Ah look, it's my stalker. Forget to click the AC button again. Not surprising, seeing as you probably have an IQ lower than that of your average marine mollusc.
You're a holocaust denier to be sure. Anyone who declares there is no information linking the Nazis to the murders of six million jews is a denier. Pure and simple
And then, of course, you cement what you really are by crying tears for the German people. "Oh, there's no evidence six million Jews were murdered, but what about all the poor Germans".
I think it's pretty clear you're an Anti=Semite and a Holocaust Denier, no matter how you try to mitigate that by replacing "denier" with "skeptic".
What's hilarious about it? In Germany, it wasn't just the Americans, it was the Allied Powers; primarily Britain, the USSR, the United States, along with France, who imposed the de-Nazification laws on the military governments that run the zones of Occupied Germany. The principles by which the defeated Axis Powers were to be treated largely came out of the Yalta Conference, so again that was part of the post-war agreements between the three primary Allied Powers.
The reason why Japan ended up under US control arose from the fact that Britain had pretty much been driven out of much East Asia by Japanese forces, while Russia didn't even officially declare war on Japan until the dying days of action in the Pacific Theater (in other words, it wasn't even technically a belligerent until just shortly before the unconditional surrender), leaving the US has the only of the Allies with significant enough forces in the Pacific to battle Japan (and no, I'm not saying other countries, like Australia and New Zealand, did not contribute). So it was the US, largely on its own, that defeated the last Axis Power, but the same general principles were applied to Japan that had been applied to Germany; namely that the surrender be unconditional and that the country submit itself to an open-ended military occupation until such time as the Allies felt the Axis country could be trusted to be a peaceful member of the community of nations.
Sadly for the Soviet Zone in Germany and for Hungary, they never got much of a chance, as the Soviets basically made them into client states, but for Japan and Italy, by and large, I'd say the end result was fairly positive. Japan, within ten years had completely recovered from the war damages and was well on its way to becoming one of the most advanced economies the world has ever known. Italy may not be quite as successful, but still, it's a fairly significant European country which, as many have observed of late, has a larger GDP than Russia, and generally enjoys a standard of living commensurate with most industrialized economies.
The United States did not start the war with Japan. It's only "belligerent" act, if you will was that Roosevelt, seeking to help Britain in any way it could before the US formally entered the war, refused to sell Japan oil. For Japan, that was a significant blow, since it has the bad luck to be a country not blessed with a lot of readily available hydrocarbons, and thus its war machine needed as much oil from foreign sources as it could get. And Japan's rulers weren't fools. They knew that it was only a matter of time before the US went from the sort of "wink wink nudge nudge" aid to Britain and Russia, and openly joined as an Allied Power, and Pearl Harbor was their best shot at trying to wreck the US's ability to project force across the Pacific.
He's not being very philosophical at all. There's nothing particularly compelling about Omphalism. It is, in fact, a denial that any kind of knowledge can be reliable. As you point out, if direct observation is the requirement, then any ability to determine the truth of a historical claim won't get much further back then when you were 4-6 years old, and really, couldn't even count things that happened anywhere beyond your immediate vicinity at that time, since watching something on TV isn't necessarily direct observation either.
The real joke is that what our brains "see" isn't even in and of itself direct observation. What we perceive in the visual center in our brain is a highly altered representation of the photons that struck the retina. None of our direct senses are really direct, and all go through considerable processing before we actively and consciously perceive them. About the only things that come close to being directly "observed" are some automatic reactions, like the jerking back at a painful stimuli, where our nervous system has evolved so as to not wait for the brain to sort out what painful thing our skin has contacted, but rather the sensation hits the lower parts of the central nervous system, the spinal cord. But even there, I'd argue that the sensation of pain that the spinal cord is detecting still has at least some processing by pain receptors at the site of the signal and by the nerves themselves, since even nerve cells have some processing capability.
So ultimately, if we're going to call Omphalism in all its forms a philosophy, I'd lump it in the category of "things people believed a long time ago, but which only stupid people still think are sensible ways to measure the world now."
