'm surprised that it was a Montana city that did this, last I heard, there was a simmering anti-government sentiment there, I know a few people that lived in Bozeman, MT.
No, the right wing nutters hate government that could possibly help somebody. They *love* big government when it's designed to hurt people, or if it's spending us into poverty to blow up brown people.
It's easy to get confused by their rhetoric, but just look at the last 3 Republican presidents. Record debts for the 2 2 termers and the one termer was that because he got stuck with the bill for Reagan and had to raise taxes to pay it. Paying our debts is "bad government" hence Bush I getting thrown out. Massive spending of money borrowed from China is "good government", "small government" and "fiscal responsibility". It's no wonder they had to get the religious loons on their side with the rest of their hurt people legislation. Those lunatics already believe in far out insanity, so nothing is too ridiculous for them to believe as long as it comes with a heaping helping of hatred.
Publishing is the first step in peer review, not the final end all.
Now I could be wrong (seriously, I really don't know all that much about this), but I thought that "respectable" journals had peers to whom they send articles for review prior to publishing? So after publishing, certainly more peers get a chance to look over the results and the process continues. But assuming that I'm correct, wouldn't that make submitting or maybe the assignment of the reviewers the first step?
The shah being a brutal fascist thug and a puppet of America is what discredited him and paved the way for the Ayatollah. It was us toppling their government and installing that scumbag in the first place that caused the reaction that led to the current theocracy in Iran.
I figured that you would be able to bring up some reasonable arguments aginst mine- but you didn't
LOL. You never came up with an argument you dumb fuck. You merely played a "moving the goalposts" asshattery and then made up this feeble bit of bullshit long after you were destroyed intellectually. Seriously, Douche, You have yet to present an actual point. You lose. Hard.
Good luck with your life, I wish you only the best, even if your path differs from mine.
I don't suffer from your disease of deeply cowardly dishonesty, so I will gleefully wish you the death in a fire you've earned.
Our paths are in the same plane. Your goal is to make people fail to see reality in order to follow your made up bullshit fairy tales which you're too goddamned dumb to even understand. Fuck you you evil scumbag for hating basic common sense and basic human decency so much.
Grow up, stop promoting unmitigated evil and ignorance. Only then will you be worthy of my good wishes as I've already far exceeded your best efforts.
Now please don't even pretend that you got out of this discussion looking like anything but an evil fucker. Your cowardly refusal to address even a single point I raised and your final, cowardly run for the border here is just typical of your breed of scum. If you can't get to a dumb little kid, you run like a bitch. Lots of good people are sick to fucking death of watching you evil, cowardly nazi fucks rape little kid's brains. I pity you that you thought I might be as dumb as you as to still believe in fairy tales, but I don't forgive your evil, cowardly desire to push it on the weak and the stupid. I'd pity you for that need...if you weren't preying on the bottom of the fucking barrel since they're the only ones dumber than you.
You mean like every sane person whose brain has been allowed to develop? It's called being sane. You might consider looking into it. If you're whining like that over what I said here though? