I don't have to produce a solution, I don't advertise myself as some kind of research guru. What have the various research departments being doing for the past decade, while they've been about innovating Web 2 and integrated INNOVA~1. I do know given their research funds and I could come up with a better solution than CAPTCHAs.
"Please bear in mind "The system does not do X and Y" is not generally the form a real solution takes"
The system does x and Y and doesn't do everything else, is a form of enumerating goodness, as Marcus Ranum said enumerating badness is a dumb idea, as I've previously quoted on a number of occasions here.
What have all the supreme innovators being doing the past decade. Why is this still happening in late 2008. The solution being to design an email transport system that is immune to spam/phishing and doesn't rely on CAPTCHAs to authenticate endusers. Don't bother telling me how *you* can't figure out how to do it.
"Most large shops have a script or utility to change all the root/administrative passwords across the board in a single operation.. Odds on the guy just used that same script/utility to change the passwords"
What evidence do you, SaDan, Crayon Kid or guruevi have to support that speculative scenario ?
"So you get root, great. What about all the security built into the application", SaDan
"Can we stop with stupidity such as this? A well designed system will NOT be as easy to break in such as this" Crayon Kid
Can we stop with the speculation, what specific information do y'all have as to this specific installation. That a single individual could lock out a whole department beggers belief. What would have happened for instance, if he got run over by a bus or someone threw him off the roof?
"if somebody gains physical access to the server and unplugs it, boots it up with another disk, they still can't get to the directory since they're in an encrypted filevault"
Sounds like you should be working for our Government who are in the habit of posting unencrypted files through the post and losing laptops on the train. What do you do for backups/restore, if the master keys are lost or become corrupt.
Intel chips open to hacks , four minutes to own a Windows machines connected to the Internet, the DNS system wide open to exploits, spam/viruses and phishing running rampant. Like what have these innovators being doing for the past decade.
"the department has yet to regain admin access on their own"
This is obviously a joke, isn't it. I mean any competent techie with physical access can got root in about ten minutes. What *are* they teaching them in tech-school nowadays.. ?
"This circuit uses the 'scratch' as a guide or a switching path for information - like when trains are switched from one track to another - except this switch takes only one picosecond to change tracks. This means that in one second the switch is turning on and off about one million times. We are talking about photonic technology that has terabit per second capacity"
"I like Yahoo, it has a huge user base and a slick content delivery system.. most user friendly portal"
MS doesn't want a huge piece of paid-search but only wants Yahoo for it's online portal? I don't think so. Didn't AOL (who?) try and fail that walled garden approach. Play Chess here without having to download bloatware.
"In July 2001, the US patent office granted Overture US patent number 6,269,361. Also known as the '361 patent, it covered the basic paid-search bid-for-placement advertising model"
"In July 2003 Yahoo acquired Overture in a mostly stock deal valued at $1.63 billion"
"The peculiar thing about Microsoft Yahoo negotiations is Microsoft's insistence on owning/co-owning Yahoo's paid-search assets"
"Microsoft believes that by being clever about the deal terms Microsoft can practically get Yahoo's big fish patent licensee to fully reimburse Microsoft for whatever Microsoft pays for Yahoo's paid search assets"
"So, who is Yahoo's big fish patent licensee.. By simple elimination it has to be Google"
--
So basically Microsoft gets Google to finance the Yahoo takeover and then gets Google to pay MS revenue out of its (GOOG) own paid search business.. PURR of EVIL...:)
"The first disagreement I wish to address concerns the statement "BSD projects are free, but GPL projects stay free".. SNIP..
Personally I don't have a philosophical position on either the BSD or GPL license. I do know that in order to use the code, you have to abide by the license. The rest is is just so much verbal back scatter. If some people have linguistic problems understanding it, then I respectivly suggest reading the license(s).
"I moved into my current position fresh out of university and.. I enjoy my work and the opportunities that go with it"
You really enjoy being chained to a desk and having to ask permission to take a leak? Like, the only reason they hire fresh out of Uni is you're the only people that will put up with the such BS.
