Just for the record, it works great in Linux too. I have a
5 inch monitor set at 1024x768 with the fonts set at 126 DPI. I haven't
found an application yet that pukes.
Except for the fact that it only does it for bookmarks... unless you're clicking bookmark after every key...
Except according to TFA, it is taking screenshots during
online banking sessions which would seem to indicate that
the site doesn't have to be bookmarked for this to work as one
might bookmark the login page of your bank, it's extremely
unlikely you would bookmark the actual page after you are
logged in which are 2 different pages.
Fair enough. I think the idea though, is that since it's a
mobile device with a crappy keyboard, you need to see the letters
at least for a split second to be sure you typed the right thing.
And I'm not sure about the stock ROMs that come with these phones
but the modded and rooted ones I run have a toggle for the
behavior buried in the menus somewhere.
I have 2 Android phones, a G1 and a droid of which I am typing this on right now. if the
phone the article is discussing doesn't show the letters for a split second, it is an
exception.
Except for the fact that as you're typing them in, they show
each letter for a second or so then it becomes an asterisk. Say somebody
uses the same password for a number of sites and you're unlucky
enough that a screen cap was taken at various times showing the
different letters...
So they add on their on UI so customers see it as a better android handset as the ones from other manufacturers.
I guess if your customer's are complete idiots. Otherwise, you get
the experience I had when I was at a T-Mobile store yesterday. I
was looking at the new keyboarded version of the My3G and the interface
goo they layered on top of Android was just atrocious. Garish bubblegummy
looking colors and useless craptastic additions do not a superior
interface make. It's like the shit pc makers do to Windows. Adding
a bunch of useless docks and shit. Sure, technically, you are adding
features and differentiating yourself. But, if it's so great, why
do practically all of your savvy customers immediately take it home and
wipe it all off? Same thing with SenseUi, motoblur, what ever else.
It's all just useless unnecessary junk. I have a Droid with a stock
albeit rooted Froyo interface. It's gorgeous, uncluttered, and works spectacularly.
You're talking about 2 different things. The bugs
descendants are what actually evolved the resistance. Whereas,
in the case of yourself, you yourself "adapted".
I've been using nomachine's
server and client for years over Verizon 3G and it works fantastically.
And since Google's nx stuff seems to be based on nomachine's
I can't imagine it will be worse but probably even better.
And if they really want to impress, make it so locally
connected USB devices can be transparently passed through to the
computer I'm connected to a la VirtualBox's similar trick.
Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't you just use something like
Encfs and fuse
and just access your encrypted files as if they were a mounted
file system right on your local system with all that implies?
Thanks, that's very interesting results. My G1 with CM 4.2.15.1 and
the dusted donuts jit backport only gets 3.6 on linpack and it's
pretty fast so I just might pull the trigger on that Droid.
Is that really true? I've been hanging on to my G1 because a
keyboard is a "gotta have". I thought about going to Verizon
and getting a Droid but everything I read, even an overclocked
Droid isn't as fast as an Incredible and I'm not going to buy a
Droid just to have has-been hardware when I can probably stick
it out just a little longer and get something better. Although,
now that the Inc is rooted, it's starting to look awfully
tempting.
Yeah except it wasn't just this Vista PC. My Windows XP machine came with Microsoft Office, as does my Windows 98 laptop. I thought that was standard procedure - the restore disc includes BOTH Windows and Office
No way unless you bought them specifically like that which, again,
is a highly unusual scenario. Many computers come with a trial
version of Office but that is as much "Office" as a shareware game
is the game, i.e., it isn't.
Doubt it. Since Windows 7 == NT 6.1 and Vista == NT 6.0, you probably won't have any problem. Seven is just Vista SP2 - it can use Vista drivers without any problem.
The only drivers on the manufacturer's site are for 2k/XP and 7
couldn't "find" any.
Next time try reading the WHOLE message, not just the first two sentences.
It's one thing to have an intentionally ambiguous opening line as a hook and then elaborate
on it with the rest of the message. That's not what you did. You
stated in no uncertain terms that one thing was the "same thing" as
the other when it is indeed not no matter how you try to spin it.
