Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure that in the US, if you threaten somebody and they have reason to believe that there is imminent danger of you carrying that threat out, that is legally assault and you can certainly be charged and taken to jail. Elsewhere YMMV.
The funny thing is I've heard worse conspiracy "war is coming" crap in my Sunday school class. I guess that's product of established organized religion so it's perfectly acceptable. Funny how that works.
You make a great point here. Consoles have actually bucked the appliance trend and have added layers of complexity since the days of solid state cartridges. Now they're networked jukeboxes, video players, web clients, and also mighty fine game machines. Probably the only thing keeping them from being full-fledged computers is Microsoft and Sony don't want to "confuse" the market and impact game sales.
While people in the tech world still dont believe it since we are biased, most consumers want a computer product to surf the web, watch movies look at Facebook and play angry birds ( or whatever is cool at the moment ).
I will believe this is really true when iPad/Android style tablets outsell laptops. That won't happen until iPads can do what laptops do and when that happens you will have just come full circle back to the general purpose computer. I'm not saying iPads aren't great because they are (I'm using one right now) but they cannot replace the traditional computer for most people as there are just too many edge cases and everybodie's edge case is a little bit different. Maybe aunt Tilly has a cd player in her car and wants to burn CDs. Maybe uncle Harry has that landscape magazine project he's been working on for years and has to edit multi-gigabyte images. Maybe your cousin has that ecommerce site he's working on and needs FTP, image editing, direct access to the database. And on and on. My main point is that for a device to function as a laptop replacement for many people, it has to actually function as a laptop replacement. This takes you firmly out of appliance territory or you can just redefine the word and render it meaningless.
My original point was that they are not demonized in "almost every article" and when they are demonized it has nothing to do with the recycling policy of "taking back old PC hardware" that the OP was referring to. I could have been more precise as that is what I was actually talking about. If my original response didn't quite make sense it's because I intentionally meant it as slightly nonsensical as a reflection of the comment I was replying which was even more nonsensical as the OPs contention was essentially that because Apple takes back PCs that means they shouldn't be scrutinized for their other practices as they effect the environment which is just prima facie absurd. The fact that he used the charged word "demonized" to provoke an emotional response as cover for the lack of a factual basis in his post makes it even worse/funnier.
Yeah, demonized for good reason. And what does EPEAT have to do with this particular recycling program? Is it not possible that they were wrong on that call and right on this? Does being right this time mean they are beyond criticism in other instances?
Um, the "success" of the MacBook Air proves nothing as the vast majority of computer buyers didn't get one. I notice e Wintel "ultra books" which are obviously inspired by the Air aren't selling very well at all. How does that fit into your theory?
Laptops will never be "appliances" so you might as well forget that loaded terminology now. Laptops and yes the MacBook pro are programmable computers which is the exact opposite of a Microwave or TV. And the really funny thing is that any real appliance that approaches the price of a MacBook Pro actually is user serviceable. Anybody with a small amount of mechanical aptitude can replace the filter in the intake on a washing machine. And if they can't, they have a plethora of repair people to call in the phone book. And you seem to be confused into thinking that a computer that "just works" somehow precludes upgradeability and dig hardware maintenance. Holy false dichotomy, nurbMan!
The Retina display MacBook Pro is practically a non-entity in the conversation as very few people are paying 2 grand for a laptop anyway. Yes, the retina display is really nice but all it's really going to do OS move new MacBooks to previous owners and move MacBooks to new owners that would have bought anyway. The mainstream purchaser is in the 3-6 hundred dollar range and it'll be a long time before 2880x1800 resolution is a factor there.
But is that what the masses really want? I think many new people buy Macs because of the reputation of them being less trouble and the aesthetic attraction of OSX. And the hardware. The fact that they are becoming more and more non upgradeable is more an incidental that people just tolerate as part of the experience. I doubt that if a poll was taken that most people would say they don't want upgradeable computers. Compare sales of Macs to ultra book Windows laptops and note the fact that on the Wintel side people are by and large staying away from the super thin hard to upgrade stuff. I think people are reading too much into the popularity of iPads and recent Macs and drawing erroneous conclusions.
