If you read the interview, you'll see that he did address those issues, albeit cursorily. Android is the way it is primarily because of the hyper competitive market of smart phones and mobile devices. Contrast this with ChromeOS which has a much more open development policy. So, when you get all irate about Honeycomb, remember ChromeOS and the other millions and millions of lines of code Google contributes to the world.
Give me Posix or give me nothing at all. It is demostrably true that the apps that proliferate on the Android platform form a festering cess-pit of useless apps, or borderline trojan-ware.
Sounds like somebody needs to quite feeling sorry for themselves and fire up a compiler. I did.
While Android is more open than the alternatives, it's doesn't really (and can't really) ever fulfill the goals of an open and free computing environment that Linux as a Free Software PC/Workstation Desktop Operating System can.
First of all, *can't really ever* is a really long time so it isn't really rational to say that as you do not know what the future holds. My next question is, what is stopping Android from developing into a fully fledged desktop operating system? It obviously runs a desktop class kernel, it supports native development, it supports USB host, external input and output. I realize that Android isn't a complete desktop solution as is but, what can you do with a current desktop system that is out of the question for Android given a little bit of work?
Yes, it's Linux and yet can't run almost any Linux apps.
Yes, because, if it did, it would fail. Linux has been tried and tried and tried and has never worked for consumers. The last thing FOSS/Linux advocates need is yet another iteration of Gnome/Xorg. Not to mention the fact that with a minimal amount of work, a real techie can run Linux apps on Android. I have an Ubuntu chroot on both my Xoom and my OG Droid with any Linux application just an apt-get away. It's great for command line favorites like vim, elinks, sshfs, rtorrent, etc. And since the applications are compiled for ARM, and are running on the bare metal just with a different root directory, they run at full speed. With my set-up and a few judicious bind mounts, Ubuntu is a 95 percent integrated peer with the rest of the system.
I could run graphical applications like Firefox, OpenOffice, gedit, etc. with the VNC viewer and I do from time to time when I'm bored but when I do, I see why Android is not just another Linux distro. Desktop apps don't work on a touchscreen device. Period. That's why MS has been a dismal failure in tablets for a decade and the iPad has just steamrolled them. So, why would Goog want to repeat that mistake?
Also, what good is it that you guys use Linux and Goobuntu internally when you horde most of your changes?
If they don't ship the code, they don't have to ship the changes. Read the GPL. Now, for the open licensed code they do ship, if you read the article, you will see they have released something like 20+ million lines of source. That is not hording changes.
Sounds like a company who leverages FOSS yet only sends back a few breadcrumbs to placate the masses.
Sounds like you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, he's probably thinking of the huge speed loss going from C++/.net as a standard way of developing applications to a javascript/html5 abortion. I'm inclined to agree.
I'm curious which version of Android provides the best--by far--integration of multiple discussion formats (IM, Facebook, text, email, twitter) into one cognitive and readable (something most Android skins don't seem to care about) feed that can also be split off into groups.
So, that's your opening salvo? Bragging on how easily you can consume ever increasing quantities of inane drivel? On second thought, upon reading the rest of your post, I can see why that would be important to you.
my friends walking around toting their Android phones. For starters, none of them have the same version of Android.
*Yawn* Ye olde tyme fragmentation argument. News flash nerd^H^H^H^H programmer: Nobody but nerds like us give a rat's ass which version of Android they are using. My girlfriend has an Epic 4G running Froyo. She could give a shit less about that. It does what she wants. And what she doesn't want is to wake up to a surprise update that makes the icons look different and moves shit around. Get a fucking clue, dumbass. The fragmentation "issue" is something haters such as yourself made up in a pathetic attempt to slag on Android. It falls completely flat in the real world though as there is very little material difference between Android 2.1/2.2/2.3 which is over 90 percent of Android users. And the people on older versions probably like it as it's what they are used to. Duh.
SMS bug
Yeah, now I know you're a troll. The SMS bug was the most sensationalized overblown tempest in a teapot I've ever seen. It was not even remotely widespread at all. But just thinking about it puts a little spring in you anti-Android trolls step when you get up in the morning doesn't it? Oh, that's right. I forgot about the iPhone alarm clock problems. Hope your hours are "flexible".
I guess when I dump my iPhone for a Windows Phone this Fall, the joke will be on me and my, at least short term, guaranteed upgrade path?
Enjoy your iphone, faggot. And when you get whatever boring piece of shit monochrome wannabe widget having ass wp7 phone, enjoy sticking it up your ass too, 'tard.
If some FSF activist was doing it to Windows you'd think it was wonderful. And it's hardly unexpected that a CEO would point out the weaknesses in a competitors products when asked.
