That's interesting. I have an Acer Aspire One with an Atom N270 running at 1.6 GHz and a Motorola Xoom with a Nvidia Tegra2 overclocked to 1.4 GHz. The AAO is running Ubuntu natively and the Tablet has it installed in a chroot environment. Every benchmark I have ran, the tablet has inched out the netbook by a few percent. If anyone has an idea for a benchmark, I'd be happy to run it.
After submitting that they have my street name wrong and the next one over with it's label, and another one missing, years ago,
That's strange. I submitted a correction for two streets where I live that had the names mixed up and about a month later, they sent me an email thanking me and the switch was made. OSM had the same error (must have came from the Tiger data) and I just fixed it myself. Not sure why your change wasn't made to GM.
That's exactly the point I make to anybody who froths "b-b-but I read it/saw it on the news". I politely inquire into their area of expertise then I ask them how they would rate the accuracy of any news story they've ever viewed that is about their particular area of knowledge. When the lightbulb goes off, it is a thing of beauty.
Refusing to even contemplate that someone else may have a point when they level criticism at your software of choice - that is fanboyism
Here is your point:
My point is that in the F/OSS world, as a proportion of the total number of software products out there a greater number are, by and large, behind their commercial brethren. Frequently a decade or more behind.
I contemplated this. I've contemplated this everyday for many years when making the choice of exactly what piece of software I would use for a particular task. Between gimp and photoshop, sure photoshop has more features, same for libreoffice writer and word. However, there are many many applications where this is precisely the opposite. I listed a few above. To dismiss reality flippantly like you have is just ignorant. I am sure that if somebody really cared, a study could be commissioned but, I can certainly say that, anecdotally, free software tends to be superior or equivalent. Is apache 10 years behind Iis? compiz behind Aero and quartz? Kde4 behind explorer? I mean seriously, come on.
Automator and autohk achieve essentially the same thing just in different ways. Autohk is more configurable being primarily script based whereas automator caters more to the click 'n' drool crowd. To say that puts automator a decade ahead of autohk is just absurd. Some would claim the opposite.
And, I say you are cherry picking. Of course, "so much" is a weasel phrase and can mean whatever you want it to mean. To me, it implies a significant percentage, possibly a majority. If that is what you are saying, you are wrong. I can cherry pick a list of thousands of applications that have superior free versions. I use Debian and up until very recently, I was using Windows 7 at work. Finally, I had to put my foot down there. I just couldn't achieve a comfortable level of productivity on it without having a Linux desktop and Cygwin wasn't cutting it.
There are many workflow enhancing things about the Linux desktop. Alt dragging and resizing of application window, being able to scroll one window with the mouse whilst having focus remain on another window for keyboard input including different frames of the same window. Apps like tilda that have hotkey access to the terminal for code editing, file sharing with scp, scriptong, etc. "Advanced" window manager settings like tiling, configurable buttons, always on top, and so on. Any applcation I need just an "apt-get" away. Multiple desktops. The list goes on for miles. Saying windows and osx are 10 years ahead is just pure fanboy/fud BS.
So much F/OSS software is like using the commercial equivalent circa 10 or 15 years ago it's absurd.
I'm not sure I can agree with this. Just looking at my net book here, I use Amarok 1.4 which is equal or superior to any other audio player I've seen. I use vlc, mplayer, eclipse, firefox, chromium, compiz, cairo-dock, dolphin for file management, gedit for text editing, gnome-terminal for a terminal, virtualbox for a vm, k3b to burn cd's and on and on. All of this runs on top of the linux kernel that supports preemptive multi-tasking, advanced file systems, blah blah blah. What part of this is inferior to today's proprietary software, much less 10 to 15 years ago?
If you're willing to drop some small percent in favor of a more robust interface, you can switch to Flash.
It's not about what percentage of people can use your site. It's about how much money you can pull in. iOS in the big picture has a fairly small percentage of the overall market compared to the desktop. Despite this, many mainstream sites have redesigned their sites with html5 and h264 video.
Windows on ARM isn't replacing [windows on the desktop], so WoA doesn't need its army of third-party apps.
