitulation of the West would end the very base from where the Communists preach their philosophy and Weltanschauung.
Islamic Fundamentalism is regarded by the Communists as being the very anti-thesis of logic. They are convinced that an Islamic interlude would lead to a final Communist earth, as the intellectuals in each Islamic nation would rise against its patently visible logical fallacies. The communists seem to forget at their peril the plight of their brethren in Islamic Pakistan and Islamic Bangladesh.
An inexplic
You are buying this BJP propaganda and drinking too much of their Kool-Aid Wrong. I never went to any BJP rallies, or meetings, or read any of their political material. I merely see the situation as an outside observer (at least, for the moment), and see past the falsifications, logical fallacies, ad-hominem, and other BS spewed by the leftist media. Being a former leftist, I know all their tactics, you see?
About these sites which you claim to be giving the truth - these were the very same states which whitewashed the Gujarat massacre Compared to the rest of India that whitewashed the Wandhama Massacre, the Kaluchak Massacre (both anti-Hindu massacres), the Chittisinghpura Massacre (where Sikhs were massacred by the Islamist Lashkar-e-Toiba, but the media blamed the Hindus, it's like the Indian version of the Shabra and Shattila massacres in the Middle East, where Christians massacred Muslims, but both "conveniently" blamed it on the Jews), the Marad Massacre of Hindu fishermen by Islamists in Kerala, the massacres in the Northeast, the massacres of Hindus in other countries... and, of course, the Godhra Train massacre perpetrated by the radical elements of Ghanchi Muslims in Gujarat that precipitated the tragedy in Gujarat.
You cannot argue that the hindus are being persecuted in India Yes they are. The Evangelical Christian National Liberation front of Tripura in Northeastern India murdered some 13,000 Hindus every year. They explicitly targeted Hindus, even banned Hindus from practising their faith (they banned Diwali statewide).
how is that even possible considering that the hindus are an overwhelming majority in pretty much all parts of India Africans were an overwhelming majority in south Africa, yet they were brutally persecuted by the Boer minority during Apartheid era. So your argument is inherently fallacious. Also, are Hindus really an overwhelming majority? There are no reliable demographics in India to ascertain that for a fact. So many Hindus have been forcibly converted to Islam and Evangelism that their majority status is in grave doubt. There is so much bile and defamation of Hindus in India by the intelligentsia and media that they have been bullied and frightened into silence. Their majority status, if any, is irrelevant. They have a huge boot over their collective faces, in a classic Orwellian motif, forever..
these sites will try and whitewash the crimes of these hindu organizations while painting every other non-hindu organization as anti-hindu. The Catholic Bishops Conference of India is a non-Hindu organization, They work quite productively with the RSS to help with charity activities. The RSS does not portray them as "anti-Hindus" because they're not, obviously. So whose spouting the propaganda here, eh?
I fully agree with the parent poster that the non-resident indian
community
I am not a "member of the non-resident Indian community". I am an
Indian citizen and was as brainwashed as the average Indian, obsessed
more with the sexual conquests of Manisha Koirala than the reality of
what's going on in South Asia. I was a Communist in my College days, a
fanatic one actually. Even though I didn't realize it, I became the
quintessential self-loathing Indian. I hated Hindus, I joined the
Communist rallies in praising al-Qaeda when they rammed planes into the
twin towers. Like all good Communists, I praised the Taliban when they
passed sumptuary laws against Hindus in Afghanistan
(sumptuary laws are laws where Hindus were forced to wear yellow
colored badges identifying them as "Hindus", you know, like Jews in
Nazi Germany, the same Nazis you accuse Hindus of being. Ironic, isn't
it? Your Hindu "Nazis" forced to wear badges).
Notice how the US condemned it before India did. If India doesn't care
about Hindus then who will?
Hopefully, someday, you will see how dreadfully wrong all this is.
I really recommend that you get an education on India and that you stop spouting the hateful statements that fill the NRI's so-called "news" sites. "hateful statements that fill the NRI's News sites", you mean the truth, perhaps, instead of the hate, lies and sometimes outright fabrications spewed out by the Communist Indian media on a routine basis?
And rightly so. Gandhi was a racist (remember what he wrote about Africans), a totalitarian dictator, an
anti-Semite (read what he wrote about Jews), a pedophile and a fool. He would have dragged our country
back to the middle ages with his "ruralization" nonsense instead of
industrializing and modernizing our armies and today we would all be
under the authority of the Beijing Politburo. You should be thanking
Godse for what he did, get rid of the leader of a personality cult
(again, much like Stalin or Mao).
RSS activists indulge in arson, without ANY provocation on every
valentines day.
Your tangible that RSS was involved in all those things is... where?
Remember, fabricated reports from Communist propaganda outlets and
their derivatives don't count, you know. Most of those incidents were
the work of disorganized groups of morons. It is very chic in India
today to blame all the ills of society on Hindus. I place as much
credibility on them as I would on "Zionist Conspiracy theories".
