I'm not the AC above but without root that's about the only way they could work on a stock Android ROM. The last time I had an Android phone that needed that kind of app management was my Motorola Droid which labored under a miniscule 256 MB of RAM which only left over about 50 or 60 MB for user apps after everything else was loaded up. Some apps that don't automatically respawn will behave well when you kill them and not come back right away. Other apps only start a service when you load the main app itself but when the app isn't being used anymore, the service would still hang around. Killing that would be helpful at least until the next time you started that app. In my situation, it was a toss-up between somewhat diminished battery life and a laboriously slow phone due to the constant loading and unloading of RAM everytime I switched apps. If somebody had a phone with 512 MB or above and relied on a task killer to maintain speed and stability then they need to stop treating the symptoms and start uninstalling some misbehaving apps.
I am curious about one thing in the Android architecture though. In the developer options if your phone has those, you can force Android to only keep X number of apps running at any one time all the way down to forcing it to only be a single-tasking device. Why didn't they also instead of just killing background apps, give an option to send a SIGSTOP signal and completely pause the apps and just send a SIGCONT when you bring it back to the top of the stack? That seems like a reasonable middle-ground that could be user selectable.
I think the main difference is that with US dollars and practically any other well established mainstream currency, even if it fluctuates a bit over the course of a day or week or whatever, if you bought a loaf of bread before the fluctuation for 2.99 then that loaf of bread will probably still be 2.99 afterwards. Typical retailers don't peg their products to the perturbations of currency valuation on any kind of a short term basis. I suspect that the expectation is different with bitcoin though I haven't sought out confirmation of this in practice.
The thing is that the even though some regard the walled garden thing to be a problem, it's a problem that most consumers are ok with, or indifferent to.
You're responding to an easily assailable strawman and chopping it down. If I were more cynical, I'd think you wrote the AC comment you're replying to.
The politician gave very clear reasons why he didn't want to use the iPad and it wasn't some vague notion of "walled garden = do not want". He rejected it because in his opinion he lacked control over data stored on the device. He wondered if the data is backed up and the back-up service gets breeched then the public will be severely harmed. My Polish is non-existent and Google translate isn't much better but I'm pretty sure that's the jist of his complaint and deserves more credence than the condescending and vague "walled garden" presumption. As far as what "consumers" want, I don't think this MP was making a general statement on iPad suitability and the consequences of his data falling into the wrong hands would effect many more people than the typical consumer's data would.
I'd like it if somebody could explain to my why saying you should be able to do whatever you want with your phone is worth a negative moderation. Heh.
You were probably modded down because you responded "you shouldn't have to" to someone with an argument that will be perceived as a strawman by some (assuming knowledge of v. 4 and above) about having to root Android and "install a new mod" to get rid of built-in applications as the first half of that isn't true as of ICS and the latter half is just plain false. Gingerbread and back, yes you had to do the first part but now you just hit "disable" and you're done. It doesn't actually delete the app from your phone but other than the fact that it still is taking up space on the internal storage, it is functionally the same. A good argument could be that GB is still the majority of the Android market but if that's what both of you were referring to then a little more specificity might help. It's also true that you might not really want to completely delete carrier stuff as one mans worthless cycle sucking junk is another man's "Sprint Nascar" gold when it comes time to sell that old thing on craigslist.
I didn't say it was okay on the iPhone. I didn't mention the iPhone at all. I said you shouldn't have to. Do you really think I like having a folder called "shit I don't want"?
I only mentioned the iPhone because in an interesting turn of events, with Android you now have more control over built-in apps than you do with the iPhone due to the aforementioned disableability of even the core apps like Browser whereas before, the iPhone was arguably better since it lacked carrier branded junk apps in the first place.
At least you actually have alternative parties. I bet they are on the ballot across the country too. Here we have exactly one third party candidate that's on the ballot in all 50 states.
