Hmmm. Desiring profit from a good work (or a bad work, but let's presume a good one for the sake of the argument) to enable one to continue exerting effort to producing more good works... that's bad control?
Of course, at least in the music publishing business, most publishing houses TAKE the rights to your work. You no longer have it. Can't even copy it yourself. That's frustrating.
But we seem to be talking about even the author not having control over it. It's not really about "having control," it's about being able to profit from from the work I did, isn't it?
If we're talking about publishing houses and not authors, then I think the discussion changes...
But doesn't that depend? Yes, after a certain amount of time it should expire, etc.
But just because I wrote something doesn't mean you have my permission to copy it. And just because you feel that books should be able to be copied doesn't mean I feel the same way... so why should your view trump mine?
In other words... if I write a book and don't want it freely copied, I think I should be allowed to have that right. The right to forbid it from being copied. If you want it freely copied, you should have the right to allow that. And the right to grant/deny those permissions should die eventually, probably something like... I don't know, when I die, since I'm the one that wrote it.
I didn't change from mint to Ubuntu, I tried mint... and Ubuntu, and a few other distros.
I liked KDE... wasn't a fan of KDE 4.2 so much though (and had used 4.0 and 4.1 as well). I found KDE to be a bit clunky, and gnome ran much better on my system. IIRC, that was the main reason for not choosing Mint. (also, KDE's knetworkmanager never worked well with my Intel wireless card/WEP)
Have to say I'm fairly happy with Ubuntu. I miss some KDE apps though... like Kate, one of the best text editors I've used...:)
OT part of my post: twittering during a service is stupid, and to me, implies that there isn't enough to think about (or be involved in) during the service. So much for Biblical commands to love God with your MIND, too....
Hm. You're right, Christians (nominal and true) are human, and at times do all those things.
But if you have never heard of or seen a church where its members are generally characterized but what you just mentioned.. well, I know they exist. I think they tend to, however, be on the strong side as far as preaching against sin, etc., as well. In other words, most people are not going to find the preaching all that nice - it's primarily convicting. Which makes sense, if you think about it... if the whole love one another, judging, gossip, etc., is what is "right"/Godly, then not doing that is sin... so conviction about it seems to be a primary goal of preaching the Bible. Which means it is rather uncomfortable for those that want their "ears tickled," which is what you appear to be referring to. And which is why, IMO, most really Biblical churches tend to be rather small. You don't come get convicted about the sin in your life for "fun."
If you're really interested... erg, I don't want to come across haughty or arrogant:P But if you're interested, I think I could probably give you a link to a pastor of a church that you said you want to find. Sermons are online, etc. I think you'd probably find the preaching to be somewhat abnormal as far as typical mainstream Christianity goes (and no, it's not like the Mars Hill Mark Driscoll either). Long (60+ minutes), Biblical, excitedly preached by someone who really believes it, who loves Christ, and whose "ambition" is to be more like Him. If you're interested, let me know...:)
You're on crack. Video playback is ****ing great under Ubuntu. Installing support
for strange video files is DEAD easy compared to Windows or MacOS.
Not on crack, and it's not. I watched a DVD with VLC last evening. Stuttered occasionally in full screen. Possibly because I had three VLC's open, but only one actually had anything loaded so that would be pretty pathetic if it was. Codecs, etc., are installed. It's probably my video card configuration (used to have fglrx but not available in 9.04 at the moment... at least for my card which is a bit older), but it's not "easily" fixable and it's not "dead easy compared to Windows." Windows: install driver, restart computer... the first step in Ubuntu, at the moment, would be find driver... second would be install it, third would be choose an output rendering type (X11, xorg, opengl, etc)...
Some hardware just sucks. It doesn't matter what the platform is.
I hate answering like this, because it makes me out to be a Windows dude, even though I'm not... but oh well: it worked fine in XP (ATI driver works fine in XP, in other words).
The "Pulse" problem you're probably running into is Flash. It's one of the few
apps that doesn't "Play nice" with other sound apps. It has the same probleme with ALSA
too. IOW, Adobe is dropping the ball again.
