Well then nothing can access 100 percent of the web as there is always some site somewhere that isn't compatible with your kit. What a stupid argument.
He even made the suggestion that root access was required...
OMG! He said what??? root?? Isn't that illegal and stuff? Heaven help us if anyone were to root their device and install a custom recovery like clockwork mod and use a program like nandroid to back up their entire device to an image that they can then put anywhere they want. Or use a program like titanium backup that will custom back up any software or setting and then allow you to restore it at will. I mean, Worse. Thing. Ever. Right?
Yeah, I'm sure the guy only has 5 "apps" installed on his computer. Geez. Just gnome itself pulls in over a hundred distinct applications. Have you ever even seen Linux?
So if you don't have iPhones to sell (or at least compare in the list) it's kinda hard to make any comparative claims.
Um, do you know what the word context means? I was replying to someone that said most Android phones in consumer hands were cheap models. The point I was making has absolutely nothing to do with how well Android and iPhones sell vis a vis. O_o
Most of it works pretty well considering the fact that the site is owned by Apple and is specifically designed to show off iOS compatible extensions to a non-ratified HTML and CSS standard. Nice try though.
MySpace was completely customizable too. Look how that turned out.
Look how Windows turned out. Neither of which have anything to do with the tablet space.
No! Not they don't.
Every Android device I see that someone has is chock full of widgets. You have no idea what you are talking about.
That's strange as according to this review, the xoom gets 8 hours and 20 minutes on a charge. I usually go a couple of days on a charge using it on and off.
That's what I thought. Here's Amazon's best seller list in post-paid cell phones. Notice the list is dominated by high-end Android handsets. Here's an article from a while back showing the same thing.
Your personal experience means squat and it would be great (and make for a more honest dialog) if you wouldn't pretend like it does.
For support entire web: neither there are plenty of sites a galaxy cannot access.
I have Firefox installed on my Xoom with the desktop UA string. What site can I not access?
You can easily and cheaply develop custom applications for the ipad
If you already have a Mac, sure. Otherwise, you will need to buy one to the tune of at least 7-8 hundred dollars, then pay the 99 dollar iTunes fee. For Android, you just download eclipse and the Android sdk for free on whatever computer you have at hand whether it has Windows, Linux or OSX on it. Then when you want to load your app on your device, you pay nothing.
For user customization what kind of customization?
Widgets? Alternative launchers? Themes? And that's before you root it.
The last two items are so low on the list of what real users want to do it.
Users don't like widgets? News to me as a person that administers a fleet of Iconia A500's. Also, in a corporate environment, my boss cares a whole lot on how easily and cheaply I can develop for our tablets.
Could you please explain to me what on my Xoom requires "tinkering"? It works pretty freaking well as far as I can see. I have had plenty of time with iPads and I don't see how they are easier to operate than an Android tablet with Honeycomb.
These don't make up the majority of the Android market share though
Can you cite that? The only lists I can find of top-selling Android phones are almost completely dominated by the "super phones", i.e., Evo 4G, Motorola Droid, Galaxy S. The crap Android phones seem to be far outsold by the good ones. Which kind of blows a hole all through your long-winded theory here.
I've had my Xoom almost since it first came out and I, as you, have had a much improved experience following the 3.1 update. A friend of mine as well as my boss both have iPads that I have had much experience with and here's my 2 cents.
I prefer the Xoom for the following reasons:
The web browser makes more sense ergonomically on a tablet than Safari does on the iPad since it has tabs that are always viewable.
Higher resolution widescreen display.
I prefer the way multitasking works as I just hit a button on the taskbar and thumbnails of currently running programs display to pick from.
Always visible and consistent "back" button on the taskbar.
Widgets
Wi-fi hangs on to a signal better. My boss is constantly getting the "would you like to sign up for a cellular plan" pop-up on his iPad when the wi-fi falls down.
Google Music integration with the music player so all of my stuff is always at hand.
Scripting layer for Android so I can write and run python scripts right on the device. Choice of keyboards including "Hacker's Keyboard" that gives me access to all keys including Esc, Ctrl, and Alt for vnc/ssh sessions.
Firefox web browser that stays in sync with my desktop browser including tabs/settings/passwords, etc.
Ubuntu chroot so I have an industrial strength cli environment right on the device.
