Wow...ouch. Thanks for the heads up, I knew they were having bandwidth problems (the net is filled with advice and tutorials on getting the absolute fastest memory your Brazos or Liano will take because it seriously boosts performance, which I can attest to when I swapped the stock 1066 for 1333 in my Brazos netbook) but I hadn't thought ahead to what it would take to feed an 8 core AND a GPU on the same die...ouch.
But that just proves my point though, that in any place other than mobile situations it is a DUMB idea. It works in mobile because battery life is king and by being able to shut down a good portion of the GPU and FP when you are just doing basic web surfing you cut down on both power and heat, while still having the ability to activate the GPU when you wanna watch that video on the bus or use your netbook over HDMI as a media tank.
The problem is what works in mobile does NOT work in desktop and server, its different use cases. And in desktop and server roles as the link you provided shows (thanks again, good read) the bandwidth problem takes an otherwise powerful unit and gimps the living hell out of it. Since we know they will have to have even more powerful parts to compete with Intel that means by using the GPU as the FP the bandwidth is just gonna get worse, as now you have both the more powerful GPU AND a multicore CPU both fighting over a seriously limited pipe...ouch again.
Yeah...no bones about it the APU design for anything other than laptops and basic office boxes is a BAD design.
Oh I believe you friend, I remember doing a WinNT 3.5 floppy install and I think it was like 42 or 43 floppies, just nuts. the kids today don't realize how truly nutty it had gotten with the floppies right before the CD took off, we had 17 floppies for Win95, someone else posted Office 4.2 took something like 40 floppies for a full install, Banyan took a couple of dozen, your Slackware took 40...it was insanity.
I remember at the shop I was working at the time we had these giant filing cabinets just filled with row after row after row of floppy boxes with various OSes and software marked on the top. This is why we were practically dancing with joy when the first CD burners got released, even though the discs were high and the burning software would get flaky, just because the amount of damned floppies we had to deal with on a daily basis was like some bad parody.
Jesus Tap Dancing Christ...40 floppies? Are you serious? 40? Damn and I thought we had it bad with Win95 and the 15-17 floppies we had to deal with but....daaaamn, that must have been like the fifth circle of hell or something, what with all the swapping and the practical guarantee that one towards the end would fail and hose the whole thing. I wouldn't wish a 40 floppy install on my worst enemy!
Problem is women are more fucked up biologically than men, period. Now before the few females here have a shitfit, hear me out. In today's society the "Alpha male" is the one you do NOT want, they screw around thus bringing the risk of possibly deadly STDs, they don't provide for the female thus leaving her and the offspring in worse shape, and they are more prone to violence thus putting her and the potential offspring in danger.
But what do we see? Women lined up to buy books like "How to tame the bad boy" and "bad boys and the women that love them" like you can reset the male like he's just got a switch that needs flipping! Let me make this perfectly clear women...men? We really aren't that fucking hard to figure out, we really aren't. We really were never good at manipulation anyway so when a man tries its hamhanded and sloppy, so with men what you see? What you get.
At least with us guys are drives are as simple as we are. Some like big titties, some like a nice ass, some like nice legs, and most of us like a woman that can make something to eat and don't bitch constantly. Again simple and predictable is the male.
So if women are happier it has to be a "delusional crazy woman" gene, because I have seen women in truly shitastic relationships that just smile away, they are just sure they are gonna "fix" him like a 75 Dodge that needs a rebuild. If guys aren't as happy its simply because we don't lie to ourselves, that all. And again like deception our self lies are as hamhanded and unbelievable as Will Shatner's rug, so naturally even we don't buy it.
How does it defeat the point? Does Apple say you can't run ports? Does Apple slap you if you don't use the appstore?
Man, you just gotta love the irony. Everyone bitched in the 90s about all you had was shitty Win9X, so Jobs brings Nextstep, an actual Unix system to the masses, and now here we are with a 300+ post just bitching away because there is...gasp!...choice in the market, because its not YOUR choice.
But you see that is the great thing about the free market, don't like it? I'm sure System76 will be more than happy to custom build you a Linux laptop or desktop, hell you may even save a few bucks and will be supporting the product you want to succeed. We've never had more choice in our lives, your average x86 unit can run anything from BSD to Haiku, even mobile we now have various flavors of droid,blackberry,iOS, and windows.
So if Apple doesn't measure up then why are you using it?
And if you look at the reviews you'll also see that doing video transcoding on the GPU? Really kinda shoddy. Every test I've seen had some okay, some lousy, but none of them did as good a picture quality or as small a file size as pure CPU.
This is why I'm happy with with my Thuban, 6 cores let me chew through transcodes without any trouble and with great picture quality. While I'm all for using GPUs for decode, my E350 really saves battery life by using the GPU, but transcodes? The tech just isn't there yet.
Funny but Dragon has always been smooth as butter for me, but remember there is other browsers based on Gecko, Pale Moon and IceDragon just to name two.
And they can waste mod points all they want but not 15 minutes after i first posted about FF's senior moments being CPU slams I updated it to 15, what happened? By the third tab I saw senior moments, especially when browsing through my bookmarks. Seriously WTF? Slamming the CPU to 100% just going through the bookmarks? I have the exact same bookmarks in Dragon and I can slide through the list all day, never a senior moment, not one. I even tried killing the extensions and it STILL had senior moments.
As it is I'll still be handing Dragon out to customers, because I can't recommend FF on anything less than a 3GHz multicore, and certainly not on laptops. All those CPU slams just kills battery life , I get nearly an hour more on my EEE netbook by sticking with Dragon over FF.
