Actually I have a feeling we socialists will put the libertarians next to the rich against the walls. I've found there are only TWO kinds of libertarians, one wants a government to whip their slaves, the other wants to hire a goon squad to whip the slaves because they don't trust the government to do an effective job at slave whipping.
You name any libertarian position and it will ALWAYS end up "the rich guy wins" no matter how you spin it. I had a good back and forth with the guy from freedomainradio (which is the most ultra libertarian you want to meet) and hopefully I turned some away from that toxic belief system because it was so damned easy to show how the answer always ends up "the rich guy wins" under libertarianism. I mean for fucks sake he truly believed the way to stop crime is through insurance policies! Riiiight, and if I'm a billionaire that brings in 20 mil plus business a year to the insurance company they are REALLY gonna give a fuck if my favorite hobby is raping 16 year old peasants on the weekends, when the peasants put together isn't paying them as much in a year as i do in a week.
I'm sorry but the end result of libertarianism is just a new name for a very old concept...feudalism. Its as old as history 1.- Gather wealth by any means, 2.- Hire goon squad, 3.- become God and do what you want to the peasants. Hell I would argue the world of Rapture in Bioshock was actually a best case scenarios, more likely you would have had Ryan and Atlas splitting the place and the peasants lives would have been worth nothing. We already have made the majority of labor no longer required thanks to tech, what would you do with those people? Put them in camps?
Sorry libertarian but the future is gonna be socialism and communism NOT libertarianism. Unlimited markets create monsters, see the age of the robber barons for a perfect example. Ironic that libertarians rail against the anti-business laws PUT IN PLACE BY ROBBER BARONS who were created by the very free markets you champion. You created the monsters friend, they are your mess.
Personally I'd love it if they stayed there but I'm also a realist, and 1.- those things won't last forever in the nasty conditions on the moon,solar winds and little meteors and the like will trash them, which IIRC scientists said the flags might last 300 years, and 2.- To a private collector those things will be worth a fortune and as we have seen time and time again if there is enough money on the table SOMEBODY will claim it.
But just FYI I don't think private ownership should be the end all be all, I sadly have just seen too much when it comes to my fellow man to think everybody will play nice and leave stuff alone because we ask. Hell look at how gourmets are happy to pay crazy prices for endangered fish, rather than let stock build back up I wouldn't be surprised if they would be happy to be the one that ate the last of this or that fish, just as i'm sure some private collector would pay a ton of money to have one of those flags behind glass for his friends to ooohh and aahh over even if they had to have a historic site trashed to get it..
Hell we have undeniable proof of that friend, or have you forgotten how they had a "please stop ignoring us" petition on Whitehouse.gov?
Time and time again we have seen the will of the people ignored, the vast majority say they are against amnesty for illegals, just as they were against the last amnesty, they are ignored, the vast majority didn't want to keep tax breaks for the top 5%, they were ignored, the vast majority is for getting rid of the loopholes and corporate welfare, ignored, against too big to fail, ignored, time after time after fucking TIME have we seen the will of the people ignored.
My grandmother rest her soul voted for nearly 60 years but refused the last decade and a half of her life,why? because even SHE, a little old country gal that believed in the good in people said "What is the point? all they do is ignore us and do what they want when they get there" and no truer words were ever spoken, they just lie their asses off until they get the comfy job where they can cash the checks and give the people the finger. What are you gonna do, fire them for one of their golfing buddies? they'll get a cushy lobbyist job for being a good sellout and the next guy will cash the checks and give you the bird.
Not only that but its not a "slippery slope" (God how I hate that bullshit, its become an instant debate blocker like calling someone a troll or shill, and is used often where it makes NO fucking sense) when we have EVIDENCE that its part of a trend!
Already you see talks of fat taxes, NYC tell you what size of soda you may have, that is NOT a slippery slope as its the SAME SHIT we have seen over and over AND OVER, they go after a group that too few will stand up for and then those laws "supposedly" aimed only at that group is then turned slowly but surely about and used on ever larger numbers.
I mean has everybody already forgotten how PATRIOT and other spying programs were ONLY for foreign terrorists? Now we find that its been used to spy on nuns that protested the war, women who gave lectures on constitutional rights, again government NEVER gets smaller ONLY bigger and the same goes for the scope of their programs. Well its the same thing here, they use the "healthcare" excuse first to go after smokers, then fatties, next those that don't carry enough insurance (how in the fuck this isn't extortion i don't know) and it just keeps getting bigger and affecting more until you ALL end up running afoul of it in some way.
So I would say there is a BIG fucking difference between a slippery slope and this, with a slope you are saying "because of X we'll have Z" but in this case we have already seen X and now Y (the excuses used for smokers now being aimed at those that don't hit some metric like BMI) so saying that Z comes after Y isn't a slope, its just looking at history and showing the patterns. I mean how many of you even a decade ago would have believed a state would have the right to tell you how much beverage you are allowed to buy? or that those that use a 100% legal substance can be arrested in their homes or even have their children taken away? This isn't some fallacy, we are seeing it happening right now in places along the coasts and again it NEVER gets smaller, ONLY bigger.
Its a shame it was another coward that posted his bullshit as i would have told him the same thing I told my senator and I urge ALL OF YOU to make the same "modest proposal" and see how quick they change the subject!
I will sign an IRONCLAD contract in front of 20 witnesses that says if I get ANY form of cancer or illness as direct result or even indirect result of lifestyle choices the ONLY treatment I will get is generic morphine, the cheapest drug there is, and in return you take ALL sin and nanny taxes off me for life,deal?
Watch how fucking quick they will RUN, change the subject, dodge, do anything and everything rather than answer you because THEY KNOW its not got a damned thing to do with healthcare, its about feeding out of control spending and more control for the elite. if its about healthcare why are cigars taxed so much cheaper? because fat cats like those, you fucking peasant!
I urge ALL who reads this to take my modest proposal and make it your own and ask YOUR elected officials to agree, nothing rips the mask off their lies quicker than offering to step away from their "support", you watch, not a single one will even answer you!
That is why all the old guys at NASA always impressed the hell out of me, the amount of work they could get out of such weak hardware was frankly AMAZING, can you even imagine what a Phenom X6 or i7 could do running nothing but machine code? Hell everyone should try that little OS made in machine code "Kolibri OS" IIRC as you can take a 1GHz P3 and it'll just smoke many modern systems thanks to how close to bare metal that thing runs, its just nuts how bloated all the OSes and programs are now compared to what they could do back then.