The difference here is that you are under no obligation to trust Google at all. Use another search engine if you want to. It's not like Google hasn't filtered search results for years, it's just that anti-Semitism is simply the latest flag. At the end of the day, there's always someone being an arbiter of some kind. You're not likely to find too many libraries that will have any of Ernst Zundel's work, and you won't find any mainstream encyclopedias that have articles debating whether the Holocaust happened or not.
What is true is that up until about the last 15-20 years, White Supremacist groups had a very difficult time gaining anykind of mainstream exposure. When their activities were reported on at all, it was in terms of criminal or anti-social activity. The best these hate groups could do is put sort of encoded advertising in newspapers to their latest meetup location, or every once in a while to shove fliers under windshield wipers. Their literature could never get any mainstream publisher to even touch it, so they ended up forming or using small publishing houses, or more often just sending out their photocopied rags via snail mail in plain brown wrapping (this was particularly necessary when shipping their crap abroad, as other countries' postal services often have rules against delivering such materials).
But the Internet gave them a whole new life, and thus you have Stormfront. But Stormfront isn't really good enough. It's still a walled community, and in general the only people that seek it out are likeminded travelers in space and time. That's why it's critical that they find ways to get on to Twitter and Facebook, or get good rankings on search engines. These avenues have allowed them to penetrate the wider society to probably the greatest extent since the pre-Civil Rights South.
Google is a private company, and if it wants to make it a policy that it isn't going to deliver search results of sites it views as hate sites, I think Google doesn't really have to justify itself. It clearly recognizes, as Twitter and Facebook slowly are, that to become to easy a vehicle for these groups is to devalue the brand overall. As it is, even if Google kills every anti-Semitic site result it can find, it's still pretty goddamned easy to find these kinds of sites.
That's an upward estimate of the Great Leap Forward. I think I've read that 20-40 million is a better count, but nobody really knows, since the whole famine itself was caused as much by local officials intentionally distorting virtually all the data on food shortages and deaths for the Chinese government. One thing is certain, however many died in the Great Leap Forward, it was enough people for the Party to sideline Mao for several years and for the more technocratic party members like Deng Xiaoping to run the country until Mao found his footing again and used the Cultural Revolution to sideline those in the Party that had diminished him due to the catastrophe of the Great Leap Forward.
The Great Leap Forward is indeed a good example of how suppression of information can, if not create a catastrophe, then greatly inflame it, but in that case it worked somewhat in reverse. It wasn't the central government trying to stifle information, it was local and regional officials. But the reason those officials did it was because they had been handed absurd quotas (like the amount of steel to be produced by a certain district), and because they were sufficiently afraid that they wouldn't meet these quotas, they had a great deal of impetus to distort both the production numbers and quality of production (there are plenty of stories of large amounts of steel being produced that were of such low quality that it was effectively useless), and almost certainly to try to suppress any reports of famine and death tolls. But it's hard to imagine even if the figures had been honestly communicated to the the Chinese government that that information would ever have been disseminated, though possibly the plan might have been abandoned before the death toll reached as high as it did.
I did. Reality isn't dependent upon semantics, nor is it dependent upon observation. To insist that only direct observation is to basically reject much of science.
There are plenty of White Supremacists in the US, so it's not like the First Amendment has somehow been a complete defense against the rise of hate groups. The only real defense is that the FBI probably has moles in most of these groups, and tends to keep a pretty close eye on the various Christian Identity, White Supremacist, and various extremist survivalist/prepper groups.
Mandatory "history" lessons wouldn't have made much sense in 1946-49, when the Holocaust was just a few years old. At the time, it was seen as necessary (and I would agree with the general notion) that Germany and Austria needed a strong de-Nazification effort. Similar efforts also took place in the other Axis nations, with imposed laws to prevent any militaristic nationalist movements from rising again (hence the pacifist constitution imposed on Japan by the American occupation). Germany and Austria have both opted, as much as a signal to the rest of Europe as to any domestic issues of neo-Nazis, to retain these laws.