They can waste modpoints all they want but that doesn't change reality. The original poster was claiming that this new FOSS codec could take share from the likes of H.264, MP3, and AAC, and I rightly pointed out that was bullshit. I also pointed out that there is a low latency niche that this codec COULD fill, but he was claiming it would end up on every PMP and other consumer devices.
Now YOU know and I know that's bullshit, didn't happen with Vorbis, or Theora, or WebM, its not gonna happen here with Opus, why? Apple, simple as that. Look at how all it took was Steve Jobs saying "Flash sucks!" and the world and its dog tripped over themselves to shit on Flash and embrace HTML V5, even though its not done, doesn't work in half the uses that Flash covered, and is a resource piggy.
Hell the only reason DivX and MP3 are being replaced now is because of Cupertino, like MSFT in the 90s what Apple says is law because there are too many iPads and iPods and iPhones out there and those with the content would be shooting themselves in the face if they didn't support them.
Look I wish it were different, I really do. One place where i think proprietary really doesn't belong is the web, and I'm old enough to remember how shitty the web was when you had to deal with a dozen plugins just to surf thanks to so many proprietary codecs. But I'm not gonna poke my eyes out and drink the koolaid which is what you'd have to do to believe that Opus has a snowball's chance in hell of unseating MP3 and AAC on media players without Apple's blessing. If it won't run natively on the iPad? it won't sell, simple as that.
Pedantic BS friend, because anybody that would have a damned clue what X86 meant would know what X64 is. Either you're knowledgeable or you're not, kinda an either or there. Anybody who knows anything about chips doesn't need to have the entire history lesson given to them because they know what X86 means, there is no point in the rest. By that same token anyone that knows anything about chips will know that X64 means a 64bit CPU that is backwards compatible with X86, just as IA64 means Itanic.
Hi fellow Thuban user! I have the 1035T and my oldest has the 1045T and like you I got some crazy OCing when I first got it (I ended up with 3.5GHz with 3.9GHz turbo) before going back to stock because even at 2.6Ghz it just mows through everything.
What I really love is the TurboCore, with my Asrock board I can tweak to my hearts content but even at stock settings with TC I'm getting a little over 3GHz when gaming thanks to most games using 3 cores or less. No muss, no fuss, it just kicks it in automatically when I need the single threaded boost. And with the N520 cooler, which I paid a grand total of $30 for, it stays around 8 degrees above room temp idle and never hits above 127F even when the cores are being pounded. When you can keep a chip that cool with just a $30 heatpipe cooler and arctic silver what's not to like?
What did it for me though was like you how much I could save while still having damned good performance. I have 2 teen boys that also game so I try to keep us pretty close to parity and when you can grab a complete 6 core kit for $345 and that's BEFORE the MIR gives you another $30 off? It was a no brainer. I got myself the Thuban, gave the youngest my X4 925, which considering he prefers MMOs is frankly overkill, while the oldest ended up with a kit I just like I linked to given to him by his grandpa as a back to school present before I could grab it for him.
All told for THREE systems, with the family pack of Win 7 HP X64 and 3 HD 4850 GPUs? $1400 before the MIRs, after I got those back all told it was around $390 a system. You just can't beat that and all the games we play run just beautiful at the 1600x900 res our screens run on. In a year to a year and a half I'll pick up some 6770s or 6850s when they drop to the $50 price range and make my money back on the 4850s off of CL. With two hexas and a quad we couldn't be happier, the kids gaming and movies, my gaming and transcoding along with multitrack audio editing? We have tons of cycles to spare.
So I have to agree, what's the point when these systems already can tear through anything we care to do at half the price of a similar Intel unit?
In ANY case, which your description does make sense, the problem is NOT with GloFlo but squarely with AMD.
If they would have let MSFT in on the idea from the start (and no point not telling them, it isn't like Intel was gonna gut their superior performing Core line to completely re-engineer their chips to steal an AMD idea) then they could have written the scheduler to recognize the AMD chips and treat them as modules instead of cores but they kept MSFT in the dark and now frankly everyone is getting punished because if you want a fully functional chip on XP, Vista, or 7 you should avoid AMD like the clap.
Personally I thought the whole idea was retarded except for the mobile chips like Brazos, on the desktop the idea was completely stupid and on the server even more so. For those that don't know the original plan was to go "Full APU" and have the GPU take the place of the FP on chip, which would be a much simpler and weaker design than in years past thus freeing up more TDP for more cores. Why is this dumb? Well what if you want to use the GPU AND do some floating point heavy task? Or what if you don't want the integrated GPU because you can't OC worth a crap with the GPU built in?
Frankly the ONLY place that would have been a really good idea is Brazos, because you could then use the die space to have a quad core APU that would use very little power when not doing FP heavy tasks yet would still have excellent multimedia capability thanks to the powerful GPU taking up the slack. Instead the braintrust at AMD killed the replacement for Brazos, instead going for the usual minor speed up thanks to die shrink. That is completely moronic as Brazos was selling as fast as they could crank them out and even today you still see laptops up to 15 inch using Brazos, so a quad Brazos II that used less than 17w under load and got great multimedia and even okay gaming would have been a slam dunk, and instead they bet it all on BD arch which unless they pull off a miracle may be their very own Netburst. Whereas Netburst was clock above all the BD design is cores above all and in both cases just bad design.