Maybe we're reading a different thread but I haven't seen any "MS sniping". My question is this: when you say "somebody is working on nuclear power", am I to believe that BG and his team are the only people actually working on the state of the art in reactors? Because without knowing I'd say that is absolutely fucking absurd.
Have you actually read the case you are refering to? It doesn't say that video conferencing is appropriate and the subject in the refered case is not willing to cooperate, and so on. It most certainly isn't applicable to the Assange situation.
Um, yeah, I read it. The man was in Dubai and they brought him up on multiple tax evasion charges. The prosecutor said he needed to show up in person for the interview and the judge said he didn't. Substitute the UK and Assange in that sentence and then explain how it is that different. If Sweden is up for remotely interviewing a suspect on high value tax fraud then interviewing Assange in his case shouldn't be a problem.
From what I can tell, Sweden let Egypt have some suspects
Bull-fucking-shit. In 2001, it was CIA operatives that took possession of the two Egyptian men at Bromma airport in Stockholm. What you are confused about is what happened in 2006 with one individual when Sweden was found to be complicit with the CIA in the case of extraditing I-Zari again to Egypt. I bet you would get the facts right if it was you that was bound, gagged and put on that airplane.
No, here in Sweden we don't allow these kinds of interview to be conducted via video conference
You need to read your own law, dude. According to that ruling by the Swedish Supreme Court, if a subject is abroad and cooperating, video conferencing is appropriate. Up until very recently Assange was inarguably cooperative.
Yeah, Gods forbid that the populace of a democratic nation actually know what their government is up to so that they can actually make an informed decision on who to vote for the next time they step up to the poll. If what Bradley Manning released is so bad then why can't the people that actually perpetrated the actions revealed in the leaks be the ones to "burn in hell"? Ever thought about that?
In the past Sweden has been much more cooperative in extraditing suspects to the US than the UK so, yes, it would be easier for the US authorities if he were on Swedish soil than where he is now.
again to avoid being interviewed by the first country where the alleged rape-ish behavior took place.
Sweden allows these kinds of interviews to be done via video conference and Assange has suggested the interview take place with him inside of the embassy. The fact that Sweden is so ardent about bringing him in person is highly suspect.
Nobody said it was funny and even following your implication that McDonald's was responsible, that doesn't mean we don't have an out of control judiciary that is awarding multi-million dollar "slip and fall" payouts that are way over the top excessive.
It wouldn't matter if I've seen 500 of them or if I've seen not a single one. That's pure anecdote and proves nothing. The fact that it is believed by some to have outsold the iPhone is a much stronger testament to its popularity and relevance. Also note it's current number one status on Amazon which is a huge smartphone sales channel.
There's more to relevance than market share and Motorola has the fourth largest at 12 percent anyway which Is about half of what Samsung enjoys so again, I'm perceiving some sour grapes in the comments here.
oakgrove: Thanks, but please do all the work for us too, and make it convenient to abandon your business interests by simply pushing a single button!
Even with an unlocked bootloader, in order to use an updated version of Android on a device, you need drivers. The GPU for sure and likely other components on the SOCs Moto use utilize closed hardware that only Moto can provide drivers for. There is no "do all the work for us" as without those drivers, no work can be done unless you get lucky. If Moto goes through the half-measure and unlocks the bootloaders but doesn't provide drivers then you get a half-working solution and Moto's reputation gets tarnished. Providing the drivers wouldn't effect their business model as people would still buy new hardware to enjoy progress in that realm but the community would help furnish Moto with a good reputation as having phones that while not enjoying the guaranteed updates you get with a Nexus or an iProduct, at least provide a workable solution with minimal roadblocks.
make it convenient to abandon your business interests
Who are you to commentate on their "business interests"? If their business interests were being served so well up to this point they'd probably be making large amounts of actual money which is what a business exists for. Maybe the current model isn't working so well. Of course, I'm sure if they had the illustrious "spikenerd" at the helm MM HQ would look like something out of Scrooge McDuck's money bin, right? Right?
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Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure that in the US, if you threaten somebody and they have reason to believe that there is imminent danger of you carrying that threat out, that is legally assault and you can certainly be charged and taken to jail. Elsewhere YMMV.
The funny thing is I've heard worse conspiracy "war is coming" crap in my Sunday school class. I guess that's product of established organized religion so it's perfectly acceptable. Funny how that works.