The US is fairly unique in the level of protection of speech. There is no protections as strong anywhere else in the Free World as the First Amendment, and really, US history is sufficiently unique that I'm not sure you can just blanket condemn anti-hate speech laws in countries like Germany, where there is some pretty odious history of hate speech being used to cement autocratic government and mass murder.
No, they did not emigrate. They were murdered. The only significant exoduses where of wealthier families who had the resources to get the fuck out of Dodge, but since, despite the longstanding ethnic slur against Jews that they were all money hoarders, most European Jews were not wealthy people.
There were millions of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe before the War, only fragmented groups after, there's no evidence they emigrated, since only a few every managed to make it to Israel, Britain or the Americas. So unless you're asserting there's a magic land filled with Jews that nobody knew about, your claims is patently absurd.
But I get it, as with most conspiracy theories, all that is required as retort, even if the retort is utterly moronic and completely untrue.
I think you'd best count on Debian doing this at some point. The only solutions are either to move to one of the looser distros like Slackware, or to FreeBSD. While I do love Slack, I don't know if I'd ever have enough confidence in it to put in a server room, so that leaves FreeBSD, which is where I'm heading. It does take some getting used to, I have to put on my old quarter century old Xenix hat to some extent, but it least it actually functions like Unix should.
The reason that it is a crime in Germany and Austria has to do with the historical de-Nazification of both countries after the War. It was part of the effort imposed by the Allies on these countries to make sure that Nazism never reared its ugly head again. It may seem silly in prosaic now (if you're willing to ignore the rise in anti-Semitism in Europe of late), but the anti-Nazi and anti-Holocaust Denial laws were deemed as necessary by the Soviets, British and Americans after they toppled the Third Reich.
Because it isn't an honest conversation, and never was. Holocaust Denial is literally a lie, and there are no compelling reasons to accept it.
Go read the transcripts of the Nuremberg Trials. It's all right there. The "six million figure" is an estimate based upon the number of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe before the Final Solution, and the decided lack of Jews after. Countries like Poland, which had large Jewish communities prior to the 1930s, had virtually no Jews afterwards.
It's simple math. The Nazis killed millions of Jews, Roma and other undesirables in a systematic and bureaucratic fashion. The only reason to deny the Holocaust is because you're a Jew-hater who wants to assert some new version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion-style conspiracy. In other words, you're an advocate for an evil and false ideology that is in fact responsible for the deaths of six million innocent peoples whose only crime was to be Jews in Europe.
Can you describe a "Climate Change Believer lab" to me.
And there are a large number of taxpayer-funded climatologists out there, or are until Trump fires them all for committing the most heinous of crimes; telling the world what is actually happening.
Ah yes, the old "eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we shall die" line. There's no evidence that humans are going to go extinct. Life will become more expensive for many, for many it will become worse, and for some it will likely mean death. You're just trying to mask your lack of desire to actually do anything in some sort of hedonistic nihilism. It's pathetic, in part because I think even you know what you're claiming is pure bullshit, and in part because it betrays just how selfish you really are.
Weather is not climate. You do understand what the "global" in global warming means, right? You did get far enough in school to learn about average and mean, it I assume so.
Oh give me a break. You don't give a flying fuck about the poor. If you did, you would at least accept that climate change is going to inordinately effect them. But it will affect your kids as well, so it is clear you don't actually give a damn about then either. There are solutions that don't involve socialism, so that to is just a strawman.
You do understand that it is irrelevant how officers of a publicly traded company exchange information, if that information has an impact on investors, it is supposed to be disclosed. What you've described is a method that would make proving malfeasance harder, but would be no less illegal.
Considering that it's likely fossil fuel companies have had positive knowledge of AGW for decades, and that eventually he twill lead to significant regulation both nationally and internationally, yes shareholders, and just as importantly potential shareholders have a right to know.
This would be like a gold mine selling futures while having buried reports showing water table contamination that could potentially depress share prices.
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Ah look, it's my stalker. Forget to click the AC button again. Not surprising, seeing as you probably have an IQ lower than that of your average marine mollusc.
