I worded my post badly. When I mentioned the shopkeeper, I intended to bring out the fact that his use was (perhaps) a "legitimate" use, but he would still face liability. The police don't face liability issues if the use is "legitimate".
Also, while arson is a dangerous property crime, the standards for forceful intervention are much higher than just that. There must be a clear and present danger to someone. If it is unclear that someone is in a building, then there is no cause for force in stopping someone from burning it.
It's clear that many LEOs like to play fast and loose with the rules. I won't deny that they face severe penalties if caught. And I won't deny that many are. But this only buttresses the argument that this weapon is a bad idea.
Eh, typesetting unsolicited LaTeX documents is a security risk. TeX is a Turing complete language, and the tex engine has read/write access to the filesystem. It just happens to be an unlikely vector for attack.
This wouldn't make the "ROFL"s come out quickly enough. What we need is a distributed "ROFL" making system. I propose that someone make a Word document that
1. Exploits the vulnerability.
2. Emails everyone in the user's Outlook db a copy of the document.
3. Executes a suitable equivalent of:
#include
main() {
while 1
printf "ROFL";
}
}
I really enjoy cooking. I would never buy a chef's knife at Wal*Mart. I would go to a good cutlery store. Same deal with pots and pans.[1] Thrift stores are great for other kinds of kitchen utensils. I recently got my hands on a very nice Japanese 8 inch knife for $1.50. I would never buy food at Wal*Mart.[2] Their house brand is awful. I go to the local New Seasons, which sells food by different producers. I looked for a French press at Wal*Mart last time I was there. All they had were nasty percolators. Had to get it at New Seasons.
I really enjoy computing. I would never buy a a computer at Wal*Mart. I would go to the local Apple Store. Or Newegg. Or a Sun/SGI/Cray reseller if I need something esoteric.
Electronics? Forget about it. I'm working on building a Leech amp to drive my NHT SuperOnes, which, by the way, have never been available at Wal*Mart. I might buy a cd player eventually (I'm using an old iMac running Debian as an amarok kiosk for now), but Wal*Mart doesn't sell Denon.
Clothes? Thrift stores. Maybe Ross or TJ/Max if I need something quickly.
The only thing Wal*Mart is good for is toothpaste, soap, and condoms.
[1]I don't think I'll ever have to buy a pan again though. I recently acquired a free cast iron pan. The guy who gave it to me said it sticks. Fixing that issue took a tablespoon of olive oil and 10 minutes of effort spread out over 8 hours.
[2] Well, Tillamook mild cheddar baby loaves are an exception, but even that happens rarely. They're 50 cents cheaper than at the local New Seasons, but the nearest Wal*Mart is 10 miles away. Not worth the effort.
Myeh, not really.
I really enjoy cooking. I would never buy a chef's knife at Wal*Mart. I would go to a good cutlery store. Same deal with pots and pans.[1] Thrift stores are great for other kinds of kitchen utensils. I recently got my hands on a very nice Japanese 8 inch knife for $1.50. I would never buy food at Wal*Mart.[2] Their house brand is awful. I go to the local New Seasons, which sells food by different producers. I looked for a French press at Wal*Mart last time I was there. All they had were nasty percolators. Had to get it at New Seasons.
I really enjoy computing. I would never buy a a computer at Wal*Mart. I would go to the local Apple Store. Or Newegg. Or a Sun/SGI/Cray reseller if I need something esoteric.
Electronics? Forget about it. I'm working on building a Leech amp to drive my NHT SuperOnes, which, by the way, have never been available at Wal*Mart. I might buy a cd player eventually (I'm using an old iMac running Debian as an amarok kiosk for now), but Wal*Mart doesn't sell Denon.
Clothes? Thrift stores. Maybe Ross or TJ/Max if I need something quickly.
The only thing Wal*Mart is good for is toothpaste, soap, and condoms.
[1]I don't think I'll ever have to buy a pan again though. I recently acquired a free cast iron pan. The guy who gave it to me said it sticks. Fixing that issue took a tablespoon of olive oil and 10 minutes of effort spread out over 8 hours.
[2] Well, Tillamook mild cheddar baby loaves are an exception, but even that happens rarely. They're 50 cents cheaper than at the local New Seasons, but the nearest Wal*Mart is 10 miles away. Not worth the effort.
I'm going to say something that's naive and idealistic. But it has to be said. Bear with me.
Arson is a crime. As such, the offenders should be caught and brought under due process of law. Punishing someone (in a cruel and unusual way, to boot) before, during, or after the commission of such a crime without due process is illegal.