Maybe next time, make sure your entire message is coherent and self-consistent.
Stating one thing in the first 2 lines and then trying to sculpt in
into something entirely else in the rest of your message isn't fooling anybody.
If Windows came with a full version of Office, people would, rightfully, be screaming bloody murder about monopoly abuse. However, I have seen certain manufacturers include a trial version of Office 2007 as part of the crapware in their default image
We all lie in the beds we make. Even the mightiest among us.
My PC, when I run the restore CD, installs both Vista and Microsoft Office and a few other useful programs.
Now, what you originally said.
All you have to do is pop-in a CD and install. After that the system usually has everything the user needs (web browser, Microsoft Office, etc).
Note the bolded words. Don't say one thing and then when you are challenged
try to backpedal and pretend you said something else. You may have
a special restore CD that has Office, etc. but that is extremely atypical.
As a matter of fact, you are damn lucky to get any CD at all these days
with a new PC much less a restore CD.
Ubuntu 9.0 - every time I try to install Flash, it goes to the 90% mark and then generates an error about not having root privileges. I've tried multiple times to log-in as root, but I just keep getting the same error. At this point I'll probably just wipe it clean with a fresh Ubuntu 10.0 install
When you get 10.04 installed, click on Applications in the upper left
hand menu and then click Ubuntu Software Center. When it pops up,
the search box will be auto-selected so just start typing Adobe Flash
Plugin. When it finds it (and it will), click "Install". Works every time. Now, you
can enjoy all the dancing monkeys and kitten videos your heart can endure.
"Sorry we don't support any OS but Windows 98, XP, Vista, and Seven." No Mac. No Linux.
I imagine my scanner OEM will say something pretty similar about Windows 7.
There were no applications on that computer that didn't have functional
or identical Linux equivalents.
But would the applications still work? A lot of Windows applications still have no equivalent in Ubuntu main/universe, especially games. Or has Wine already improved to the point where it can run Windows XP apps more reliably than Windows 7 can?
I doubt that would have bothered her very much.
It wasn't my sister so I didn't take it upon myself to suggest Linux. However,
I did switch my mother over and she has never been happier with her
computer. She's not computer literate at all (double clicks hyperlinks) and
she got only the most basic use from Windows XP. I finally got tired
of the quarterly virus removals and said, "you know what? I got something for ya" I put Ubuntu on her computer, set up a nice theme, replaced the
nautilus desktop with plasma so she could have the beautiful widgets that
comes with it. Customized k3b so she could easily burn her CD's (within 5
minutes, she was burning CD's, no joke) something
she was never able to do with Windows no matter how many times she was shown how.
Set up openoffice so she could "write her book", set up evolution to
sync with her Google calendar so she could actually use it. And so on. I haven't
heard a peep out of her other than how much she loves it and how she's
telling all of her friends.
Of course, you might say, well, yeah, but where would she be if you
hadn't set it up? True that but I didn't do anything a half-decent
OEM couldn't do.
Someone who already has a working printer and has no need for a POTS fax machine.
Pay for the scanner, the printer is a freebie. Who knows, it might
come in handy when your other one dies.
How is the end user, even one who knows that Ubuntu and Fedora mean Linux,
I don't think it's as much of a secret as you seem to believe.
supposed to know that "universal" on an HP product means Linux and not, say, NBC?
>>>Are you trying to say that downloading and using open source software is equivalent to mass copyright infringement of music, books, and movies?
Strawman argument.
Not at all. Here's the rundown:
larrybagina started out with this flame:
Open Source is only 90% cheaper if your time is worth 10%.
To which you responded thusly:
I think you'll find the same thing is happening in the Media industry. People's ability to download movies, songs, books for free is devaluing the time and wages of the creators.
You said right there that p2p piracy is the "same thing" as open source
being 90 percent cheaper blah blah blah thus equating piracy with using open source. How is me challenging exactly what you said a strawman? If you misspoke,
just move on and do better next time.