You're a holocaust denier to be sure. Anyone who declares there is no information linking the Nazis to the murders of six million jews is a denier. Pure and simple
And then, of course, you cement what you really are by crying tears for the German people. "Oh, there's no evidence six million Jews were murdered, but what about all the poor Germans".
I think it's pretty clear you're an Anti=Semite and a Holocaust Denier, no matter how you try to mitigate that by replacing "denier" with "skeptic".
What's hilarious about it? In Germany, it wasn't just the Americans, it was the Allied Powers; primarily Britain, the USSR, the United States, along with France, who imposed the de-Nazification laws on the military governments that run the zones of Occupied Germany. The principles by which the defeated Axis Powers were to be treated largely came out of the Yalta Conference, so again that was part of the post-war agreements between the three primary Allied Powers.
The reason why Japan ended up under US control arose from the fact that Britain had pretty much been driven out of much East Asia by Japanese forces, while Russia didn't even officially declare war on Japan until the dying days of action in the Pacific Theater (in other words, it wasn't even technically a belligerent until just shortly before the unconditional surrender), leaving the US has the only of the Allies with significant enough forces in the Pacific to battle Japan (and no, I'm not saying other countries, like Australia and New Zealand, did not contribute). So it was the US, largely on its own, that defeated the last Axis Power, but the same general principles were applied to Japan that had been applied to Germany; namely that the surrender be unconditional and that the country submit itself to an open-ended military occupation until such time as the Allies felt the Axis country could be trusted to be a peaceful member of the community of nations.
Sadly for the Soviet Zone in Germany and for Hungary, they never got much of a chance, as the Soviets basically made them into client states, but for Japan and Italy, by and large, I'd say the end result was fairly positive. Japan, within ten years had completely recovered from the war damages and was well on its way to becoming one of the most advanced economies the world has ever known. Italy may not be quite as successful, but still, it's a fairly significant European country which, as many have observed of late, has a larger GDP than Russia, and generally enjoys a standard of living commensurate with most industrialized economies.
The United States did not start the war with Japan. It's only "belligerent" act, if you will was that Roosevelt, seeking to help Britain in any way it could before the US formally entered the war, refused to sell Japan oil. For Japan, that was a significant blow, since it has the bad luck to be a country not blessed with a lot of readily available hydrocarbons, and thus its war machine needed as much oil from foreign sources as it could get. And Japan's rulers weren't fools. They knew that it was only a matter of time before the US went from the sort of "wink wink nudge nudge" aid to Britain and Russia, and openly joined as an Allied Power, and Pearl Harbor was their best shot at trying to wreck the US's ability to project force across the Pacific.
He's not being very philosophical at all. There's nothing particularly compelling about Omphalism. It is, in fact, a denial that any kind of knowledge can be reliable. As you point out, if direct observation is the requirement, then any ability to determine the truth of a historical claim won't get much further back then when you were 4-6 years old, and really, couldn't even count things that happened anywhere beyond your immediate vicinity at that time, since watching something on TV isn't necessarily direct observation either.
The real joke is that what our brains "see" isn't even in and of itself direct observation. What we perceive in the visual center in our brain is a highly altered representation of the photons that struck the retina. None of our direct senses are really direct, and all go through considerable processing before we actively and consciously perceive them. About the only things that come close to being directly "observed" are some automatic reactions, like the jerking back at a painful stimuli, where our nervous system has evolved so as to not wait for the brain to sort out what painful thing our skin has contacted, but rather the sensation hits the lower parts of the central nervous system, the spinal cord. But even there, I'd argue that the sensation of pain that the spinal cord is detecting still has at least some processing by pain receptors at the site of the signal and by the nerves themselves, since even nerve cells have some processing capability.
So ultimately, if we're going to call Omphalism in all its forms a philosophy, I'd lump it in the category of "things people believed a long time ago, but which only stupid people still think are sensible ways to measure the world now."
The difference here is that you are under no obligation to trust Google at all. Use another search engine if you want to. It's not like Google hasn't filtered search results for years, it's just that anti-Semitism is simply the latest flag. At the end of the day, there's always someone being an arbiter of some kind. You're not likely to find too many libraries that will have any of Ernst Zundel's work, and you won't find any mainstream encyclopedias that have articles debating whether the Holocaust happened or not.