It may not need the particular army of third party apps that makes desktop windows successful but to compete with Android and iOS, it will need an army of them. A couple of first party ports isn't going to cut it. RIM knows this, hence the Dalvik compatibility. Just ask Palm^H^H^H^H HP what happens when nobody develops for your mobile platform.
Taking WMP, Office, and IE in combination with Flash and Adobe Reader gives a typical office user everything they're expecting on a mobile platform.
Yeah, because they are using iPads, Blackberries and Androids. Expectations have been set. They know they're not going to be able to run Office(TM). Give them something with "Windows 8" and they will expect Windows in all its glory. They will be disappointed. Go around your office and look at everybody's personal smartphones or tablets if they have them. Tell me all they have is a media player, documentstogo or whatever, a browser and a pdf reader. Back yet? That's what I thought. People's tablet-y things are full of random apps that are important to them. I'm more inclined to believe people will just keep buying iPads rather than Windows 8 on ARM
Anything that requires "going to work". Be that from the bedroom to the den or from your house to wherever and anything in between. The contrast I was drawing was between gadget junkie slashdotters pretending that Office and IE comprise all that is necessary to work and people like myself that actually do have a job overseeing the IT in a major company, having spent years in the industry at several such companies and know damn good and well that the stack that makes up the typical computer and facilitates people doing their jobs is much more than just Office and IE for "40 - 50 percent of people". Period. Full stop. The fact that people are arguing this point with me is the laughable part.
It wasn't hyperbole, it was pure BS. The intent of the other posters and you yourself is to pretend that windows on arm is automatically a viable platform just because it has a browser and an office suite. To anyone with a real job, that assertion is laughable.
See my answer to the other guy that said this. You've either never worked in a real office or you're lying. There are always other third part mission critical applcations on almost every desktop. Quickbooks, photoshop, and so on. Almost every business on the planet would stop functioning if all software stopped functioning aside from Office and of.
Most documents worth viewing on a tablet are in pdf format and there are several very good pdf viewers on iOS and android. It's just disingenuous to imply most people are running around looking at docx and xls files on their tablets which is what the other person I was replying to was trying to say. Since I'm typing this on a Xoom, I took the liberty of checking the market. Documentstogo, an office file editor and viewer is the 11th top selling item. No other office type app is anywhere on the first page. I didn't keep going. To say half of people's needs are met with office (and ie) does not jive with that as there are many apps in other categories that outsell Documentstogo.
Doesn't really matter what kind of device you are referring to, I was remarking more on how delusional one must be to think ie and office meet the needs of 50 percent of consumers. Last I checked, games were what was burning up the sales charts for tablets and smartphones. Neither of which ie or office are.
Not really. Every office I've ever worked in always had Office and at least a couple of other mission critical applications along with it. Be it Quickbooks with various plugins, photoshop, endicia, the ups app for shipping, etc. Office and ie are nothing on arm without the rest of the third party gang along for the ride.
This is not true at all. I had a terrible time trying to use the Android Scripting Environment before I had vim installed. Instead of constantly trying to reposition the cursor with your fingers, you just tap the hjkl keys. Not only that but you get everything that using vi implies. Code completion, instant shell access, advanced regexp find and replace, line numbering, and so on. Please, don't knock it until you've tried it.
Why go through the trouble of sshing anywhere when you can have all that perly goodness right on your phone? Since you are using connectbot, I assume you have an android phone?
The coolest part to me is that this has the potential to be to a new generation of kids what QBasic and TI calculator programming were for kids like me
Have you forgotten that these are smartphones with 70 dollar plus plans attached? These are not like the calculators and commodore64's of yesteryear and the overlap between budding 12 year old programmer and the people who will be carrying these things will be small.
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That's interesting. I have an Acer Aspire One with an Atom N270 running at 1.6 GHz and a Motorola Xoom with a Nvidia Tegra2 overclocked to 1.4 GHz. The AAO is running Ubuntu natively and the Tablet has it installed in a chroot environment. Every benchmark I have ran, the tablet has inched out the netbook by a few percent. If anyone has an idea for a benchmark, I'd be happy to run it.
