It is not Google's job to make web search any cheaper to get into. Should GM help out every tom dick and harry trying to build a car in their garage? How about Intel? Should they start leasing out their fabs to all various and sundry to appear "competitive"? Get real.
the 'lock' is probably going to be reduces support if you replace the google pieces with Bing. That would make sense for something like the maps/locations the API might be Google Maps specific and zero effort is made to allow third party replacements of these services.
Pure and utter bullshit. I develop for Android. There is a generic intent that any map displaying on Android can listen for.
String uri = "geo:"+ latitude + "," + longitude;
startActivity(new Intent(android.content.Intent.ACTION_VIEW, Uri.parse(uri)));
Unfortunately we're talking about Google's on going behaviour here. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Yeah, except for the fact that Google isn't blocking other search or ad providers on Android phones. The Google hate runs so deep that people like you simply resort to spreading lies. So sad.
Yeah, you mean just like in the 90s people could had just bought from vendors that didn't make uncompetitive deals with Microsoft, even if the damage still happened? Same situation.
The "90s" covers a 10 year period. If you are referring to the latter half, when I went into a computer store to buy a computer, the choice was essentially nothing but IBM compatible machines running windows. If I want to use another search engine, I open a tab and type that search engine's url in the address bar. The two are not even remotely similar. Google does not do anything to stop you from using another search provider in Chrome. When you install Chrome, the first thing you see is a pop-up asking you who you want to use. Interestingly, that pop-up is weighted 2/3 Bing as Bing gives the results for Yahoo now so Google is actually at a disadvantage in their own browser. Comparing MS' monopolistic practises in the 90's to Google delivering a product people actually want now is disingenuous at best.
If that were true, Google would have a similar monopoly on web search in the US that MS has on the desktop. Last I checked, Google only has about a 65 percent share. That is not even close to what you would expect from "ultimate vendor lock".
So to compete with Google and improve your search engine you need at least as much of that data as Google
Bull. There are many ways to compete. Offer better services, better interface, more convenient searching, better sorting of the data you have, so on and so forth.
Dominant is not what is at issue. The question is one of monopoly and Google is not a monopoly at 65 percent share in the US.
Furthermore, RIM released their smartphones with Google because they wanted to. Asking Verizon to change it costs money so of course MS had to pay. Do you think Vzw would change Bing to Google on their windows phones for free? You are basically saying anybody should just be able to waltz into Verizon HQ and get the default search on all of their smartphones changed on a whim. Get real.
that a huge company like Google
has released a cumulative total of 25
million lines of code doesn't actually
sound like a lot.
Of the percentage of companies Google's size in a position to release source code, who has released more? Probably none. Yes, it is a lot. Of course for some of the more, how should I say, entitled among us, no matter how much is given away, it can never be enough. Sad.
So, while you're peering into your crystal ball there, (you do have one right?) can you tell me how this stock market crisis is going to shake out? My pins are on needles man!
Not sure why you went on an off topic rant against Google's other products but in the case of App Inventor, Google has agreed to open source the whole thing. Which is great because as good as AI is, it leaves a bit to be desired. Honeycomb support in particular. Kudos to Google for not just taking their toys and going home but freely giving them away to benefit the rest of us and ultimately ensuring that App Inventor will always be an available tool no matter what happens behind the scenes.
Please. I've used iOS. There are tons of inconsistency between many apps. If you get thrown for a loop because all of your apps don't behave similarly what platform do you run at all?
Yes, the permissions system is very good. I read them and if an app asks for too much, I don't install it. Not that hard.
If you don't want a "pre-hacked" device, get a real Android device sanctioned by the people that maintain the OS. It's called a Nexus S.
When you say you put Qt apps on it, let me ask you this. How hard is it to port a generic Linux app to webOS? If I wrote a python app with pyQt, could I have a resonanle expectation of getting it running without basically rewriting the whole thing?
Let's see, all aluminum chassis check, wide viewing angles check, high quality Honeycomb 3.2 check. Yes, there are niggles here and there but there are issues on iPad too.
developers exploiting users
Full disclosure of app permissions requests check. Official app store that weeds out problems as they are exposed check.
consistency
App navigation/menu button always in the same place check. Settings in the application always accessible from the same button check.
As an owner of both a Xoom and an iPad, your arguments fall flat.