I'm sure AMD fanboys will have a shitfit but this is from someone who owns not a single Intel unit, my netbook is Brazos, my Office box is a Sempron nettop, and I'm typing this on my Thuban home machine. So I WANT AMD to succeed, I really really do. I remember what it was like when Intel had a monopoly and it wasn't good for anybody. After all if it wasn't for Athlon64 giving Intel a spanking we'd probably have 8GHz Netburst space heaters right now. But if AMD is gonna survive they are gonna have to do better, simple as that. I truly hope that the new chip designer they lured away from Apple can give them a kick ass design, because there really isn't a selling point for BD right now. It sucks more power, is more expensive, gets less performance than Thuban which can be had for MUCH cheaper, and it doesn't work well with anything but Windows "Hai I Iz A Smartphone LOL" 8, which looks to be as big a bomb as Vista or even Bob.
What was "fun" was some of the later OS installs that came on floppies. Anybody remember how many floppies Win95 took? And it never failed that one of the floppies, usually one of those needed at the very end, wouldn't work.
Still I remember how excited I was when I got my first CD burner...no more floppies yay! And I could overburn too! I for one was damned glad when floppies finally bought the farm, I always seemed to end up with the damned discs dead and my data toast, no matter how much I babied the stupid things.
What is wrong with just x64? We had x86 for years and now we're all using x64 chips, whether our OSes are 64bit or not. Its short, simple, and to the point.
Meh, if you are building yourself a new system it should last for years, therefor spending a few extra bucks on the board at build time is well worth it.
I'd suggest an Asrock board as they have all the nice features and their XFast USB really does kick up the speeds on your USB 2 sticks and their OC Tuner software is nice and simple to use. Really great boards all around.
In the end its a whole $34 more than the ones you posted but has Crossfire support, double the RAM slots, plenty of SATA slots and S'PDIF, its just a nicer board and if you are gonna have a machine for years I'd say its worth the $34 to have more upgrade options down the line.
Ya know what? Nothing wrong with cheap and "good enough" the problem has been their new designs are cheap and shitty thanks to that lame "half core" they went for.
You take a good 85%+ of the people out there and a MOR AMD Deneb quad will frankly be twiddling its thumbs because it will blow through any jobs that they have, even gaming, even more so for Thuban. And their Brazos chips were fricking great, an APU designed for mobile video and basic tasks that got great battery life while often being cheaper than an Atom+ION setup.
I've sold many an Athlon II and Phenom II and the people are damned happy with them, they just blast through everything they want to do with plenty of cycles left over. I even put my money where my mouth is with regards to my family, me and the oldest are gaming on Thubans while the youngest took my Deneb, and they blow through any game we throw at 'em.
I see from TFA they've partially dropped the "half core" design but I can only hope that with Piledriver they'll drive a stake through it, as most of the people I've talked to Win 8 is a DO NOT WANT yet the half core scheduler bug is only fixed in Win 8. Meh, hopefully I'll still be able to get enough Thuban, Deneb, and Liano chips to get me through the whole BD/SR phase and the new Apple chip designer they hired will give us another Athlon64. One can hope after all.
Not to mention there is a BIG rotting elephant in the room that nobody is talking about which is this: If you don't like Windows 8? You're screwed if you buy a new AMD chip. You see the braintrust at AMD didn't bother to keep MSFT in the loop about what they were cooking up with their "half core" design and now that BD and soon SR will be out there MSFT has made it clear that the scheduler bug is a WILL NOT FIX except in Windows 8.
So if you run XP, Vista, or Windows 7 with one of the new AMD chips you either have to disable half the cores or Windows will treat it as hyperthreading and tie a nice boat anchor to your new chip. This is why you can disable half the modules (thus making them like a traditional chip) and your benches will go UP and not down, because Windows doesn't know WTF to do with such a strange CPU, just as it didn't know what to do with the first hyperthreaded chips. This is also why the Thubans will win in most benches against the BD chips, even though BD has more cores, because Windows doesn't know about the half cores and how to schedule them properly.
I just hope the new chip designer they hired away from Apple can do some good and come up with another truly great design, because otherwise AMD is stuck with a chip that will only run correctly on an OS that looks to be the most hated Windows since MS Bob.
As someone who has put my money where my mouth is and not built a single Intel PC since the bribery and compiler rigging came out I've been sticking with AM3 but its getting harder and harder, and since my customers aren't going to Windows 8 I may have to start looking at Intel again. After all who is gonna want to buy a system that has to get stuck with Win 8 just to have it run correctly?
That is why I always compare hardcore religion with brainwashing, because with both you could stick their nose into the evidence like sticking a puppy's nose in its mess and they still will just close their minds to even the POSSIBILITY that they could be even the slightest bit wrong.
Look if someone wants to look at those old stories as just that, little morality tales from a long gone era, no different than Hercules or any other of the ancient stories? I have NO problem with that, nor do i have a problem with people so afraid of their own mortality that they have to believe in something after death just to keep from being depressed.
What I DO have a problem with is those that try to force those ancient stories upon everyone else, to ban or hide anything that contradicts those ancient stories, and to punish anyone that refuses to live their life the way some goat herder said they should 1800+ years ago. People that try to force creationism or young earth into classrooms because goat herders in ancient times couldn't even process the idea of millions of years are to me no different than Scientology and their crazy Xenu story, both are a little too cultish for me to stomach. And I have to agree with the science guy on this one because I've seen with my own eyes once indoctrinated to believe that kind of stuff they'll just try to make the facts fit their beliefs which is the complete opposite of good science.
Not to mention correlation does not equal causation so we have no idea if the men they chose had other factors that weren't considered.