Here is an interesting article about a paper written by a Roman
Catholic priest (ie a non-Hindu, so there is just about Zero chance of a pro-Hindu
bias) on the RSS:
The
conclusion drawn by
Fr Kundukulam is that RSS cannot be considered as a
nationalist organisation in the sense in which the term `nationalism'
is
generally interpreted in India. Nationalism represents the collective
consciousness of the people transcending all barriers of caste,
religion, etc. A nationalist is one who is primarily indebted to the
nation. Religion has no place in nationalism. In this sense, Fr
Kundukulam argues, RSS whose primary loyalty is to the Hindus can
hardly be called a nationalist organisation. In his view, RSS is a
multi-faceted organisation which is political, cultural, religious and
voluntary in nature and approach. Different facets gain upperhand at
different times depending on social and political exigencies.
At
the same time, Fr Kundukulam argues against branding the RSS ideology
as fascism, Nazism, fun
Hi You are forgetting to inform them about about the "Akhand Bharat" ideology that many (most?) RSS/VHP/SS cadres believe in. Some believe it openly, some in covert (like Advani) You know what it says... come on! You want me to remind you? It calls for subjugation/extermination of all non-hindus in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal to re-create the glorious hindu past. How is this different from Islamic nationalists? Because there is no state backing for Hindus, there are plenty for Muslims."Akhanda Bharat" is irredentist nonsense, and very few people actually subscribe to it. Those lunatics who do are pounced at by the media and then blown out of proportion so as to launch another blood libel'esque attack against the Hindus. It makes the leftists sound all "intellectual" and "progressive" to the ear of their comrades around the world, doesn't it?
RSS and other hindu nationalists openly call for use of nuclear weapons.How is this different from neo-cons in the US or Iran Surrounded by two totalitarian regimes who also posses Nuclear Weapons and openly pine for India's total destructions, I can't say that I blame them, for the same reason why I don't blame the Neoconservatives for safeguarding their interests against a madman like Ahmadinezhad who wants to "wipe Israel off the map/from the pages of history".
I do support a couple of things that these guys say. The Uniform civil code for example. However, if you happen to listen to their leaders speak, it seems they want a Uniform civil code not for the human rights of Muslim women, but just because Hindu men are being denied something that Muslim men aren't! Are they equally concerned about the plight/concerns of Kashmiri Muslims as they are of Kashmiri Pundits? Of course not. No, the UCC is the only solution to the joke that is the present state of Indian "Secularism". Secularism as it is practices in the west is dramatically different from the fraud that is passed of as "Secularism" in India. Secularism is supposed to mean a complete separation of religion and State. The Indian fraud of secularism involves paying Hajj subsidies to Islamists from everybody's tax money while the poor starve and AIDS spreads across the nation, funding madrassas which chant hatred against Hindus and non-Muslim Indians, and standing by a mute witness while Hindus are ethnically cleansed from Kashmir.
And the Dharavi slum is "improved"? Come on! I live less than a kilometer from Dharavi and it's as fucked up as ever.But now with some very filthy and half hearted Apartment complexes. Bacuase your exhalted left wing routinely scuttles attempts at emancipating it's residents.
Google NUMBER of times Shiv Sena cadres have attacked/vandalized/beat up INNOCENTS for no reason at all Google reflects page ranks from Indian media outlets, and, if you read Sita Ram Goel's "India:Secular Theocracy versus Liberal Democracy", you will see how the Indian media abuses their power over the population for disseminating propaganda against Hindus.
How about MF Hussein who is in exile How about Sania Nirza, Taslima Nasreen, Salman Rushdie, Irshad Manji and the others who are attacked, fatwa'ed and threatened with death in India itself for being "anti_Islam" according to the Indian propaganda machine?
Really? The chappies who trashed Valentines Day couples must have been
figments of the Indian media's collective imagination
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Where was this Indian Media when 2 million Hindus were slaughtered
by the Pakistani government in 1971? Where was this Indian media when
Hindus were being exterminated in Kashmir, or the Northeast, or by the
Bangladesh Nationalist Party, or by Idi Amin in Uganda? Nowhere. They
were busy reporting on how some idiots running after Valentine's day
couples and blaming it all on the Hindus. All this sensationalist exaggeration of a few relatively commonmplace events (do you want me to list the incidents of thuggery, attacks, mass rapes, fatwas, bombings, beheadings and riots instigated by the Communist Party Thugs and their allies in the Students Islamic Movement of India and the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind that are NOT reported by the news media?) is nothing more than a media blood libel against the Hindus.
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With attitudes like that, you dream of becoming a world intellectual
leader
</quote>
No, only for Hindus to live at least in one country where they are free
from persecution. Not the case anymore. Hindus and Sikhs are the only
people in the world with no state backing of their faith.