I am pretty sure it's Amarok 2/kde/phonon trying to work with alsa/pulseaudio/gnome/etc. Eventually went back to ALSA which works beter, and am using songbird which doesn't require the KDE libs and phonon. You're right, firefox/flash+pulse is also an issue,but that's not what I was referring to, and didn't specifically mention flash...
Incidentally, before you pretend Pulse works great on Ubuntu, try looking at Ubuntu's forums. There are various complaints about it and a guie about how to use ALSA instead of the default PulseAudio. Apparently, this isn't just a weird CannonballHead issue:)
Want to rant at something/someone? Rant at Adobe. Plenty of Windows users will be right there with you.
Don't worry, I will. But this topic wasn't about Adobe. Just because Adobe and Linux don't always get along doesn't mean all of Linux's problems are because of Adobe, even if they are related...
and that's more due to Firefox' marketing campaigns than anything else.
Exactly.
I don't think Linux World Domination SHOULD come. Joe User, like with anything, is going to base his decisions primarily on marketing, right? That's how most people, including you and me, do it. That's how, IMO, Apple is popular.
Convincing someone, by the way, that browser != IE isn't all that difficult. My parents are basically Joe User (ok, Joe and Jane User). They understand (now) that "browser" != "internet"... and, incidentally, are using Ubuntu.
I find it harder to explain the concept of files, directories, what the "deskotp" is, what "icons" are, etc. Browser != IE is actually a relatively easy concept compared to a filesystem, hehe.
And I'm stuck (thought, I have to admit, I don't particularly mind) using Sibelius on Windows. (music person)
3D games are the killer app for a lot of Windows users... but then, I don't care much about that demographic anymore, I guess. I guess Wine will suffice for the 3D side of things. Or ports (e.g., Neverwinter Nights got ported to Linux). But spending lots of energy/money on trying to get the gamers to switch to Linux... well, I don't know if most of them care. The people that do care and complain about it are a lot smaller percentage of the population than the people that don't care and just use Windows because they like playing games... at least, IMO:)
I think the, as you put it, productivity machine is where Linux should be going towards... not just scientific though, but office and home as well. Most "home" users probably don't need Far Cry 2, but they "need" video, audio, etc., to work seamlessly, need an office suite, calendar, e-mail, web, etc... I guess that's my point: those apps can all be substituted, you don't have to run Office in wine or a VM.
I've never bearded a dragon, that sounds difficult. What if the dragon hasn't gone through puberty yet?:-o
Joking aside, I disagree. Linux needs to be good (and easy, if you want the same market share and same market demographic) at the SAME THINGS, but not necessarily the SAME PROGRAMS. There's a vast difference.
Now, being able to go between the two - including file formats - is important. But I don't need to run, say, MS Office on Linux. I do use OpenOffice 3 and it works well (except for Impress, last time I tried using it). And going between MS and OO.org isn't a problem, for the most part.
Firefox, chatting (I even used Pidgin on Windows), etc.
Where I see Ubuntu (8.10 and just upgraded to 9.04) right now is multimedia. Video playback isn't all that great, Flash video full screen is jerky (not related to sound)... (I know, video drivers [ATI], but you're not going to convince the average person that Linux IS better, it's ATI that's the problem...). Sound can sometimes get tied up between applications. PulseAudio is not very standard yet and doesn't work with all apps. Songbird is an OK itunes replacement but it's not as good. Amarok 2 doesn't play well with Gnome/ALSA/Pulse as far as it running and other sound-enabled apps running.
I think the Linux community needs to focus more on being able to do the basic stuff easily and well, and forget trying to run Quake 3 or Far Cry or Half-Life 2 [or whatever] with a higher FPS than native in Windows.
(and by the way, lest anyone think I'm just an Ubuntu guy and not a Linux guy, I used opensuse and only recently switched to ubuntu [after trying a variety of other ones, including Mint, Mandriva, etc) at home, and redhat/SLES[/hpux/solaris/aix] at work)
Shameless reply to myself to explain that I misread one of the graphs on recovery.org, but it doesn't get any better: the graph was for a $500m package to "Department of the Interior of Indian Affairs Investments."
