Which of the patents in question are both a result of something dreamed up in MSR and something not so obvious that it hasn't been co-invented multiple times elsewhere? Oh, you don't know. Because, the patents in question haven't even been revealed since the licensees are under NDA. So, basically, you just threw a bunch of blather on the screen as fast as your fingers could hit a ctrl-c and a ctrl-v. Or do you just have those combo's hotkeyed to your mouse or something?
That's interesting. My workstation at work is running Ubuntu 11.04 and hasn't had a single issue at all. I do Android development for a living and when I first got this job, they plunked me down in front of a shiny new Win7 box.
I gave it the old college try for two months but finally, after gritting my teeth for the last time, I made a beeline for the blank CD's and had Ubuntu installed over my lunch break.
Now, I can finally be productive with great tools integrated into the OS. SSH, bash, apt-get, tilda, vi, and most of my dev environment just an apt-get install away. Not to mention that the devices I work with (acer iconia a500, motorola xoom, nexus s) have the drivers built in for a drama free plug and play. If they tried to make me go back to windows, I'd resign on the spot.
Somehow you've made Bing and MS sound even more pathetic. Maybe they should just double down on their new competitive strategy and sue somebody. Maybe they can at least get a few scraps.
Is this the latest party line from the luddite contingent? Well, I for one just don't see any reason to be stuck in the past with windows phone when I can be on the cutting edge with Android. Quaint notion, though it may be.
Mango delivers last years Android features 6 months from now. I guess it's interesting for nostalgic value. Of course, by that time, Android and iOS will have lept past them yet again. It's a losing battle for MS. They're just too late. Better luck next round.
I left Windows Mobile on my HTC Apache to get a G1 the day it came out. The G1 smoked the winmo device like it wasnt anybodies business. I say that to say this: between wp7 and winmo, I'd go winmo any day. Way more features, actual multitasking, an interface not loaded down with gui parlor tricks, better third party ecosystem... the list goes on. MS would have done better refining what they had. They chose to make the bed they lie in now.
I know it's popular to portray Microsoft as the Evil Empire, but this totally sucks.
I am no friend of Microsoft as anyone who has read my past posts can attest to but I agree this just stinks. Software patents serve the purposes of the big boys and do nothing but stifle the little guys.
Case in point, I was making a spinner dialog for an Android app this morning and was searching for a way to directly change the xml values in the string resource that populates the drop down box. Well, looking at this very case, I can see why the Android sdk doesn't allow you to directly manipulate that xml programmatically. So, now I have to do it a different way that adds unnecessary complexity (not looking for a tutorial, I figgered it out).
This impacts me. And this is such a brain dead obvious thing to do that the fact that it is patented and worth 300 million dollars is fucking ridiculous!
Actually, I think reading of and maybe minor changes/notetaking on a Word document is a pretty good use case for a Windows tablet, especially in the business world.
Then how does that make Windows special? There are very popular "Word" file editors on every tablet platform that matters.
Joe Sixpack doesn't give 2 shits about a Macworld keynote. That's just preaching to the faithful all of whom already know and love OSX so of course they would trumpet it.
Try the original iPhone website.
Several years ago, if it wasn't on TV, it wasn't true mainstream advertising.
Now that they are coming out with their own tablet and a tablet-centric UI for the next version of Windows, you can damn well bet
No you can't "damn well bet" anything. MS' Windows people have been beating the tablet drum for a decade and the Office team have basically gave them the collective finger.
Not to mention all the popular third-party apps out there that will be redesigned as well, same as what happened to many popular third-party apps for Mac when Apple released iOS.
Well, you still have the same OS, and largely the same userland except for highest-level UI... so yes?
I'm not going to refute you point by point but ask yourself this. Do you really assert that the Windows that ends up on this tablet with the TI OMAP processor is the same as desktop Windows? Forget all the canned demo crap and hyperbole. Do you really believe that they are the same OS? I'll just say this, if you do believe that then the "Windows Everywhere" marketing is obviously working.
Take a real look at them. They didn't suck in comparison to their competition.
I beg to differ. They were ugly, heavier than ipods of similar specs, and the interface was less intuitive. Together, that counts as suck. And the Zune HD had piss poor third party support, and the apps that were on it took too long to load with some even requiring full page video ads to be viewed before they would even start up. Yes, that sucks when the iPod touch is so much better.