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except that no one in the country really follows it
</quote>
And that justifies killing them en masse, does it Mr Aurangzeb?
Go to the villages and non-major cities and drive away the evils of caste The RSS is one of the largest anti-Caste volunteer groups in India. The only reason why they are villified is because the upper-caste dominated socialist troll army that is the Indian media and intelligentsia wants to preserve the caste system, just replace "upper caste" with "party member", "lower caste" with "proletariat" and dharmashastra with the communist manifesto.
Communism IS casteism. Look at the caste systems in Soviet Russia, Communist China, and autocratic North Korea. To fight Communism IS to fight Casteism.
Slashdot Mirror
Blooming nonsense. The naturally naive outpourings of a self-hating Indian as usual:
i a/Part_III
The Indian Constitution protects the Fundamental rights of people far more zealously than the US does. Freedom of Speech is certainly important. However, in a developing country with large volume of poor and exploitable people, the fundamental rights that the Constitution of India does guarantee ie:
1.Right to equality
2.Right to freedom
3.Right against exploitation
4.Right to freedom of religion
5.Cultural and educational rights
6.Right to constitutional remedies
Carry precedence in our social context. I'm no big fan of Babasaheb Ambedkar (he was quite the nutcase in other areas), but he knew what he was doing when he wrote the constitution.Have you even read the bloody thing, or are you just mouthing off nonsense?
Oh, and Article 19 Protection of certain rights regarding freedom of speech, etc.
(1) All citizens shall have the right -
(a) to freedom of speech and expression;
(b) to assemble peaceably and without arms;
(c) to form associations or unions;
(d) to move freely throughout the territory of India;
(e) to reside and settle in any part of the territory of India; and
(f) to practice any profession, or to carry on any occupation, trade or business.
Does guarantee freedom of speech. It's just not as high up on the list as the right not to be starved to death, is all (we've still got a loong way to go in that area though).
Have a read: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ind
The only significant thing that the US constitution guarantees that the Indian Constitution does not is the right to bear arms (legal stuff, like the right not to incriminate yourself, are contained in the Indian penal code), and that IS due to historical reasons. It just doesn't figure too highly in our sociopolitical superstructure, and can easily be abused by certain people called "Naxalites" (remember those fine thugrats?).
Democracy is a great thing, and is implementable everywhere, but the specifics must vary with region/culture. You cannot fit the square peg of the US constitution into the round hole of India. You need a round peg. I wouldn't expect that a developed and wealthy nation like the United States would need a special Constitutional amendment like "Right against exploitation", sine that can be covered in the legal system.
Sorry. Still not buying it. The IE article says nothing about keystroke loggers. It talks about unsafe email attachments. and trojan horse/keystroke loggers, a wholly different topic. This looks more like a hoax now than ever.
A preliminary google search of two sets of keywords
e yloggers&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=& as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt =any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=active&ie=UTF-8&o e=UTF-8
t roke+loggers&hl=en&lr=&safe=active&as_qdr=all&star t=10&sa=N
6 5.htm
... yet.
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Mumbai+Police+k
http://www.google.com/search?q=Mumbai+Police+keys
reveals no reliable mainstream media source for this allegation. The only one I could find was this article from mid-day:
http://www.mid-day.com/news/city/2007/august/1631
For those who don't know, "Mid-Day" is basically Mumbai's version of the National Enquirer, rants on about conspiracy theories and local celebrity gossip, hardly a reliable source. All the blog entries about this are based on this one mid-day article.
Of course, it could mean that I'm not searching correctly. I'd appreciate it if somebody posted any (and I mean any) information from any mainstream media outlet (and not dubious blogs). Until then, I remain skeptical and maintain that this is probably a hoax circulated by some sub-par journalist as a means to get fame, and the "Outsource victims" moaning on slashdot lapped it up swiftly, of course...
Keep in mind that the Indian media is dangerously moonbatty and very anti-establishment (borderline third-world paranoid anarchist actually). Therefore if this actually happened then the media would pounce upon it like a pack of hungry wolves. They haven't
Has slashdot been trolled, again?
Dissent is alive, though fiercely opposed by the Beijing politburo.
PRC apologists here on slashdot (or anywhere) should talk to more geeks in the Chinese diaspora. They use google.tw more than google.cn for a reason.
1. Sri Lanka. 91% literacy rate. Abysmally high poverty and an economy that's in the shitter thanks to the little Sinhala-Tamil "race war" of theirs
2. Palestine. Most Palestinians are actually very well educated, but, well, you read the papers, right?
Not my intent to disparage any country or culture, mind you. My point is that education is certainly necessary to remove poverty, but it is far from sufficient.