Hell the wiki on correlation has a medical study that said women that take birth control were at less risk for heart disease but a further study showed those women actually had a HIGHER risk but since they were from a higher socioeconomic group than the women without birth control it was the much better diet and exercise habits that skewed the results.So I'd say before we can give an answer either way further more controlled studies should be done.
And finally I have to wonder how much of the problem isn't western taboos about talking to kids about their genitals. Lets face it like any other part of the body children need to be taught to clean the area correctly and thoroughly but we here in the west are so hung on the idea that little John or Jane may actually play with themselves I seriously doubt any of the kids were being givern a proper education in such matters.
Yeah no shit, not to mention jury selection can often "weed out" those with brains. There is a good reason why the old joke is "a jury is 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty" because you can get some doozys in a jury trial. I won't post the entire story but my mom hung a jury for 2 weeks before the judge finally let them go because the rest of the jury thought all Italians were in the mob like "Goodfellas".
So I can see the point of this argument, hell many of us have been total nerds for decades but how many of us are familiar enough with patent law to be able to weed out the bullshit from the truth in a case THIS huge?
Because I live in a state filled with natural unspoiled beauty and wish to share it? Its not like it would take the average person more than 3 seconds to crop the fam out of the edge of a pic of this beautiful waterfall or them pointing at some incredible mountain drop and I'm fine by that.
But in the end this only affects COMMERCIAL projects, if you wanted to publish my photos on some website showing scenic views? Knock thyself out, but I don't want anything I take being used for profit without the simple fucking common courtesy of a 3 minute email.
This is what amazes me about the whole argument, the unmitigated gall. Nobody owes you shit, don't like it? Go away. if you are too damned lazy to rattle off a 3 minute email asking "Hey man, can I use this?" then frankly you don't deserve it anyway. Some people, I swear any courtesy left in this country ought to be treated like its a superpower.
Yeah they won't last, they'll be replaced by the next proprietary standard, most likely something based on MP4 for audio (AAC V2 perhaps?) and H.265 for video. In the low latency niche, which is just that, a small niche, then it MIGHT have a shot if it isn't buried by the trolls.
But until you can get Cupertino onboard you are pissing in the wind pal, hell the reason other "standards" replaced DivX and MP3 is because the fruit company said so. If it don't play on an iPad you are fucked buddy, simple as that. And this is from someone that never has and most likely never will own an Apple product, but I'm not blind and can see which way the wind is blowing and that's to Cupertino. MSFT will be a good little copycat and implement whatever Apple does, that covers more than 96% of the market right there.
It was a nice dream dude, but web developers fucked us raw by tripping over themselves to jump on the Apple bandwagon and now they are simply too big in media to be stopped, just give it up Chuck.
First of all that is the higher specc'd gamer memory, a lot of borards simply won't run that, and $10 less than $100 is still close enough to be in the "not practical" and also ignores the fact that DDR3 only took off in the last year and a half so many boards that are still doing great are DDR2 which is insane for anything larger than 2Gb. Finally you'll also have to figure an OS upgrade into that, since most machines come with Home which supports a MAX of 16Gb including VRAM, so you won't be able to use around 1.2Gb of that until you spend the $140 to upgrade to pro.
But I've seen FF slap swap like a pimp slapping his ho enough times to know there is something wrong there. I have left Dragon, Chrome, Opera, Safari, and Kmeleon open for days at a time and when I come back they are using the same amount of RAM they were when I left, not so with FF. Not running any rare or bizarre extensions either, just the standard ABP and NoScript that everyone here always says to run.
Nooo..it's because like everything else they do heavy ham handed force by the government causes unforeseen consequences!
Ever wonder where the SUV came from, or why small trucks were replaced by monster V8s? Well wonder no more, it came from CAFE standards! You see in the 70s we had these things called "station wagons" as well as light trucks based on cars. These wagons were perfect for your soccer mom types and the car-trucks were perfect for those that just needed to be able to haul a little furniture or lumber on the weekends. Then along came CAFE that made it practically impossible to build those vehicles anymore but guess what? Work trucks had an exemption! See where this is going?
You can't force people to drive what they don't want at the barrel of a gun or the barrel of a pen, its as simple as that. gas goes up? More people that can buy smaller cars, less buy bigger cars, and the market changes to give them what they want. I wish I could find the link to the money matters video where one of the guys from Kelley's Blue Book spent all damned day trying to get something so obvious through the heads of congress critters. he brought charts and graphs and sale figures showing that the American public saw those itty bitty cracker boxes as a DO NOT WANT and were buying vehicles MUCH larger than they needed, simply because the regulations were making sure there was nothing in between. the critters answer? "Well how do we make them take it?" arrgh!
Nope not just you, been warning my customers for years to stay the hell away from Lexmark because their inkjets were just garbage. bad prints, smudging, jamming, real bottom o' the barrel junk and the ink prices were just nuts. I try to steer them to a Samsung laser if i can, if i can't then a Canon or Epson inkjet, but never Lexmark, they are just designed for the dump.
Dude seriously? Give it up already. I was one of those that cheered and rooted for the idea of open codecs but we lost so just accept it. Trying to claim an open codec at this stage of the game still has a chance is like claiming Ron Paul can still get the nomination, it just ain't happening.
Whether you and I like it or not audio is AAC or MP3, video is H.264 and that is that. Unless you can get Apple to back it (fat fucking chance) nobody is gonna give a shit so like Vorbis and Theora and WebM its gonna be a niche also ran and there isn't a damned thing we can do about it because the people and the press are tripping over themselves in praise of the iDevices.