There you have painted it as a technological problem - that it is somehow impossible to take desktop Windows as a base for a tablet OS and make it work.
I guess I did implicitly say something like that but now that you bring it up, I'd actually say that it is true. I mean, to turn desktop Windows into a true tablet OS is going to require a complete redesign of the entire shell to make it touch centric. Everything from the File Explorer, the file picker, control panel, mmc, so on and so forth. Then, in order for it to compete with iOS and Android, you'll have to significantly reduce its system requirements or the other guys will just walk all over you with cheaper hardware and a similarly fluid and fast system for a lower price. You'll have to come out with new api's for gps, front/rear cameras, accelerometers, compass, etc. for tablet centric hardware, the OS's size will have to be slimmed down significantly as Windows 7 in its present incarnation would take up most of a 16 GB onboard memory footprint. And, I'm sure there is more I'm just glossing over.
And when you're done with all of that, do you really have "desktop" windows anymore? No. Not anymore than Android is desktop Linux or iOS is desktop OSX. The whole Windows and start logo marketing thing is just ridiculous but we all already know that.
In other words, precisely what you decry as "not working".
You are precisely wrong.
The difference is Apple reset consumer expectation. They didn't say, "Here's OSX for your phone". People would have looked at it and been like, "WTF? This isn't OSX." MS is making this mistake. Again. They are saying this is Windows for your tablet. Never mind the fact that your applications won't work on the ARM version and the x86 applications aren't designed to be run on a touch screen for the x86 version. It's a lose/lose and consumers can smell it.
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Hey, I pay good money for Microsoft products. Do you have any idea how much broadband internet costs around here?
Which of the patents in question are both a result of something dreamed up in MSR and something not so obvious that it hasn't been co-invented multiple times elsewhere? Oh, you don't know. Because, the patents in question haven't even been revealed since the licensees are under NDA. So, basically, you just threw a bunch of blather on the screen as fast as your fingers could hit a ctrl-c and a ctrl-v. Or do you just have those combo's hotkeyed to your mouse or something?
Has BitTorrent since become better at transferring small files, or is it still suited only for large transfers?
Whatever issue you're having, I'm not seeing it.
I gave it the old college try for two months but finally, after gritting my teeth for the last time, I made a beeline for the blank CD's and had Ubuntu installed over my lunch break.
Now, I can finally be productive with great tools integrated into the OS. SSH, bash, apt-get, tilda, vi, and most of my dev environment just an apt-get install away. Not to mention that the devices I work with (acer iconia a500, motorola xoom, nexus s) have the drivers built in for a drama free plug and play. If they tried to make me go back to windows, I'd resign on the spot.
Somehow you've made Bing and MS sound even more pathetic. Maybe they should just double down on their new competitive strategy and sue somebody. Maybe they can at least get a few scraps.
Windows Phone 7 is slick but as a daily driver, Android is just better.
Is this the latest party line from the luddite contingent? Well, I for one just don't see any reason to be stuck in the past with windows phone when I can be on the cutting edge with Android. Quaint notion, though it may be.
We steal great ideas shamelessly. --Steve Jobs
Wait, what? All reports have it that MS is still losing market share in mobile with wp7. Do you have a source to cite that contradicts this?
Mango delivers last years Android features 6 months from now. I guess it's interesting for nostalgic value. Of course, by that time, Android and iOS will have lept past them yet again. It's a losing battle for MS. They're just too late. Better luck next round.
I left Windows Mobile on my HTC Apache to get a G1 the day it came out. The G1 smoked the winmo device like it wasnt anybodies business. I say that to say this: between wp7 and winmo, I'd go winmo any day. Way more features, actual multitasking, an interface not loaded down with gui parlor tricks, better third party ecosystem... the list goes on. MS would have done better refining what they had. They chose to make the bed they lie in now.
I know it's popular to portray Microsoft as the Evil Empire, but this totally sucks.
I am no friend of Microsoft as anyone who has read my past posts can attest to but I agree this just stinks. Software patents serve the purposes of the big boys and do nothing but stifle the little guys.