Because history shows that when the US government gets more money, they save it or pay off the national debt? I'm not too sure history actually shows that, nor, especially, does the Democrat party (whether or not Obama is anything different is somewhat irrelevant, as Reid and Pelosi, et. al., are pretty typical Democrats) particularly like NOT spending. Based on what they do, not what they say (as with most politicians, speaking and doing are somewhat unrelated).
Yes, when people talk about cutting wasteful spending, we are referring to fire departments and roads. Which is why we hated the recent stimulus bill. It spent so much on roads and fire departments.
Sarcasm aside, even according to recovery.gov, twice as much was spent on schools than on roads. I didn't see fire departments listed.
Sorry, the fire department thing kinda irked me, because in California there's a special election that's pretty much all about more school spending, but ads for Vote-Yes-On-1X always mention "policemen" and "firefighters." Instead of "think of the children" it's "think of the firefighters."
By the way. Those that want lower taxes are not "anti-tax." We're anti "oops we spent too much, raise taxes" instead of "oops we spent too much, cut spending," anti unfair taxing (I may just be stupid, simple, and old fashioned, but flat taxing sounds fair to me), etc.
If only we could force them to at least be reviewed by 16 people and public knowledge, like in France...
Um... you are comparing Presidential loopholes to Parliamentary loopholes and then comparing America's government to France's government on that basis? You might want to first look at the rest of France's government before deciding France's governmental system is better. (or worse)
Indeed. I wonder if a lot of animals would naturally, for example, choose a large pile of food over a small pile of food. Of course, then one gets into the smell stuff, too.
Shame on everyone that left early because they didn't care about anything else that was left.
I have to say I agree. It's not like they had to leave to go to work or something, I suppose. They likely get paid to be in parliament and vote on things..
Citation? Not that I necessarily doubt you but this is news to me, I wouldn't mind reading a bit on it. It seems to me to be a very odd usage of the word "code."
I don't know what Clear Channel is, but "clearwire" makes sense. Clear the wires. It's a wireLESS company. Clear Wire. "NoWire" would have been *ahem* clearer *cough* but is kinda corny looking.
Seems that when a study slashdotters don't agree with (video games "boost" teen violence), we get a huge amount of "correlation != causation" posts and tags. When it's a study that slashdotters agree with or like (visiting slashdot during work improves your performance; don't feel guilty!), we're a little bit more lax on the fact that it's just as guilty of faulty logic, typical statistics, etc...
I'm sure I'm pointing out the obvious, but seems not many others have yet, so:)
It's true about the sound... and there are plenty of other issues as well.
Some distros admittedly do it better than others. Some, however, get ruined by trying to be "more cutting edge" even though "cutting edge" often means "buggy":) (e.g., PulseAudio. It's cool, but it definitely doesn't work perfectly at the moment...)
When you try to get someone to switch from something that WORKS (Windows) to something that "might work" or "should work" and they find out that it "doesn't work" or "doesn't work very well" or "works sometimes"... that's not a Good Thing for your Image (tm). When I go from Windows XP (sound is fine, video is fine) to Linux (say, Ubuntu... sound I had to switch it back to alsa to get it to work properly with multiple apps; I can't use Amarok well because it's KDE [it sorta works but not completely], there isn't as good of one for Ubuntu [trying out Songbird right now]; video playback took an hour to get working [libdvdcss2 was installed but not working for whatever reason...])... I use it because I want to. Someone else isn't going to switch because they "want to." And who knows, viruses once a year may be better, in their minds, than constantly struggling with the system.:)
These are some of the critiques that need to be looked at objectively, not "But it's open source/free! That outweighs any of these problems! It's an ethical issue!"
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Hmmm. Desiring profit from a good work (or a bad work, but let's presume a good one for the sake of the argument) to enable one to continue exerting effort to producing more good works... that's bad control?
Of course, at least in the music publishing business, most publishing houses TAKE the rights to your work. You no longer have it. Can't even copy it yourself. That's frustrating.
But we seem to be talking about even the author not having control over it. It's not really about "having control," it's about being able to profit from from the work I did, isn't it?
