"In addition to posting this documentation, Microsoft also published a list indicating which of the published protocols built into the following products are covered by Microsoft patents or patent applications"
"Some of the Microsoft protocols include patented inventions, and others do not. You may benefit from a patent license if you are distributing implementations of these protocols commercially or if you use an implementation of any of the protocols covered by Microsoft patents"
"Being old I remember the time when Microsoft were this great company who liberated the computing world from the Unix wars"
I can remember going from VAX/VMS and Apples to Win3.11 and Novell, then to WinNT, each progression being worse than the one before. In terms of usability it's total stagnation.
There was Osborne computers, Eagle computers, Atari, Columbia Data Products the one that managed to clone the IBM BIOS, that allowed the rest to mass market clones, that ultimatly ended up running WinDOS exclusively. Doesn't anyone find such a market a little strange. The 'poor unfortunate victims' are us who spent years getting payed peanuts to fix bills crappy OS.
"Ms already has a large linux lab that frequently contributes code.. other bits are helping the free software comunity"
"OpenSSH on Linux using Windows/Kerberos for Authentication.. This paper will show how to use OpenSSH with the Kerberos portion of Active Directory to automate authentication"
No they won't, it's a deeply embedded corporate culture and of course MSs definition of 'open source' is different that everyone elses. What will do is continue to pollute and subvert legitimate Open Source through tactics like the Novell/MS covenant and signing patent protection deals with the others. Ultimately buying up Novell and licensing the one true IP protect open source.
Q:Is this Promise consistent with.. the GPL? And can anyone implement the specification(s) without any concerns about Microsoft patents?
A:.. We leave it to those implementing these technologies to understand the legal environments in which they operate. This includes people operating in a GPL environment "
answer: MS tried to partner with them .. :)
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'Palm Computing filed lawsuits in Germany and Italy against Microsoft on Thursday, stating that the "Palm PC" designation will cause too much confusion among consumers.. a Microsoft spokesperson said.
"We don't see how the name Palm PC conflicts with the name PalmPilot."'
Does this mean that everyone in the European Union is a potential opponent of the USA, moms apple pie and all things goodness and niceness. If so, whatever would turn them against the worlds greatest democracy. I mean it's the place everyone wants to go to, isn't it, apart from me that is..:)
"I've been critical of the US on Internet forums; is this going to give me hassle getting in when I visit next month?"
Yes, and you'll be less likely to criticize the government the next time, which I suspect is the chief purpose of such legislation. You see, without the ever present specter of communism to protect up from, the US needed something else to scare us with. Step forward Al-Qaeda and the IslamoFascist bogyman.
"A watched population is a compliant one", Adam Suttler.. If he didn't say it, he thought it..:)
I ain't a EU citizen, I'm a resident of the United Kingdom and a loyal subject of her Mag, don't need anyone monitoring me for subversive activity. I can remember when they told us the EEC was about a Common economic Market and was never about some United States of Europe. But I guess that was another heap of baloney, like the promise that they'll protect out privacy. Remember these are the same people that bugged the UN, or are we supposed to not remember that.
"The Times does not say that the EU is going to hand over private information to US authorities"
My understanding of it is: that the US is going to monitor all activity on it's residents and will hand such information over to the US, without warrant or evidence of criminal or 'terrorist' activity. And we can't even sue you guys if you lose the data. Given the lack of controls over governmental abuse in your country, shouldn't we be monitoring you. And just because you guys want to turn this place into the front line against 'terrorism' doesn't necessarily mean that we want to go along with it. The text of the article:
"The United States and the European Union are nearing completion of an agreement.. to obtain private information -- like credit card transactions, travel histories and Internet browsing habits -- about people on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean."
"the two sides are still at odds on several other matters, including whether European citizens should be able to sue the United States government over its handling of their personal data, the report said"
'the two sides have agreed that information that reveals race, religion, political opinion, health or "sexual life" may not be used by a government "unless domestic law provides appropriate safeguards."'
"I've had to.. futz around with the clunky command-line tools.. on every supercomputer I've used"
What supercomputers have you used and in what context? Personally I have found some kind of a scripting language de rigueur for serious computing. What alternative do you recommend? For example how about:
"Click here to extract a q-analogue of your hypergeometric orthogonal polynomial set"
I mean if you don't know what that means, then what difference does it make whether you use a script or a bunch of click boxes?
"Nowadays even my grandmother could install Ubuntu.. That's the progress that I think needs to happen on the supercomputer user interface side of things"
I doubt if my Grandmother would need a supercomputer to play solitare. She still thinks FM radio is voodoo, where are the clicks and the hiss..:)
"Microsoft is trying to tackle: accessible supercomputing"
Assuming MS was responding to this imagioned problem..