Don't delude yourself about the opportunities. Have you noticed that no one in top management has any real experience of IT. They're all hired in from outside. The only opportunities you are going to see is being down-sized in the next clean sweep. Look around you, how many of those people were there ten months ago, how many will be there in another ten months.
Now lets all pause, go up stairs and have a meeting where no one is allowed to speak and the PHB reads out of a magazine..:)
kdawson says: insert free advert for Call Centers here
So basically they're out-outsourcing the call center operations to eastern Europe and IT operations to the US and Malaysia..
"Deutsche Post World Net expects to save at least 1 billion euros over the next seven years by driving down overall IT costs"
The only way of doing that is having half the people doing twice the work for three times the return. If it runs like any other IT place I've ever worked for, expect a huge turn over in staff, burn out in ten months, unless you learned to talk management speak in the mean time. Like, "driving down overall IT costs and "leveraging IT resources", which excites senior management almost as much as p0rn..:)
"The fact that someone is actually attempting to pass this off as a real news story, or the fact that some people here on/. are accepting it as a real news story"
Isn't this the same politically conservative Washington Times that's owned by the Moonies?
How many people here get that reference? Valis a prime example that you shouldn't write while you're out of your mind on drugs. Reading the PKD Reader in one sitting is a truly disturbing experience..
"Fortun'e take on this is interesting.. They're competing with Google's business model"
Insert free advert for Live Search..:)
"This strikes me as very similar to some of the criticisms I hear on Microsoft: they don't innovate in technology - they innovate in business model"
This is new to me, that Ms 'innovate in business model', if by innovate you mean lean on the the OEMs to keep other companies technology off their Desktop, then I can acquiesce to that. Do you have any other examples of Microsoft innovating in business models.
"It's intersting to see the mainsteam media starting to catch onto Google as business innnovator but not a technology innovator"
It's news to me that the mainstream media doesn't think Google is a technology innovator, Is that the current subliminal meme of the day..:)
"this innovation is more similar to enterprise software...the old boring on-premise stuff that Google likes to trash"
What innovation does Google like to trash, give examples and specific quotes?
When was the first contact between Icahn and Microsoft regarding the yahoo takeover bid?
Exactly when did Icahn start buying yahoo shares?
Who complained to the justice department over the yahoo/google deal?
Who approached in relation to the MS/Yahoo takeover bid?
What exactly is the quid pro quo in Icahn helping out Microsoft on the acquisition?
"I do believe the following -- that this company, yahoo!, is a very strategic and important acquisition for microsoft"
"The only way, you know, that microsoft can compete in the long run with google is to have yahoo!"
"once you've don an alternative deal and given the search to Microsoft, you don't need Microsoft to buy you anymore"
"How closely are you in communication, carl, with microsoft's management?"
"Well, you know, I really -- I wouldn't say closely and I wouldn't want to talk about it anyway, you know?.. Certainly. I do talk to them, you know, occasionally and maybe more than occasionally on the yahoo! Side"
Isn't that stuff radioactive, curious as to how it took them till July 2008 to find it. And lets not mention the DU (Depleted Uranium) that was rained down on the country by its liberators. And the US and it's best buddy EnglandLand was supplying arms related technology to Iraq, right up to the invasion of Kuwait. That included nuclear detonators supplied by Matrix Churchill.
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A sign of the times, desperation at Redmond .. ?
"And your solution is...?"
.. :)
I don't have to produce a solution, I don't advertise myself as some kind of research guru. What have the various research departments being doing for the past decade, while they've been about innovating Web 2 and integrated INNOVA~1. I do know given their research funds and I could come up with a better solution than CAPTCHAs.
"Please bear in mind "The system does not do X and Y" is not generally the form a real solution takes"
The system does x and Y and doesn't do everything else, is a form of enumerating goodness, as Marcus Ranum said enumerating badness is a dumb idea, as I've previously quoted on a number of occasions here.