Arson is a property crime. It isn't a personal crime. Last I heard, the police were only authorized to use force to prevent the commission of a personal crime or to detain a felon.
Think of this: if a shopkeeper were to use microwaves to keep a rioting mob from burning his store down, he would (in principle) be in deep shit. At the very least, he could face serious liability issues if someone was hurt.
Police wouldn't face liability issues. We have to be very careful what kinds of power we allow the police to use, because they *will* use them. Often inappropriately.
Apply for a permit, get denied, and call your local tv stations and newspapers, ideally after talking to the ACLU and having your protest in front of City Hall anyway.
The companies that include by default do so out of good practice and community spirit.
Well, that, and it's probably easier to just throw the source in a tarball on an ftp server and forget about it than train a secretary on dealing with an obscure request that only comes up twice a year.
Or is it (as I suspect) that you simply disagree with their bias, and have a hard time seperating their bias from the accuracy of their reporting.
The way I read this, it sounds like you're implying that having a hard time separating a source's bias from the accuracy of their reporting is a consequence of disagreeing with their bias.
Check out the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry on the Wikipedia. It's very fair and balanced. In fact, it has been deleted and locked. In fact, its Talk page has been deleted and locked as well.
I agree with your point in principle, but admins with axes to grind make it less than true.
a: of, relating to, or involving the hands (manual dexterity) b: worked or done by hand and not by machine (a manual transmission) (manual computation) (manual indexing)
As demon said in a previous reply, 4.4BSD is not the same thing as FreeBSD. 4.4BSD was the last Berkeley produced BSD distro. FreeBSD branched from it. Here is the quote again:
A large portion of this technology is derived from FreeBSD, a version of 4.4BSD that offers advanced networking, performance, security, and compatibility features.
Emphasis and link mine. Your quote says that OS X uses FreeBSD technologies, and explains that FreeBSD is a 4.4BSD fork. It says nothing about which version of FreeBSD is used in Darwin. Therefore, the quote does not deny my claim.
I will, however, grant that the quote I provided is not particularly informative. But it does explicitly say that FreeBSD 5.0 is in use, unlike your quote, which is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.
N.B. I'm getting really sick of people with poor reading comprehension. Especially when they don't know what they're talking about. Condescension under such circumstances is particularly irksome.
I've read elsewhere though that the exemptions from the Copyright Office aren't permanent, but need to be renewed every few years or they expire. So all that has to happen to destroy everything is for an administration to pressure the Copyright Office to let the exemption slip, and then threaten to prosecute the IA if they don't destroy the de-protected works.
Why assume that the government isn't acting in good faith? If they wanted the IA to be shut down, they wouldn't have granted the exemption in the first place.
I understand what you're getting at. But let's consider your sculpture example again. Let's say you make a sculpture and decide to display it for money. Certainly fair enough. This, so far, isn't a copyright issue at all.
Now suppose we live in a world without any copyright protection. Then displaying the work (and charging admission) is pretty much the only way you could make money from your work. Of course, in principal, you could sell souvenir copies or whatever, but that would be shooting yourself in the foot. As soon as an ambitious sculptor got his hands on a replica, he could make his own. Or he could just make souvenirs and sell them on the sidewalk outside your museum. In the end, you would end up protecting your work like you would a trade secret (though probably not as stringently -- I mean this in principal). For instance, you could have a "No Cameras" policy in your museum.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could have a monopoly on your work's "content"? This is exactly what copyrights give you. But note well -- the content isn't "real" property in the sense that a sculpture is. Your monopoly is given to you by society so that you can make some money from your work while simultaneously enriching culture. For it would be very difficult for you to gain publicity for your work without you having the ability to make, for instance, brochures with an image of your work. Without publicity, your museum would fail. More importantly, no one would see your culturally enriching work.
In exchange for the opportunity to make money, you have to give up the exclusive right to distribute your work's content after a certain period. But keep in mind that you wouldn't have had the exclusive right at all without copyright.
I say 50+ years of protection is better than none at all.
If you intend to use X11 to completely replace Aqua, you may as well run Darwin or Linux or one of the BSDs. Sorry, but getting rid of all the Aqua stuff is going to involve extensive customization. And if you don't load Aqua's libraries, you aren't going to be able to run OS X apps anyway.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes and Yes. Sounds interesting.
I worded my post badly. When I mentioned the shopkeeper, I intended to bring out the fact that his use was (perhaps) a "legitimate" use, but he would still face liability. The police don't face liability issues if the use is "legitimate".