But how is anything the UN says gonna affect private enterprise? And do all countries obey UN mandates? I have a feeling the value of those relics to private collectors means the UN can say WTF they want, sooner or later SOMEBODY is gonna grab 'em.
Well i think it was more about how moz used the FOSS method of versioning which in all honesty? Kinda made more sense. You had full number changes like 4 to 5 for major releases and the whole "dot odd is testing, dot even is stable" which made it easy at a glance to see whether you were running bleeding edge or stable, whereas with Chrome any changes they do warrant a full version number which at this rate they will be up to triple digit release numbers in no time.
But you are right that the Chromium based really didn't seem to use the numbers so the extensions didn't get shit on every time you turned around, I've been using Comodo Dragon since Version 2 and its now up to 27.2 and none of my extensions or themes have ever broke because of updates whereas the last year I was using FF it seemed like every time i turned around one of my extensions or themes was getting broken by an update,VERY irritating.
Yes I do and here is why, because when the jobs are all going temp, with 41,000 factories sent overseas since 2001, what do both parties have for talking points? Mexicans and gays, 2 things the big corps could give a wet fat fuck about!
So I'm sorry Mrs AC (seriously make a fucking account dude, it takes like 3 minutes and you can put in any bullshit you want) but just as pro wrestling has their "drama" which is in reality shit neither guy gives a rat fuck about so too is the only "differences" you are allowed to have only on shit big corps don't give a fuck about. Big corps don't give a fuck about Mexicans, they can hire illegals all day long and any bill passed won't be allowed to change that, and they could care even less about what some gay does in their bedroom.
If you want proof how rigged it REALLY is, and this is coming from someone that leans socialist and hates libertarians (I think they come in 2 flavors, one that wants a gov to whip the slaves, the other wants to hire a goon squad to do the whipping) just look up "Jon Stewart Ron Paul" to see the entire MSM in any place he was doing even slightly well turn Paul into Voldemort, Stewart even has a clip of an entire round table talking about the first,second, and FOURTH place finishers and not once do they ever even admit that third place existed! Follow that up with Alex Jones on Ron Paul, while Jones may be a nutter most of the time he has footage showing the RNC voice vote that would have allowed the Paul party to be heard had the RESULTS ON THE PROMPTER before the vote was even cast!
So I'm sorry AC, you are merely being fooled by the Kayfabe and anything that would affect the bottom line, disparities in free trade, corporate bribery of elected officials, the rising income gap, NONE of that is allowed on the table. Its like George Carlin said "You know why things never get any better no matter who you vote for? because the OWNERS want it that way!" and he was sadly 100% correct.
Uhhh...Obamacare is damned near a copy of Romneycare and BOTH were written by The Heritage Foundation. Look them up you'll see its a RIGHT WING think tank and they pretty much wrote the whole thing and Obama merely stumped for their package.
Do a little digging dude and you'll quickly find its ALL Kayfabe to get the masses like the troll above foaming, the actual so called "left leaning" shit passed under Obama was actually written by the right and the same top 0.1% make out like bandits under those policies. At the end of the day Ventura summed it up when he talked about his time in office "Its no different than pro wrestling, you have a couple of talking points that let your heel and face have something to argue about but when the camera is off they go to lunch with the same lobbyist who tells them what to pass this week".
You are correct that "meet the new boss" isn't apt alright, a MUCH better analogy would be "Bush The Sequel" because all he did was take everything Bush was for and made it bigger, nastier, and more fascist leaning, no different than how a sequel always seem to take the main beats of a movie and just amps up the action.
No the difference is one of decency and simple human kindness. I have a customer that works as a food server in a college, probably one of the most menial jobs that there is. When i was laid up for a week a couple of months back with a skull splitting migraine and I had to tell my customers i wouldn't be in for a few days i got emails from a couple of the rich ones that basically said "be in tomorrow or fuck you we'll go somewhere else"...you wanna know what I got from the lowly food server "Hey brah, sorry to hear that you are sick man, brought you some supper and a joint, that is what always helps with my headaches".
So THAT is the difference and it is all the difference in the world, the rich ones wouldn't fucking piss on you if you were on fire whereas the poor ones? Are not only grateful for the help (completely the opposite of the propaganda of worthless poor you are fed daily) but will go out of their way to repay even the smallest kindness whereas the rich just expect it because they are just soo fucking much BETTER than you, you worthless peasant piss ant.
The nice 22 inch widescreen in my apt? Was given to me free brand new by a small business owner that is lucky to break even half the time,when the guy had a fire at his home and lost everything but the clothes on his back and the backup (which I had wisely told him to keep in another location) I pulled an old P4 tower along with all the accessories and told him to not worry about it, just worry about his business and dealing with the insurance companies and when he got his insurance check just bring the box back and I'd build him another home system. When he got the check he had me build him a new system for his home office (which he insisted on paying me $100 above my price for) then asked me to go with him to our local Office Depot because he wanted to see the screens up close to get a sense of size and wasn't sure about the specs. I picked him out a nice 22 inch 1600x900 that would be the perfect fit for his home office and he bought two, well i just figured he was buying a spare. When we got to our vehicles he handed me the other one and said "I insist, you gave me a hand when I needed one and I don't forget those that treat me right".
And THAT is why I would rather work for a 1000 working poor than for a dozen rich, because i have found that simple human kindness and decency comes back five fold with the poor,with the rich you are just looked down on with contempt because you are one of THEM, not one of US, total elitist douchebaggery at its finest.
Been trying to warn folks for years that the smokers were the canaries in the coal mine but nobody listened. Look at your history folks, government ALWAYS gets bigger, NEVER smaller. Look at places like NYC telling you how big of a soda you are allowed to have and talks of sugar taxes and fat taxes, all under the "its because of healthcare" bullshit excuse.
This is one of the most wasteful governments in world history folks, we are paying for illegals, we are paying billions to third world thugs to benefit this or that big business, paying paying Uber Millionaires like David Letterman not to grow crops on the acres he bought as a tax writeoff, hell we recently got to pay close to 3 million dollars for EPA to fix a simple malware infection WITH A SHOTGUN...look it up, I'm NOT shitting you, their answer to a simple malware infection was to pay nearly a million to a "consulting" firm and when the consulting firm couldn't wave a magic wand and give them a guarantee that they could make the PCs 100% clean without a wipe they took a sledge to the PCs, the printers, even the fucking monitors...your tax dollars at work folks.