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Wow...ouch. Thanks for the heads up, I knew they were having bandwidth problems (the net is filled with advice and tutorials on getting the absolute fastest memory your Brazos or Liano will take because it seriously boosts performance, which I can attest to when I swapped the stock 1066 for 1333 in my Brazos netbook) but I hadn't thought ahead to what it would take to feed an 8 core AND a GPU on the same die...ouch.
But that just proves my point though, that in any place other than mobile situations it is a DUMB idea. It works in mobile because battery life is king and by being able to shut down a good portion of the GPU and FP when you are just doing basic web surfing you cut down on both power and heat, while still having the ability to activate the GPU when you wanna watch that video on the bus or use your netbook over HDMI as a media tank.
The problem is what works in mobile does NOT work in desktop and server, its different use cases. And in desktop and server roles as the link you provided shows (thanks again, good read) the bandwidth problem takes an otherwise powerful unit and gimps the living hell out of it. Since we know they will have to have even more powerful parts to compete with Intel that means by using the GPU as the FP the bandwidth is just gonna get worse, as now you have both the more powerful GPU AND a multicore CPU both fighting over a seriously limited pipe...ouch again.
Yeah...no bones about it the APU design for anything other than laptops and basic office boxes is a BAD design.
Oh I believe you friend, I remember doing a WinNT 3.5 floppy install and I think it was like 42 or 43 floppies, just nuts. the kids today don't realize how truly nutty it had gotten with the floppies right before the CD took off, we had 17 floppies for Win95, someone else posted Office 4.2 took something like 40 floppies for a full install, Banyan took a couple of dozen, your Slackware took 40...it was insanity.
I remember at the shop I was working at the time we had these giant filing cabinets just filled with row after row after row of floppy boxes with various OSes and software marked on the top. This is why we were practically dancing with joy when the first CD burners got released, even though the discs were high and the burning software would get flaky, just because the amount of damned floppies we had to deal with on a daily basis was like some bad parody.
Jesus Tap Dancing Christ...40 floppies? Are you serious? 40? Damn and I thought we had it bad with Win95 and the 15-17 floppies we had to deal with but....daaaamn, that must have been like the fifth circle of hell or something, what with all the swapping and the practical guarantee that one towards the end would fail and hose the whole thing. I wouldn't wish a 40 floppy install on my worst enemy!
Problem is women are more fucked up biologically than men, period. Now before the few females here have a shitfit, hear me out. In today's society the "Alpha male" is the one you do NOT want, they screw around thus bringing the risk of possibly deadly STDs, they don't provide for the female thus leaving her and the offspring in worse shape, and they are more prone to violence thus putting her and the potential offspring in danger.
But what do we see? Women lined up to buy books like "How to tame the bad boy" and "bad boys and the women that love them" like you can reset the male like he's just got a switch that needs flipping! Let me make this perfectly clear women...men? We really aren't that fucking hard to figure out, we really aren't. We really were never good at manipulation anyway so when a man tries its hamhanded and sloppy, so with men what you see? What you get.
At least with us guys are drives are as simple as we are. Some like big titties, some like a nice ass, some like nice legs, and most of us like a woman that can make something to eat and don't bitch constantly. Again simple and predictable is the male.
So if women are happier it has to be a "delusional crazy woman" gene, because I have seen women in truly shitastic relationships that just smile away, they are just sure they are gonna "fix" him like a 75 Dodge that needs a rebuild. If guys aren't as happy its simply because we don't lie to ourselves, that all. And again like deception our self lies are as hamhanded and unbelievable as Will Shatner's rug, so naturally even we don't buy it.
How does it defeat the point? Does Apple say you can't run ports? Does Apple slap you if you don't use the appstore?
Man, you just gotta love the irony. Everyone bitched in the 90s about all you had was shitty Win9X, so Jobs brings Nextstep, an actual Unix system to the masses, and now here we are with a 300+ post just bitching away because there is...gasp!...choice in the market, because its not YOUR choice.
But you see that is the great thing about the free market, don't like it? I'm sure System76 will be more than happy to custom build you a Linux laptop or desktop, hell you may even save a few bucks and will be supporting the product you want to succeed. We've never had more choice in our lives, your average x86 unit can run anything from BSD to Haiku, even mobile we now have various flavors of droid,blackberry,iOS, and windows.
So if Apple doesn't measure up then why are you using it?
And if you look at the reviews you'll also see that doing video transcoding on the GPU? Really kinda shoddy. Every test I've seen had some okay, some lousy, but none of them did as good a picture quality or as small a file size as pure CPU.
This is why I'm happy with with my Thuban, 6 cores let me chew through transcodes without any trouble and with great picture quality. While I'm all for using GPUs for decode, my E350 really saves battery life by using the GPU, but transcodes? The tech just isn't there yet.
Funny but Dragon has always been smooth as butter for me, but remember there is other browsers based on Gecko, Pale Moon and IceDragon just to name two.
And they can waste mod points all they want but not 15 minutes after i first posted about FF's senior moments being CPU slams I updated it to 15, what happened? By the third tab I saw senior moments, especially when browsing through my bookmarks. Seriously WTF? Slamming the CPU to 100% just going through the bookmarks? I have the exact same bookmarks in Dragon and I can slide through the list all day, never a senior moment, not one. I even tried killing the extensions and it STILL had senior moments.
As it is I'll still be handing Dragon out to customers, because I can't recommend FF on anything less than a 3GHz multicore, and certainly not on laptops. All those CPU slams just kills battery life , I get nearly an hour more on my EEE netbook by sticking with Dragon over FF.