What is true is that up until about the last 15-20 years, White Supremacist groups had a very difficult time gaining anykind of mainstream exposure. When their activities were reported on at all, it was in terms of criminal or anti-social activity. The best these hate groups could do is put sort of encoded advertising in newspapers to their latest meetup location, or every once in a while to shove fliers under windshield wipers. Their literature could never get any mainstream publisher to even touch it, so they ended up forming or using small publishing houses, or more often just sending out their photocopied rags via snail mail in plain brown wrapping (this was particularly necessary when shipping their crap abroad, as other countries' postal services often have rules against delivering such materials).
But the Internet gave them a whole new life, and thus you have Stormfront. But Stormfront isn't really good enough. It's still a walled community, and in general the only people that seek it out are likeminded travelers in space and time. That's why it's critical that they find ways to get on to Twitter and Facebook, or get good rankings on search engines. These avenues have allowed them to penetrate the wider society to probably the greatest extent since the pre-Civil Rights South.
Google is a private company, and if it wants to make it a policy that it isn't going to deliver search results of sites it views as hate sites, I think Google doesn't really have to justify itself. It clearly recognizes, as Twitter and Facebook slowly are, that to become to easy a vehicle for these groups is to devalue the brand overall. As it is, even if Google kills every anti-Semitic site result it can find, it's still pretty goddamned easy to find these kinds of sites.
That's an upward estimate of the Great Leap Forward. I think I've read that 20-40 million is a better count, but nobody really knows, since the whole famine itself was caused as much by local officials intentionally distorting virtually all the data on food shortages and deaths for the Chinese government. One thing is certain, however many died in the Great Leap Forward, it was enough people for the Party to sideline Mao for several years and for the more technocratic party members like Deng Xiaoping to run the country until Mao found his footing again and used the Cultural Revolution to sideline those in the Party that had diminished him due to the catastrophe of the Great Leap Forward.
The Great Leap Forward is indeed a good example of how suppression of information can, if not create a catastrophe, then greatly inflame it, but in that case it worked somewhat in reverse. It wasn't the central government trying to stifle information, it was local and regional officials. But the reason those officials did it was because they had been handed absurd quotas (like the amount of steel to be produced by a certain district), and because they were sufficiently afraid that they wouldn't meet these quotas, they had a great deal of impetus to distort both the production numbers and quality of production (there are plenty of stories of large amounts of steel being produced that were of such low quality that it was effectively useless), and almost certainly to try to suppress any reports of famine and death tolls. But it's hard to imagine even if the figures had been honestly communicated to the the Chinese government that that information would ever have been disseminated, though possibly the plan might have been abandoned before the death toll reached as high as it did.
I did. Reality isn't dependent upon semantics, nor is it dependent upon observation. To insist that only direct observation is to basically reject much of science.
Have you ever seen an electron?
There are plenty of White Supremacists in the US, so it's not like the First Amendment has somehow been a complete defense against the rise of hate groups. The only real defense is that the FBI probably has moles in most of these groups, and tends to keep a pretty close eye on the various Christian Identity, White Supremacist, and various extremist survivalist/prepper groups.
Mandatory "history" lessons wouldn't have made much sense in 1946-49, when the Holocaust was just a few years old. At the time, it was seen as necessary (and I would agree with the general notion) that Germany and Austria needed a strong de-Nazification effort. Similar efforts also took place in the other Axis nations, with imposed laws to prevent any militaristic nationalist movements from rising again (hence the pacifist constitution imposed on Japan by the American occupation). Germany and Austria have both opted, as much as a signal to the rest of Europe as to any domestic issues of neo-Nazis, to retain these laws.
The US is fairly unique in the level of protection of speech. There is no protections as strong anywhere else in the Free World as the First Amendment, and really, US history is sufficiently unique that I'm not sure you can just blanket condemn anti-hate speech laws in countries like Germany, where there is some pretty odious history of hate speech being used to cement autocratic government and mass murder.