So you better start standing the fuck up for the smokers, because just as they use the "terrorist" and "pedo" magic words to pass laws they end up using to Big bro your ass so too are they using smokers to pass laws they will later use to tell you how many slices of pizza you are allowed to have or they'll tax the fuck out of you, because of "healthcare" of course. Remember the rule folks, ALWAYS bigger,NEVER smaller.
How is it a "troll" to show you are saying "My boat gets great gas mileage" when the topic is trucks? because that is EXACTLY what you did friend.,/p>
First of all, from the Sci-Linux page...SL is a Linux release put together by Fermilab, CERN, and various other labs and universities around the world. Its primary purpose is to reduce duplicated effort of the labs, and to have a common install base for the various experimenters.....Now WTF does that have to do with consumer desktops? i really wanna know how something designed for HPC particle work is relevant to this conversation.
As for CENTOS, first of all its a RIPOFF made by a company that USED to buy RHEL and then decided to rip out the trademarks and sell it on their hardware, feel free to look it up, and have you already forgotten how the entire project shut down for nearly 2 months like a year and a half a ago because ONE GUY bailed? Have you already forgotten the mad scramble as those cheapskates that had been using CENT over RHEL had to make a mad run looking for a replacement? yeah THAT is whom I wanna trust, a ripoff company that is run so shitty a single guy bails and it nearly goes tits up...nice.
And again i want to hear WTF has ANY of that got to do with consumer desktops? Last I checked RHEL was a SERVER and WORKSTATION OS, with a VERY limited focus on...surprise! Server and workstation applications, which FYI that NONE of the consumers are gonna be fucking using! Consumers DON'T BUY $1000 workstations, they DON'T USE workstation or server applications, you might as well have said "here replace that laptop with this router" for all the good that suggestion is!
At LEAST try to stay on the topic which is "consumer desktops" which HAS TO run on consumer hardware, HAS TO run programs geared towards the consumer and HAS TO be solid and reliable enough that it will last the user without needing CLI bullshit or Googling for fixes for the average life of a system, which is now 5-7 years depending on the hardware. at the end of the day your "solution" simply doesn't do the job required, no different than that guy that told me with a straight face and with all sincerity that I should move consumers onto RHEL and have them pay $300 a year support contracts so they can have the 'freedom" of running Linux...LOL.
Sadly I think that would be a paradise, but it will never be, because i have met the enemy and money is their God. for that kind of paradise to exist there would have to be a major culling of those at the top because i have met them,even worked in their homes, and the one thing they love more than their wealth is how it lets them look down upon others.
Hell look at the whole Paula Deen blowup, even the girl that started it all said it wasn't about race, it was about class, with Deen treating EVERYBODY that wasn't in her tax bracket as a nigger, no matter what the color of their skin. I have seen rich people trash practically new clothes rather than let a poor person have them, seen them have a giant catered affair and throw out a good 80% of it with a foodbank just down the road that would have been happy to take every bite, while i have met some truly nice rich people i have met way more that practically cum at the thought of those beneath them doing without, the world would be a better place without them in my opinion but to get to the utopia you describe you will have to get rid of them, they will NEVER give up being "superior" to the rest of us.
As for what would happen to those masses if such a utopia were allowed? the same thing that keeps them happy now only on a much more massive scale...virtual reality and the cyber world. after all there the ugly are beautiful, the weak are strong, like the Bruce Willis movie Surrogates they will spend most of their time living an ideal life, only there they can fly, be the hero, get the girl, nobody will give a shit that its not "real" because it will be their ultimate fantasies fulfilled.
Of course there will always be a need for guys like me, the guys that go around fixing things,but I LIKE fixing things and if doing so let people live a happier life while giving me plenty of free time for my music? Then as long as the state made sure I could get the supplies i want to make music as well as keep a roof over my head I'd be happy to keep fixing things until the end of my days. I'd just come home to my little GF who would rub my shoulders while I enjoyed her home cooking and would be quite happy, I don't need to be "above" others to be happy and would be quite content to keep right on fixing, learning a long time ago that money truly can't buy real happiness.
Funny you should mention that because my oldest, which is as "true believer" as you can get now refuses to step into ANY church because he sat there in shock as they basically proclaimed their love for Supply Side Jesus and spoke of their disdain for the poor. In one church they asked him when he was walking out why he was leaving and he said "I know this place, its the same kind of place Jesus took a whip to, you can't worship money and God in the same breath". Man what I wouldn't have given to see that!
Exactly and the troll can rant about "dumbocrats" or whatever spoonfed shit he has been handed by faux news but in reality there is ONLY ONE PARTY, and that is the pro corporate fascist party, and its been that way for a good 30 or 40 years now.
In my own state the pundits had a living shitfit over the "DINO" that kissed the corporate ass, so they ran her out...only to get a RINO that kisses the corporate ass. THAT is your choice, its not even Coke VS pepsi, its Coke in a can VS Coke in a bottle, at the end of the day the same 0.01% get the money, the same names behind the scenes, the same disparity, the same ever widening gulf between the top and everyone else.
At the end of the day I say look to the east, look at the Arab Springs for that IS our future, when those at the top have stolen the last dime they possibly can and left the poor with nothing and cut off what little aid they had THEN we shall see REAL change, as the masses rise up and hang the rich that are stupid enough not to "get to teh choppa!" from the nearest tree. This is why NO empire lasts forever, you can only tilt things so far out of alignment before the whole rotten mess comes tumbling down. I truly believe it will happen in my lifetime,maybe even within the next 20 years if the stock market bubble they have been blowing since the 80s finally pops.
Well it'll certainly be "disincentive" when they have the first double flop in the history of the company. I have already heard from customers that if they keep metro? don't bother even calling them, they are ALL gonna pass. Not that I can blame 'em, they offered nothing good with win 8 and a shitload of bad when compared to Win 7 so like my customers I'm just gonna skip it, if they offer it for $40 or less i might get a copy to run in a VM to better learn how to work on the few that cross my path but honestly every person that has walked through my door with a Win 8 machine has only wanted ONE thing, and that is for me to remove it for Win 7.