"The contest showed that supercomputers.. are accessible to people interested in pursuing science, simulation or modeling"
"but the learning curve for getting something running on these machines is pretty intimidating, especially for non-CS based disciplines. I've had to take a 1-2 day class, plus futz around"
You actually programed a supercomouter - cool. What type and where exactly? How does HPC Server differ in respect to other solutions?
"the Blue Gene family of supercomputers has been designed to deliver ultrascale performance within a standard programming environment"
"Hopefully Microsoft can spur the industry in this direction"
You mean like continually inventing Apple, badly..:)
"please let them at least try to develop a decent OS"
Microsoft was never concerned with making a decent OS, what they were always about was shuffling the APIs and file formats so as to sabatage their partners/competitors. They still haven't even tackled the virus/spam/phishing epidemic. See that's isn't a priority.
"If the government gets involved with Windows development"
What do you mean if, I figure the current backdoor is a little better hidden. It would be interesting running Wireshark on a Windows network and seeing where it's sending packets. At least before they make it illegal.
"It doesn't really matter what APIs exist or don't exist - so long as a business can achieve a better bottom line by using Microsoft"
It does indeed matter that Gates sabataged the APIs so as to get a competitivew advantage against the independent software developers. It only doesn't matter if you posess all the ethics of a sewer rat. It's a moot point whether business save money by using MS software. On average one fifth of their revenue.
"A business does not have an obligation to support competitors. In fact, you want to beat your competitors and win in the marketplace"
As is patently obvious the Windows monoculture isn't a market place. The OS functions so as to funnel off revenue from the rest of the economy. In effect any business that uses Windows is a client subsidiary of the MIcrosoft organization. It not as if they wan't to do business with MS, they have no choice.
"Netscape gave Microsoft the browser market because Communicator was a steaming pile of dog shit compared to IE4 and IE5"
"I think we should have to do even more cloning of Netscape.. Clone their client technology early and often (full embrace strategy)"
"In worst case scenario, Netscape will.. explicit sabotaging of any protocol extensions we make"
"Java didn't take off because Sun didn't focus anywhere near enough effort early on into getting a fast interpreter"
"it becomes clear to me that the Java OS will try to conquer the embedded marketplace.. while infesting all other computing devices with it's programming language"
"We also talked about slowing down and coordinating modifications to the Java language - I proposed a "Java Language Council" made up of key tools vendors - MS, Borland, Symantec".. But Sun don't get invited to the party..:)
"With Windows Vista, the DOJ should have laid off. It was a total debacle for Microsoft and signaled that they are in decline"
The DOJ never did squat to reign in Microsoft. Vista isn't a problem for Microsoft as they have decided their key strategy is getting control of the Internet, through litigation threats and re-innovating the protocols. Billy boy is always ten steps ahead his partners.. er partners. Is there a differece..:)
"If there is anyone who merits a look for anti-competitive, restrictive behavior it's Apple"
How many times has Apple been in court as often as Microsoft and for doing the same things.
Where on the high street can someone walk in and buy a Linux desktop. What's preventing the OEMs doing that. A retorical question that we all know the answer to..:)
Linux is being used in consumer items, it's just that it isn't visible. The PC industry is effectily a Microsoft run monopoly. The hardware manufacturers would be better expanding into the embedded market. That's if Sir William will even let them..:)
It was Columbia Data Products that suceeded first. MS owes its sucess to three fortutious events. Getting hold of 86-DOS, IBM not buying DOS outright and cheap third party clones of the IBM PC. It's ironic that they didn't pay the $50,000 until they got the first deal from IBM. So IBM even financed the deal that would ultimitly see them lose control of the IBM PC market.
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Crystal clear to me .. :)
"This is definitely useful for app developers of free software"
You mean as in you work on the implementation for free and Microsoft benefits from any commercial developments.
"In addition to posting this documentation, Microsoft also published a list indicating which of the published protocols built into the following products are covered by Microsoft patents or patent applications"
"Some of the Microsoft protocols include patented inventions, and others do not. You may benefit from a patent license if you are distributing implementations of these protocols commercially or if you use an implementation of any of the protocols covered by Microsoft patents"
"Being old I remember the time when Microsoft were this great company who liberated the computing world from the Unix wars"
I can remember going from VAX/VMS and Apples to Win3.11 and Novell, then to WinNT, each progression being worse than the one before. In terms of usability it's total stagnation.