That's exactly my point. If betterunixthanunix wants to treat "Fedora", "Ubuntu", and other popular distributions as separate platforms, as shown in this comment
Hold on there, Tiger. I just read that comment in its entirety and he
didn't actually use the word "platform". He said operating system which is
valid. Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora are not the same operating system, however,
they do share the same platform. Just like Windows 2k/XP and Vista/7 aren't
the same operating systems, they do share a platform and can all run
most of the same programs more or less. The only real difference is
Windows all comes from MS and Linux comes from whoever feels like putting
a distro together or http://www.kernel.org./
They work with the versions of Windows that are listed on the box: probably Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
Thanks for the clarification. The fact that hardware works only
for specific versions of Windows is very pertinent to techies like ourselves.
I can't say the same for everyone else. My brother's girlfriend was
"working" on her sister's computer which was having some XP problems. So
she installed Win7 (admittedly of dubious origin but that isn't my business) on it. Everything was great except the graphics weren't working right. I looked at
it and sure enough, it was in VESA mode. Looked around for drivers and there
were none. I tried to explain that to her but she didn't really care
about the details. In her mind, Win7 "sucked". So, XP is back on.
But to what end? A functional computer for a while until it gets gummed
up with malware again. And XP support is fast coming to an end. What then?
If Ubuntu had been installed, not only would the graphics card work (I tested it) but it would have kept on working and Ubuntu is vastly more secure than XP OOTB with built-in MAC via apparmor, all ports default off, etc.
The boxes for scanners in Best Buy doesn't list any version of Ubuntu.
Who buys just scanners? A combo printer/fax/scanner is less than 50 dollars.
BB sells mostly HP and Lexmark. I was there very recently and practically every single
one has either "universal" (HP code for Linux) or Linux (Lexmark) printed right on the box.
I haven't been as lucky as you. The scanner I bought for use in Windows (Microtek ScanMaker 4850 USB) turned out to be listed as unsupported in SANE, a component that all major desktop Linux distributions share, when I tried to switch to Linux. It's still unsupported.
That's too bad. I'll be sure to avoid Microtek and buy a scanner
from one of the myriad other scanner makers in the future.
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Gnome but I run Amarok and just set it at 126 from the KDE systemsettings program.
Just for the record, it works great in Linux too. I have a 5 inch monitor set at 1024x768 with the fonts set at 126 DPI. I haven't found an application yet that pukes.
Except according to TFA, it is taking screenshots during online banking sessions which would seem to indicate that the site doesn't have to be bookmarked for this to work as one might bookmark the login page of your bank, it's extremely unlikely you would bookmark the actual page after you are logged in which are 2 different pages.
Fair enough. I think the idea though, is that since it's a mobile device with a crappy keyboard, you need to see the letters at least for a split second to be sure you typed the right thing. And I'm not sure about the stock ROMs that come with these phones but the modded and rooted ones I run have a toggle for the behavior buried in the menus somewhere.
I have 2 Android phones, a G1 and a droid of which I am typing this on right now. if the phone the article is discussing doesn't show the letters for a split second, it is an exception.
Passwords appear as ***** so no worry there,
Except for the fact that as you're typing them in, they show each letter for a second or so then it becomes an asterisk. Say somebody uses the same password for a number of sites and you're unlucky enough that a screen cap was taken at various times showing the different letters...
I guess if your customer's are complete idiots. Otherwise, you get the experience I had when I was at a T-Mobile store yesterday. I was looking at the new keyboarded version of the My3G and the interface goo they layered on top of Android was just atrocious. Garish bubblegummy looking colors and useless craptastic additions do not a superior interface make. It's like the shit pc makers do to Windows. Adding a bunch of useless docks and shit. Sure, technically, you are adding features and differentiating yourself. But, if it's so great, why do practically all of your savvy customers immediately take it home and wipe it all off? Same thing with SenseUi, motoblur, what ever else. It's all just useless unnecessary junk. I have a Droid with a stock albeit rooted Froyo interface. It's gorgeous, uncluttered, and works spectacularly.
You're talking about 2 different things. The bugs descendants are what actually evolved the resistance. Whereas, in the case of yourself, you yourself "adapted".
Crap. Posted from my phone so I'm sure you'll forgive my "i" tag bungling.
I obviously disagree. I think it's playing with words to say they have lost money. Not only that but it engender a dangerous sense of entitlement.