I did say don't tell me how not to do it
What have all the supreme innovators being doing the past decade. Why is this still happening in late 2008. The solution being to design an email transport system that is immune to spam/phishing and doesn't rely on CAPTCHAs to authenticate endusers. Don't bother telling me how *you* can't figure out how to do it.
"Most large shops have a script or utility to change all the root/administrative passwords across the board in a single operation .. Odds on the guy just used that same script/utility to change the passwords"
What evidence do you, SaDan, Crayon Kid or guruevi have to support that speculative scenario ?
"So you get root, great. What about all the security built into the application", SaDan
"Can we stop with stupidity such as this? A well designed system will NOT be as easy to break in such as this" Crayon Kid
Can we stop with the speculation, what specific information do y'all have as to this specific installation. That a single individual could lock out a whole department beggers belief. What would have happened for instance, if he got run over by a bus or someone threw him off the roof?
"if somebody gains physical access to the server and unplugs it, boots it up with another disk, they still can't get to the directory since they're in an encrypted filevault"
Sounds like you should be working for our Government who are in the habit of posting unencrypted files through the post and losing laptops on the train. What do you do for backups/restore, if the master keys are lost or become corrupt.
"i've been asking questions on the ubuntu forums"
Why not directly contact the developers?
To try MPX you have to
* Download
* configure the X Server and
* start MPX
Intel chips open to hacks , four minutes to own a Windows machines connected to the Internet, the DNS system wide open to exploits, spam/viruses and phishing running rampant. Like what have these innovators being doing for the past decade.
'This is like deja vu all over again, Yogi'
"the department has yet to regain admin access on their own"
.. ?
This is obviously a joke, isn't it. I mean any competent techie with physical access can got root in about ten minutes. What *are* they teaching them in tech-school nowadays
"yeah. that's what i want. is that part of linux yet?"
..
Well yea, at least since July 13 2006
This video from Sep 2006 appears to have multiple cursors ..
> Why would I play chess at flyordie.com when I can play thousands of good players on yahoo.com, almost faster than I can log-in?
Playsite.com had the best cross browser, Java applet chess game, they seem to have dropped it recently.
"Yahoo! Chess requires Flash Player 7 or later and JavaScript enabled in your browser"
http://games.yahoo.com/play/ch&ss=1
In the case of the BT Voyager it's because the upstream router forgets the allocated IP address and the downstream router has to request a new one ..
"This circuit uses the 'scratch' as a guide or a switching path for information - like when trains are switched from one track to another - except this switch takes only one picosecond to change tracks. This means that in one second the switch is turning on and off about one million times. We are talking about photonic technology that has terabit per second capacity"
A picosecond is one trillionth (10 -12 ) of a second, or one millionth of a microsecond.
"I like Yahoo, it has a huge user base and a slick content delivery system .. most user friendly portal"
MS doesn't want a huge piece of paid-search but only wants Yahoo for it's online portal? I don't think so. Didn't AOL (who?) try and fail that walled garden approach. Play Chess here without having to download bloatware.
"In July 2001, the US patent office granted Overture US patent number 6,269,361. Also known as the '361 patent, it covered the basic paid-search bid-for-placement advertising model"
.. By simple elimination it has to be Google "
... :)
"In July 2003 Yahoo acquired Overture in a mostly stock deal valued at $1.63 billion"
"The peculiar thing about Microsoft Yahoo negotiations is Microsoft's insistence on owning/co-owning Yahoo's paid-search assets "
"Microsoft believes that by being clever about the deal terms Microsoft can practically get Yahoo's big fish patent licensee to fully reimburse Microsoft for whatever Microsoft pays for Yahoo's paid search assets"
"So, who is Yahoo's big fish patent licensee
--
So basically Microsoft gets Google to finance the Yahoo takeover and then gets Google to pay MS revenue out of its (GOOG) own paid search business.. PURR of EVIL
"The first disagreement I wish to address concerns the statement "BSD projects are free, but GPL projects stay free" .. SNIP ..
Personally I don't have a philosophical position on either the BSD or GPL license. I do know that in order to use the code, you have to abide by the license. The rest is is just so much verbal back scatter. If some people have linguistic problems understanding it, then I respectivly suggest reading the license(s).