There was Osborne computers, Eagle computers, Atari, Columbia Data Products the one that managed to clone the IBM BIOS, that allowed the rest to mass market clones, that ultimatly ended up running WinDOS exclusively. Doesn't anyone find such a market a little strange. The 'poor unfortunate victims' are us who spent years getting payed peanuts to fix bills crappy OS.
"Ms already has a large linux lab that frequently contributes code .. other bits are helping the free software comunity"
.. This paper will show how to use OpenSSH with the Kerberos portion of Active Directory to automate authentication"
"OpenSSH on Linux using Windows/Kerberos for Authentication
No they won't, it's a deeply embedded corporate culture and of course MSs definition of 'open source' is different that everyone elses. What will do is continue to pollute and subvert legitimate Open Source through tactics like the Novell/MS covenant and signing patent protection deals with the others. Ultimately buying up Novell and licensing the one true IP protect open source.
.. the GPL? And can anyone implement the specification(s) without any concerns about Microsoft patents?
.. We leave it to those implementing these technologies to understand the legal environments in which they operate. This includes people operating in a GPL environment "
Q: Is this Promise consistent with
A:
'Palm Computing filed lawsuits in Germany and Italy against Microsoft on Thursday, stating that the "Palm PC" designation will cause too much confusion among consumers .. a Microsoft spokesperson said.
.. :)
"We don't see how the name Palm PC conflicts with the name PalmPilot."'
Yea, who would confuse Lindows with Windows
Does this mean that everyone in the European Union is a potential opponent of the USA, moms apple pie and all things goodness and niceness. If so, whatever would turn them against the worlds greatest democracy. I mean it's the place everyone wants to go to, isn't it, apart from me that is .. :)
"I've been critical of the US on Internet forums; is this going to give me hassle getting in when I visit next month?"
.. If he didn't say it, he thought it .. :)
Yes, and you'll be less likely to criticize the government the next time, which I suspect is the chief purpose of such legislation. You see, without the ever present specter of communism to protect up from, the US needed something else to scare us with. Step forward Al-Qaeda and the IslamoFascist bogyman.
"A watched population is a compliant one", Adam Suttler
I ain't a EU citizen, I'm a resident of the United Kingdom and a loyal subject of her Mag, don't need anyone monitoring me for subversive activity. I can remember when they told us the EEC was about a Common economic Market and was never about some United States of Europe. But I guess that was another heap of baloney, like the promise that they'll protect out privacy. Remember these are the same people that bugged the UN, or are we supposed to not remember that.
"The Times does not say that the EU is going to hand over private information to US authorities"
.. to obtain private information -- like credit card transactions, travel histories and Internet browsing habits -- about people on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean."
My understanding of it is: that the US is going to monitor all activity on it's residents and will hand such information over to the US, without warrant or evidence of criminal or 'terrorist' activity. And we can't even sue you guys if you lose the data. Given the lack of controls over governmental abuse in your country, shouldn't we be monitoring you. And just because you guys want to turn this place into the front line against 'terrorism' doesn't necessarily mean that we want to go along with it. The text of the article:
"The United States and the European Union are nearing completion of an agreement
"the two sides are still at odds on several other matters, including whether European citizens should be able to sue the United States government over its handling of their personal data, the report said"
'the two sides have agreed that information that reveals race, religion, political opinion, health or "sexual life" may not be used by a government "unless domestic law provides appropriate safeguards."'
"the compromised PINs seem to have been used at ATMs in 7-Eleven stores"
The PINs were stolen "in an attack on a server that processes transactions from Citi-branded ATMs at 7-Eleven"
"Citibank is regularly the target of hackers/phishers"
..
Except in this case the servers got hacked
"a hacker managed to steal customer-account numbers and PIN codes, in an attack on a server that processes transactions from Citi-branded ATMs"
"Which had used older technology which was compromised. It was a network inside 7-11s which isnt know as a bastion of integrity"
What was the name of the 3rd party and do you have citations to any first hand reports as to exactly how the hack was achieved?
"I've had to .. futz around with the clunky command-line tools .. on every supercomputer I've used"
.. That's the progress that I think needs to happen on the supercomputer user interface side of things"
.. :)
What supercomputers have you used and in what context? Personally I have found some kind of a scripting language de rigueur for serious computing. What alternative do you recommend? For example how about:
"Click here to extract a q-analogue of your hypergeometric orthogonal polynomial set"
I mean if you don't know what that means, then what difference does it make whether you use a script or a bunch of click boxes?
"Nowadays even my grandmother could install Ubuntu
I doubt if my Grandmother would need a supercomputer to play solitare. She still thinks FM radio is voodoo, where are the clicks and the hiss
How did Novell and IBM manage it on Blue Gene ..