That probably has more to do with a combination of proximity to the US border, coupled with social inequalities wrt race in Mexico (notice that the illegal immigrants who jump the fence to the US are generally darker in skin-tone to the more well-off caucasoids in Mexico). There is obviously severe social and economic problems with the country, but not as bad as the others in the region, where rampant poverty, lack of education and lack of opportunity gives rise to socialist terrorism from the likes of Castro,Chavez and Guevara (all unpopular characters in Mexico, btw).
What's more, trying to connect all that to one tycoon like Slim requires quite a stretch of the imagination, barring any concrete proof. Saudi Arabia is considerably better off than Mexico economically , but the wealth distribution inequality problem is far far worse than in Mexico. Saudi Arabia is basically a small cabal of ultra-uber-rich and batshit crazy Islamist Arab Oil Sheikhs who control almost ALL the wealth of Saudi Arabia, a good deal more than 7 percent(not to mention that they hold the entire civilized world a hostage to their insanity using their oil), and the rest of the country is dirt poor, with no functioning or statistically significant middle class. In contrast, Mexico HAS a reasonably well-educated (for a third world country, anyways) urban middle class. YOU may not know of them because they don't jump the borders, but they're there nonetheless.
You're exaggerating.While Mexico is certainly a developing country with large poverty problems, it's significantly better off both politically and economically compared to most other developing countries, especially elsewhere in Latin America Just look at nearby Haiti. What about Honduras & El-Salvador, both countries wrecked by nearly continuous warfare for decades? Compared to that, Mexico is a paradise (in fact, I believe that Mexico suffers from an illegal immigration problem with fence-jumpers from Guatemala, ironically...).
I spent a week in Mexico City in the early nineties and saw what the citizens lamented (and American tourists condemned) as "slums". They were bad, but not nearly as bad as other slums that I have seen elsewhere in the developing world (so-called "slums" in Mexico City have electricity and running water).
Dude, I don't know when you arrived in the United States or why your experience in particular was this bad, but this is certainly not universally the case unlike the leftie fearmongers would like you to believe.
I too happen to be a physics student from India studying in Texas. I came in through San Fransisco but a few months after 9/11, when paranoia was supposedly at an all time high. Everybody told me to be wary of being strip-searched, stand in long queues, get "teh eeevil eye from teh nasty-nasty Yanks" (I grew up among Communists, what to do?) etc.etc. Nothing even remotely that bad occurred for me. There were no long lines at all (San Frisco airport had way more INS kiosks than necessary) and I sailed through just fine. Maybe if your name was Ahmed instead of Iyer you'd get some extra scrutiny, can't say I blame 'em. The INS officials were smooth, efficient and professional. The INS fellow who processed me even knew a couple of Hindi phrases which he tried to impress me with. Sure they took my fingerprints and shit, but why is that such a big issue unless you're some backwoods militant in Alabama hidin' from "da man" or some gun-toting Talib - Mujahid? If you want to live in any civilized society there has to be some way of identifying you for beaureaucratic purposes at least. Admittedly, this "ten digital fingerprints" is pushing the boundaries of privacy rights. However, I'm confident that there is sufficient political activism in this country to address this problem. That's what it's all about you know, checks and balances. This too shall pass.
Overall, I was very impressed with their efficiency and professionalism.Despite all the irrational and virulent anti-American bigotry and racism coming from my fellow passengers (many of whom were Europeans and middle-easterners, so no surprise there...), they were treated very politely (but firmly) by the immigration officials.
If only they implemented security measures like this in INDIAN airports (thanks for repealing POTA, moonbats) we wouldn't have to deal with thousands of Lashkar-e-Toiba Fidayeen loons running around the country "spreading the Jihad against the Kuffar".
All anecdotal evidence, I admit, but so's yours.
Correct me if my facts are off, but I believe that the term is "Antisemitism" not "Anti-Semitism". The word is not an antonym of "Semitism" since there is no such thing as "Semitism" (or a "Semitic people" or a "Semitic race") as such. "Semitic" refers to a family of languages, and, to religious people, to the children of Shem (a name of G-d in Judaism).The single term "Antisemitism" was coined by activist Wilhelm Marr sometime in the mid-19th century to explicitly denote prejudices against Jews. Prior to that, the term used to denote prejudices against Jews was "Judenhass" (simply, "Jewhate"), a crude term that Marr presumably did not want to use in mainstream political discourse. After that, the term stuck. Consequently, I fail to see how Arabs come into the picture, since they are not "Semites" really (nobody is).Prejudices against Arabs is called Anti-Arabism (which IS an antonym).
Also, majority of the world's Muslims aren't Arabs and would not fall into the category of "Semitic race" if such a thing existed (since Muslims in Indonesia, say, are not Arab descended), so Muslims (the adherents of a religion) can;t be included into the definition either.
by the way, Karl Marx was a jew
His Jewishness hardly absolves him of the charge of antisemitism. MArx was most definitely an antisemite (a self-hating Jew, perhaps?).
By the way, only Koenraad Elst can believe that the statements that Golwalkar made glorifying the German action of "purifying" the race does not make him (Golwalkar) a fascist.