I am posting this from my Xoom right now which has 101 apps installed on it all but one of run full screen. incidentally, I'm presently being dunned to update to 3.2 so that last lagard app will also run fullscreen. I've had this thing since February and it is the extreme exception for something not to run fullscreen. Whwn i see that, I chuckle and promptly uninstall.
you will be just as stuffed as you were when you had all those lines of code which relied on Microsoft apps.
From TFA:
Mozilla is also actively exploring this problem space. In fact weâ(TM)re working closely with Mozilla engineers to unify our two proposals into one simple, useful API. Visit the examples page to try out the feature in any current browser. To explore using the API in your site, check out out the JavaScript shim, which provides an implementation of the API for browsers that have not implemented this feature.
So, not only are they working with Mozilla to standardize the API but they are creating a javascript shim for other browsers to play along too. Thanks for the daily dose of FUD though!
Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but the original guy I responded made the statement that in his personal experience most Android phones in consumer hands were low end. If he'd stopped there, I wouldn't have had a beef. But he didn't; he went on to paint this entire picture based on that observation as if he had a clue of what he was talking about. In my experience, most Android phones are more upmarket. I don't have a definitive answer in front of me so I went and had a look. Instead of just being lazy I checked Google, Amazon, etc. and at least came back with something unlike the other guy. As an aside, I'd actually like to know the answer to the question. I'd like to know the market share of wp7 but everything I see always lumps it in with windows mobile. Worthless.
, I almost pity you for working for someone so stupid.
They guy is in his 60's and is tech illiterate. Besides there's something to be said for job security via the people you work for being clueless about something you have expertise in.
Absolutely true on the Opera front of multi axis scrolling. You have to wonder how such a talented group of developers can get something so fundamentally wrong when practically everybody else gets it right. That's the main reason I don't use Opera on my phone unless it is in single column layout mode. However, on the tablet, horizontal scroll is much less of an issue when in landscape mode so it doesn't really bother me there. They really should fix that though.
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Heh heh. Touché!
It is not Google's job to make web search any cheaper to get into. Should GM help out every tom dick and harry trying to build a car in their garage? How about Intel? Should they start leasing out their fabs to all various and sundry to appear "competitive"? Get real.
the 'lock' is probably going to be reduces support if you replace the google pieces with Bing. That would make sense for something like the maps/locations the API might be Google Maps specific and zero effort is made to allow third party replacements of these services.
Pure and utter bullshit. I develop for Android. There is a generic intent that any map displaying on Android can listen for.
String uri = "geo:"+ latitude + "," + longitude;
startActivity(new Intent(android.content.Intent.ACTION_VIEW, Uri.parse(uri)));
In what way is this locking anyone out?
Unfortunately we're talking about Google's on going behaviour here. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Yeah, except for the fact that Google isn't blocking other search or ad providers on Android phones. The Google hate runs so deep that people like you simply resort to spreading lies. So sad.
That's global share, dufus. The article is talking about an FTC probe which is decidedly a US issue thus I quoted the US market share figures.
Yeah, you mean just like in the 90s people could had just bought from vendors that didn't make uncompetitive deals with Microsoft, even if the damage still happened? Same situation.
The "90s" covers a 10 year period. If you are referring to the latter half, when I went into a computer store to buy a computer, the choice was essentially nothing but IBM compatible machines running windows. If I want to use another search engine, I open a tab and type that search engine's url in the address bar. The two are not even remotely similar. Google does not do anything to stop you from using another search provider in Chrome. When you install Chrome, the first thing you see is a pop-up asking you who you want to use. Interestingly, that pop-up is weighted 2/3 Bing as Bing gives the results for Yahoo now so Google is actually at a disadvantage in their own browser. Comparing MS' monopolistic practises in the 90's to Google delivering a product people actually want now is disingenuous at best.
Web Search now is the ultimate vendor lock
If that were true, Google would have a similar monopoly on web search in the US that MS has on the desktop. Last I checked, Google only has about a 65 percent share. That is not even close to what you would expect from "ultimate vendor lock".
So to compete with Google and improve your search engine you need at least as much of that data as Google
Bull. There are many ways to compete. Offer better services, better interface, more convenient searching, better sorting of the data you have, so on and so forth.
What are you talking about? Verizon has replaced Google with Bing on many of their handsets.
Bing is not a dominant search player
Dominant is not what is at issue. The question is one of monopoly and Google is not a monopoly at 65 percent share in the US.