If we're talking about publishing houses and not authors, then I think the discussion changes...
But doesn't that depend? Yes, after a certain amount of time it should expire, etc.
But just because I wrote something doesn't mean you have my permission to copy it. And just because you feel that books should be able to be copied doesn't mean I feel the same way... so why should your view trump mine?
In other words... if I write a book and don't want it freely copied, I think I should be allowed to have that right. The right to forbid it from being copied. If you want it freely copied, you should have the right to allow that. And the right to grant/deny those permissions should die eventually, probably something like ... I don't know, when I die, since I'm the one that wrote it.
Maybe he needs to finance another space trip :)
I didn't change from mint to Ubuntu, I tried mint... and Ubuntu, and a few other distros.
I liked KDE... wasn't a fan of KDE 4.2 so much though (and had used 4.0 and 4.1 as well). I found KDE to be a bit clunky, and gnome ran much better on my system. IIRC, that was the main reason for not choosing Mint. (also, KDE's knetworkmanager never worked well with my Intel wireless card/WEP)
Have to say I'm fairly happy with Ubuntu. I miss some KDE apps though... like Kate, one of the best text editors I've used... :)
Why insult the gnats?
:)
OT part of my post: twittering during a service is stupid, and to me, implies that there isn't enough to think about (or be involved in) during the service. So much for Biblical commands to love God with your MIND, too....
Hm. You're right, Christians (nominal and true) are human, and at times do all those things.
But if you have never heard of or seen a church where its members are generally characterized but what you just mentioned.. well, I know they exist. I think they tend to, however, be on the strong side as far as preaching against sin, etc., as well. In other words, most people are not going to find the preaching all that nice - it's primarily convicting. Which makes sense, if you think about it... if the whole love one another, judging, gossip, etc., is what is "right"/Godly, then not doing that is sin... so conviction about it seems to be a primary goal of preaching the Bible. Which means it is rather uncomfortable for those that want their "ears tickled," which is what you appear to be referring to. And which is why, IMO, most really Biblical churches tend to be rather small. You don't come get convicted about the sin in your life for "fun."
If you're really interested... erg, I don't want to come across haughty or arrogant :P But if you're interested, I think I could probably give you a link to a pastor of a church that you said you want to find. Sermons are online, etc. I think you'd probably find the preaching to be somewhat abnormal as far as typical mainstream Christianity goes (and no, it's not like the Mars Hill Mark Driscoll either). Long (60+ minutes), Biblical, excitedly preached by someone who really believes it, who loves Christ, and whose "ambition" is to be more like Him. If you're interested, let me know... :)
You're on crack. Video playback is ****ing great under Ubuntu. Installing support for strange video files is DEAD easy compared to Windows or MacOS.
Not on crack, and it's not. I watched a DVD with VLC last evening. Stuttered occasionally in full screen. Possibly because I had three VLC's open, but only one actually had anything loaded so that would be pretty pathetic if it was. Codecs, etc., are installed. It's probably my video card configuration (used to have fglrx but not available in 9.04 at the moment ... at least for my card which is a bit older), but it's not "easily" fixable and it's not "dead easy compared to Windows." Windows: install driver, restart computer... the first step in Ubuntu, at the moment, would be find driver... second would be install it, third would be choose an output rendering type (X11, xorg, opengl, etc)...
Some hardware just sucks. It doesn't matter what the platform is.
I hate answering like this, because it makes me out to be a Windows dude, even though I'm not... but oh well: it worked fine in XP (ATI driver works fine in XP, in other words).
The "Pulse" problem you're probably running into is Flash. It's one of the few apps that doesn't "Play nice" with other sound apps. It has the same probleme with ALSA too. IOW, Adobe is dropping the ball again.
I am pretty sure it's Amarok 2/kde/phonon trying to work with alsa/pulseaudio/gnome/etc. Eventually went back to ALSA which works beter, and am using songbird which doesn't require the KDE libs and phonon. You're right, firefox/flash+pulse is also an issue ,but that's not what I was referring to, and didn't specifically mention flash...