Golwalkar made no such glorification when his statement is taken in context. He merely stated the facts of what was going on in the Reich (when most of the western world was denying it). We can certainly "profit from the lessons of the Reich", that is to say, to NOT REPEAT THEM. Creating an ethnic Hindu State is a solution to prevent such a holocaust of Hindus.
What happenned in Germany was ethnic cleansing; and Golwalkar did glorify it
Actually, it was not ethnic cleansing, it was a genocide. The two are different things. It is the antisemites who claim that it was merely "ethnic cleansing", a claim that stands totally discredited by mainstream scholars. Golwalkar glorified nothing of the sort. Besides, how could anyone kill off 150 million Muslims and several million Xtians in India anyways? It's physically impossible short of using some sort of WMD, and that would kill off almost as many Hindus.Golwalkar merely said that its not always possible for different and sometimes conflicting cultures to coexist, a claim that is, point of fact, SHARED by the Zionist movement (the whole point of Zionism was to reduce antisemitism by creating a SEPARATE Jewish state). Golwalkar said (to paraphrase) that non-Hindus must not persecute Hindus. They must learn to respect our right to exist and try to coexist, and that Hindus do the same to them. If persecution of Hindus continues then Hindus will have no choice but to take sterner measures after some fracture point. He was advising a course that would avoid ethnic conflict, not cause it. The fact that nobody understood what he was trying to say anddeliberately misinterpreted him is the cause of all this..
Also, by the way, the RSS did withdraw the book after years of publication. But the fact that Golwalkar wrote the book is not disputable.
Neither is the fact that lefties and Muslims routinely abuse this to villify and attack Hindus (even though Golwalkar hardly endorsed the Reich and, in fact, repudiated and condemned antisemitism in several parts of "We"). In stark contrast, nobody in India criticizes Muslims for supporting the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who actively collaborated with Hitler, recruited Muslims into the Waffen Schultzstaffel and activel aided in the holocaust. Nor do they criticize Sayyid Abdul ala-Mawdudi, the founder of the Jamaat-e-Islami. Mawdudi openly admired both Hitler and Mussolini and modelled his delusions of the "Islamic theodemocracy" on the basis of the Nazi regime. Yet, he is a hero in India. Mmuslims revere him as a saint, in Pakistan he is a national symbol, and leftists in India hang on his every sentence. Why is that? Hm?
they see that minorites are always at fault and must be subjugated
Nonsense. Nobody in the Hindutva movement whose sane says so. There may be some nutjobs who assert such things, but judging the entire Hindu Nationalist movement on the words of some nutbags (and I would count some elements of Shiv Sena and most of Bajrang Dal as among the nutjobs) is like judging Zionism on the basis of the actions of Baruch Goldstein and Meir Kahane...
The deeply ingrained caste system had ensured that the average Indian had very little control over his own destiny - the vast majority had no access to education, was in bondage to the higher caste and condemned to work in the fields and in the villages with no hope for improving their future.
Yup. A Caste system aggressively enforced by the Islamic rulers through the Jajmani system and the division of the Islamics into "Ashraf", "Ajlaf" and "Arzal" castes through the Fatwaa-i-Zahandari, not to me
One big problem with a lot of these so-called news sites is that they imply that there is some sort of a global conspiracy on to somehow subjugate the Hindus.
You mean like the BBC (which is usually leftist pro-Islamist), and buffalo.edu, and rediff?Whose pot have you been smoking dude? I never quoted any sites with a possibility of partisanship, not without qualification. I restrict to scholarly papers and reliable articles on the subject, citing views and opinions violently censored by the lefties running India today.
Since you mention "Conspiracy Theories", did you know that it is the left wing hate rag (misidentifying itself as) the "Dalit Voice" that routinely touts anti-Semitic Conspiracy theories in India? DId you know that they equate Hindus with Jews and call both slime? Did you know that their leader, a hatemonger named VT Rajshekhar, sells copies of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (an infamous anti-Semitic conspiracy hoax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_ Elders_of_Zion)
Did you know that Muslim newspapers like "Slasat" and "Milligazette" routinely claim that there is a "vast global conspiracy" of Hindus and Zionist bankers to "secretly take over the world" (in the style of the infamous anti-Semitic forgery the protocols of the learned elders of Zion)? Did you know that Evangelical missionaries, inspired by the protocols, are circulating forged documents alleging that RSS is secretly controlling the government in India?
Did you know that Communists on Indian television routinely "compare" Jews to Hindus, calling both "Filthy" "Lazy" and "Greedy"? Here is an article by Professor Nathan Katz at Florida International University, Miami about it (http://www.jcpa.org/cjc/cjc-katz-f05.htm), note the paragraph:
During my last stay in India I was watching television one night. I tuned in a bit late and heard a person in a discussion program saying: 'The Jews are just like the Brahmins.' I smiled until he continued, saying that: 'The Brahmins are as bad as the Jews. They are bloodsuckers like the Jews and a blight on humanity.' Then I saw that his name was framed at the bottom of the screen and that he was one of the leaders of the Communist party. It was Marx's essay on the Jewish question that he was spouting back and applying to the Brahmins.
