For your windows apps you have several solutions available. Wine works really well. You can install windows in a virtualbox. And you can dual boot.
Ah, yes. For the typical consumer, who doesn't have the time or desire to learn a lot about computers... I can just see them trying to figure out Wine, VirtualBox, or dual booting. On a non-sarcastic note, I'm not sure those solutions are the best for someone who just wants something that works. The issue is that, for "mom and dad," Windows works for everything the want it to do. In order to get into that "market," Linux has to work just as well. It's hard to entice people by saying "well, Linux is awesome and free, but you're going to have to pay for a Windows OS anyways and run it in a virtual machine in order to run the programs you need to." Why not just run Windows and forget the Linux part?
I disagree, all his points were not used-to-Windows-not-Linux points. Most of them were not.
Here's an example. I have a slightly older Dell laptop. It has an Intel wireless card, uses ipw3945 for a driver I believe. Full screen flash on hulu makes the wireless connection freak out and I have to disable/enable to get it to work again. I have no problems on Windows.
Another one: Totem freaks out when it encounters a problem on a DVD. I had to install VLC in order to watch library movies, it handles scratches much more gracefully (don't relaly notice, unless they are REALLY bad).
Now, for me... the flash problem was hard to figure out, but eventually I noticed the correlation, tested it, and determined it was actually causing it. The Totem vs. VLC one wasn't too hard. For a typical, average consumer? Those issues are way to basic. I never encountered any of those with Windows - WMP played DVDs fine, wireless drivers worked fine, Flash wasn't a problem. I know, Linux doesn't control Adobe, and it's not necessarily Ubuntu's fault, but it's still an issue. And those were not issues with being familiar with Windows.
With all that, I still use it, because I'm geeky and I tihnk it's cool. But it's not for everyone, and my wife would have been able to figure out those two problems on her own. She hasn't had any problems with Windows lately. In fact, before I figured out the flash-disconnecting-wireless issue, we would start watching on hulu on my Ubuntu lapotp, get kicked off, and resort to using her Windows 7 laptop.
So charging companies for security exploits found with your own labor is ok with Slashdot. Charging money for software you created 'with your own labor' is generally bad.
It seems that some ideals in the OSS community tend to be a bit conflicting/self-contradictory.
(note: I don't know what you personally think, I'm just using your post as a springboard:) )
Certainly, there ARE people who are homeless/poor/hungry because they actually can't find work... but I am not sure that's the common type.
A homeless shelter where they can work for their food, what a novel idea. Most people seem to think that's "slave labor" or "forced labor" something though, as if "forced" labor is necessarily bad (the average American is "forced" to labor, too... otherwise, they lose their job, money, house, food, etc).
You've had multiple replies already, but... Opera is free. I think the only product they were charging for, last I checked, was Opera Mobile, and that might be free now, too.
There's a lot of discussions on that. Some would even posit that Biblically, there isn't really "free will" as traditionally viewed, but elements of choice and responsibility. But not totally free, non-influenced-by-anything choice. And definitely, the "clean slate" version of free will isn't there...
But my point is simpler than that: saying that one solution to the problem doesn't work and thus there is no solution to the problem would seem to be very logically inconsistent.
By the way, "free will" discussions pre-Biblical-Fall (Adam and Eve) and "free will" discussions post-Biblical-Fall are significiantly different discussions.
Not quite. Apple is: Pre-knowledge rumors, rumors, post-rumor rumors, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors, announcement, pre-beta rumors, beta, post-beta rumors, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors, final [, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors].
No, free will is supposed to solve the problem of evil, but it doens't, because according to the Bible, free will cannot exist, thus the problem of evil still exists, thus God is debunked.
Ah, I understand the connection now, thanks... though, I don't agree with the logic, as it's a false dichotomy (either free will solves the problem of evil or God doesn't exist).
Er... so the Bible is criticized for not allowing free will, even though free will is very improbable and probably doesn't exist?
Incidentally, I think the Bible does allow for free will... just, perhaps not in the way we might entirely like to think about it. We humans seem to have a tendency to exaggerate our independence beyond what we can even see/sense in the visible reality we live in.
If someone already knows what you are going to do, how is it a choice?
I guess science must believe that time travel is also impossible and illogical and thus does not and cannot exist. If someone can go into the future and see what you are going to do, how is it a choice?
There seem to be a fair amount of things that humans do not understand and do not know, but that doesn't mean they are impossible or don't exist.