You make a great point here. Consoles have actually bucked the appliance trend and have added layers of complexity since the days of solid state cartridges. Now they're networked jukeboxes, video players, web clients, and also mighty fine game machines. Probably the only thing keeping them from being full-fledged computers is Microsoft and Sony don't want to "confuse" the market and impact game sales.
While people in the tech world still dont believe it since we are biased, most consumers want a computer product to surf the web, watch movies look at Facebook and play angry birds ( or whatever is cool at the moment ).
I will believe this is really true when iPad/Android style tablets outsell laptops. That won't happen until iPads can do what laptops do and when that happens you will have just come full circle back to the general purpose computer. I'm not saying iPads aren't great because they are (I'm using one right now) but they cannot replace the traditional computer for most people as there are just too many edge cases and everybodie's edge case is a little bit different. Maybe aunt Tilly has a cd player in her car and wants to burn CDs. Maybe uncle Harry has that landscape magazine project he's been working on for years and has to edit multi-gigabyte images. Maybe your cousin has that ecommerce site he's working on and needs FTP, image editing, direct access to the database. And on and on. My main point is that for a device to function as a laptop replacement for many people, it has to actually function as a laptop replacement. This takes you firmly out of appliance territory or you can just redefine the word and render it meaningless.
My original point was that they are not demonized in "almost every article" and when they are demonized it has nothing to do with the recycling policy of "taking back old PC hardware" that the OP was referring to. I could have been more precise as that is what I was actually talking about. If my original response didn't quite make sense it's because I intentionally meant it as slightly nonsensical as a reflection of the comment I was replying which was even more nonsensical as the OPs contention was essentially that because Apple takes back PCs that means they shouldn't be scrutinized for their other practices as they effect the environment which is just prima facie absurd. The fact that he used the charged word "demonized" to provoke an emotional response as cover for the lack of a factual basis in his post makes it even worse/funnier.
The vast majority of radios and tvs cost a lot less than a retina MacBook Pro. They do a lot less too.
Yeah, demonized for good reason. And what does EPEAT have to do with this particular recycling program? Is it not possible that they were wrong on that call and right on this? Does being right this time mean they are beyond criticism in other instances?
Apple is not demonized in almost every article and when they are it has absolutely nothing to do with their recycling policy.
Um, the "success" of the MacBook Air proves nothing as the vast majority of computer buyers didn't get one. I notice e Wintel "ultra books" which are obviously inspired by the Air aren't selling very well at all. How does that fit into your theory?
Laptops will never be "appliances" so you might as well forget that loaded terminology now. Laptops and yes the MacBook pro are programmable computers which is the exact opposite of a Microwave or TV. And the really funny thing is that any real appliance that approaches the price of a MacBook Pro actually is user serviceable. Anybody with a small amount of mechanical aptitude can replace the filter in the intake on a washing machine. And if they can't, they have a plethora of repair people to call in the phone book. And you seem to be confused into thinking that a computer that "just works" somehow precludes upgradeability and dig hardware maintenance. Holy false dichotomy, nurbMan!
The Retina display MacBook Pro is practically a non-entity in the conversation as very few people are paying 2 grand for a laptop anyway. Yes, the retina display is really nice but all it's really going to do OS move new MacBooks to previous owners and move MacBooks to new owners that would have bought anyway. The mainstream purchaser is in the 3-6 hundred dollar range and it'll be a long time before 2880x1800 resolution is a factor there.
But is that what the masses really want? I think many new people buy Macs because of the reputation of them being less trouble and the aesthetic attraction of OSX. And the hardware. The fact that they are becoming more and more non upgradeable is more an incidental that people just tolerate as part of the experience. I doubt that if a poll was taken that most people would say they don't want upgradeable computers. Compare sales of Macs to ultra book Windows laptops and note the fact that on the Wintel side people are by and large staying away from the super thin hard to upgrade stuff. I think people are reading too much into the popularity of iPads and recent Macs and drawing erroneous conclusions.
You quoted the quotes and still missed the point. Not saying it was or wasn't a great point or that I even agree with it but you definitely missed it.
Maybe we're reading a different thread but I haven't seen any "MS sniping". My question is this: when you say "somebody is working on nuclear power", am I to believe that BG and his team are the only people actually working on the state of the art in reactors? Because without knowing I'd say that is absolutely fucking absurd.