Furthermore, RIM released their smartphones with Google because they wanted to. Asking Verizon to change it costs money so of course MS had to pay. Do you think Vzw would change Bing to Google on their windows phones for free? You are basically saying anybody should just be able to waltz into Verizon HQ and get the default search on all of their smartphones changed on a whim. Get real.
Er, Google has something like 65 percent of the search market in the US. Hardly a monopoly.
that a huge company like Google has released a cumulative total of 25 million lines of code doesn't actually sound like a lot.
Of the percentage of companies Google's size in a position to release source code, who has released more? Probably none. Yes, it is a lot. Of course for some of the more, how should I say, entitled among us, no matter how much is given away, it can never be enough. Sad.
Wow, way to keep it classy. If you are actually comparing spinning off a software program to domestic violence, you need some serious help.
So, while you're peering into your crystal ball there, (you do have one right?) can you tell me how this stock market crisis is going to shake out? My pins are on needles man!
Not sure why you went on an off topic rant against Google's other products but in the case of App Inventor, Google has agreed to open source the whole thing. Which is great because as good as AI is, it leaves a bit to be desired. Honeycomb support in particular. Kudos to Google for not just taking their toys and going home but freely giving them away to benefit the rest of us and ultimately ensuring that App Inventor will always be an available tool no matter what happens behind the scenes.
close race
That's your own opinion and you're welcome to it. For me, it's the other way around.
Yes, the permissions system is very good. I read them and if an app asks for too much, I don't install it. Not that hard.
If you don't want a "pre-hacked" device, get a real Android device sanctioned by the people that maintain the OS. It's called a Nexus S.
heh heh. indeed. was using Firefox and the autocomplete gets confused on slashdot sometimes.
When you say you put Qt apps on it, let me ask you this. How hard is it to port a generic Linux app to webOS? If I wrote a python app with pyQt, could I have a resonanle expectation of getting it running without basically rewriting the whole thing?
quality control
Let's see, all aluminum chassis check, wide viewing angles check, high quality Honeycomb 3.2 check. Yes, there are niggles here and there but there are issues on iPad too.
developers exploiting users
Full disclosure of app permissions requests check. Official app store that weeds out problems as they are exposed check.
consistency
App navigation/menu button always in the same place check. Settings in the application always accessible from the same button check.
As an owner of both a Xoom and an iPad, your arguments fall flat.
I am posting this from my Xoom right now which has 101 apps installed on it all but one of run full screen. incidentally, I'm presently being dunned to update to 3.2 so that last lagard app will also run fullscreen. I've had this thing since February and it is the extreme exception for something not to run fullscreen. Whwn i see that, I chuckle and promptly uninstall.
you will be just as stuffed as you were when you had all those lines of code which relied on Microsoft apps.
From TFA:
Mozilla is also actively exploring this problem space. In fact weâ(TM)re working closely with Mozilla engineers to unify our two proposals into one simple, useful API. Visit the examples page to try out the feature in any current browser. To explore using the API in your site, check out out the JavaScript shim, which provides an implementation of the API for browsers that have not implemented this feature.
So, not only are they working with Mozilla to standardize the API but they are creating a javascript shim for other browsers to play along too. Thanks for the daily dose of FUD though!
Look, I'm not trying to be a dick but the original guy I responded made the statement that in his personal experience most Android phones in consumer hands were low end. If he'd stopped there, I wouldn't have had a beef. But he didn't; he went on to paint this entire picture based on that observation as if he had a clue of what he was talking about. In my experience, most Android phones are more upmarket. I don't have a definitive answer in front of me so I went and had a look. Instead of just being lazy I checked Google, Amazon, etc. and at least came back with something unlike the other guy. As an aside, I'd actually like to know the answer to the question. I'd like to know the market share of wp7 but everything I see always lumps it in with windows mobile. Worthless.
why did he buy a 3G-capable model?
It was a Christmas gift.
, I almost pity you for working for someone so stupid.
They guy is in his 60's and is tech illiterate. Besides there's something to be said for job security via the people you work for being clueless about something you have expertise in.
I'm gonna guess
Thank you for your worthless input.
Absolutely true on the Opera front of multi axis scrolling. You have to wonder how such a talented group of developers can get something so fundamentally wrong when practically everybody else gets it right. That's the main reason I don't use Opera on my phone unless it is in single column layout mode. However, on the tablet, horizontal scroll is much less of an issue when in landscape mode so it doesn't really bother me there. They really should fix that though.