Case in point, I was making a spinner dialog for an Android app this morning and was searching for a way to directly change the xml values in the string resource that populates the drop down box. Well, looking at this very case, I can see why the Android sdk doesn't allow you to directly manipulate that xml programmatically. So, now I have to do it a different way that adds unnecessary complexity (not looking for a tutorial, I figgered it out).
This impacts me. And this is such a brain dead obvious thing to do that the fact that it is patented and worth 300 million dollars is fucking ridiculous!
Eat shit, faggot.
Actually, I think reading of and maybe minor changes/notetaking on a Word document is a pretty good use case for a Windows tablet, especially in the business world.
Then how does that make Windows special? There are very popular "Word" file editors on every tablet platform that matters.
Whatever, dude.
That's Macworld, i.e., preaching to the faithful. Not mainstream advertising. How about a little intellectual honesty?
How about at the Macworld keynote?
Joe Sixpack doesn't give 2 shits about a Macworld keynote. That's just preaching to the faithful all of whom already know and love OSX so of course they would trumpet it.
Try the original iPhone website.
Several years ago, if it wasn't on TV, it wasn't true mainstream advertising.
Now that they are coming out with their own tablet and a tablet-centric UI for the next version of Windows, you can damn well bet
No you can't "damn well bet" anything. MS' Windows people have been beating the tablet drum for a decade and the Office team have basically gave them the collective finger.
Not to mention all the popular third-party apps out there that will be redesigned as well, same as what happened to many popular third-party apps for Mac when Apple released iOS.
Believe whatever you want to believe, I guess.
Sure IE/Office and many other apps don't support touch screens
You just nailed it. If MS can't even get their first party efforts together for touch screen, do you really expect anybody else to care?
In what consumer facing marketing literature did they make this claim? MS does it in all of theirs.
Well, you still have the same OS, and largely the same userland except for highest-level UI... so yes?
I'm not going to refute you point by point but ask yourself this. Do you really assert that the Windows that ends up on this tablet with the TI OMAP processor is the same as desktop Windows? Forget all the canned demo crap and hyperbole. Do you really believe that they are the same OS? I'll just say this, if you do believe that then the "Windows Everywhere" marketing is obviously working.
Take a real look at them. They didn't suck in comparison to their competition.
I beg to differ. They were ugly, heavier than ipods of similar specs, and the interface was less intuitive. Together, that counts as suck. And the Zune HD had piss poor third party support, and the apps that were on it took too long to load with some even requiring full page video ads to be viewed before they would even start up. Yes, that sucks when the iPod touch is so much better.
There you have painted it as a technological problem - that it is somehow impossible to take desktop Windows as a base for a tablet OS and make it work.
I guess I did implicitly say something like that but now that you bring it up, I'd actually say that it is true. I mean, to turn desktop Windows into a true tablet OS is going to require a complete redesign of the entire shell to make it touch centric. Everything from the File Explorer, the file picker, control panel, mmc, so on and so forth. Then, in order for it to compete with iOS and Android, you'll have to significantly reduce its system requirements or the other guys will just walk all over you with cheaper hardware and a similarly fluid and fast system for a lower price. You'll have to come out with new api's for gps, front/rear cameras, accelerometers, compass, etc. for tablet centric hardware, the OS's size will have to be slimmed down significantly as Windows 7 in its present incarnation would take up most of a 16 GB onboard memory footprint. And, I'm sure there is more I'm just glossing over.
And when you're done with all of that, do you really have "desktop" windows anymore? No. Not anymore than Android is desktop Linux or iOS is desktop OSX. The whole Windows and start logo marketing thing is just ridiculous but we all already know that.
My impression of the Zune HD and Kin's failures is that they failed as a result of piss poor marketing
Yeah, they just needed to fix it with marketing. It couldn't have been because they flat sucked compared to the competition? Surely not.
In other words, precisely what you decry as "not working".
You are precisely wrong. The difference is Apple reset consumer expectation. They didn't say, "Here's OSX for your phone". People would have looked at it and been like, "WTF? This isn't OSX." MS is making this mistake. Again. They are saying this is Windows for your tablet. Never mind the fact that your applications won't work on the ARM version and the x86 applications aren't designed to be run on a touch screen for the x86 version. It's a lose/lose and consumers can smell it.