I wonder if in a few years we'll talk of "The Ballmer Effect" because i have never seen a corp just pushed right off the cliff by the CEO, he seems damned determined to either become Apple or commit corporate suicide and of course the latter is the only outcome available, as nobody is gonna pay crazy money for Windows walled gardens. I only hope that the rumor isn't true that the board can't get enough voting shares to get rid of the fat bastard because otherwise we are gonna end up losing X86 to dumb terminals like Chrome OS. I always wanted a "third way" but not by replacing one shitty company with an equally shitty company but that is what it looks like we are gonna get, all because Ballmer thinks he can become Jobs if he just acts like a big enough asshole.
If MSFT doesn't turn back when 2020 rolls around the death of Win 7 will be the death of MSFT, because from what I'm seeing those "100 million licenses sold" are being thrown in the trash, with every shop going "Look we have Windows 7 here!". I know I won't be carrying win 8.1, learned that lesson with win 8 when folks would buy a system with half the power just because it had Win 7 instead of 8,not gonna waste space on a product people don't want.
If you think Obama is a D I have some swampland in Florida you might be interested in, what we have is simply Bush's third and fourth term which is how those at the top wanted it to go.
I mean do you honestly think its a coincidence that Obama supported every jack booted policy that Bush supported, increased spying, increased drone strikes, and pretty much ended up more right wing than the right wing itself? He cashed the check and read from the cue card just like the last guy and the guy before that and so on for several decades now.
There is a REASON why no matter who is in the white house Goldman Sachs is running the fed, why a handful of guys on Wall Street can gamble like its Las Vegas and when they lose we get told they're "too big to fail" and why no matter who you vote for things NEVER get better, only worse. If you honestly and truly believe the right wing gives a flying piss about you when you are not one of the 0.01% I hate to break the news to ya, but they don't and neither does the so called "left".
Every time i see a rant like yours I'm reminded of the late great Bill Hicks "Well I believe the puppet on the left shares MY beliefs! Well I believe the puppet on the right has MY interests at heart....hey wait a minute, there is one guy working both puppets!". There is a reason why all empires fall friend and you are seeing it right before your eyes, those at the top always become too greedy and tilt things so badly out of alignment that the whole thing comes crashing down.
And I hate to say it but being in the trenches i can say its true, the reason is Obamacare which i said before it passed was gonna be a disaster, and wadda ya know? it is.
What we NEEDED was a single payer option and caps on the crazy drug and insurance prices, what we GOT is practically a love letter to those same drug and insurance companies so all the businesses are just making everybody short timers. in the past few months i don't think I've had a single customer under 40 that is getting full time anymore, they ALL have been cut to less than 30. this is really hurting a lot of families and i expect to see disability and food stamp rolls explode as folks scrabble to get on the dole just to survive.
So don't buy the bullshit they are selling on the coasts folks, here in the heartland I can tell you things are pretty fucking bad. I have a feeling we are gonna be seeing a "dead kid and old folk" summer as the weaker kids drop and the old folks cook because their families can no longer pay the bill for the AC thanks to being put on short time, everything from construction to services are either letting folks go and replacing with short timers or are just making sure no employee gets above 30 but in both cases its really hurting the working poor folks, its really getting bad here in the flyover states.
This is what I have been arguing for years, capitalism, like communism and every other ism that came before MUST die, simply because technology will make all but a handful of super geniuses that invent new machines pointless.
I have no doubt many that are being born today will NEVER have a job simply because their labor just isn't required, giant farms with machines run by GPS will do the production with but a handful of workers, likewise RFID will make most of the retail jobs pointless as you'll just push a cart through a scanner and it will be totaled up, even construction will probably go the way of the 8-track as the costs for natural resources will make prefabrication of energy efficient homes the best and most affordable choice.
The only question to me is whether capitalism will die a peaceful death like the old USSR with communism, or go down in a bloody war to the death as fascism did in the 1940s. I certainly hope its the former but considering how entrenched the greedy are at the top and how PMCs are giving those with money access to armies that frankly rival many countries? i have a nasty feeling it'll end up full scale class warfare before its all over and capitalism finally is laid to rest as the relic from the past it is quickly becoming.
I think it was Nicholas Meyer (of Star Trek II fame) who said "art thrives on limitations" and time and again we have seen that, you get a big budget and you go overboard and end up with a mess. Maybe in the future others will learn and set some sort of upper limit on their kickstarter?
Riiiight, so if you ONLY buy high end workstations that are ONLY gonna run a niche Linux that is ONLY designed for laboratory work then and ONLY then it will work great....now explain how in the fuck is that supposed to have a damned thing to do with consumer desktops, which was what the whole damned thread was about?
You see THIS is what i hate about geeks in general and FOSSies in particular, they think that just because they run some ultra niche OS designed for some job that less than 3% of the people on the planet EVER do, that means their experience applies to all. Well i have been working computer retail for nearly a quarter century pal and I can tell you that 99.995% of the people are never gonna be running CERN applications so Sci-Linux is worthless to them. Hell you might as well talk about how great eComstation works in high freq trading apps for as much as it has to do with normal folks.
Noooo, its like saying "we already have language so there is no need for cryptography, we can just add Pig Latin onto regular language and it'll be good enough".
You can bolt shit on all damned day but you can't turn a Brewster Buffalo into a mach 3 fighter, and likewise you can bolt shit on all damned day long but you aren't gonna take a thing that was never meant to be used by millions and never designed with even the slightest bit of security in mind into a truly locked down and secure system, because to do so you'll have to rip out so much of the old shit backwards compatibility will be thrown out the window and you might as well start over.
Hell I got an even better example...has everybody forgotten how the plans for Marine 1 (the POTUS personal chopper) ended up on fricking P2P already?
As somebody who used to work corporate i can say that a LOT of the so called "high level access" stuff is frankly pretty damned easy for somebody on the inside, especially somebody in IT, to get access to. Never forget folks how damned easy it is to become complacent in an org, you see the same guy day after day and people automatically assume "well i'm sure he has a reason" and goes on about their business. I used to have a bud that worked IT in the military and he told me the same thing, he'd get hassled here or there by some BOFH but soon enough he had a superior that got tired of him calling with this or that problem and would just rubber stamp anything he said so that he wouldn't be bothered anymore.
With any large org you get bureaucratic bullshit and you quickly learn how to get around as much as possible just so you can do your damned job, I have no doubt if Snowden was there for more than a year he already knew how to run the maze and bypass the bullshit, you really have to just to do your job in a big org, at least that is what i found to be the case.
