it doesn't matter if you didn't "know" it wasn't stolen
You stole my pee from the water supply. Do you know how much I sell that for on the open market? Are you aware that some people will pay $6 million/dram for that stuff?
Too bad copyright holders aren't protected by the Constitution. Only authors and inventors are. As such, the federal government is only allowed to legislate in the interests of inventors and creators. To create a third class, "copyright holders", is outside their jurisdiction.
So... When are the courts going to start asking the politicians to play by the rules set down by the 9th and 10th Amendments?
Considering hazardous waste disposal laws, I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to take a tissue, which you've used to stifle the cut on your arm from that rose bush, and dispose of it in your trash can. It hasn't been properly treated, nor is the local waste disposal company an authorized treatment center for biological hazards.
I was actually thinking about the bathroom, but then I thought that your local water company, via their sewar contract with you, may be an authorized biohazard TSTD (transportation, storage, treatment, and disposal) facility.
Regardless. Everyone's a criminal and subject to prosecution for federal hazardous waste treatment violations. Being "illegal" is just part of life.
The point is, you don't have a RIGHT to purchase music
On that train, they could choose to quit distributing the music and movies to pirates, and thus solve the whole problem without all the legal prosecution BS.
But this whole "we're gonna download whether they like or not, they need to change" mentality, where the implication is that you will stop an illegal activity if they promise to do something you want, sounds kinda like blackmail to me.
This pee is mine. This is my product. I sell it for $1 x 10^50 per milliliter. I distribute this pee into the public water supply relying on you water drinkers to honestly come back to me and pay for it. When you don't, I'm going to hunt you down and sue you. Even if you only drank one molecule of my pee, you still owe me somewhere around $2000.
Oh? What's that? You're going to continue to drink water without paying me until I decide to lower my price for my pee?
Now, not only do we have to pay three times that amount to get in, we have to put up with forced marketing messages.
You're supposed to appreciate the extra content. Like software that costs $200... because "It can do all these extra things". Useless add-ons to justify higher prices in the interest of profit is pretty common in the world. See insurance and service plans.:)
That falls under my right to pursue my own line of work rather than wasting my time on politics. It's not my fault there are bad laws. Until someone fixes them I'm going to ignore them.
if you worked for a company for two weeks and then they chose not to pay you, most people on this forum would consider that a type of theft
Sure, but unless you can afford an attorney to serve the subpoena for the company employment record (before they shred your file), you're screwed anyways.
I should be able to walk into a movie theater and watch a movie without paying
By your logic, the MPAA/RIAA should put armed guards at every distributor to shake down everyone who buys a CD,"You're not going to take that home and put it on the 'net, are you?"
Don't like piracy? DON'T SELL TO PIRATES. Quit prosecuting the customers at the marketplace.
If I steal a stereo, and legitimately sell it at a pawn shop, can the pawn shop owner or the next person who buys the stereo be charged with theft? I hope not.
I know I'm old-fashioned, but I think coders should be paid for their work.
The fact that they're still coding says that they still have food, shelter, clothing (most likely), electricity, and Mt. Dew. So they're getting paid somehow, at some level of happiness.
No one forced them to choose GPL. They did because they believe in it, and they can still eat and sleep in a warm and dry place.
guaranteed to keep your system virus free AND improve your gas mileage!
Described in this patent is a method of improving the gas mileage of a car by using the information gathered by a firewall to regulate the fuel injection module.
Prior art? It's specific enough that I doubt there is any. Anybody know of software that traces geographically incoming connections, 'cause I don't.
Holy cats. What rock do you live under?
Even as early as 1993 there was a graphical traceroute on the NeXT systems which attempted to put whois data together with traceroutes. I googled for a while but couldn't find it specifically.
There is the GeoTrace project on sf.net. That's been there since at least 2001.
Googling for "geographical traceroute" turns up a host of online web services who purport to do this very thing.
I even saw a geographical traceroute in the debian packages list at one time when I was reading through it. I just searched debian.org for "traceroute" and didn't see it. It's either been removed or it isn't indexed with the world traceroute.
I fear a world where Microsoft has a patent on "Operating System"
I think it would be "Method of configuring a computer to spread viruses"
In the same train of thought: could one patent a "Method of encoding a self-replicating computer program", release it under a non-transferrable license, and then sue the crap out of everyone who gets infected?
Your assertion was that, since securing exclusive rights to authors and creators is in the Constitution proper and freedom of speech is the First Amendment, that the rights of authors and creators supersedes freedom of speech.
And... again I say... I think you misunderstand the meaning of Amendment.
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it doesn't matter if you didn't "know" it wasn't stolen
You stole my pee from the water supply. Do you know how much I sell that for on the open market? Are you aware that some people will pay $6 million/dram for that stuff?
You owe me at least $150k per infringement.
Copyright holders ... per 17 USC 504(b)
Too bad copyright holders aren't protected by the Constitution. Only authors and inventors are. As such, the federal government is only allowed to legislate in the interests of inventors and creators. To create a third class, "copyright holders", is outside their jurisdiction.
So... When are the courts going to start asking the politicians to play by the rules set down by the 9th and 10th Amendments?
Considering hazardous waste disposal laws, I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to take a tissue, which you've used to stifle the cut on your arm from that rose bush, and dispose of it in your trash can. It hasn't been properly treated, nor is the local waste disposal company an authorized treatment center for biological hazards.
I was actually thinking about the bathroom, but then I thought that your local water company, via their sewar contract with you, may be an authorized biohazard TSTD (transportation, storage, treatment, and disposal) facility.
Regardless. Everyone's a criminal and subject to prosecution for federal hazardous waste treatment violations. Being "illegal" is just part of life.