Have you actually read the case you are refering to? It doesn't say that video conferencing is appropriate and the subject in the refered case is not willing to cooperate, and so on. It most certainly isn't applicable to the Assange situation.
Um, yeah, I read it. The man was in Dubai and they brought him up on multiple tax evasion charges. The prosecutor said he needed to show up in person for the interview and the judge said he didn't. Substitute the UK and Assange in that sentence and then explain how it is that different. If Sweden is up for remotely interviewing a suspect on high value tax fraud then interviewing Assange in his case shouldn't be a problem.
From what I can tell, Sweden let Egypt have some suspects
Bull-fucking-shit. In 2001, it was CIA operatives that took possession of the two Egyptian men at Bromma airport in Stockholm. What you are confused about is what happened in 2006 with one individual when Sweden was found to be complicit with the CIA in the case of extraditing I-Zari again to Egypt. I bet you would get the facts right if it was you that was bound, gagged and put on that airplane.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163436/Seven-Britons-extradited-US-sent-lopsided-act.html
With legal recourse. What was the legal recourse of the people extradited from Sweden?
No, here in Sweden we don't allow these kinds of interview to be conducted via video conference
You need to read your own law, dude. According to that ruling by the Swedish Supreme Court, if a subject is abroad and cooperating, video conferencing is appropriate. Up until very recently Assange was inarguably cooperative.
Bradley Manning can burn in hell for that mess.
Yeah, Gods forbid that the populace of a democratic nation actually know what their government is up to so that they can actually make an informed decision on who to vote for the next time they step up to the poll. If what Bradley Manning released is so bad then why can't the people that actually perpetrated the actions revealed in the leaks be the ones to "burn in hell"? Ever thought about that?
In the past Sweden has been much more cooperative in extraditing suspects to the US than the UK so, yes, it would be easier for the US authorities if he were on Swedish soil than where he is now.
again to avoid being interviewed by the first country where the alleged rape-ish behavior took place.
Sweden allows these kinds of interviews to be done via video conference and Assange has suggested the interview take place with him inside of the embassy. The fact that Sweden is so ardent about bringing him in person is highly suspect.
Nobody said it was funny and even following your implication that McDonald's was responsible, that doesn't mean we don't have an out of control judiciary that is awarding multi-million dollar "slip and fall" payouts that are way over the top excessive.
When Fast Food restaurants have to warn people that coffee might be a tad hot
You can blame our illustrious judicial system and multi-million dollar payouts by easily manipulated by sob stories juries for that.
Have you ever seen one?
It wouldn't matter if I've seen 500 of them or if I've seen not a single one. That's pure anecdote and proves nothing. The fact that it is believed by some to have outsold the iPhone is a much stronger testament to its popularity and relevance. Also note it's current number one status on Amazon which is a huge smartphone sales channel.
There's more to relevance than market share and Motorola has the fourth largest at 12 percent anyway which Is about half of what Samsung enjoys so again, I'm perceiving some sour grapes in the comments here.
oakgrove: Thanks, but please do all the work for us too, and make it convenient to abandon your business interests by simply pushing a single button!
Even with an unlocked bootloader, in order to use an updated version of Android on a device, you need drivers. The GPU for sure and likely other components on the SOCs Moto use utilize closed hardware that only Moto can provide drivers for. There is no "do all the work for us" as without those drivers, no work can be done unless you get lucky. If Moto goes through the half-measure and unlocks the bootloaders but doesn't provide drivers then you get a half-working solution and Moto's reputation gets tarnished. Providing the drivers wouldn't effect their business model as people would still buy new hardware to enjoy progress in that realm but the community would help furnish Moto with a good reputation as having phones that while not enjoying the guaranteed updates you get with a Nexus or an iProduct, at least provide a workable solution with minimal roadblocks.
make it convenient to abandon your business interests
Who are you to commentate on their "business interests"? If their business interests were being served so well up to this point they'd probably be making large amounts of actual money which is what a business exists for. Maybe the current model isn't working so well. Of course, I'm sure if they had the illustrious "spikenerd" at the helm MM HQ would look like something out of Scrooge McDuck's money bin, right? Right?