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Actually I have a feeling we socialists will put the libertarians next to the rich against the walls. I've found there are only TWO kinds of libertarians, one wants a government to whip their slaves, the other wants to hire a goon squad to whip the slaves because they don't trust the government to do an effective job at slave whipping.
You name any libertarian position and it will ALWAYS end up "the rich guy wins" no matter how you spin it. I had a good back and forth with the guy from freedomainradio (which is the most ultra libertarian you want to meet) and hopefully I turned some away from that toxic belief system because it was so damned easy to show how the answer always ends up "the rich guy wins" under libertarianism. I mean for fucks sake he truly believed the way to stop crime is through insurance policies! Riiiight, and if I'm a billionaire that brings in 20 mil plus business a year to the insurance company they are REALLY gonna give a fuck if my favorite hobby is raping 16 year old peasants on the weekends, when the peasants put together isn't paying them as much in a year as i do in a week.
I'm sorry but the end result of libertarianism is just a new name for a very old concept...feudalism. Its as old as history 1.- Gather wealth by any means, 2.- Hire goon squad, 3.- become God and do what you want to the peasants. Hell I would argue the world of Rapture in Bioshock was actually a best case scenarios, more likely you would have had Ryan and Atlas splitting the place and the peasants lives would have been worth nothing. We already have made the majority of labor no longer required thanks to tech, what would you do with those people? Put them in camps?
Sorry libertarian but the future is gonna be socialism and communism NOT libertarianism. Unlimited markets create monsters, see the age of the robber barons for a perfect example. Ironic that libertarians rail against the anti-business laws PUT IN PLACE BY ROBBER BARONS who were created by the very free markets you champion. You created the monsters friend, they are your mess.
Personally I'd love it if they stayed there but I'm also a realist, and 1.- those things won't last forever in the nasty conditions on the moon,solar winds and little meteors and the like will trash them, which IIRC scientists said the flags might last 300 years, and 2.- To a private collector those things will be worth a fortune and as we have seen time and time again if there is enough money on the table SOMEBODY will claim it.
But just FYI I don't think private ownership should be the end all be all, I sadly have just seen too much when it comes to my fellow man to think everybody will play nice and leave stuff alone because we ask. Hell look at how gourmets are happy to pay crazy prices for endangered fish, rather than let stock build back up I wouldn't be surprised if they would be happy to be the one that ate the last of this or that fish, just as i'm sure some private collector would pay a ton of money to have one of those flags behind glass for his friends to ooohh and aahh over even if they had to have a historic site trashed to get it..
Hell we have undeniable proof of that friend, or have you forgotten how they had a "please stop ignoring us" petition on Whitehouse.gov?
Time and time again we have seen the will of the people ignored, the vast majority say they are against amnesty for illegals, just as they were against the last amnesty, they are ignored, the vast majority didn't want to keep tax breaks for the top 5%, they were ignored, the vast majority is for getting rid of the loopholes and corporate welfare, ignored, against too big to fail, ignored, time after time after fucking TIME have we seen the will of the people ignored.
My grandmother rest her soul voted for nearly 60 years but refused the last decade and a half of her life,why? because even SHE, a little old country gal that believed in the good in people said "What is the point? all they do is ignore us and do what they want when they get there" and no truer words were ever spoken, they just lie their asses off until they get the comfy job where they can cash the checks and give the people the finger. What are you gonna do, fire them for one of their golfing buddies? they'll get a cushy lobbyist job for being a good sellout and the next guy will cash the checks and give you the bird.
Not only that but its not a "slippery slope" (God how I hate that bullshit, its become an instant debate blocker like calling someone a troll or shill, and is used often where it makes NO fucking sense) when we have EVIDENCE that its part of a trend!
Already you see talks of fat taxes, NYC tell you what size of soda you may have, that is NOT a slippery slope as its the SAME SHIT we have seen over and over AND OVER, they go after a group that too few will stand up for and then those laws "supposedly" aimed only at that group is then turned slowly but surely about and used on ever larger numbers.
I mean has everybody already forgotten how PATRIOT and other spying programs were ONLY for foreign terrorists? Now we find that its been used to spy on nuns that protested the war, women who gave lectures on constitutional rights, again government NEVER gets smaller ONLY bigger and the same goes for the scope of their programs. Well its the same thing here, they use the "healthcare" excuse first to go after smokers, then fatties, next those that don't carry enough insurance (how in the fuck this isn't extortion i don't know) and it just keeps getting bigger and affecting more until you ALL end up running afoul of it in some way.
So I would say there is a BIG fucking difference between a slippery slope and this, with a slope you are saying "because of X we'll have Z" but in this case we have already seen X and now Y (the excuses used for smokers now being aimed at those that don't hit some metric like BMI) so saying that Z comes after Y isn't a slope, its just looking at history and showing the patterns. I mean how many of you even a decade ago would have believed a state would have the right to tell you how much beverage you are allowed to buy? or that those that use a 100% legal substance can be arrested in their homes or even have their children taken away? This isn't some fallacy, we are seeing it happening right now in places along the coasts and again it NEVER gets smaller, ONLY bigger.
Its a shame it was another coward that posted his bullshit as i would have told him the same thing I told my senator and I urge ALL OF YOU to make the same "modest proposal" and see how quick they change the subject!
I will sign an IRONCLAD contract in front of 20 witnesses that says if I get ANY form of cancer or illness as direct result or even indirect result of lifestyle choices the ONLY treatment I will get is generic morphine, the cheapest drug there is, and in return you take ALL sin and nanny taxes off me for life,deal?
Watch how fucking quick they will RUN, change the subject, dodge, do anything and everything rather than answer you because THEY KNOW its not got a damned thing to do with healthcare, its about feeding out of control spending and more control for the elite. if its about healthcare why are cigars taxed so much cheaper? because fat cats like those, you fucking peasant!
I urge ALL who reads this to take my modest proposal and make it your own and ask YOUR elected officials to agree, nothing rips the mask off their lies quicker than offering to step away from their "support", you watch, not a single one will even answer you!
That is why all the old guys at NASA always impressed the hell out of me, the amount of work they could get out of such weak hardware was frankly AMAZING, can you even imagine what a Phenom X6 or i7 could do running nothing but machine code? Hell everyone should try that little OS made in machine code "Kolibri OS" IIRC as you can take a 1GHz P3 and it'll just smoke many modern systems thanks to how close to bare metal that thing runs, its just nuts how bloated all the OSes and programs are now compared to what they could do back then.