So Communists are the real Nazi bigots, not Hindus.
They believe that a lot of people are now part of this conspiracy.
There is no conspiracy in the sense that there is no great secrecy. The India-bashing lobbies operate quite openly. You should read reports by the (non-Hindu) American Jewish Committee (http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2005/11/17/pane lPromotesUnderstanding)
How about the Simon Weisenthal Center in the United States? No Hindus there either. They studied and endorsed the HAF report (reported here, a non-NRI site http://www.pacificmagazine.net/news/2006/07/18/was hingtondc-second-annual-report-on-hindu-human-righ ts-released)
that clearly shows that Hindus are being heavily and mercilessly persecuted. Read the full damn report here (http://www.hinduamericanfoundation.org/reports.ht m#hhr2005).
What "Conspiracy Theory"? There is no conspiracy. It's all being done quite openly. Numerous anti-hindu forces, the leftists, Islamists and some radical Evangelical missionaries, have come together to persecute Hindus.
About the Godhra massacre - many of the so-called leftist news sites which you claim to ha
That prick got modded down for being a Hindu-baiting hatemonger and troll, and rightly so. Equating Casteism with racism (a well-known politically mischevious and scientifically nonsensical ploy, there are no consistent physical or genetic features that differentiate the castes, read some damn papers by Andre Beteille , Bernard Buber and MN Srinivas on the subject) and attacking some pretty deeply-held and largely harmless beliefs like cow worship (if anybody attacked the divinity or historicity of Christ or Mohammed they would be modded down as "anti-Christian" or "anti-Islam" so why not this also?). I don't support censorship, and never did in any of my posts. I just think that it is a bit hypocritical to attack Shiv Sena for wanting to censor anti-Hindu content, when the Communist and Islamist Ulama censored the works of Taslima Nasreen, Sita Ram Goel, Salman Rushdie and so many others on the grounds of being "anti-Islamic" and nobody batted a bloody eye. Says something about the effects of mass media and propaganda. For once, Noam Chomsky was right. Fuck!
..So, it seems, are self-hating Indians who pander to racists.
Fascism has spread throughout history under a populist garb. The Nazis were supposed to help restore German pride
The big difference is that the Reich was not fighting any injustice. They completely manufactured claims that they were "oppressed" by Jews and used it as an antisemitic canard against them to try to wipe them out.
The same thing is not the case here, or are the various massacres perpetrated against Hindus by Muslims all over South Asia,from the Talibanized Bangladesh to the Jamaatis in Pakistan, the massacre of Hindus in Marad by Islamists, the open pro-taliban riots by Islamists in Malegaon and bands of Islamic terrorists bombing temples, trains and schools all "Windmills"? Eh?
Besides, if the RSS was so "obsessed with Muslim/Christian/Communist Bashing", why did they rescue poor Muslims during the Surat floods. Why did they rescue Sikhs from massacres perpetrated against them by the Congress Party in 1984 (Read the works of Khushwant Singh praising RSS for it's relief work among Sikhs)? Why did they rescue Muslim children from terrorists in Kashmir? Why do they cooperate with Catholic missions?
During Israel prime Minister Ariel Sharon's visit to India, Leftists and Muslims openly attacked Sharon, called him a "Filthy Jew", and publicly called for re-enacting the holocaust. It was the RSS that welcomed him and helped cement better ties with Israel. Funny how a "Fascist" movement would do that, eh?
Are these the actions of "Fascists"?Oh, yes, these filthy urine drinking Hindu fascists are such cosmic swine that they dare to actually build bridges with the Dalit Community, aggressively champion for their right to worship in temples, and enagage in interfaith dialogue with Muslims and Christians. What filthy Hindu "kuffar" idolater fascists they are!
The terms "Fascism", "Nazism and "Communalism" are much abused terms in India, thanks to the far-left propaganda.They have a distinct connotation in the European context that can hardly apply to the Indian milieu.
The term fundamentalism was first coined in the context of the emergence of the Protestant movement in the Christian church in America in the twenties. The ideology of the RSS and the way in which it is interpreted by the Sangh leaders borrowing modern terminology have no camparison to the sense in which the term fundamentalism was used in America. So also, fascism and Nazism do have distinct meanings in the socio-political contexts that prevailed in Italy and Germany which have no bearing in the Indian context.
Communalism is not at all a part of religion. Communalism is nothing but mobilisation of people on communal lines to serve a specific cause. RSS can, therefore, be said to be communal only in a limited sense. RSS has not committed any acts that could truly be described as fundamentalist, fascist, or communal. In fact, one of the first acts of A B Vajpayee after taking over as Prime Minister last time was to call on Mother Teresa and Delhi Archbishop.