I've been using nomachine's server and client for years over Verizon 3G and it works fantastically. And since Google's nx stuff seems to be based on nomachine's I can't imagine it will be worse but probably even better.
And if they really want to impress, make it so locally connected USB devices can be transparently passed through to the computer I'm connected to a la VirtualBox's similar trick.
Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't you just use something like Encfs and fuse and just access your encrypted files as if they were a mounted file system right on your local system with all that implies?
Thanks, that's very interesting results. My G1 with CM 4.2.15.1 and the dusted donuts jit backport only gets 3.6 on linpack and it's pretty fast so I just might pull the trigger on that Droid.
Even at 1Ghz it beats an incredible.
Is that really true? I've been hanging on to my G1 because a keyboard is a "gotta have". I thought about going to Verizon and getting a Droid but everything I read, even an overclocked Droid isn't as fast as an Incredible and I'm not going to buy a Droid just to have has-been hardware when I can probably stick it out just a little longer and get something better. Although, now that the Inc is rooted, it's starting to look awfully tempting.
Yeah except it wasn't just this Vista PC. My Windows XP machine came with Microsoft Office, as does my Windows 98 laptop. I thought that was standard procedure - the restore disc includes BOTH Windows and Office
No way unless you bought them specifically like that which, again, is a highly unusual scenario. Many computers come with a trial version of Office but that is as much "Office" as a shareware game is the game, i.e., it isn't.
Doubt it. Since Windows 7 == NT 6.1 and Vista == NT 6.0, you probably won't have any problem. Seven is just Vista SP2 - it can use Vista drivers without any problem.
The only drivers on the manufacturer's site are for 2k/XP and 7 couldn't "find" any.
Next time try reading the WHOLE message, not just the first two sentences.
It's one thing to have an intentionally ambiguous opening line as a hook and then elaborate on it with the rest of the message. That's not what you did. You stated in no uncertain terms that one thing was the "same thing" as the other when it is indeed not no matter how you try to spin it.
Maybe next time, make sure your entire message is coherent and self-consistent. Stating one thing in the first 2 lines and then trying to sculpt in into something entirely else in the rest of your message isn't fooling anybody.
Oh so you are not actually talking about the OS. You are talking about nine different subjects and blaming the OS when you have to do work.
I'm talking about what the person I replied to was talking about. Nothing more, nothing less.
If Windows came with a full version of Office, people would, rightfully, be screaming bloody murder about monopoly abuse. However, I have seen certain manufacturers include a trial version of Office 2007 as part of the crapware in their default image
We all lie in the beds we make. Even the mightiest among us.
Can I edit spreadsheets in Wordpad? If not then we're talking about two different classes of products.
My PC, when I run the restore CD, installs both Vista and Microsoft Office and a few other useful programs.
Now, what you originally said.
All you have to do is pop-in a CD and install. After that the system usually has everything the user needs (web browser, Microsoft Office, etc).
Note the bolded words. Don't say one thing and then when you are challenged try to backpedal and pretend you said something else. You may have a special restore CD that has Office, etc. but that is extremely atypical. As a matter of fact, you are damn lucky to get any CD at all these days with a new PC much less a restore CD.
Ubuntu 9.0 - every time I try to install Flash, it goes to the 90% mark and then generates an error about not having root privileges. I've tried multiple times to log-in as root, but I just keep getting the same error. At this point I'll probably just wipe it clean with a fresh Ubuntu 10.0 install
When you get 10.04 installed, click on Applications in the upper left hand menu and then click Ubuntu Software Center. When it pops up, the search box will be auto-selected so just start typing Adobe Flash Plugin. When it finds it (and it will), click "Install". Works every time. Now, you can enjoy all the dancing monkeys and kitten videos your heart can endure.
"Sorry we don't support any OS but Windows 98, XP, Vista, and Seven." No Mac. No Linux.
I imagine my scanner OEM will say something pretty similar about Windows 7.
But would the applications still work?
There were no applications on that computer that didn't have functional or identical Linux equivalents.
But would the applications still work? A lot of Windows applications still have no equivalent in Ubuntu main/universe, especially games. Or has Wine already improved to the point where it can run Windows XP apps more reliably than Windows 7 can?