But how is anything the UN says gonna affect private enterprise? And do all countries obey UN mandates? I have a feeling the value of those relics to private collectors means the UN can say WTF they want, sooner or later SOMEBODY is gonna grab 'em.
Well i think it was more about how moz used the FOSS method of versioning which in all honesty? Kinda made more sense. You had full number changes like 4 to 5 for major releases and the whole "dot odd is testing, dot even is stable" which made it easy at a glance to see whether you were running bleeding edge or stable, whereas with Chrome any changes they do warrant a full version number which at this rate they will be up to triple digit release numbers in no time.
But you are right that the Chromium based really didn't seem to use the numbers so the extensions didn't get shit on every time you turned around, I've been using Comodo Dragon since Version 2 and its now up to 27.2 and none of my extensions or themes have ever broke because of updates whereas the last year I was using FF it seemed like every time i turned around one of my extensions or themes was getting broken by an update,VERY irritating.
Yes I do and here is why, because when the jobs are all going temp, with 41,000 factories sent overseas since 2001, what do both parties have for talking points? Mexicans and gays, 2 things the big corps could give a wet fat fuck about!
So I'm sorry Mrs AC (seriously make a fucking account dude, it takes like 3 minutes and you can put in any bullshit you want) but just as pro wrestling has their "drama" which is in reality shit neither guy gives a rat fuck about so too is the only "differences" you are allowed to have only on shit big corps don't give a fuck about. Big corps don't give a fuck about Mexicans, they can hire illegals all day long and any bill passed won't be allowed to change that, and they could care even less about what some gay does in their bedroom.
If you want proof how rigged it REALLY is, and this is coming from someone that leans socialist and hates libertarians (I think they come in 2 flavors, one that wants a gov to whip the slaves, the other wants to hire a goon squad to do the whipping) just look up "Jon Stewart Ron Paul" to see the entire MSM in any place he was doing even slightly well turn Paul into Voldemort, Stewart even has a clip of an entire round table talking about the first,second, and FOURTH place finishers and not once do they ever even admit that third place existed! Follow that up with Alex Jones on Ron Paul, while Jones may be a nutter most of the time he has footage showing the RNC voice vote that would have allowed the Paul party to be heard had the RESULTS ON THE PROMPTER before the vote was even cast!
So I'm sorry AC, you are merely being fooled by the Kayfabe and anything that would affect the bottom line, disparities in free trade, corporate bribery of elected officials, the rising income gap, NONE of that is allowed on the table. Its like George Carlin said "You know why things never get any better no matter who you vote for? because the OWNERS want it that way!" and he was sadly 100% correct.
Uhhh...Obamacare is damned near a copy of Romneycare and BOTH were written by The Heritage Foundation. Look them up you'll see its a RIGHT WING think tank and they pretty much wrote the whole thing and Obama merely stumped for their package.
Do a little digging dude and you'll quickly find its ALL Kayfabe to get the masses like the troll above foaming, the actual so called "left leaning" shit passed under Obama was actually written by the right and the same top 0.1% make out like bandits under those policies. At the end of the day Ventura summed it up when he talked about his time in office "Its no different than pro wrestling, you have a couple of talking points that let your heel and face have something to argue about but when the camera is off they go to lunch with the same lobbyist who tells them what to pass this week".
You are correct that "meet the new boss" isn't apt alright, a MUCH better analogy would be "Bush The Sequel" because all he did was take everything Bush was for and made it bigger, nastier, and more fascist leaning, no different than how a sequel always seem to take the main beats of a movie and just amps up the action.
No the difference is one of decency and simple human kindness. I have a customer that works as a food server in a college, probably one of the most menial jobs that there is. When i was laid up for a week a couple of months back with a skull splitting migraine and I had to tell my customers i wouldn't be in for a few days i got emails from a couple of the rich ones that basically said "be in tomorrow or fuck you we'll go somewhere else"...you wanna know what I got from the lowly food server "Hey brah, sorry to hear that you are sick man, brought you some supper and a joint, that is what always helps with my headaches".
So THAT is the difference and it is all the difference in the world, the rich ones wouldn't fucking piss on you if you were on fire whereas the poor ones? Are not only grateful for the help (completely the opposite of the propaganda of worthless poor you are fed daily) but will go out of their way to repay even the smallest kindness whereas the rich just expect it because they are just soo fucking much BETTER than you, you worthless peasant piss ant.
The nice 22 inch widescreen in my apt? Was given to me free brand new by a small business owner that is lucky to break even half the time,when the guy had a fire at his home and lost everything but the clothes on his back and the backup (which I had wisely told him to keep in another location) I pulled an old P4 tower along with all the accessories and told him to not worry about it, just worry about his business and dealing with the insurance companies and when he got his insurance check just bring the box back and I'd build him another home system. When he got the check he had me build him a new system for his home office (which he insisted on paying me $100 above my price for) then asked me to go with him to our local Office Depot because he wanted to see the screens up close to get a sense of size and wasn't sure about the specs. I picked him out a nice 22 inch 1600x900 that would be the perfect fit for his home office and he bought two, well i just figured he was buying a spare. When we got to our vehicles he handed me the other one and said "I insist, you gave me a hand when I needed one and I don't forget those that treat me right".
And THAT is why I would rather work for a 1000 working poor than for a dozen rich, because i have found that simple human kindness and decency comes back five fold with the poor,with the rich you are just looked down on with contempt because you are one of THEM, not one of US, total elitist douchebaggery at its finest.
Been trying to warn folks for years that the smokers were the canaries in the coal mine but nobody listened. Look at your history folks, government ALWAYS gets bigger, NEVER smaller. Look at places like NYC telling you how big of a soda you are allowed to have and talks of sugar taxes and fat taxes, all under the "its because of healthcare" bullshit excuse.
This is one of the most wasteful governments in world history folks, we are paying for illegals, we are paying billions to third world thugs to benefit this or that big business, paying paying Uber Millionaires like David Letterman not to grow crops on the acres he bought as a tax writeoff, hell we recently got to pay close to 3 million dollars for EPA to fix a simple malware infection WITH A SHOTGUN...look it up, I'm NOT shitting you, their answer to a simple malware infection was to pay nearly a million to a "consulting" firm and when the consulting firm couldn't wave a magic wand and give them a guarantee that they could make the PCs 100% clean without a wipe they took a sledge to the PCs, the printers, even the fucking monitors...your tax dollars at work folks.