Your... or perhaps not yours, I might have misunderstood your comment and melded it with the comment I originally was replying to:)... argument appears to be this:
1. Comparing to Vista doesn't work because Vista was so bad.
2. Comparing to XP doesn't work because XP is so old.
That leaves nothing to compare it to, thus Windows 7 is bad inherently?
I'm not saying I expected Windows 7 to be worse or the same as XP. I'm saying that it IS better. I'm also saying if you happened to notice, that I'm also basing this decision/comparison on Ubuntu (9.10, 10.04).
If I can't compare it to any Windows other OS, you won't accept comparing it to Ubuntu, and you won't accept it on its own merits without a comparison, what WOULD convince you?;)
Not true. Windows 7 is, in my experience, better than XP and better than Ubuntu. I've used both of those extensively, and still use Ubuntu and Windows 7 at home (Ubuntu and XP [in a VM] at work).
Windows 7 is not good just because of Vista. In my experience, with somewhat older hardware (2-5 years), it is stabler than XP, runs faster than XP, boots faster than XP, has much better automatic-driver-finding (and downloading) support than XP, better sound management and look/feel/aesthetics than XP, etc.
Yeah, Vista wasn't that great. But I'm basing my Windows 7 experience on XP and latest versions of Linux (Ubuntu and openSuSE primarily, but also Linux Mint), not on Vista... which I actually didn't really use.
As much as I like Linux (and use it on my work laptop and on a laptop at home, and dual-boot my desktop system with Sabayon...)
... there are plenty of anecdotes about trouble, too. Including wireless (STILL... but my one problem now appears to be related to full-screen flash video, it kicks my wireless driver in the rear, somehow). Also, plugging in a camera, unplugging, then plugging in again... it didn't seem to like that, and ended up not recognizing it anymore (though F-Spot still did).
Also... you are impressed at what Windows has done, basically, since XP. That's not particularly impressive for a company that has a rich guy behind it putting money into it.
It's good, don't get me wrong... I'm just not impressed yet. It's still not as user friendly, in my experience and in most of my friends' and acquaintances' experiences, as the most recent Microsoft OS.
But I use it, since it's fun, it's free, it's geeky, and it does work. And at work, it makes my job actually a lot easier... having ssh, grep, telnet, etc.
At least she is honest about it. That's more than you can say for most politicians, who won't ever tell you that they WANT the news to spin things certain ways and want them to ask questions they want to answer.
Most people want an easy way to buy cheap apps to extend the use of their device.
Most people do more than one thing at a time; e.g., listen to music while reading the news.
Saying most iPad developers don't care about multitasking and an open dev platform is like saying that most Windows developers don't care about improvements in Mac OS X. Duh. They're developing for Windows, why would they care?
However, if Apple was considering changing the iPad... most iPad developers would care very quickly.
Quasi-tautological statements aren't necessarily good arguments, hehe.
An "open development platform" is important to me because it means I don't have to get a big company's permission before I use an application on a piece of hardware that I bought. Do I like MS? Dell? No. But at least if I buy a piece of Dell hardware, they don't force me to use the Dell App Store to put an app on my computer. And at least Microsoft doesn't force me to only install Windows on MS Approved Hardware... etc.
I like "open" platforms, with that kind of open-ness in mind, because I like being able to choose, not have my choices limited by a Big Company.
So on one hand, ISPs should not regulate the type of traffic and should not sniff, etc...
On the other hand, ISPs should cut off virus-infected computers. Apparently, they ARE sniffing or monitoring in some way in order to cut you off.
Just wait for a company to decide that being a torrent feeder is being part of a botnet and thus torrent feeders must be cut off. Good luck getting back on again.
If it is really botnet activity, why not just block the botnet activity but not the non-botnet activity? If you can't determine if it's botnet activity well enough, then how are you going to choose who gets cut off?
(I am not necessarily decidedly against this, but at the moment, it seems to be somewhat hypocritical to be against ISP filtering and for ISP cutting off [on their own]. Enlighten me.:) )
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For your windows apps you have several solutions available. Wine works really well. You can install windows in a virtualbox. And you can dual boot.
Ah, yes. For the typical consumer, who doesn't have the time or desire to learn a lot about computers ... I can just see them trying to figure out Wine, VirtualBox, or dual booting. On a non-sarcastic note, I'm not sure those solutions are the best for someone who just wants something that works. The issue is that, for "mom and dad," Windows works for everything the want it to do. In order to get into that "market," Linux has to work just as well. It's hard to entice people by saying "well, Linux is awesome and free, but you're going to have to pay for a Windows OS anyways and run it in a virtual machine in order to run the programs you need to." Why not just run Windows and forget the Linux part?