About the only advantages I see for iPad is the interface is smoother and their are more tablet oriented apps. Some people claim that it is simpler to operate but I don't really think that is the case. I have yet to see any particular exclusive apps that would draw me away from Android and I can get past the relatively small difference in smooth. YMMV.
I have a Droid and find the key mapping for vi to be just fine. ESC is a simple double tap on the button in the center of the D pad and since it's vi, you can map the keys however you want. As far as the shell, with connectbot, you can map one of the shift keys for tab completion. You did't give any specifics so, what are the issues you are having? My Droid is the best command line phone I've ever used.
Oh, hey, Jim Goldman, didn't you Facebook people get busted a couple of month ago for astroturfing against Google? Give it up, man, everybody's on to you.
raising significant doubt that people are actually choosing Android specifically.
Doesn't raise much doubt in light of the fact that the best selling Android phones also happen to be among the most expensive. If all of the top selling handsets were the throwaway 50 dollar jobs, then it might make sense that people are just buying phones that "do stuff" no matter what the OS. That's obviously not the case.
Hahaha. And he follows up by trotting a particularly elderly saw. See, sometimes the best is the best seller. Sometimes the best isn't the best seller. What happens with cars and music doesn't correlate with anything other than, you guessed it, cars and music. Here's a nickel son. Get yourself a better meme.
I realize we've had our differences but a malware purveyor, I'm not. I just downloaded the Chase app to my phone and pulled it out of the/data/app folder. Enjoy.
Really? The Xoom? Surely it didn't have anything to do with the starting $799 price tag. Or the fact that the SD Card slot DIDN'T EVEN WORK! You picked the worst example you could find to support your point.
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Well then nothing can access 100 percent of the web as there is always some site somewhere that isn't compatible with your kit. What a stupid argument.
I agree it sucks. I use Opera and Firefox almost exclusively. Try putting about:debug in the address bar then turning off video acceleration.
If you have a more authoritative source, bring it on. Amazon is a very mainstream site and is credible.
He even made the suggestion that root access was required...
OMG! He said what??? root?? Isn't that illegal and stuff? Heaven help us if anyone were to root their device and install a custom recovery like clockwork mod and use a program like nandroid to back up their entire device to an image that they can then put anywhere they want. Or use a program like titanium backup that will custom back up any software or setting and then allow you to restore it at will. I mean, Worse. Thing. Ever. Right?
Yeah, I'm sure the guy only has 5 "apps" installed on his computer. Geez. Just gnome itself pulls in over a hundred distinct applications. Have you ever even seen Linux?
So if you don't have iPhones to sell (or at least compare in the list) it's kinda hard to make any comparative claims.
Um, do you know what the word context means? I was replying to someone that said most Android phones in consumer hands were cheap models. The point I was making has absolutely nothing to do with how well Android and iPhones sell vis a vis. O_o
I would wager that at least 95% of tablet users have no interest in developing custom applications.
Really? For realz? Naw...
But seriously. If that 1 percent or so of people that do have that interest didn't, the other 99 percent of users wouldn't exist.
http://www.apple.com/html5/
Most of it works pretty well considering the fact that the site is owned by Apple and is specifically designed to show off iOS compatible extensions to a non-ratified HTML and CSS standard. Nice try though.
MySpace was completely customizable too. Look how that turned out.
Look how Windows turned out. Neither of which have anything to do with the tablet space.
No! Not they don't.
Every Android device I see that someone has is chock full of widgets. You have no idea what you are talking about.
That's strange as according to this review, the xoom gets 8 hours and 20 minutes on a charge. I usually go a couple of days on a charge using it on and off.
I have no cite
That's what I thought. Here's Amazon's best seller list in post-paid cell phones. Notice the list is dominated by high-end Android handsets. Here's an article from a while back showing the same thing.
Your personal experience means squat and it would be great (and make for a more honest dialog) if you wouldn't pretend like it does.
For support entire web: neither there are plenty of sites a galaxy cannot access.
I have Firefox installed on my Xoom with the desktop UA string. What site can I not access?
You can easily and cheaply develop custom applications for the ipad
If you already have a Mac, sure. Otherwise, you will need to buy one to the tune of at least 7-8 hundred dollars, then pay the 99 dollar iTunes fee. For Android, you just download eclipse and the Android sdk for free on whatever computer you have at hand whether it has Windows, Linux or OSX on it. Then when you want to load your app on your device, you pay nothing.