So you better start standing the fuck up for the smokers, because just as they use the "terrorist" and "pedo" magic words to pass laws they end up using to Big bro your ass so too are they using smokers to pass laws they will later use to tell you how many slices of pizza you are allowed to have or they'll tax the fuck out of you, because of "healthcare" of course. Remember the rule folks, ALWAYS bigger,NEVER smaller.
How is it a "troll" to show you are saying "My boat gets great gas mileage" when the topic is trucks? because that is EXACTLY what you did friend.,/p>
First of all, from the Sci-Linux page...SL is a Linux release put together by Fermilab, CERN, and various other labs and universities around the world. Its primary purpose is to reduce duplicated effort of the labs, and to have a common install base for the various experimenters.....Now WTF does that have to do with consumer desktops? i really wanna know how something designed for HPC particle work is relevant to this conversation.
As for CENTOS, first of all its a RIPOFF made by a company that USED to buy RHEL and then decided to rip out the trademarks and sell it on their hardware, feel free to look it up, and have you already forgotten how the entire project shut down for nearly 2 months like a year and a half a ago because ONE GUY bailed? Have you already forgotten the mad scramble as those cheapskates that had been using CENT over RHEL had to make a mad run looking for a replacement? yeah THAT is whom I wanna trust, a ripoff company that is run so shitty a single guy bails and it nearly goes tits up...nice.
And again i want to hear WTF has ANY of that got to do with consumer desktops? Last I checked RHEL was a SERVER and WORKSTATION OS, with a VERY limited focus on...surprise! Server and workstation applications, which FYI that NONE of the consumers are gonna be fucking using! Consumers DON'T BUY $1000 workstations, they DON'T USE workstation or server applications, you might as well have said "here replace that laptop with this router" for all the good that suggestion is!
At LEAST try to stay on the topic which is "consumer desktops" which HAS TO run on consumer hardware, HAS TO run programs geared towards the consumer and HAS TO be solid and reliable enough that it will last the user without needing CLI bullshit or Googling for fixes for the average life of a system, which is now 5-7 years depending on the hardware. at the end of the day your "solution" simply doesn't do the job required, no different than that guy that told me with a straight face and with all sincerity that I should move consumers onto RHEL and have them pay $300 a year support contracts so they can have the 'freedom" of running Linux...LOL.
Sadly I think that would be a paradise, but it will never be, because i have met the enemy and money is their God. for that kind of paradise to exist there would have to be a major culling of those at the top because i have met them,even worked in their homes, and the one thing they love more than their wealth is how it lets them look down upon others.
Hell look at the whole Paula Deen blowup, even the girl that started it all said it wasn't about race, it was about class, with Deen treating EVERYBODY that wasn't in her tax bracket as a nigger, no matter what the color of their skin. I have seen rich people trash practically new clothes rather than let a poor person have them, seen them have a giant catered affair and throw out a good 80% of it with a foodbank just down the road that would have been happy to take every bite, while i have met some truly nice rich people i have met way more that practically cum at the thought of those beneath them doing without, the world would be a better place without them in my opinion but to get to the utopia you describe you will have to get rid of them, they will NEVER give up being "superior" to the rest of us.
As for what would happen to those masses if such a utopia were allowed? the same thing that keeps them happy now only on a much more massive scale...virtual reality and the cyber world. after all there the ugly are beautiful, the weak are strong, like the Bruce Willis movie Surrogates they will spend most of their time living an ideal life, only there they can fly, be the hero, get the girl, nobody will give a shit that its not "real" because it will be their ultimate fantasies fulfilled.
Of course there will always be a need for guys like me, the guys that go around fixing things,but I LIKE fixing things and if doing so let people live a happier life while giving me plenty of free time for my music? Then as long as the state made sure I could get the supplies i want to make music as well as keep a roof over my head I'd be happy to keep fixing things until the end of my days. I'd just come home to my little GF who would rub my shoulders while I enjoyed her home cooking and would be quite happy, I don't need to be "above" others to be happy and would be quite content to keep right on fixing, learning a long time ago that money truly can't buy real happiness.
Funny you should mention that because my oldest, which is as "true believer" as you can get now refuses to step into ANY church because he sat there in shock as they basically proclaimed their love for Supply Side Jesus and spoke of their disdain for the poor. In one church they asked him when he was walking out why he was leaving and he said "I know this place, its the same kind of place Jesus took a whip to, you can't worship money and God in the same breath". Man what I wouldn't have given to see that!
Exactly and the troll can rant about "dumbocrats" or whatever spoonfed shit he has been handed by faux news but in reality there is ONLY ONE PARTY, and that is the pro corporate fascist party, and its been that way for a good 30 or 40 years now.
In my own state the pundits had a living shitfit over the "DINO" that kissed the corporate ass, so they ran her out...only to get a RINO that kisses the corporate ass. THAT is your choice, its not even Coke VS pepsi, its Coke in a can VS Coke in a bottle, at the end of the day the same 0.01% get the money, the same names behind the scenes, the same disparity, the same ever widening gulf between the top and everyone else.
At the end of the day I say look to the east, look at the Arab Springs for that IS our future, when those at the top have stolen the last dime they possibly can and left the poor with nothing and cut off what little aid they had THEN we shall see REAL change, as the masses rise up and hang the rich that are stupid enough not to "get to teh choppa!" from the nearest tree. This is why NO empire lasts forever, you can only tilt things so far out of alignment before the whole rotten mess comes tumbling down. I truly believe it will happen in my lifetime,maybe even within the next 20 years if the stock market bubble they have been blowing since the 80s finally pops.
Well it'll certainly be "disincentive" when they have the first double flop in the history of the company. I have already heard from customers that if they keep metro? don't bother even calling them, they are ALL gonna pass. Not that I can blame 'em, they offered nothing good with win 8 and a shitload of bad when compared to Win 7 so like my customers I'm just gonna skip it, if they offer it for $40 or less i might get a copy to run in a VM to better learn how to work on the few that cross my path but honestly every person that has walked through my door with a Win 8 machine has only wanted ONE thing, and that is for me to remove it for Win 7.