"I moved into my current position fresh out of university and .. I enjoy my work and the opportunities that go with it"
.. :)
You really enjoy being chained to a desk and having to ask permission to take a leak? Like, the only reason they hire fresh out of Uni is you're the only people that will put up with the such BS.
Don't delude yourself about the opportunities. Have you noticed that no one in top management has any real experience of IT. They're all hired in from outside. The only opportunities you are going to see is being down-sized in the next clean sweep. Look around you, how many of those people were there ten months ago, how many will be there in another ten months.
Now lets all pause, go up stairs and have a meeting where no one is allowed to speak and the PHB reads out of a magazine
kdawson says: insert free advert for Call Centers here
So basically they're out-outsourcing the call center operations to eastern Europe and IT operations to the US and Malaysia ..
.. :)
"Deutsche Post World Net expects to save at least 1 billion euros over the next seven years by driving down overall IT costs"
The only way of doing that is having half the people doing twice the work for three times the return. If it runs like any other IT place I've ever worked for, expect a huge turn over in staff, burn out in ten months, unless you learned to talk management speak in the mean time. Like, "driving down overall IT costs and "leveraging IT resources", which excites senior management almost as much as p0rn
"The fact that someone is actually attempting to pass this off as a real news story, or the fact that some people here on /. are accepting it as a real news story"
Isn't this the same politically conservative Washington Times that's owned by the Moonies?
Didn't this used to be the plot of a Van Damme movie, only his one actually exploded. What happens if there's a bug in the software .. :)
How many people here get that reference? Valis a prime example that you shouldn't write while you're out of your mind on drugs. Reading the PKD Reader in one sitting is a truly disturbing experience ..
How is this going to protect us from Al-Qaeda again Oh, it's not, it's designed to protect them from their own people.
"Fortun'e take on this is interesting .. They're competing with Google's business model"
.. :)
.. :)
Insert free advert for Live Search
"This strikes me as very similar to some of the criticisms I hear on Microsoft: they don't innovate in technology - they innovate in business model"
This is new to me, that Ms 'innovate in business model', if by innovate you mean lean on the the OEMs to keep other companies technology off their Desktop, then I can acquiesce to that. Do you have any other examples of Microsoft innovating in business models.
"It's intersting to see the mainsteam media starting to catch onto Google as business innnovator but not a technology innovator"
It's news to me that the mainstream media doesn't think Google is a technology innovator, Is that the current subliminal meme of the day
"this innovation is more similar to enterprise software...the old boring on-premise stuff that Google likes to trash"
What innovation does Google like to trash, give examples and specific quotes?
When was the first contact between Icahn and Microsoft regarding the yahoo takeover bid?
.. Certainly. I do talk to them, you know, occasionally and maybe more than occasionally on the yahoo! Side"
Exactly when did Icahn start buying yahoo shares?
Who complained to the justice department over the yahoo/google deal?
Who approached in relation to the MS/Yahoo takeover bid?
What exactly is the quid pro quo in Icahn helping out Microsoft on the acquisition?
"I do believe the following -- that this company, yahoo!, is a very strategic and important acquisition for microsoft"
"The only way, you know, that microsoft can compete in the long run with google is to have yahoo!"
"once you've don an alternative deal and given the search to Microsoft, you don't need Microsoft to buy you anymore"
"How closely are you in communication, carl, with microsoft's management?"
"Well, you know, I really -- I wouldn't say closely and I wouldn't want to talk about it anyway, you know?
Isn't that stuff radioactive, curious as to how it took them till July 2008 to find it. And lets not mention the DU (Depleted Uranium) that was rained down on the country by its liberators. And the US and it's best buddy EnglandLand was supplying arms related technology to Iraq, right up to the invasion of Kuwait. That included nuclear detonators supplied by Matrix Churchill.
PROTHERO
Do you believe this crap, Dascombe?
DASCOMBE
It's not our job to believe it,
Lewis. Our job is to tell the people --