They can waste modpoints all they want but that doesn't change reality. The original poster was claiming that this new FOSS codec could take share from the likes of H.264, MP3, and AAC, and I rightly pointed out that was bullshit. I also pointed out that there is a low latency niche that this codec COULD fill, but he was claiming it would end up on every PMP and other consumer devices.
Now YOU know and I know that's bullshit, didn't happen with Vorbis, or Theora, or WebM, its not gonna happen here with Opus, why? Apple, simple as that. Look at how all it took was Steve Jobs saying "Flash sucks!" and the world and its dog tripped over themselves to shit on Flash and embrace HTML V5, even though its not done, doesn't work in half the uses that Flash covered, and is a resource piggy.
Hell the only reason DivX and MP3 are being replaced now is because of Cupertino, like MSFT in the 90s what Apple says is law because there are too many iPads and iPods and iPhones out there and those with the content would be shooting themselves in the face if they didn't support them.
Look I wish it were different, I really do. One place where i think proprietary really doesn't belong is the web, and I'm old enough to remember how shitty the web was when you had to deal with a dozen plugins just to surf thanks to so many proprietary codecs. But I'm not gonna poke my eyes out and drink the koolaid which is what you'd have to do to believe that Opus has a snowball's chance in hell of unseating MP3 and AAC on media players without Apple's blessing. If it won't run natively on the iPad? it won't sell, simple as that.
Pedantic BS friend, because anybody that would have a damned clue what X86 meant would know what X64 is. Either you're knowledgeable or you're not, kinda an either or there. Anybody who knows anything about chips doesn't need to have the entire history lesson given to them because they know what X86 means, there is no point in the rest. By that same token anyone that knows anything about chips will know that X64 means a 64bit CPU that is backwards compatible with X86, just as IA64 means Itanic.
Hi fellow Thuban user! I have the 1035T and my oldest has the 1045T and like you I got some crazy OCing when I first got it (I ended up with 3.5GHz with 3.9GHz turbo) before going back to stock because even at 2.6Ghz it just mows through everything.
What I really love is the TurboCore, with my Asrock board I can tweak to my hearts content but even at stock settings with TC I'm getting a little over 3GHz when gaming thanks to most games using 3 cores or less. No muss, no fuss, it just kicks it in automatically when I need the single threaded boost. And with the N520 cooler, which I paid a grand total of $30 for, it stays around 8 degrees above room temp idle and never hits above 127F even when the cores are being pounded. When you can keep a chip that cool with just a $30 heatpipe cooler and arctic silver what's not to like?
What did it for me though was like you how much I could save while still having damned good performance. I have 2 teen boys that also game so I try to keep us pretty close to parity and when you can grab a complete 6 core kit for $345 and that's BEFORE the MIR gives you another $30 off? It was a no brainer. I got myself the Thuban, gave the youngest my X4 925, which considering he prefers MMOs is frankly overkill, while the oldest ended up with a kit I just like I linked to given to him by his grandpa as a back to school present before I could grab it for him.
All told for THREE systems, with the family pack of Win 7 HP X64 and 3 HD 4850 GPUs? $1400 before the MIRs, after I got those back all told it was around $390 a system. You just can't beat that and all the games we play run just beautiful at the 1600x900 res our screens run on. In a year to a year and a half I'll pick up some 6770s or 6850s when they drop to the $50 price range and make my money back on the 4850s off of CL. With two hexas and a quad we couldn't be happier, the kids gaming and movies, my gaming and transcoding along with multitrack audio editing? We have tons of cycles to spare.
So I have to agree, what's the point when these systems already can tear through anything we care to do at half the price of a similar Intel unit?
In ANY case, which your description does make sense, the problem is NOT with GloFlo but squarely with AMD.
If they would have let MSFT in on the idea from the start (and no point not telling them, it isn't like Intel was gonna gut their superior performing Core line to completely re-engineer their chips to steal an AMD idea) then they could have written the scheduler to recognize the AMD chips and treat them as modules instead of cores but they kept MSFT in the dark and now frankly everyone is getting punished because if you want a fully functional chip on XP, Vista, or 7 you should avoid AMD like the clap.
Personally I thought the whole idea was retarded except for the mobile chips like Brazos, on the desktop the idea was completely stupid and on the server even more so. For those that don't know the original plan was to go "Full APU" and have the GPU take the place of the FP on chip, which would be a much simpler and weaker design than in years past thus freeing up more TDP for more cores. Why is this dumb? Well what if you want to use the GPU AND do some floating point heavy task? Or what if you don't want the integrated GPU because you can't OC worth a crap with the GPU built in?
Frankly the ONLY place that would have been a really good idea is Brazos, because you could then use the die space to have a quad core APU that would use very little power when not doing FP heavy tasks yet would still have excellent multimedia capability thanks to the powerful GPU taking up the slack. Instead the braintrust at AMD killed the replacement for Brazos, instead going for the usual minor speed up thanks to die shrink. That is completely moronic as Brazos was selling as fast as they could crank them out and even today you still see laptops up to 15 inch using Brazos, so a quad Brazos II that used less than 17w under load and got great multimedia and even okay gaming would have been a slam dunk, and instead they bet it all on BD arch which unless they pull off a miracle may be their very own Netburst. Whereas Netburst was clock above all the BD design is cores above all and in both cases just bad design.