Also, while arson is a dangerous property crime, the standards for forceful intervention are much higher than just that. There must be a clear and present danger to someone. If it is unclear that someone is in a building, then there is no cause for force in stopping someone from burning it.
It's clear that many LEOs like to play fast and loose with the rules. I won't deny that they face severe penalties if caught. And I won't deny that many are. But this only buttresses the argument that this weapon is a bad idea.
Eh, typesetting unsolicited LaTeX documents is a security risk. TeX is a Turing complete language, and the tex engine has read/write access to the filesystem. It just happens to be an unlikely vector for attack.
#include
main() {
while 1 {
printf "ROFL";
}
}
would be even better.
This wouldn't make the "ROFL"s come out quickly enough. What we need is a distributed "ROFL" making system. I propose that someone make a Word document that 1. Exploits the vulnerability. 2. Emails everyone in the user's Outlook db a copy of the document. 3. Executes a suitable equivalent of: #include main() { while 1 printf "ROFL"; } }
No. He's a slashdotter.
Shit! Sorry about the formatting.
Myeh, not really.
I really enjoy cooking. I would never buy a chef's knife at Wal*Mart. I would go to a good cutlery store. Same deal with pots and pans.[1] Thrift stores are great for other kinds of kitchen utensils. I recently got my hands on a very nice Japanese 8 inch knife for $1.50. I would never buy food at Wal*Mart.[2] Their house brand is awful. I go to the local New Seasons, which sells food by different producers. I looked for a French press at Wal*Mart last time I was there. All they had were nasty percolators. Had to get it at New Seasons.
I really enjoy computing. I would never buy a a computer at Wal*Mart. I would go to the local Apple Store. Or Newegg. Or a Sun/SGI/Cray reseller if I need something esoteric.
Electronics? Forget about it. I'm working on building a Leech amp to drive my NHT SuperOnes, which, by the way, have never been available at Wal*Mart. I might buy a cd player eventually (I'm using an old iMac running Debian as an amarok kiosk for now), but Wal*Mart doesn't sell Denon.
Clothes? Thrift stores. Maybe Ross or TJ/Max if I need something quickly.
The only thing Wal*Mart is good for is toothpaste, soap, and condoms.
[1]I don't think I'll ever have to buy a pan again though. I recently acquired a free cast iron pan. The guy who gave it to me said it sticks. Fixing that issue took a tablespoon of olive oil and 10 minutes of effort spread out over 8 hours.
[2] Well, Tillamook mild cheddar baby loaves are an exception, but even that happens rarely. They're 50 cents cheaper than at the local New Seasons, but the nearest Wal*Mart is 10 miles away. Not worth the effort.
Myeh, not really. I really enjoy cooking. I would never buy a chef's knife at Wal*Mart. I would go to a good cutlery store. Same deal with pots and pans.[1] Thrift stores are great for other kinds of kitchen utensils. I recently got my hands on a very nice Japanese 8 inch knife for $1.50. I would never buy food at Wal*Mart.[2] Their house brand is awful. I go to the local New Seasons, which sells food by different producers. I looked for a French press at Wal*Mart last time I was there. All they had were nasty percolators. Had to get it at New Seasons. I really enjoy computing. I would never buy a a computer at Wal*Mart. I would go to the local Apple Store. Or Newegg. Or a Sun/SGI/Cray reseller if I need something esoteric. Electronics? Forget about it. I'm working on building a Leech amp to drive my NHT SuperOnes, which, by the way, have never been available at Wal*Mart. I might buy a cd player eventually (I'm using an old iMac running Debian as an amarok kiosk for now), but Wal*Mart doesn't sell Denon. Clothes? Thrift stores. Maybe Ross or TJ/Max if I need something quickly. The only thing Wal*Mart is good for is toothpaste, soap, and condoms. [1]I don't think I'll ever have to buy a pan again though. I recently acquired a free cast iron pan. The guy who gave it to me said it sticks. Fixing that issue took a tablespoon of olive oil and 10 minutes of effort spread out over 8 hours. [2] Well, Tillamook mild cheddar baby loaves are an exception, but even that happens rarely. They're 50 cents cheaper than at the local New Seasons, but the nearest Wal*Mart is 10 miles away. Not worth the effort.
I'm going to say something that's naive and idealistic. But it has to be said. Bear with me.