Oh, hey troll with the persecution complex. Sorry, that was about as far as I could get. I quit getting worked up over blatant trolling a long time ago. Nice try though.
You are obviously not even tangentially involved in the software industry. As far as patent searches go, you know what the best advice is to anyone developing anything more complex than a hello world python script is? Don't. As in don't look for the patents. Ever heard of a little thing called treble damages? That's the thanks you get if a jury thinks you did a patent search before putting your product on the market. So what we have left is a toxic environment where most companies try to patent anything they can get away with. Google would be a fool to do any real searches. Best bet is to infringe and cross license when the fan turns to shit.
Fix what? It's a troll because it is. Everybody MS has licensed its patents to so far in the Android space is under NDA so there is no way the OP could know if the patents in question are from MSR or the man in the moon. He just copy-pasta'd a bunch of crap to get first post and kick off the comments with some pro-MS blather.
I'm more inclined to believe Slashdot gives IBM a pass is because, unlike MS, they don't have an arrogant jackass for a CEO that goes around laughing at their competitors and intentionally crashing competitor's products at trade shows. The guy is a no-class buffoon. That's probably got a little something to do with why Slashdot seems to have a collective chip on its shoulder towards MS vs other mega-corps.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. Since we are talking about mobile here, what percentage of market share does Microsoft have in smartphones and tablets again? Less than 10 percent, I believe. People are making noise about RIM being irrelevant and they have well over double what MS has in this space. So, to the consumer, yes, MS is indeed irrelevant here. Now, of course, they are trying to gain relevance through these legal maneuvers. I can't see how this will succeed in the long term. It is inevitable that someone is going to realize that it is absurd to pay licensing fees for periphery patents on one mobile OS that are equal to the licensing fees in their entirety for the other mobile OS. I smell some legal repercussions coming. MS is picking too many fights and that won't go on forever.
Yeah, because surely Slashdot doesn't have hundreds of thousands of unique visitors some of which hold the former view and some of which hold the latter. It's just one guy in his basement. And you. And me.
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I'm sorry, I should have said develop for it.
If you read the interview, you'll see that he did address those issues, albeit cursorily. Android is the way it is primarily because of the hyper competitive market of smart phones and mobile devices. Contrast this with ChromeOS which has a much more open development policy. So, when you get all irate about Honeycomb, remember ChromeOS and the other millions and millions of lines of code Google contributes to the world.
Give me Posix or give me nothing at all. It is demostrably true that the apps that proliferate on the Android platform form a festering cess-pit of useless apps, or borderline trojan-ware.
Sounds like somebody needs to quite feeling sorry for themselves and fire up a compiler. I did.
While Android is more open than the alternatives, it's doesn't really (and can't really) ever fulfill the goals of an open and free computing environment that Linux as a Free Software PC/Workstation Desktop Operating System can.
First of all, *can't really ever* is a really long time so it isn't really rational to say that as you do not know what the future holds. My next question is, what is stopping Android from developing into a fully fledged desktop operating system? It obviously runs a desktop class kernel, it supports native development, it supports USB host, external input and output. I realize that Android isn't a complete desktop solution as is but, what can you do with a current desktop system that is out of the question for Android given a little bit of work?
It's barely usable on tablets so far.
Excuse me, I have a Motorola Xoom sitting right here that I develop on and it seems pretty good to me. Could you tell me how it is "barely usable"?
Yes, it's Linux and yet can't run almost any Linux apps.
Yes, because, if it did, it would fail. Linux has been tried and tried and tried and has never worked for consumers. The last thing FOSS/Linux advocates need is yet another iteration of Gnome/Xorg. Not to mention the fact that with a minimal amount of work, a real techie can run Linux apps on Android. I have an Ubuntu chroot on both my Xoom and my OG Droid with any Linux application just an apt-get away. It's great for command line favorites like vim, elinks, sshfs, rtorrent, etc. And since the applications are compiled for ARM, and are running on the bare metal just with a different root directory, they run at full speed. With my set-up and a few judicious bind mounts, Ubuntu is a 95 percent integrated peer with the rest of the system.
I could run graphical applications like Firefox, OpenOffice, gedit, etc. with the VNC viewer and I do from time to time when I'm bored but when I do, I see why Android is not just another Linux distro. Desktop apps don't work on a touchscreen device. Period. That's why MS has been a dismal failure in tablets for a decade and the iPad has just steamrolled them. So, why would Goog want to repeat that mistake?
Also, what good is it that you guys use Linux and Goobuntu internally when you horde most of your changes?
If they don't ship the code, they don't have to ship the changes. Read the GPL. Now, for the open licensed code they do ship, if you read the article, you will see they have released something like 20+ million lines of source. That is not hording changes.