Incidentally, before you pretend Pulse works great on Ubuntu, try looking at Ubuntu's forums. There are various complaints about it and a guie about how to use ALSA instead of the default PulseAudio. Apparently, this isn't just a weird CannonballHead issue :)
Want to rant at something/someone? Rant at Adobe. Plenty of Windows users will be right there with you.
Don't worry, I will. But this topic wasn't about Adobe. Just because Adobe and Linux don't always get along doesn't mean all of Linux's problems are because of Adobe, even if they are related...
and that's more due to Firefox' marketing campaigns than anything else.
Exactly.
I don't think Linux World Domination SHOULD come. Joe User, like with anything, is going to base his decisions primarily on marketing, right? That's how most people, including you and me, do it. That's how, IMO, Apple is popular.
Convincing someone, by the way, that browser != IE isn't all that difficult. My parents are basically Joe User (ok, Joe and Jane User). They understand (now) that "browser" != "internet" ... and, incidentally, are using Ubuntu.
I find it harder to explain the concept of files, directories, what the "deskotp" is, what "icons" are, etc. Browser != IE is actually a relatively easy concept compared to a filesystem, hehe.
And I'm stuck (thought, I have to admit, I don't particularly mind) using Sibelius on Windows. (music person)
3D games are the killer app for a lot of Windows users... but then, I don't care much about that demographic anymore, I guess. I guess Wine will suffice for the 3D side of things. Or ports (e.g., Neverwinter Nights got ported to Linux). But spending lots of energy/money on trying to get the gamers to switch to Linux ... well, I don't know if most of them care. The people that do care and complain about it are a lot smaller percentage of the population than the people that don't care and just use Windows because they like playing games... at least, IMO :)
I think the, as you put it, productivity machine is where Linux should be going towards... not just scientific though, but office and home as well. Most "home" users probably don't need Far Cry 2, but they "need" video, audio, etc., to work seamlessly, need an office suite, calendar, e-mail, web, etc... I guess that's my point: those apps can all be substituted, you don't have to run Office in wine or a VM.
I've never bearded a dragon, that sounds difficult. What if the dragon hasn't gone through puberty yet? :-o
Joking aside, I disagree. Linux needs to be good (and easy, if you want the same market share and same market demographic) at the SAME THINGS, but not necessarily the SAME PROGRAMS. There's a vast difference.
Now, being able to go between the two - including file formats - is important. But I don't need to run, say, MS Office on Linux. I do use OpenOffice 3 and it works well (except for Impress, last time I tried using it). And going between MS and OO.org isn't a problem, for the most part.
Firefox, chatting (I even used Pidgin on Windows), etc.
Where I see Ubuntu (8.10 and just upgraded to 9.04) right now is multimedia. Video playback isn't all that great, Flash video full screen is jerky (not related to sound) ... (I know, video drivers [ATI], but you're not going to convince the average person that Linux IS better, it's ATI that's the problem...). Sound can sometimes get tied up between applications. PulseAudio is not very standard yet and doesn't work with all apps. Songbird is an OK itunes replacement but it's not as good. Amarok 2 doesn't play well with Gnome/ALSA/Pulse as far as it running and other sound-enabled apps running.
I think the Linux community needs to focus more on being able to do the basic stuff easily and well, and forget trying to run Quake 3 or Far Cry or Half-Life 2 [or whatever] with a higher FPS than native in Windows.
(and by the way, lest anyone think I'm just an Ubuntu guy and not a Linux guy, I used opensuse and only recently switched to ubuntu [after trying a variety of other ones, including Mint, Mandriva, etc) at home, and redhat/SLES[/hpux/solaris/aix] at work)
Shameless reply to myself to explain that I misread one of the graphs on recovery.org, but it doesn't get any better: the graph was for a $500m package to "Department of the Interior of Indian Affairs Investments."
we could take down the debt some
Because history shows that when the US government gets more money, they save it or pay off the national debt? I'm not too sure history actually shows that, nor, especially, does the Democrat party (whether or not Obama is anything different is somewhat irrelevant, as Reid and Pelosi, et. al., are pretty typical Democrats) particularly like NOT spending. Based on what they do, not what they say (as with most politicians, speaking and doing are somewhat unrelated).