I wonder if in a few years we'll talk of "The Ballmer Effect" because i have never seen a corp just pushed right off the cliff by the CEO, he seems damned determined to either become Apple or commit corporate suicide and of course the latter is the only outcome available, as nobody is gonna pay crazy money for Windows walled gardens. I only hope that the rumor isn't true that the board can't get enough voting shares to get rid of the fat bastard because otherwise we are gonna end up losing X86 to dumb terminals like Chrome OS. I always wanted a "third way" but not by replacing one shitty company with an equally shitty company but that is what it looks like we are gonna get, all because Ballmer thinks he can become Jobs if he just acts like a big enough asshole.
If MSFT doesn't turn back when 2020 rolls around the death of Win 7 will be the death of MSFT, because from what I'm seeing those "100 million licenses sold" are being thrown in the trash, with every shop going "Look we have Windows 7 here!". I know I won't be carrying win 8.1, learned that lesson with win 8 when folks would buy a system with half the power just because it had Win 7 instead of 8,not gonna waste space on a product people don't want.
If you think Obama is a D I have some swampland in Florida you might be interested in, what we have is simply Bush's third and fourth term which is how those at the top wanted it to go.
I mean do you honestly think its a coincidence that Obama supported every jack booted policy that Bush supported, increased spying, increased drone strikes, and pretty much ended up more right wing than the right wing itself? He cashed the check and read from the cue card just like the last guy and the guy before that and so on for several decades now.
There is a REASON why no matter who is in the white house Goldman Sachs is running the fed, why a handful of guys on Wall Street can gamble like its Las Vegas and when they lose we get told they're "too big to fail" and why no matter who you vote for things NEVER get better, only worse. If you honestly and truly believe the right wing gives a flying piss about you when you are not one of the 0.01% I hate to break the news to ya, but they don't and neither does the so called "left".
Every time i see a rant like yours I'm reminded of the late great Bill Hicks "Well I believe the puppet on the left shares MY beliefs! Well I believe the puppet on the right has MY interests at heart....hey wait a minute, there is one guy working both puppets!". There is a reason why all empires fall friend and you are seeing it right before your eyes, those at the top always become too greedy and tilt things so badly out of alignment that the whole thing comes crashing down.
And I hate to say it but being in the trenches i can say its true, the reason is Obamacare which i said before it passed was gonna be a disaster, and wadda ya know? it is.
What we NEEDED was a single payer option and caps on the crazy drug and insurance prices, what we GOT is practically a love letter to those same drug and insurance companies so all the businesses are just making everybody short timers. in the past few months i don't think I've had a single customer under 40 that is getting full time anymore, they ALL have been cut to less than 30. this is really hurting a lot of families and i expect to see disability and food stamp rolls explode as folks scrabble to get on the dole just to survive.
So don't buy the bullshit they are selling on the coasts folks, here in the heartland I can tell you things are pretty fucking bad. I have a feeling we are gonna be seeing a "dead kid and old folk" summer as the weaker kids drop and the old folks cook because their families can no longer pay the bill for the AC thanks to being put on short time, everything from construction to services are either letting folks go and replacing with short timers or are just making sure no employee gets above 30 but in both cases its really hurting the working poor folks, its really getting bad here in the flyover states.
This is what I have been arguing for years, capitalism, like communism and every other ism that came before MUST die, simply because technology will make all but a handful of super geniuses that invent new machines pointless.
I have no doubt many that are being born today will NEVER have a job simply because their labor just isn't required, giant farms with machines run by GPS will do the production with but a handful of workers, likewise RFID will make most of the retail jobs pointless as you'll just push a cart through a scanner and it will be totaled up, even construction will probably go the way of the 8-track as the costs for natural resources will make prefabrication of energy efficient homes the best and most affordable choice.
The only question to me is whether capitalism will die a peaceful death like the old USSR with communism, or go down in a bloody war to the death as fascism did in the 1940s. I certainly hope its the former but considering how entrenched the greedy are at the top and how PMCs are giving those with money access to armies that frankly rival many countries? i have a nasty feeling it'll end up full scale class warfare before its all over and capitalism finally is laid to rest as the relic from the past it is quickly becoming.
I think it was Nicholas Meyer (of Star Trek II fame) who said "art thrives on limitations" and time and again we have seen that, you get a big budget and you go overboard and end up with a mess. Maybe in the future others will learn and set some sort of upper limit on their kickstarter?
Riiiight, so if you ONLY buy high end workstations that are ONLY gonna run a niche Linux that is ONLY designed for laboratory work then and ONLY then it will work great....now explain how in the fuck is that supposed to have a damned thing to do with consumer desktops, which was what the whole damned thread was about?
You see THIS is what i hate about geeks in general and FOSSies in particular, they think that just because they run some ultra niche OS designed for some job that less than 3% of the people on the planet EVER do, that means their experience applies to all. Well i have been working computer retail for nearly a quarter century pal and I can tell you that 99.995% of the people are never gonna be running CERN applications so Sci-Linux is worthless to them. Hell you might as well talk about how great eComstation works in high freq trading apps for as much as it has to do with normal folks.
Noooo, its like saying "we already have language so there is no need for cryptography, we can just add Pig Latin onto regular language and it'll be good enough".
You can bolt shit on all damned day but you can't turn a Brewster Buffalo into a mach 3 fighter, and likewise you can bolt shit on all damned day long but you aren't gonna take a thing that was never meant to be used by millions and never designed with even the slightest bit of security in mind into a truly locked down and secure system, because to do so you'll have to rip out so much of the old shit backwards compatibility will be thrown out the window and you might as well start over.
Hell I got an even better example...has everybody forgotten how the plans for Marine 1 (the POTUS personal chopper) ended up on fricking P2P already?
As somebody who used to work corporate i can say that a LOT of the so called "high level access" stuff is frankly pretty damned easy for somebody on the inside, especially somebody in IT, to get access to. Never forget folks how damned easy it is to become complacent in an org, you see the same guy day after day and people automatically assume "well i'm sure he has a reason" and goes on about their business. I used to have a bud that worked IT in the military and he told me the same thing, he'd get hassled here or there by some BOFH but soon enough he had a superior that got tired of him calling with this or that problem and would just rubber stamp anything he said so that he wouldn't be bothered anymore.
With any large org you get bureaucratic bullshit and you quickly learn how to get around as much as possible just so you can do your damned job, I have no doubt if Snowden was there for more than a year he already knew how to run the maze and bypass the bullshit, you really have to just to do your job in a big org, at least that is what i found to be the case.