In my opinion, this is one of the greatest failings of the political system in the United States. If we had a system whereby third party candidates could get a seat even if they didn't "win" it all then people would actually get some exposure to alternative non-Republicrat party line debate on the issues. Things would have a chance to "click" which is very difficult on a campaign trail as the main preoccupation is getting votes not deep reflection on solving difficult problems. What happens now is the 2 major parties suck all the oxygen out of the room and the other guys end up just preaching to their respective choirs. That will be very hard to change but I think the real catalyst is people are so caught up in the Democrat/Republican us vs. them trope that they don't even see a problem.
It's true that gross revenue is a pretty meaningless statistic as far as net profitability is concerned however, one thing is for sure. If they are taking in a ton of money and spending it, they are spending it on something and that gives them power. If they crack the whip on their suppliers after spending millions of dollars vs. another company that is spending much less, those suppliers will be a lot more apt to listen and submit. If they squander that kind of power then that's their mistake but gross revenue is probably a more important statistic than some people realize.
But...but...but the Free Market (TM) is supposed to take care of all this. It must be over regulation!
Yes, if only there were a model of a real competitive phone market somewhere that we could learn from. Possibly a magical land where it would be common for you to buy your device and get the service separately. Where if one were fed up with carrier A, they could just chuck the sim in the trash and insert one from carrier B. Imagine how cheap phones and service would be with carriers actually competing for your business!
Yeah, I know *insert needle being scraped across record* stop dreaming and get back to work.
You shouldn't have to [only be able to disable built-in apps].
I have never seen a phone that didn't have frivolous undeletable applications. Take "Game Center" on the iPhone for example. At least on Android, you could disable it on ICS and above which will remove it from your menu and prevent it from running. And you can do that with any of the built-in apps including Browser, Google Talk, etc. On iOS, you're stuck with the undesireables with the best you can do being to banish them to a rarely used homescreen.
You should root it and install a new mod to remove all those 'baked in apps'.
You don't even need install a mod. Just root and open a shell directly to the/system/app directory and delete what you don't want.
DISCLAIMER: If you delete the wrong thing, you will break your phone. If you made it this far though, you can find an article on xda-developers somewhere telling you exactly what you can delete and what you can't on your particular phone. And if one doesn't exist, make a topic about it and solicit contributions.
In the tablet market, compared to HP, Samsung is executing with razor sharp focus approaching sublimity. HP didn't have the stomach to keep the Touchpad on the market for two good months. They didn't market it worth a shit and the hardware was lackluster. If WebOS had been well cared for, it could have at least made some money and been a worthy competitor to the iPad especially since Honeycomb Android tablets at the time were unadulterated garbage. HP had a chance. Now you have iOS 6, the Nexus 7 with Jellybean and Windows 8/RT with the full push of the Microsoft machine behind it. And HP is going to try to bring something else to the market? Get real. If they can make something notable with a 199 dollar or less price tag then they might have a chance. Otherwise forget it.
Not only that but after they abandoned the Touchpad before even giving it a chance, who the he'll would actually buy a "consumer" tablet from them. They're going to have to put a ton of effort to convince me and the people that look to me for tech suggestions.
You're probably right as it is in many people's nature to enjoy drama and with this kind of reaction, whoever reported the guy must be tickled to death.
Hell, me and my business owning buddies do this all the time. It's just posturing and pumping ourselves up. Nobody would rationally believe that I'm going to "drive $COMPETITOR before me whilst hearing the lamentations of their women". The things this guy was saying on Facebook is in no way comparable.
You can run around saying "nigger" all you want and the cops legally can't do anything about it. However, that doesn't mean that a little "social pressure" won't be applied if you say it in front of the wrong people.
This. The threats were credible and that is enough to get you arrested for assault in the US. If you make some stupid offhand comment you have little to worry but all signs point to this guy teetering on the edge. I'm just glad he gave a warning and can now get the help he needs.
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So how did yours work?
I'm not the AC above but without root that's about the only way they could work on a stock Android ROM. The last time I had an Android phone that needed that kind of app management was my Motorola Droid which labored under a miniscule 256 MB of RAM which only left over about 50 or 60 MB for user apps after everything else was loaded up. Some apps that don't automatically respawn will behave well when you kill them and not come back right away. Other apps only start a service when you load the main app itself but when the app isn't being used anymore, the service would still hang around. Killing that would be helpful at least until the next time you started that app. In my situation, it was a toss-up between somewhat diminished battery life and a laboriously slow phone due to the constant loading and unloading of RAM everytime I switched apps. If somebody had a phone with 512 MB or above and relied on a task killer to maintain speed and stability then they need to stop treating the symptoms and start uninstalling some misbehaving apps.