After submitting that they have my street name wrong and the next one over with it's label, and another one missing, years ago,
That's strange. I submitted a correction for two streets where I live that had the names mixed up and about a month later, they sent me an email thanking me and the switch was made. OSM had the same error (must have came from the Tiger data) and I just fixed it myself. Not sure why your change wasn't made to GM.
That's exactly the point I make to anybody who froths "b-b-but I read it/saw it on the news". I politely inquire into their area of expertise then I ask them how they would rate the accuracy of any news story they've ever viewed that is about their particular area of knowledge. When the lightbulb goes off, it is a thing of beauty.
Refusing to even contemplate that someone else may have a point when they level criticism at your software of choice - that is fanboyism
Here is your point:
My point is that in the F/OSS world, as a proportion of the total number of software products out there a greater number are, by and large, behind their commercial brethren. Frequently a decade or more behind.
I contemplated this. I've contemplated this everyday for many years when making the choice of exactly what piece of software I would use for a particular task. Between gimp and photoshop, sure photoshop has more features, same for libreoffice writer and word. However, there are many many applications where this is precisely the opposite. I listed a few above. To dismiss reality flippantly like you have is just ignorant. I am sure that if somebody really cared, a study could be commissioned but, I can certainly say that, anecdotally, free software tends to be superior or equivalent. Is apache 10 years behind Iis? compiz behind Aero and quartz? Kde4 behind explorer? I mean seriously, come on.
Automator and autohk achieve essentially the same thing just in different ways. Autohk is more configurable being primarily script based whereas automator caters more to the click 'n' drool crowd. To say that puts automator a decade ahead of autohk is just absurd. Some would claim the opposite.
I said "so much". I did not say "All".
And, I say you are cherry picking. Of course, "so much" is a weasel phrase and can mean whatever you want it to mean. To me, it implies a significant percentage, possibly a majority. If that is what you are saying, you are wrong. I can cherry pick a list of thousands of applications that have superior free versions. I use Debian and up until very recently, I was using Windows 7 at work. Finally, I had to put my foot down there. I just couldn't achieve a comfortable level of productivity on it without having a Linux desktop and Cygwin wasn't cutting it.
There are many workflow enhancing things about the Linux desktop. Alt dragging and resizing of application window, being able to scroll one window with the mouse whilst having focus remain on another window for keyboard input including different frames of the same window. Apps like tilda that have hotkey access to the terminal for code editing, file sharing with scp, scriptong, etc. "Advanced" window manager settings like tiling, configurable buttons, always on top, and so on. Any applcation I need just an "apt-get" away. Multiple desktops. The list goes on for miles. Saying windows and osx are 10 years ahead is just pure fanboy/fud BS.
Where's the mac OS X "automator" equivalent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoHotkey
So much F/OSS software is like using the commercial equivalent circa 10 or 15 years ago it's absurd.
I'm not sure I can agree with this. Just looking at my net book here, I use Amarok 1.4 which is equal or superior to any other audio player I've seen. I use vlc, mplayer, eclipse, firefox, chromium, compiz, cairo-dock, dolphin for file management, gedit for text editing, gnome-terminal for a terminal, virtualbox for a vm, k3b to burn cd's and on and on. All of this runs on top of the linux kernel that supports preemptive multi-tasking, advanced file systems, blah blah blah. What part of this is inferior to today's proprietary software, much less 10 to 15 years ago?
I'm just a beginner power user on Unix so, no, AC was definitely not trolling.
I have a great selection of games to play. They're on my Xbox. Where they belong.
She is however quite nice looking
I disagree.
If you're willing to drop some small percent in favor of a more robust interface, you can switch to Flash.
It's not about what percentage of people can use your site. It's about how much money you can pull in. iOS in the big picture has a fairly small percentage of the overall market compared to the desktop. Despite this, many mainstream sites have redesigned their sites with html5 and h264 video.
Windows on ARM isn't replacing [windows on the desktop], so WoA doesn't need its army of third-party apps.