I disagree, all his points were not used-to-Windows-not-Linux points. Most of them were not.
Here's an example. I have a slightly older Dell laptop. It has an Intel wireless card, uses ipw3945 for a driver I believe. Full screen flash on hulu makes the wireless connection freak out and I have to disable/enable to get it to work again. I have no problems on Windows.
Another one: Totem freaks out when it encounters a problem on a DVD. I had to install VLC in order to watch library movies, it handles scratches much more gracefully (don't relaly notice, unless they are REALLY bad).
Now, for me ... the flash problem was hard to figure out, but eventually I noticed the correlation, tested it, and determined it was actually causing it. The Totem vs. VLC one wasn't too hard. For a typical, average consumer? Those issues are way to basic. I never encountered any of those with Windows - WMP played DVDs fine, wireless drivers worked fine, Flash wasn't a problem. I know, Linux doesn't control Adobe, and it's not necessarily Ubuntu's fault, but it's still an issue. And those were not issues with being familiar with Windows.
With all that, I still use it, because I'm geeky and I tihnk it's cool. But it's not for everyone, and my wife would have been able to figure out those two problems on her own. She hasn't had any problems with Windows lately. In fact, before I figured out the flash-disconnecting-wireless issue, we would start watching on hulu on my Ubuntu lapotp, get kicked off, and resort to using her Windows 7 laptop.
So charging companies for security exploits found with your own labor is ok with Slashdot. Charging money for software you created 'with your own labor' is generally bad.
It seems that some ideals in the OSS community tend to be a bit conflicting/self-contradictory.
(note: I don't know what you personally think, I'm just using your post as a springboard :) )
This is exactly what I wanted to say.
Certainly, there ARE people who are homeless/poor/hungry because they actually can't find work... but I am not sure that's the common type.
A homeless shelter where they can work for their food, what a novel idea. Most people seem to think that's "slave labor" or "forced labor" something though, as if "forced" labor is necessarily bad (the average American is "forced" to labor, too... otherwise, they lose their job, money, house, food, etc).
You've had multiple replies already, but ... Opera is free. I think the only product they were charging for, last I checked, was Opera Mobile, and that might be free now, too.
There's a lot of discussions on that. Some would even posit that Biblically, there isn't really "free will" as traditionally viewed, but elements of choice and responsibility. But not totally free, non-influenced-by-anything choice. And definitely, the "clean slate" version of free will isn't there...
But my point is simpler than that: saying that one solution to the problem doesn't work and thus there is no solution to the problem would seem to be very logically inconsistent.
By the way, "free will" discussions pre-Biblical-Fall (Adam and Eve) and "free will" discussions post-Biblical-Fall are significiantly different discussions.
Granted, though it doesn't go out of its way to discount very many rumors, either.
Also, this story isn't mostly about an official announcement. It's rumors about the official announcement...
Not quite. Apple is: Pre-knowledge rumors, rumors, post-rumor rumors, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors, announcement, pre-beta rumors, beta, post-beta rumors, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors, final [, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors].
No, free will is supposed to solve the problem of evil, but it doens't, because according to the Bible, free will cannot exist, thus the problem of evil still exists, thus God is debunked.
Ah, I understand the connection now, thanks... though, I don't agree with the logic, as it's a false dichotomy (either free will solves the problem of evil or God doesn't exist).
Er... so the Bible is criticized for not allowing free will, even though free will is very improbable and probably doesn't exist?
Incidentally, I think the Bible does allow for free will ... just, perhaps not in the way we might entirely like to think about it. We humans seem to have a tendency to exaggerate our independence beyond what we can even see/sense in the visible reality we live in.
If someone already knows what you are going to do, how is it a choice?
I guess science must believe that time travel is also impossible and illogical and thus does not and cannot exist. If someone can go into the future and see what you are going to do, how is it a choice?
There seem to be a fair amount of things that humans do not understand and do not know, but that doesn't mean they are impossible or don't exist.
Your... or perhaps not yours, I might have misunderstood your comment and melded it with the comment I originally was replying to :) ... argument appears to be this:
1. Comparing to Vista doesn't work because Vista was so bad.
2. Comparing to XP doesn't work because XP is so old.
That leaves nothing to compare it to, thus Windows 7 is bad inherently?