Arson is a crime. As such, the offenders should be caught and brought under due process of law. Punishing someone (in a cruel and unusual way, to boot) before, during, or after the commission of such a crime without due process is illegal.
Arson is a property crime. It isn't a personal crime. Last I heard, the police were only authorized to use force to prevent the commission of a personal crime or to detain a felon.
Think of this: if a shopkeeper were to use microwaves to keep a rioting mob from burning his store down, he would (in principle) be in deep shit. At the very least, he could face serious liability issues if someone was hurt.
Police wouldn't face liability issues. We have to be very careful what kinds of power we allow the police to use, because they *will* use them. Often inappropriately.
Apply for a permit, get denied, and call your local tv stations and newspapers, ideally after talking to the ACLU and having your protest in front of City Hall anyway.
Well, that, and it's probably easier to just throw the source in a tarball on an ftp server and forget about it than train a secretary on dealing with an obscure request that only comes up twice a year.
The way I read this, it sounds like you're implying that having a hard time separating a source's bias from the accuracy of their reporting is a consequence of disagreeing with their bias.
I hope that's not what you mean.
If you are, you're just fooling yourself.
What a tedious troll. Go read some Encyclopedia Dramatica and practice on some anime forums.
Of course. Please accept mine for my rudeness at the end of my last post.
Uhm, why assume that the car in front of you is going to instantly accelerate to 0 mph? That's not even physically possible.
Aspie much?
Check out the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry on the Wikipedia. It's very fair and balanced. In fact, it has been deleted and locked. In fact, its Talk page has been deleted and locked as well.
I agree with your point in principle, but admins with axes to grind make it less than true.
Too easy.
a: of, relating to, or involving the hands (manual dexterity) b: worked or done by hand and not by machine (a manual transmission) (manual computation) (manual indexing)
As demon said in a previous reply, 4.4BSD is not the same thing as FreeBSD. 4.4BSD was the last Berkeley produced BSD distro. FreeBSD branched from it. Here is the quote again:
Emphasis and link mine. Your quote says that OS X uses FreeBSD technologies, and explains that FreeBSD is a 4.4BSD fork. It says nothing about which version of FreeBSD is used in Darwin. Therefore, the quote does not deny my claim.
I will, however, grant that the quote I provided is not particularly informative. But it does explicitly say that FreeBSD 5.0 is in use, unlike your quote, which is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.
N.B. I'm getting really sick of people with poor reading comprehension. Especially when they don't know what they're talking about. Condescension under such circumstances is particularly irksome.
That quote doesn't really deny my claim. FreeBSD branched from 4.4BSD, and that's all the quote seems to say.
Tiger's Darwin subsystem is based on FBSD 5.0. See:
http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html
I've read elsewhere though that the exemptions from the Copyright Office aren't permanent, but need to be renewed every few years or they expire. So all that has to happen to destroy everything is for an administration to pressure the Copyright Office to let the exemption slip, and then threaten to prosecute the IA if they don't destroy the de-protected works.
Why assume that the government isn't acting in good faith? If they wanted the IA to be shut down, they wouldn't have granted the exemption in the first place.
Hello from Oregon!
Now suppose we live in a world without any copyright protection. Then displaying the work (and charging admission) is pretty much the only way you could make money from your work. Of course, in principal, you could sell souvenir copies or whatever, but that would be shooting yourself in the foot. As soon as an ambitious sculptor got his hands on a replica, he could make his own. Or he could just make souvenirs and sell them on the sidewalk outside your museum. In the end, you would end up protecting your work like you would a trade secret (though probably not as stringently -- I mean this in principal). For instance, you could have a "No Cameras" policy in your museum.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could have a monopoly on your work's "content"? This is exactly what copyrights give you. But note well -- the content isn't "real" property in the sense that a sculpture is. Your monopoly is given to you by society so that you can make some money from your work while simultaneously enriching culture. For it would be very difficult for you to gain publicity for your work without you having the ability to make, for instance, brochures with an image of your work. Without publicity, your museum would fail. More importantly, no one would see your culturally enriching work.
In exchange for the opportunity to make money, you have to give up the exclusive right to distribute your work's content after a certain period. But keep in mind that you wouldn't have had the exclusive right at all without copyright.
I say 50+ years of protection is better than none at all.
Hookers tend to appreciate money.
If you intend to use X11 to completely replace Aqua, you may as well run Darwin or Linux or one of the BSDs. Sorry, but getting rid of all the Aqua stuff is going to involve extensive customization. And if you don't load Aqua's libraries, you aren't going to be able to run OS X apps anyway.