Reality is not dependent upon semantics. Unless you're a nihilist or an omphalist, in which case, your philosophy truly is pointless.
No, they did not emigrate. They were murdered. The only significant exoduses where of wealthier families who had the resources to get the fuck out of Dodge, but since, despite the longstanding ethnic slur against Jews that they were all money hoarders, most European Jews were not wealthy people.
There were millions of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe before the War, only fragmented groups after, there's no evidence they emigrated, since only a few every managed to make it to Israel, Britain or the Americas. So unless you're asserting there's a magic land filled with Jews that nobody knew about, your claims is patently absurd.
But I get it, as with most conspiracy theories, all that is required as retort, even if the retort is utterly moronic and completely untrue.
I think you'd best count on Debian doing this at some point. The only solutions are either to move to one of the looser distros like Slackware, or to FreeBSD. While I do love Slack, I don't know if I'd ever have enough confidence in it to put in a server room, so that leaves FreeBSD, which is where I'm heading. It does take some getting used to, I have to put on my old quarter century old Xenix hat to some extent, but it least it actually functions like Unix should.
The reason that it is a crime in Germany and Austria has to do with the historical de-Nazification of both countries after the War. It was part of the effort imposed by the Allies on these countries to make sure that Nazism never reared its ugly head again. It may seem silly in prosaic now (if you're willing to ignore the rise in anti-Semitism in Europe of late), but the anti-Nazi and anti-Holocaust Denial laws were deemed as necessary by the Soviets, British and Americans after they toppled the Third Reich.
Because it isn't an honest conversation, and never was. Holocaust Denial is literally a lie, and there are no compelling reasons to accept it.
Go read the transcripts of the Nuremberg Trials. It's all right there. The "six million figure" is an estimate based upon the number of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe before the Final Solution, and the decided lack of Jews after. Countries like Poland, which had large Jewish communities prior to the 1930s, had virtually no Jews afterwards.
It's simple math. The Nazis killed millions of Jews, Roma and other undesirables in a systematic and bureaucratic fashion. The only reason to deny the Holocaust is because you're a Jew-hater who wants to assert some new version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion-style conspiracy. In other words, you're an advocate for an evil and false ideology that is in fact responsible for the deaths of six million innocent peoples whose only crime was to be Jews in Europe.
It's Google's search engine. Go create your own pro-Holocaust Denial search engine if you think it's so important.
Can you describe a "Climate Change Believer lab" to me.
And there are a large number of taxpayer-funded climatologists out there, or are until Trump fires them all for committing the most heinous of crimes; telling the world what is actually happening.
So we have another AC who seems to think Canute can control the tides.
Ah yes, the old "eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we shall die" line. There's no evidence that humans are going to go extinct. Life will become more expensive for many, for many it will become worse, and for some it will likely mean death. You're just trying to mask your lack of desire to actually do anything in some sort of hedonistic nihilism. It's pathetic, in part because I think even you know what you're claiming is pure bullshit, and in part because it betrays just how selfish you really are.
And more non sequiturs
Weather is not climate. You do understand what the "global" in global warming means, right? You did get far enough in school to learn about average and mean, it I assume so.
Oh give me a break. You don't give a flying fuck about the poor. If you did, you would at least accept that climate change is going to inordinately effect them. But it will affect your kids as well, so it is clear you don't actually give a damn about then either. There are solutions that don't involve socialism, so that to is just a strawman.
That is a limited personhood, and does not absolve directors or the board of a company if they partake in unlawful or actionable conduct.
You do understand that it is irrelevant how officers of a publicly traded company exchange information, if that information has an impact on investors, it is supposed to be disclosed. What you've described is a method that would make proving malfeasance harder, but would be no less illegal.
Wow, non sequitur much?
Considering that it's likely fossil fuel companies have had positive knowledge of AGW for decades, and that eventually he twill lead to significant regulation both nationally and internationally, yes shareholders, and just as importantly potential shareholders have a right to know.
This would be like a gold mine selling futures while having buried reports showing water table contamination that could potentially depress share prices.