I'm sure AMD fanboys will have a shitfit but this is from someone who owns not a single Intel unit, my netbook is Brazos, my Office box is a Sempron nettop, and I'm typing this on my Thuban home machine. So I WANT AMD to succeed, I really really do. I remember what it was like when Intel had a monopoly and it wasn't good for anybody. After all if it wasn't for Athlon64 giving Intel a spanking we'd probably have 8GHz Netburst space heaters right now. But if AMD is gonna survive they are gonna have to do better, simple as that. I truly hope that the new chip designer they lured away from Apple can give them a kick ass design, because there really isn't a selling point for BD right now. It sucks more power, is more expensive, gets less performance than Thuban which can be had for MUCH cheaper, and it doesn't work well with anything but Windows "Hai I Iz A Smartphone LOL" 8, which looks to be as big a bomb as Vista or even Bob.
What was "fun" was some of the later OS installs that came on floppies. Anybody remember how many floppies Win95 took? And it never failed that one of the floppies, usually one of those needed at the very end, wouldn't work.
Still I remember how excited I was when I got my first CD burner...no more floppies yay! And I could overburn too! I for one was damned glad when floppies finally bought the farm, I always seemed to end up with the damned discs dead and my data toast, no matter how much I babied the stupid things.
What is wrong with just x64? We had x86 for years and now we're all using x64 chips, whether our OSes are 64bit or not. Its short, simple, and to the point.
Meh, if you are building yourself a new system it should last for years, therefor spending a few extra bucks on the board at build time is well worth it.
I'd suggest an Asrock board as they have all the nice features and their XFast USB really does kick up the speeds on your USB 2 sticks and their OC Tuner software is nice and simple to use. Really great boards all around.
In the end its a whole $34 more than the ones you posted but has Crossfire support, double the RAM slots, plenty of SATA slots and S'PDIF, its just a nicer board and if you are gonna have a machine for years I'd say its worth the $34 to have more upgrade options down the line.
Ya know what? Nothing wrong with cheap and "good enough" the problem has been their new designs are cheap and shitty thanks to that lame "half core" they went for.
You take a good 85%+ of the people out there and a MOR AMD Deneb quad will frankly be twiddling its thumbs because it will blow through any jobs that they have, even gaming, even more so for Thuban. And their Brazos chips were fricking great, an APU designed for mobile video and basic tasks that got great battery life while often being cheaper than an Atom+ION setup.
I've sold many an Athlon II and Phenom II and the people are damned happy with them, they just blast through everything they want to do with plenty of cycles left over. I even put my money where my mouth is with regards to my family, me and the oldest are gaming on Thubans while the youngest took my Deneb, and they blow through any game we throw at 'em.
I see from TFA they've partially dropped the "half core" design but I can only hope that with Piledriver they'll drive a stake through it, as most of the people I've talked to Win 8 is a DO NOT WANT yet the half core scheduler bug is only fixed in Win 8. Meh, hopefully I'll still be able to get enough Thuban, Deneb, and Liano chips to get me through the whole BD/SR phase and the new Apple chip designer they hired will give us another Athlon64. One can hope after all.
Not to mention there is a BIG rotting elephant in the room that nobody is talking about which is this: If you don't like Windows 8? You're screwed if you buy a new AMD chip. You see the braintrust at AMD didn't bother to keep MSFT in the loop about what they were cooking up with their "half core" design and now that BD and soon SR will be out there MSFT has made it clear that the scheduler bug is a WILL NOT FIX except in Windows 8.
So if you run XP, Vista, or Windows 7 with one of the new AMD chips you either have to disable half the cores or Windows will treat it as hyperthreading and tie a nice boat anchor to your new chip. This is why you can disable half the modules (thus making them like a traditional chip) and your benches will go UP and not down, because Windows doesn't know WTF to do with such a strange CPU, just as it didn't know what to do with the first hyperthreaded chips. This is also why the Thubans will win in most benches against the BD chips, even though BD has more cores, because Windows doesn't know about the half cores and how to schedule them properly.
I just hope the new chip designer they hired away from Apple can do some good and come up with another truly great design, because otherwise AMD is stuck with a chip that will only run correctly on an OS that looks to be the most hated Windows since MS Bob.
As someone who has put my money where my mouth is and not built a single Intel PC since the bribery and compiler rigging came out I've been sticking with AM3 but its getting harder and harder, and since my customers aren't going to Windows 8 I may have to start looking at Intel again. After all who is gonna want to buy a system that has to get stuck with Win 8 just to have it run correctly?
That is why I always compare hardcore religion with brainwashing, because with both you could stick their nose into the evidence like sticking a puppy's nose in its mess and they still will just close their minds to even the POSSIBILITY that they could be even the slightest bit wrong.
Look if someone wants to look at those old stories as just that, little morality tales from a long gone era, no different than Hercules or any other of the ancient stories? I have NO problem with that, nor do i have a problem with people so afraid of their own mortality that they have to believe in something after death just to keep from being depressed.
What I DO have a problem with is those that try to force those ancient stories upon everyone else, to ban or hide anything that contradicts those ancient stories, and to punish anyone that refuses to live their life the way some goat herder said they should 1800+ years ago. People that try to force creationism or young earth into classrooms because goat herders in ancient times couldn't even process the idea of millions of years are to me no different than Scientology and their crazy Xenu story, both are a little too cultish for me to stomach. And I have to agree with the science guy on this one because I've seen with my own eyes once indoctrinated to believe that kind of stuff they'll just try to make the facts fit their beliefs which is the complete opposite of good science.
Not to mention correlation does not equal causation so we have no idea if the men they chose had other factors that weren't considered.