"Linux has dominated the marketplace for high-performance computing,"
Mark Seager, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif
"Microsoft is trying to tackle: accessible supercomputing"
..
.. are accessible to people interested in pursuing science, simulation or modeling"
.. :)
Assuming MS was responding to this imagioned problem
"The contest showed that supercomputers
"but the learning curve for getting something running on these machines is pretty intimidating, especially for non-CS based disciplines. I've had to take a 1-2 day class, plus futz around"
You actually programed a supercomouter - cool. What type and where exactly? How does HPC Server differ in respect to other solutions?
"the Blue Gene family of supercomputers has been designed to deliver ultrascale performance within a standard programming environment"
"Hopefully Microsoft can spur the industry in this direction"
You mean like continually inventing Apple, badly
"please let them at least try to develop a decent OS"
Microsoft was never concerned with making a decent OS, what they were always about was shuffling the APIs and file formats so as to sabatage their partners/competitors. They still haven't even tackled the virus/spam/phishing epidemic. See that's isn't a priority.
"If the government gets involved with Windows development"
What do you mean if, I figure the current backdoor is a little better hidden. It would be interesting running Wireshark on a Windows network and seeing where it's sending packets. At least before they make it illegal.
"It doesn't really matter what APIs exist or don't exist - so long as a business can achieve a better bottom line by using Microsoft"
It does indeed matter that Gates sabataged the APIs so as to get a competitivew advantage against the independent software developers. It only doesn't matter if you posess all the ethics of a sewer rat. It's a moot point whether business save money by using MS software. On average one fifth of their revenue.
"A business does not have an obligation to support competitors. In fact, you want to beat your competitors and win in the marketplace"
As is patently obvious the Windows monoculture isn't a market place. The OS functions so as to funnel off revenue from the rest of the economy. In effect any business that uses Windows is a client subsidiary of the MIcrosoft organization. It not as if they wan't to do business with MS, they have no choice.
"Netscape gave Microsoft the browser market because Communicator was a steaming pile of dog shit compared to IE4 and IE5"
.. Clone their client technology early and often (full embrace strategy)"
.. explicit sabotaging of any protocol extensions we make"
.. while infesting all other computing devices with it's programming language"
.. But Sun don't get invited to the party .. :)
.. er partners. Is there a differece .. :)
"I think we should have to do even more cloning of Netscape
"In worst case scenario, Netscape will
"Java didn't take off because Sun didn't focus anywhere near enough effort early on into getting a fast interpreter"
"it becomes clear to me that the Java OS will try to conquer the embedded marketplace
"We also talked about slowing down and coordinating modifications to the Java language - I proposed a "Java Language Council" made up of key tools vendors - MS, Borland, Symantec"
"With Windows Vista, the DOJ should have laid off. It was a total debacle for Microsoft and signaled that they are in decline"
The DOJ never did squat to reign in Microsoft. Vista isn't a problem for Microsoft as they have decided their key strategy is getting control of the Internet, through litigation threats and re-innovating the protocols. Billy boy is always ten steps ahead his partners
"If there is anyone who merits a look for anti-competitive, restrictive behavior it's Apple"
How many times has Apple been in court as often as Microsoft and for doing the same things.
Where on the high street can someone walk in and buy a Linux desktop. What's preventing the OEMs doing that. A retorical question that we all know the answer to .. :)
Linux is being used in consumer items, it's just that it isn't visible. The PC industry is effectily a Microsoft run monopoly. The hardware manufacturers would be better expanding into the embedded market. That's if Sir William will even let them .. :)
"the failure to answer Windows in the marketplace"
"1. CP/M, ultimately crushed by DOS"
.... my proposal is to have bambi refuse to run on this alien OS, comments? "
No they crushed DR-DOS by ultimatly putting fake error messages in Windows 3.1, witholding technical information and intimidating DRIs own customers.
"Bradsi asked us to come up with a better message for when the MS-DOS detection doesn't find MS-DOS"
"hey, hey, hey
"DR-DOS. I doubt they will be able to clone Windows. It is very difficult to do technically. we have made it a moving target"
"DRI is agressing big time, in our accounts"
"After Debbie and I made clear to Sears DR-DOS and Windows compatibility would always be a major issue"
It was Columbia Data Products that suceeded first. MS owes its sucess to three fortutious events. Getting hold of 86-DOS, IBM not buying DOS outright and cheap third party clones of the IBM PC. It's ironic that they didn't pay the $50,000 until they got the first deal from IBM. So IBM even financed the deal that would ultimitly see them lose control of the IBM PC market.