Yes, when people talk about cutting wasteful spending, we are referring to fire departments and roads. Which is why we hated the recent stimulus bill. It spent so much on roads and fire departments.
Sarcasm aside, even according to recovery.gov, twice as much was spent on schools than on roads. I didn't see fire departments listed.
Sorry, the fire department thing kinda irked me, because in California there's a special election that's pretty much all about more school spending, but ads for Vote-Yes-On-1X always mention "policemen" and "firefighters." Instead of "think of the children" it's "think of the firefighters."
By the way. Those that want lower taxes are not "anti-tax." We're anti "oops we spent too much, raise taxes" instead of "oops we spent too much, cut spending," anti unfair taxing (I may just be stupid, simple, and old fashioned, but flat taxing sounds fair to me), etc.
If only we could force them to at least be reviewed by 16 people and public knowledge, like in France...
Um... you are comparing Presidential loopholes to Parliamentary loopholes and then comparing America's government to France's government on that basis? You might want to first look at the rest of France's government before deciding France's governmental system is better. (or worse)
since when does c-span, quorum calls or no quorum calls, make for good tv? :P
Indeed. I wonder if a lot of animals would naturally, for example, choose a large pile of food over a small pile of food. Of course, then one gets into the smell stuff, too.
I don't see what real, actual chickens have to do with KFC. ;)
Shame on everyone that left early because they didn't care about anything else that was left.
I have to say I agree. It's not like they had to leave to go to work or something, I suppose. They likely get paid to be in parliament and vote on things..
Citation? Not that I necessarily doubt you but this is news to me, I wouldn't mind reading a bit on it. It seems to me to be a very odd usage of the word "code."
I don't know what Clear Channel is, but "clearwire" makes sense. Clear the wires. It's a wireLESS company. Clear Wire. "NoWire" would have been *ahem* clearer *cough* but is kinda corny looking.
Hamilton and Polhemus built a computer code based on the equations
"Built a computer code" ... can you build "a" computer code?
I mean, I know you can. ... or something...
int x = 0;
Look, ma, I built a computer code!
At first I thought it said "a computer code base" ... that'd make sense. But it's "a computer code based on..."
Exactly what I was going to say...
Seems that when a study slashdotters don't agree with (video games "boost" teen violence), we get a huge amount of "correlation != causation" posts and tags. When it's a study that slashdotters agree with or like (visiting slashdot during work improves your performance; don't feel guilty!), we're a little bit more lax on the fact that it's just as guilty of faulty logic, typical statistics, etc...
I'm sure I'm pointing out the obvious, but seems not many others have yet, so :)
used game market is seeing significant growth -- it'll be interesting to see what publishers learn from this.
Ooo oo oo, I know, pick me! Publishers will learn that they should publish used games! ... hm, wait...
It's true about the sound... and there are plenty of other issues as well.
Some distros admittedly do it better than others. Some, however, get ruined by trying to be "more cutting edge" even though "cutting edge" often means "buggy" :) (e.g., PulseAudio. It's cool, but it definitely doesn't work perfectly at the moment...)
When you try to get someone to switch from something that WORKS (Windows) to something that "might work" or "should work" and they find out that it "doesn't work" or "doesn't work very well" or "works sometimes" ... that's not a Good Thing for your Image (tm). When I go from Windows XP (sound is fine, video is fine) to Linux (say, Ubuntu... sound I had to switch it back to alsa to get it to work properly with multiple apps; I can't use Amarok well because it's KDE [it sorta works but not completely], there isn't as good of one for Ubuntu [trying out Songbird right now]; video playback took an hour to get working [libdvdcss2 was installed but not working for whatever reason...]) ... I use it because I want to. Someone else isn't going to switch because they "want to." And who knows, viruses once a year may be better, in their minds, than constantly struggling with the system. :)
These are some of the critiques that need to be looked at objectively, not "But it's open source/free! That outweighs any of these problems! It's an ethical issue!"
Oh, cool, so it's like an expansion back?
(incidentally, I remember playing Descent...)