Stuck in the trunk, on the way to the drive-in.
... obviously over your head.
C&C
if you take someone right to distribute their own creative work
Except that the *AA haven't actually created anything. They're hired thugs, nothing more. They shouldn't even be involved in this.
only succiding in creating a cultural icon of the 1960s: a ride in a trunk to the drive-in cinema.
Hey man... you got a crowbar or something?
17 USC 106: The copyright holder
Unconstitutional. The Constitution says nothing of "copyright holder", only authors and inventors.
17 USC 501: Anyone who violates any of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder
Similarly unconstitutional.
17 USC 504: A copyright holder
ad nauseum.
The point is, you don't have a RIGHT to purchase music
On that train, they could choose to quit distributing the music and movies to pirates, and thus solve the whole problem without all the legal prosecution BS.
And this, I guess, is why a true democracy can never work.
I vote. That's my civic duty. It's not my fault that the laws have rigged a pyramid scheme.
A true democracy would work if the courts would hold the politicians to the rules of the game. Specifically, the 9th and 10th Amendments.
But this whole "we're gonna download whether they like or not, they need to change" mentality, where the implication is that you will stop an illegal activity if they promise to do something you want, sounds kinda like blackmail to me.
This pee is mine. This is my product. I sell it for $1 x 10^50 per milliliter. I distribute this pee into the public water supply relying on you water drinkers to honestly come back to me and pay for it. When you don't, I'm going to hunt you down and sue you. Even if you only drank one molecule of my pee, you still owe me somewhere around $2000.
Oh? What's that? You're going to continue to drink water without paying me until I decide to lower my price for my pee?
American steel workers went the way of the horse and buggy too.
So... what you're saying is that eventually Hollywood will move to South America, or Asia, or South Africa?
Good riddance...
Now, not only do we have to pay three times that amount to get in, we have to put up with forced marketing messages.
:)
You're supposed to appreciate the extra content. Like software that costs $200... because "It can do all these extra things". Useless add-ons to justify higher prices in the interest of profit is pretty common in the world. See insurance and service plans.
Then try to CHANGE the law
That falls under my right to pursue my own line of work rather than wasting my time on politics. It's not my fault there are bad laws. Until someone fixes them I'm going to ignore them.
if you worked for a company for two weeks and then they chose not to pay you, most people on this forum would consider that a type of theft
Sure, but unless you can afford an attorney to serve the subpoena for the company employment record (before they shred your file), you're screwed anyways.
"selective enforcement"
You've just described the entire function of the US. No. I'm not joking. Yes. I'm being completely serious.
Be a cynic. Life makes so much more sense that way.
I should be able to walk into a movie theater and watch a movie without paying
By your logic, the MPAA/RIAA should put armed guards at every distributor to shake down everyone who buys a CD,"You're not going to take that home and put it on the 'net, are you?"
Don't like piracy? DON'T SELL TO PIRATES. Quit prosecuting the customers at the marketplace.
If I steal a stereo, and legitimately sell it at a pawn shop, can the pawn shop owner or the next person who buys the stereo be charged with theft? I hope not.
Do you think the MPAA and RIAA should stand idly by and not care when people download and enjoy (or hate) for free all of their products?
Yes. Why should they waste their time and effort making up for the mistakes the distributors make?
"What? You sold copies of our movies to pirates?"
If anything... hold the inept distributors responsible for selling it to people who are known to copy movies.
You blatantly missed his point.
And so will the attorneys if someone ever dares to threaten McAfee's market with any implementation which remotely resembles graphical traceroute.
Here... lemme remove those horse blinders for you. They seem to be affecting your peripheral vision. You'll get blindsided one day.
I know I'm old-fashioned, but I think coders should be paid for their work.
The fact that they're still coding says that they still have food, shelter, clothing (most likely), electricity, and Mt. Dew. So they're getting paid somehow, at some level of happiness.
No one forced them to choose GPL. They did because they believe in it, and they can still eat and sleep in a warm and dry place.
No more GPL bashing.
guaranteed to keep your system virus free AND improve your gas mileage!
Described in this patent is a method of improving the gas mileage of a car by using the information gathered by a firewall to regulate the fuel injection module.
Prior art? It's specific enough that I doubt there is any. Anybody know of software that traces geographically incoming connections, 'cause I don't.
Holy cats. What rock do you live under?
Even as early as 1993 there was a graphical traceroute on the NeXT systems which attempted to put whois data together with traceroutes. I googled for a while but couldn't find it specifically.
There is the GeoTrace project on sf.net. That's been there since at least 2001.
Googling for "geographical traceroute" turns up a host of online web services who purport to do this very thing.
I even saw a geographical traceroute in the debian packages list at one time when I was reading through it. I just searched debian.org for "traceroute" and didn't see it. It's either been removed or it isn't indexed with the world traceroute.
I fear a world where Microsoft has a patent on "Operating System"
I think it would be "Method of configuring a computer to spread viruses"
In the same train of thought: could one patent a "Method of encoding a self-replicating computer program", release it under a non-transferrable license, and then sue the crap out of everyone who gets infected?
stick to the assertions
Your assertion was that, since securing exclusive rights to authors and creators is in the Constitution proper and freedom of speech is the First Amendment, that the rights of authors and creators supersedes freedom of speech.
And... again I say... I think you misunderstand the meaning of Amendment.
I think we have had a good system...in prior years
If, by prior years, you mean somewhere around 1800.
t was not broke, and what has gone on clearly has not fixed it but made it worse.
Indeed.
I'm afraid your views and fears about I/O are unfounded
Cry me a river.
Learn more before judging.
I know more than you do.