I am curious about one thing in the Android architecture though. In the developer options if your phone has those, you can force Android to only keep X number of apps running at any one time all the way down to forcing it to only be a single-tasking device. Why didn't they also instead of just killing background apps, give an option to send a SIGSTOP signal and completely pause the apps and just send a SIGCONT when you bring it back to the top of the stack? That seems like a reasonable middle-ground that could be user selectable.
How is that different from US dollars?
I think the main difference is that with US dollars and practically any other well established mainstream currency, even if it fluctuates a bit over the course of a day or week or whatever, if you bought a loaf of bread before the fluctuation for 2.99 then that loaf of bread will probably still be 2.99 afterwards. Typical retailers don't peg their products to the perturbations of currency valuation on any kind of a short term basis. I suspect that the expectation is different with bitcoin though I haven't sought out confirmation of this in practice.
Yo dawg, I heard you like analogies in your analogies...
The thing is that the even though some regard the walled garden thing to be a problem, it's a problem that most consumers are ok with, or indifferent to.
You're responding to an easily assailable strawman and chopping it down. If I were more cynical, I'd think you wrote the AC comment you're replying to.
The politician gave very clear reasons why he didn't want to use the iPad and it wasn't some vague notion of "walled garden = do not want". He rejected it because in his opinion he lacked control over data stored on the device. He wondered if the data is backed up and the back-up service gets breeched then the public will be severely harmed. My Polish is non-existent and Google translate isn't much better but I'm pretty sure that's the jist of his complaint and deserves more credence than the condescending and vague "walled garden" presumption. As far as what "consumers" want, I don't think this MP was making a general statement on iPad suitability and the consequences of his data falling into the wrong hands would effect many more people than the typical consumer's data would.
Your app just did force kill over and over?
Dear Gods that would wreak havok on battery life.
I'd like it if somebody could explain to my why saying you should be able to do whatever you want with your phone is worth a negative moderation. Heh.
You were probably modded down because you responded "you shouldn't have to" to someone with an argument that will be perceived as a strawman by some (assuming knowledge of v. 4 and above) about having to root Android and "install a new mod" to get rid of built-in applications as the first half of that isn't true as of ICS and the latter half is just plain false. Gingerbread and back, yes you had to do the first part but now you just hit "disable" and you're done. It doesn't actually delete the app from your phone but other than the fact that it still is taking up space on the internal storage, it is functionally the same. A good argument could be that GB is still the majority of the Android market but if that's what both of you were referring to then a little more specificity might help. It's also true that you might not really want to completely delete carrier stuff as one mans worthless cycle sucking junk is another man's "Sprint Nascar" gold when it comes time to sell that old thing on craigslist.
I didn't say it was okay on the iPhone. I didn't mention the iPhone at all. I said you shouldn't have to. Do you really think I like having a folder called "shit I don't want"?
I only mentioned the iPhone because in an interesting turn of events, with Android you now have more control over built-in apps than you do with the iPhone due to the aforementioned disableability of even the core apps like Browser whereas before, the iPhone was arguably better since it lacked carrier branded junk apps in the first place.
At least you actually have alternative parties. I bet they are on the ballot across the country too. Here we have exactly one third party candidate that's on the ballot in all 50 states.
In my opinion, this is one of the greatest failings of the political system in the United States. If we had a system whereby third party candidates could get a seat even if they didn't "win" it all then people would actually get some exposure to alternative non-Republicrat party line debate on the issues. Things would have a chance to "click" which is very difficult on a campaign trail as the main preoccupation is getting votes not deep reflection on solving difficult problems. What happens now is the 2 major parties suck all the oxygen out of the room and the other guys end up just preaching to their respective choirs. That will be very hard to change but I think the real catalyst is people are so caught up in the Democrat/Republican us vs. them trope that they don't even see a problem.