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The socio-political milieu of India offers a fertile ground for the RSS to grow. One admirable aspect of the RSS, is its flexibility to move with the times and to adopt the best from other socio-cultural-religious movements. It learnt the rudiments of social work from the missionary organisations of the church and mass mobilisation techniques from the communists.
RSS has a dedicated and disciplined set of cadres, the simple life style of its pracharaks, the moral teaching it imparts to the younger generation in its daily sakhas, an
You keep labelling it "Communist Indian media" - quite frequently . Well, I would really like it if you could show me some evidence that it is. But please, no conspiracy theories - that would be a waste of my time.
Really? How about "Frontline", supposedly India's "National Magazine"? Little more than a propaganda adjunct of the (anti)-Hindu, another rag referred to as India's "National Newspaper". Essentially a bunch of op/eds and pseudo-journalism concocted up by a group of partisan hacks. Filled with rhetoric, bile and hatred against Hindus (Praful Bidwai, Kancha Ilaiah, etc. etc.), support for worldwide terrorism, hateful anti-Americanism, third-worldism and, more recently, anti-Semitic bile against Jews and Israel.Article after article distorts and fabricates information in the classic style of Soviet propaganda, and th masses in India buy into it.
Numerous outside observer have commented on how there is a far-left bias in a lot of the Indian media. Although there are some non-partisan news sources (rediff etc.) they are few and far between and limited in readership compared to Frontline and the (anti)-Hindu.
However, there is a decline of the left in India. Something which the newspapers deliberately avoid reporting. While the political parties professing Left ideology have done well in the past elections in India , it is undeniable that the Left movement there is in deep stupor. The Leftist intellectuals recognize the electoral success of the CPI-CPIM as arising from factors severely limited in the spacio-temporal sense. Thrown in a disarray from a host of intrinsic and extrinsic factors, the Leftist intellectual today in India is the very personification of a man demoralized by failure to realize the Utopian ideal, broken by the failure of logic to transcend strict boundaries, and confounded by the unraveling of plans previously endowed with 'historical inevitability'.
The Marxists in order to stress their broad-mindedness have inculcated a tendency to self-abuse. The denigration of every aspect of Indian life (culture, history and other elements of heritage) is glorified and recognized as a step forward in the progressive path. Such a retrograde step has led to severe attrition in the ranks of the Leftists. It has also planted seeds of confusion in the minds of the remaining ones as they attempt to unsuccessfully reconcile the unmask-able grandeur of Indian history with the contempt Marxism ingrains in them towards the same. [It was a similar sense of anti-egoism that made Mikhail Gorbachev unravel the Soviet empire.]
A great tragedy to befall Marxism in India is the control of its adherents by the nationalists of India 's adversary nations. Hence the proponents of world brotherhood have been transformed into Chinese and Pakistani nationalists. This subversion, badly disguised under the banner of 'progressive self-criticism' has completely eroded the support base of the movement within India .
The most unconscionable decision taken by the Marxists worldwide has been the embracing of radical Islam and support rendered to it in all manners. This has been justified in three ingenuous ways:
Radical Islam shares with the communists a fierce hatred for the Western world. The communists who believe that the Americans thwarted the worldwide revolution in the 1950s see the current age as payback time where rising Islam would bring down the capitalist West to its knees. However, it is being overlooked that the capitulation of the West would end the very base from where the Communists preach their philosophy and Weltanschauung.
Islamic Fundamentalism is regarded by the Communists as being the very anti-thesis of logic. They are convinced that an Islamic interlude would lead to a final Communist earth, as the intellectuals in each Islamic nation would rise against its patently visible logical fallacies. The communists seem to forget at their peril the plight of their brethren in Islamic Pakistan and Islamic Bangladesh.
An inexplic
I am not a "member of the non-resident Indian community". I am an Indian citizen and was as brainwashed as the average Indian, obsessed more with the sexual conquests of Manisha Koirala than the reality of what's going on in South Asia. I was a Communist in my College days, a fanatic one actually. Even though I didn't realize it, I became the quintessential self-loathing Indian. I hated Hindus, I joined the Communist rallies in praising al-Qaeda when they rammed planes into the twin towers. Like all good Communists, I praised the Taliban when they passed sumptuary laws against Hindus in Afghanistan
(sumptuary laws are laws where Hindus were forced to wear yellow colored badges identifying them as "Hindus", you know, like Jews in Nazi Germany, the same Nazis you accuse Hindus of being. Ironic, isn't it? Your Hindu "Nazis" forced to wear badges).
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/fyi/news/05/22/taleb
http://english.people.com.cn/english/200105/23/en
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=%5CFore
Notice how the US condemned it before India did. If India doesn't care about Hindus then who will?