It may not need the particular army of third party apps that makes desktop windows successful but to compete with Android and iOS, it will need an army of them. A couple of first party ports isn't going to cut it. RIM knows this, hence the Dalvik compatibility. Just ask Palm^H^H^H^H HP what happens when nobody develops for your mobile platform.
Taking WMP, Office, and IE in combination with Flash and Adobe Reader gives a typical office user everything they're expecting on a mobile platform.
Yeah, because they are using iPads, Blackberries and Androids. Expectations have been set. They know they're not going to be able to run Office(TM). Give them something with "Windows 8" and they will expect Windows in all its glory. They will be disappointed. Go around your office and look at everybody's personal smartphones or tablets if they have them. Tell me all they have is a media player, documentstogo or whatever, a browser and a pdf reader. Back yet? That's what I thought. People's tablet-y things are full of random apps that are important to them. I'm more inclined to believe people will just keep buying iPads rather than Windows 8 on ARM
My dad's an electrician.
Nice anecdote.
Care to tell me what you consider a real job?
Anything that requires "going to work". Be that from the bedroom to the den or from your house to wherever and anything in between. The contrast I was drawing was between gadget junkie slashdotters pretending that Office and IE comprise all that is necessary to work and people like myself that actually do have a job overseeing the IT in a major company, having spent years in the industry at several such companies and know damn good and well that the stack that makes up the typical computer and facilitates people doing their jobs is much more than just Office and IE for "40 - 50 percent of people". Period. Full stop. The fact that people are arguing this point with me is the laughable part.
It wasn't hyperbole, it was pure BS. The intent of the other posters and you yourself is to pretend that windows on arm is automatically a viable platform just because it has a browser and an office suite. To anyone with a real job, that assertion is laughable.
See my answer to the other guy that said this. You've either never worked in a real office or you're lying. There are always other third part mission critical applcations on almost every desktop. Quickbooks, photoshop, and so on. Almost every business on the planet would stop functioning if all software stopped functioning aside from Office and of.
Proof positive that marketing works! The parent can't tell the difference between wince and winnt. Wow. Just wow.
Most documents worth viewing on a tablet are in pdf format and there are several very good pdf viewers on iOS and android. It's just disingenuous to imply most people are running around looking at docx and xls files on their tablets which is what the other person I was replying to was trying to say. Since I'm typing this on a Xoom, I took the liberty of checking the market. Documentstogo, an office file editor and viewer is the 11th top selling item. No other office type app is anywhere on the first page. I didn't keep going. To say half of people's needs are met with office (and ie) does not jive with that as there are many apps in other categories that outsell Documentstogo.
Really? An office suite on any device for nearly every user? Do people even think about what they are saying?
Doesn't really matter what kind of device you are referring to, I was remarking more on how delusional one must be to think ie and office meet the needs of 50 percent of consumers. Last I checked, games were what was burning up the sales charts for tablets and smartphones. Neither of which ie or office are.
Not really. Every office I've ever worked in always had Office and at least a couple of other mission critical applications along with it. Be it Quickbooks with various plugins, photoshop, endicia, the ups app for shipping, etc. Office and ie are nothing on arm without the rest of the third party gang along for the ride.
the Borg reference is just not relevant or current these days.
Seems to me that after buying ISO and the rent-seeking patent trolling they've been up to lately, it's just as relevant as ever.
This is not true at all. I had a terrible time trying to use the Android Scripting Environment before I had vim installed. Instead of constantly trying to reposition the cursor with your fingers, you just tap the hjkl keys. Not only that but you get everything that using vi implies. Code completion, instant shell access, advanced regexp find and replace, line numbering, and so on. Please, don't knock it until you've tried it.
Why go through the trouble of sshing anywhere when you can have all that perly goodness right on your phone? Since you are using connectbot, I assume you have an android phone?
The coolest part to me is that this has the potential to be to a new generation of kids what QBasic and TI calculator programming were for kids like me
Have you forgotten that these are smartphones with 70 dollar plus plans attached? These are not like the calculators and commodore64's of yesteryear and the overlap between budding 12 year old programmer and the people who will be carrying these things will be small.