Hell the wiki on correlation has a medical study that said women that take birth control were at less risk for heart disease but a further study showed those women actually had a HIGHER risk but since they were from a higher socioeconomic group than the women without birth control it was the much better diet and exercise habits that skewed the results.So I'd say before we can give an answer either way further more controlled studies should be done.
And finally I have to wonder how much of the problem isn't western taboos about talking to kids about their genitals. Lets face it like any other part of the body children need to be taught to clean the area correctly and thoroughly but we here in the west are so hung on the idea that little John or Jane may actually play with themselves I seriously doubt any of the kids were being givern a proper education in such matters.
Yeah no shit, not to mention jury selection can often "weed out" those with brains. There is a good reason why the old joke is "a jury is 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty" because you can get some doozys in a jury trial. I won't post the entire story but my mom hung a jury for 2 weeks before the judge finally let them go because the rest of the jury thought all Italians were in the mob like "Goodfellas".
So I can see the point of this argument, hell many of us have been total nerds for decades but how many of us are familiar enough with patent law to be able to weed out the bullshit from the truth in a case THIS huge?
Because I live in a state filled with natural unspoiled beauty and wish to share it? Its not like it would take the average person more than 3 seconds to crop the fam out of the edge of a pic of this beautiful waterfall or them pointing at some incredible mountain drop and I'm fine by that.
But in the end this only affects COMMERCIAL projects, if you wanted to publish my photos on some website showing scenic views? Knock thyself out, but I don't want anything I take being used for profit without the simple fucking common courtesy of a 3 minute email.
This is what amazes me about the whole argument, the unmitigated gall. Nobody owes you shit, don't like it? Go away. if you are too damned lazy to rattle off a 3 minute email asking "Hey man, can I use this?" then frankly you don't deserve it anyway. Some people, I swear any courtesy left in this country ought to be treated like its a superpower.
Yeah they won't last, they'll be replaced by the next proprietary standard, most likely something based on MP4 for audio (AAC V2 perhaps?) and H.265 for video. In the low latency niche, which is just that, a small niche, then it MIGHT have a shot if it isn't buried by the trolls.
But until you can get Cupertino onboard you are pissing in the wind pal, hell the reason other "standards" replaced DivX and MP3 is because the fruit company said so. If it don't play on an iPad you are fucked buddy, simple as that. And this is from someone that never has and most likely never will own an Apple product, but I'm not blind and can see which way the wind is blowing and that's to Cupertino. MSFT will be a good little copycat and implement whatever Apple does, that covers more than 96% of the market right there.
It was a nice dream dude, but web developers fucked us raw by tripping over themselves to jump on the Apple bandwagon and now they are simply too big in media to be stopped, just give it up Chuck.
First of all that is the higher specc'd gamer memory, a lot of borards simply won't run that, and $10 less than $100 is still close enough to be in the "not practical" and also ignores the fact that DDR3 only took off in the last year and a half so many boards that are still doing great are DDR2 which is insane for anything larger than 2Gb. Finally you'll also have to figure an OS upgrade into that, since most machines come with Home which supports a MAX of 16Gb including VRAM, so you won't be able to use around 1.2Gb of that until you spend the $140 to upgrade to pro.
But I've seen FF slap swap like a pimp slapping his ho enough times to know there is something wrong there. I have left Dragon, Chrome, Opera, Safari, and Kmeleon open for days at a time and when I come back they are using the same amount of RAM they were when I left, not so with FF. Not running any rare or bizarre extensions either, just the standard ABP and NoScript that everyone here always says to run.
Nooo..it's because like everything else they do heavy ham handed force by the government causes unforeseen consequences!
Ever wonder where the SUV came from, or why small trucks were replaced by monster V8s? Well wonder no more, it came from CAFE standards! You see in the 70s we had these things called "station wagons" as well as light trucks based on cars. These wagons were perfect for your soccer mom types and the car-trucks were perfect for those that just needed to be able to haul a little furniture or lumber on the weekends. Then along came CAFE that made it practically impossible to build those vehicles anymore but guess what? Work trucks had an exemption! See where this is going?
You can't force people to drive what they don't want at the barrel of a gun or the barrel of a pen, its as simple as that. gas goes up? More people that can buy smaller cars, less buy bigger cars, and the market changes to give them what they want. I wish I could find the link to the money matters video where one of the guys from Kelley's Blue Book spent all damned day trying to get something so obvious through the heads of congress critters. he brought charts and graphs and sale figures showing that the American public saw those itty bitty cracker boxes as a DO NOT WANT and were buying vehicles MUCH larger than they needed, simply because the regulations were making sure there was nothing in between. the critters answer? "Well how do we make them take it?" arrgh!
Nope not just you, been warning my customers for years to stay the hell away from Lexmark because their inkjets were just garbage. bad prints, smudging, jamming, real bottom o' the barrel junk and the ink prices were just nuts. I try to steer them to a Samsung laser if i can, if i can't then a Canon or Epson inkjet, but never Lexmark, they are just designed for the dump.
Dude seriously? Give it up already. I was one of those that cheered and rooted for the idea of open codecs but we lost so just accept it. Trying to claim an open codec at this stage of the game still has a chance is like claiming Ron Paul can still get the nomination, it just ain't happening.
Whether you and I like it or not audio is AAC or MP3, video is H.264 and that is that. Unless you can get Apple to back it (fat fucking chance) nobody is gonna give a shit so like Vorbis and Theora and WebM its gonna be a niche also ran and there isn't a damned thing we can do about it because the people and the press are tripping over themselves in praise of the iDevices.