For user customization what kind of customization?
Widgets? Alternative launchers? Themes? And that's before you root it.
The last two items are so low on the list of what real users want to do it.
Users don't like widgets? News to me as a person that administers a fleet of Iconia A500's. Also, in a corporate environment, my boss cares a whole lot on how easily and cheaply I can develop for our tablets.
Could you please explain to me what on my Xoom requires "tinkering"? It works pretty freaking well as far as I can see. I have had plenty of time with iPads and I don't see how they are easier to operate than an Android tablet with Honeycomb.
I have a Xoom with Android 3.1. Could you tell me what about it doesn't "just work"?
These don't make up the majority of the Android market share though
Can you cite that? The only lists I can find of top-selling Android phones are almost completely dominated by the "super phones", i.e., Evo 4G, Motorola Droid, Galaxy S. The crap Android phones seem to be far outsold by the good ones. Which kind of blows a hole all through your long-winded theory here.
I've had my Xoom almost since it first came out and I, as you, have had a much improved experience following the 3.1 update. A friend of mine as well as my boss both have iPads that I have had much experience with and here's my 2 cents.
I prefer the Xoom for the following reasons:
The web browser makes more sense ergonomically on a tablet than Safari does on the iPad since it has tabs that are always viewable.
Higher resolution widescreen display.
I prefer the way multitasking works as I just hit a button on the taskbar and thumbnails of currently running programs display to pick from.
Always visible and consistent "back" button on the taskbar.
Widgets
Wi-fi hangs on to a signal better. My boss is constantly getting the "would you like to sign up for a cellular plan" pop-up on his iPad when the wi-fi falls down.
Google Music integration with the music player so all of my stuff is always at hand.
Scripting layer for Android so I can write and run python scripts right on the device.
Choice of keyboards including "Hacker's Keyboard" that gives me access to all keys including Esc, Ctrl, and Alt for vnc/ssh sessions.
Firefox web browser that stays in sync with my desktop browser including tabs/settings/passwords, etc.
Ubuntu chroot so I have an industrial strength cli environment right on the device.
About the only advantages I see for iPad is the interface is smoother and their are more tablet oriented apps. Some people claim that it is simpler to operate but I don't really think that is the case. I have yet to see any particular exclusive apps that would draw me away from Android and I can get past the relatively small difference in smooth. YMMV.
I have a Droid and find the key mapping for vi to be just fine. ESC is a simple double tap on the button in the center of the D pad and since it's vi, you can map the keys however you want. As far as the shell, with connectbot, you can map one of the shift keys for tab completion. You did't give any specifics so, what are the issues you are having? My Droid is the best command line phone I've ever used.
Oh, hey, Jim Goldman, didn't you Facebook people get busted a couple of month ago for astroturfing against Google? Give it up, man, everybody's on to you.
raising significant doubt that people are actually choosing Android specifically.
Doesn't raise much doubt in light of the fact that the best selling Android phones also happen to be among the most expensive. If all of the top selling handsets were the throwaway 50 dollar jobs, then it might make sense that people are just buying phones that "do stuff" no matter what the OS. That's obviously not the case.
Hahaha. And he follows up by trotting a particularly elderly saw. See, sometimes the best is the best seller. Sometimes the best isn't the best seller. What happens with cars and music doesn't correlate with anything other than, you guessed it, cars and music. Here's a nickel son. Get yourself a better meme.
I see the Engadget anti-Android trolls have invaded Slashdot. Oh well, only another 550,000 Android activations today. Sucks, don't it?
I realize we've had our differences but a malware purveyor, I'm not. I just downloaded the Chase app to my phone and pulled it out of the /data/app folder. Enjoy.
I hope you realize that you and everybody that gave this a serious response just got trolled. You do realize that, right? Right?
Congratulations! I provision Acer Iconias for a project here at work. You won't be disappointed. Especially with the fully functional USB port.
Really? The Xoom? Surely it didn't have anything to do with the starting $799 price tag. Or the fact that the SD Card slot DIDN'T EVEN WORK! You picked the worst example you could find to support your point.
WHY? When you already have 64Gb of storage
Where can I get this tablet you speak of with 64GB of storage for the price of this Lenovo ThinkPad?