Sounds like a company who leverages FOSS yet only sends back a few breadcrumbs to placate the masses.
Sounds like you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, he's probably thinking of the huge speed loss going from C++/.net as a standard way of developing applications to a javascript/html5 abortion. I'm inclined to agree.
Sweet! Thanks, man!
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Eat shit, troll!
Eat shit, troll.
Eat shit troll.
How is this a problem for Chrome?
I'm curious which version of Android provides the best--by far--integration of multiple discussion formats (IM, Facebook, text, email, twitter) into one cognitive and readable (something most Android skins don't seem to care about) feed that can also be split off into groups.
So, that's your opening salvo? Bragging on how easily you can consume ever increasing quantities of inane drivel? On second thought, upon reading the rest of your post, I can see why that would be important to you.
my friends walking around toting their Android phones. For starters, none of them have the same version of Android.
*Yawn* Ye olde tyme fragmentation argument. News flash nerd^H^H^H^H programmer: Nobody but nerds like us give a rat's ass which version of Android they are using. My girlfriend has an Epic 4G running Froyo. She could give a shit less about that. It does what she wants. And what she doesn't want is to wake up to a surprise update that makes the icons look different and moves shit around. Get a fucking clue, dumbass. The fragmentation "issue" is something haters such as yourself made up in a pathetic attempt to slag on Android. It falls completely flat in the real world though as there is very little material difference between Android 2.1/2.2/2.3 which is over 90 percent of Android users. And the people on older versions probably like it as it's what they are used to. Duh.
SMS bug
Yeah, now I know you're a troll. The SMS bug was the most sensationalized overblown tempest in a teapot I've ever seen. It was not even remotely widespread at all. But just thinking about it puts a little spring in you anti-Android trolls step when you get up in the morning doesn't it? Oh, that's right. I forgot about the iPhone alarm clock problems. Hope your hours are "flexible".
I guess when I dump my iPhone for a Windows Phone this Fall, the joke will be on me and my, at least short term, guaranteed upgrade path?
Enjoy your iphone, faggot. And when you get whatever boring piece of shit monochrome wannabe widget having ass wp7 phone, enjoy sticking it up your ass too, 'tard.
...pathetic...
Oh, the irony.
If some FSF activist was doing it to Windows you'd think it was wonderful. And it's hardly unexpected that a CEO would point out the weaknesses in a competitors products when asked.
Oh, hey troll with the persecution complex. Sorry, that was about as far as I could get. I quit getting worked up over blatant trolling a long time ago. Nice try though.
You are obviously not even tangentially involved in the software industry. As far as patent searches go, you know what the best advice is to anyone developing anything more complex than a hello world python script is? Don't. As in don't look for the patents. Ever heard of a little thing called treble damages? That's the thanks you get if a jury thinks you did a patent search before putting your product on the market. So what we have left is a toxic environment where most companies try to patent anything they can get away with. Google would be a fool to do any real searches. Best bet is to infringe and cross license when the fan turns to shit.
"Developers, developers, developers."
Android's features from a year ago...coming in only four months from now! I'm so excited! I just love nostalgia.
They call it a "spinner" in Android development land.
Um, no, not really.
Fix what? It's a troll because it is. Everybody MS has licensed its patents to so far in the Android space is under NDA so there is no way the OP could know if the patents in question are from MSR or the man in the moon. He just copy-pasta'd a bunch of crap to get first post and kick off the comments with some pro-MS blather.
I'm more inclined to believe Slashdot gives IBM a pass is because, unlike MS, they don't have an arrogant jackass for a CEO that goes around laughing at their competitors and intentionally crashing competitor's products at trade shows. The guy is a no-class buffoon. That's probably got a little something to do with why Slashdot seems to have a collective chip on its shoulder towards MS vs other mega-corps.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. Since we are talking about mobile here, what percentage of market share does Microsoft have in smartphones and tablets again? Less than 10 percent, I believe. People are making noise about RIM being irrelevant and they have well over double what MS has in this space. So, to the consumer, yes, MS is indeed irrelevant here. Now, of course, they are trying to gain relevance through these legal maneuvers. I can't see how this will succeed in the long term. It is inevitable that someone is going to realize that it is absurd to pay licensing fees for periphery patents on one mobile OS that are equal to the licensing fees in their entirety for the other mobile OS. I smell some legal repercussions coming. MS is picking too many fights and that won't go on forever.
Yeah, because surely Slashdot doesn't have hundreds of thousands of unique visitors some of which hold the former view and some of which hold the latter. It's just one guy in his basement. And you. And me.