It's true that gross revenue is a pretty meaningless statistic as far as net profitability is concerned however, one thing is for sure. If they are taking in a ton of money and spending it, they are spending it on something and that gives them power. If they crack the whip on their suppliers after spending millions of dollars vs. another company that is spending much less, those suppliers will be a lot more apt to listen and submit. If they squander that kind of power then that's their mistake but gross revenue is probably a more important statistic than some people realize.
But...but...but the Free Market (TM) is supposed to take care of all this. It must be over regulation!
Yes, if only there were a model of a real competitive phone market somewhere that we could learn from. Possibly a magical land where it would be common for you to buy your device and get the service separately. Where if one were fed up with carrier A, they could just chuck the sim in the trash and insert one from carrier B. Imagine how cheap phones and service would be with carriers actually competing for your business!
Yeah, I know *insert needle being scraped across record* stop dreaming and get back to work.
Whatever team they have monitoring TOS violations must be real quick on the draw!
You shouldn't have to [only be able to disable built-in apps].
I have never seen a phone that didn't have frivolous undeletable applications. Take "Game Center" on the iPhone for example. At least on Android, you could disable it on ICS and above which will remove it from your menu and prevent it from running. And you can do that with any of the built-in apps including Browser, Google Talk, etc. On iOS, you're stuck with the undesireables with the best you can do being to banish them to a rarely used homescreen.
You should root it and install a new mod to remove all those 'baked in apps'.
You don't even need install a mod. Just root and open a shell directly to the /system/app directory and delete what you don't want.
DISCLAIMER: If you delete the wrong thing, you will break your phone. If you made it this far though, you can find an article on xda-developers somewhere telling you exactly what you can delete and what you can't on your particular phone. And if one doesn't exist, make a topic about it and solicit contributions.
to make the file immutable even by root and then unjailbreak if that's how you want the phone to be?
I doubt Apple's engineers set the phone to check for that sort of thing.
Admittedly I'm a Linux guy and not on top of how BSD differs but I'm sure you get the jist.
You can also file a complaint against At&t here here, and here. I heard there are some other places too but I'd suggest one of these guys first.
I love the irony implied by your sig.
ME: Preparing for pain, but not terribly concerned. Remaining silent and compliant.
And if you did, what was the cop's reaction?
Touché!
Screw you Slashdot and your lack of unicode support!
I find that very hard to believe.
Run around saying the word and find out.
In the tablet market, compared to HP, Samsung is executing with razor sharp focus approaching sublimity. HP didn't have the stomach to keep the Touchpad on the market for two good months. They didn't market it worth a shit and the hardware was lackluster. If WebOS had been well cared for, it could have at least made some money and been a worthy competitor to the iPad especially since Honeycomb Android tablets at the time were unadulterated garbage. HP had a chance. Now you have iOS 6, the Nexus 7 with Jellybean and Windows 8/RT with the full push of the Microsoft machine behind it. And HP is going to try to bring something else to the market? Get real. If they can make something notable with a 199 dollar or less price tag then they might have a chance. Otherwise forget it.
Not only that but after they abandoned the Touchpad before even giving it a chance, who the he'll would actually buy a "consumer" tablet from them. They're going to have to put a ton of effort to convince me and the people that look to me for tech suggestions.
You're probably right as it is in many people's nature to enjoy drama and with this kind of reaction, whoever reported the guy must be tickled to death.
Hell, me and my business owning buddies do this all the time. It's just posturing and pumping ourselves up. Nobody would rationally believe that I'm going to "drive $COMPETITOR before me whilst hearing the lamentations of their women". The things this guy was saying on Facebook is in no way comparable.
You can run around saying "nigger" all you want and the cops legally can't do anything about it. However, that doesn't mean that a little "social pressure" won't be applied if you say it in front of the wrong people.
This. The threats were credible and that is enough to get you arrested for assault in the US. If you make some stupid offhand comment you have little to worry but all signs point to this guy teetering on the edge. I'm just glad he gave a warning and can now get the help he needs.