I'm not saying I expected Windows 7 to be worse or the same as XP. I'm saying that it IS better. I'm also saying if you happened to notice, that I'm also basing this decision/comparison on Ubuntu (9.10, 10.04).
If I can't compare it to any Windows other OS, you won't accept comparing it to Ubuntu, and you won't accept it on its own merits without a comparison, what WOULD convince you? ;)
Not true. Windows 7 is, in my experience, better than XP and better than Ubuntu. I've used both of those extensively, and still use Ubuntu and Windows 7 at home (Ubuntu and XP [in a VM] at work).
Windows 7 is not good just because of Vista. In my experience, with somewhat older hardware (2-5 years), it is stabler than XP, runs faster than XP, boots faster than XP, has much better automatic-driver-finding (and downloading) support than XP, better sound management and look/feel/aesthetics than XP, etc.
Yeah, Vista wasn't that great. But I'm basing my Windows 7 experience on XP and latest versions of Linux (Ubuntu and openSuSE primarily, but also Linux Mint), not on Vista ... which I actually didn't really use.
I didn't write it, but it's well worth a read.
As opposed to all the other books that you didn't write. ;)
(I know, it's just a saying, but figured I'd poke fun at it anyways. O:) )
As much as I like Linux (and use it on my work laptop and on a laptop at home, and dual-boot my desktop system with Sabayon...)
... there are plenty of anecdotes about trouble, too. Including wireless (STILL ... but my one problem now appears to be related to full-screen flash video, it kicks my wireless driver in the rear, somehow). Also, plugging in a camera, unplugging, then plugging in again... it didn't seem to like that, and ended up not recognizing it anymore (though F-Spot still did).
Also ... you are impressed at what Windows has done, basically, since XP. That's not particularly impressive for a company that has a rich guy behind it putting money into it.
It's good, don't get me wrong ... I'm just not impressed yet. It's still not as user friendly, in my experience and in most of my friends' and acquaintances' experiences, as the most recent Microsoft OS.
But I use it, since it's fun, it's free, it's geeky, and it does work. And at work, it makes my job actually a lot easier ... having ssh, grep, telnet, etc.
Oops, nevermind, I see the laptops with 9.04 now. Doh.
Not true. I just configured an AMD-based XPS 7100 with 10.04.
Dell didn't drop Ubuntu. You can still buy Dell computers preloaded with Ubuntu.
They aren't. There's one running 9.10 and one running 10.04.
yeah, it doesn't in my chrome, either. drives me nuts.
At least she is honest about it. That's more than you can say for most politicians, who won't ever tell you that they WANT the news to spin things certain ways and want them to ask questions they want to answer.
How about a dictionary, not a wikipedia/"encyclopedia" entry ... "does not transmit light."
Only if the alien ship hardware is approved for Apple Hardware Communications. ;)
Most people want an easy way to buy cheap apps to extend the use of their device.
Most people do more than one thing at a time; e.g., listen to music while reading the news.
Saying most iPad developers don't care about multitasking and an open dev platform is like saying that most Windows developers don't care about improvements in Mac OS X. Duh. They're developing for Windows, why would they care?
However, if Apple was considering changing the iPad ... most iPad developers would care very quickly.
Quasi-tautological statements aren't necessarily good arguments, hehe.
An "open development platform" is important to me because it means I don't have to get a big company's permission before I use an application on a piece of hardware that I bought. Do I like MS? Dell? No. But at least if I buy a piece of Dell hardware, they don't force me to use the Dell App Store to put an app on my computer. And at least Microsoft doesn't force me to only install Windows on MS Approved Hardware... etc.
I like "open" platforms, with that kind of open-ness in mind, because I like being able to choose, not have my choices limited by a Big Company.
So on one hand, ISPs should not regulate the type of traffic and should not sniff, etc...
On the other hand, ISPs should cut off virus-infected computers. Apparently, they ARE sniffing or monitoring in some way in order to cut you off.
Just wait for a company to decide that being a torrent feeder is being part of a botnet and thus torrent feeders must be cut off. Good luck getting back on again.
If it is really botnet activity, why not just block the botnet activity but not the non-botnet activity? If you can't determine if it's botnet activity well enough, then how are you going to choose who gets cut off?
(I am not necessarily decidedly against this, but at the moment, it seems to be somewhat hypocritical to be against ISP filtering and for ISP cutting off [on their own]. Enlighten me. :) )
At least Ballmer will allow multitasking and a more or less open development platform. I assume, anyways.