Hopefully, someday, you will see how dreadfully wrong all this is. I really recommend that you get an education on India and that you stop spouting the hateful statements that fill the NRI's so-called "news" sites. "hateful statements that fill the NRI's News sites", you mean the truth, perhaps, instead of the hate, lies and sometimes outright fabrications spewed out by the Communist Indian media on a routine basis?
RSS's mother organization (ABHM, Godse) killed Gandhi.
And rightly so. Gandhi was a racist (remember what he wrote about Africans), a totalitarian dictator, an anti-Semite (read what he wrote about Jews), a pedophile and a fool. He would have dragged our country back to the middle ages with his "ruralization" nonsense instead of industrializing and modernizing our armies and today we would all be under the authority of the Beijing Politburo. You should be thanking Godse for what he did, get rid of the leader of a personality cult (again, much like Stalin or Mao).
RSS activists indulge in arson, without ANY provocation on every valentines day.
Your tangible that RSS was involved in all those things is... where? Remember, fabricated reports from Communist propaganda outlets and their derivatives don't count, you know. Most of those incidents were
the work of disorganized groups of morons. It is very chic in India today to blame all the ills of society on Hindus. I place as much credibility on them as I would on "Zionist Conspiracy theories".
They participate in every hindu-muslim riot.
In response to Islamist gangsters like Dawood Ibrahim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawood_Ibrahim), Islamil Latif, the Deobandi clerics and the JIH (The Indian division of the REAL fascist Jamaat-e-Islami : http://idp.world-citizenship.org/idp/index.php/wp- archive/50, http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ26Df02.h tml)/SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India: http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/terr oristoutfits/simi.htm) nexus of hatemongers who burn babies alive in trains, bomb other trains in cities and blow up temples of parishioners. For the most part, RSS actually tries to intervene in Muslim-Hindu riots to try to rescue it's victims, but get bashed in the fray. Or is it a lie that the RSS rescued numerous militancy-hit Muslim children in Kashmir, or rescued poor Muslims from floods in Surat while the Islamic Ulema of India watched and laughed because the poor Muslim were lower-caste Dalit Arzal Muslims and the Ashraf upper-caste dominated Islamic Ulema didn't give a rat's ass about them? WHere was the "eternal and all-powerful and all-forgiving Allah" for the Surat flood victims? Nowhere...
Here is an interesting article about a paper written by a Roman Catholic priest (ie a non-Hindu, so there is just about Zero chance of a pro-Hindu bias) on the RSS:
http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980823/2355 0294.html
Note, in particular, this paragraph.
The conclusion drawn by Fr Kundukulam is that RSS cannot be considered as a nationalist organisation in the sense in which the term `nationalism' is generally interpreted in India. Nationalism represents the collective consciousness of the people transcending all barriers of caste, religion, etc. A nationalist is one who is primarily indebted to the nation. Religion has no place in nationalism. In this sense, Fr Kundukulam argues, RSS whose primary loyalty is to the Hindus can hardly be called a nationalist organisation. In his view, RSS is a multi-faceted organisation which is political, cultural, religious and voluntary in nature and approach. Different facets gain upperhand at different times depending on social and political exigencies.
At the same time, Fr Kundukulam argues against branding the RSS ideology as fascism, Nazism, fun
Really? The chappies who trashed Valentines Day couples must have been figments of the Indian media's collective imagination
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Where was this Indian Media when 2 million Hindus were slaughtered by the Pakistani government in 1971? Where was this Indian media when Hindus were being exterminated in Kashmir, or the Northeast, or by the Bangladesh Nationalist Party, or by Idi Amin in Uganda? Nowhere. They were busy reporting on how some idiots running after Valentine's day couples and blaming it all on the Hindus. All this sensationalist exaggeration of a few relatively commonmplace events (do you want me to list the incidents of thuggery, attacks, mass rapes, fatwas, bombings, beheadings and riots instigated by the Communist Party Thugs and their allies in the Students Islamic Movement of India and the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind that are NOT reported by the news media?) is nothing more than a media blood libel against the Hindus.
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With attitudes like that, you dream of becoming a world intellectual leader
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No, only for Hindus to live at least in one country where they are free from persecution. Not the case anymore. Hindus and Sikhs are the only people in the world with no state backing of their faith.
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except that no one in the country really follows it
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And that justifies killing them en masse, does it Mr Aurangzeb? Go to the villages and non-major cities and drive away the evils of caste The RSS is one of the largest anti-Caste volunteer groups in India. The only reason why they are villified is because the upper-caste dominated socialist troll army that is the Indian media and intelligentsia wants to preserve the caste system, just replace "upper caste" with "party member", "lower caste" with "proletariat" and dharmashastra with the communist manifesto. Communism IS casteism. Look at the caste systems in Soviet Russia, Communist China, and autocratic North Korea. To fight Communism IS to fight Casteism.