I doubt that would have bothered her very much.
It wasn't my sister so I didn't take it upon myself to suggest Linux. However, I did switch my mother over and she has never been happier with her computer. She's not computer literate at all (double clicks hyperlinks) and she got only the most basic use from Windows XP. I finally got tired of the quarterly virus removals and said, "you know what? I got something for ya" I put Ubuntu on her computer, set up a nice theme, replaced the nautilus desktop with plasma so she could have the beautiful widgets that comes with it. Customized k3b so she could easily burn her CD's (within 5 minutes, she was burning CD's, no joke) something she was never able to do with Windows no matter how many times she was shown how. Set up openoffice so she could "write her book", set up evolution to sync with her Google calendar so she could actually use it. And so on. I haven't heard a peep out of her other than how much she loves it and how she's telling all of her friends.
Of course, you might say, well, yeah, but where would she be if you hadn't set it up? True that but I didn't do anything a half-decent OEM couldn't do.
Someone who already has a working printer and has no need for a POTS fax machine.
Pay for the scanner, the printer is a freebie. Who knows, it might come in handy when your other one dies.
How is the end user, even one who knows that Ubuntu and Fedora mean Linux,
I don't think it's as much of a secret as you seem to believe.
supposed to know that "universal" on an HP product means Linux and not, say, NBC?
Then they'll buy Lexmarks until HP gets a clue.
>>>Are you trying to say that downloading and using open source software is equivalent to mass copyright infringement of music, books, and movies?
Strawman argument.
Not at all. Here's the rundown: larrybagina started out with this flame:
Open Source is only 90% cheaper if your time is worth 10%.
To which you responded thusly:
I think you'll find the same thing is happening in the Media industry. People's ability to download movies, songs, books for free is devaluing the time and wages of the creators.
You said right there that p2p piracy is the "same thing" as open source being 90 percent cheaper blah blah blah thus equating piracy with using open source. How is me challenging exactly what you said a strawman? If you misspoke, just move on and do better next time.
That's exactly my point. If betterunixthanunix wants to treat "Fedora", "Ubuntu", and other popular distributions as separate platforms, as shown in this comment
Hold on there, Tiger. I just read that comment in its entirety and he didn't actually use the word "platform". He said operating system which is valid. Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora are not the same operating system, however, they do share the same platform. Just like Windows 2k/XP and Vista/7 aren't the same operating systems, they do share a platform and can all run most of the same programs more or less. The only real difference is Windows all comes from MS and Linux comes from whoever feels like putting a distro together or http://www.kernel.org./
They work with the versions of Windows that are listed on the box: probably Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
Thanks for the clarification. The fact that hardware works only for specific versions of Windows is very pertinent to techies like ourselves. I can't say the same for everyone else. My brother's girlfriend was "working" on her sister's computer which was having some XP problems. So she installed Win7 (admittedly of dubious origin but that isn't my business) on it. Everything was great except the graphics weren't working right. I looked at it and sure enough, it was in VESA mode. Looked around for drivers and there were none. I tried to explain that to her but she didn't really care about the details. In her mind, Win7 "sucked". So, XP is back on. But to what end? A functional computer for a while until it gets gummed up with malware again. And XP support is fast coming to an end. What then? If Ubuntu had been installed, not only would the graphics card work (I tested it) but it would have kept on working and Ubuntu is vastly more secure than XP OOTB with built-in MAC via apparmor, all ports default off, etc.
The boxes for scanners in Best Buy doesn't list any version of Ubuntu.
Who buys just scanners? A combo printer/fax/scanner is less than 50 dollars. BB sells mostly HP and Lexmark. I was there very recently and practically every single one has either "universal" (HP code for Linux) or Linux (Lexmark) printed right on the box.
I haven't been as lucky as you. The scanner I bought for use in Windows (Microtek ScanMaker 4850 USB) turned out to be listed as unsupported in SANE, a component that all major desktop Linux distributions share, when I tried to switch to Linux. It's still unsupported.
That's too bad. I'll be sure to avoid Microtek and buy a scanner from one of the myriad other scanner makers in the future.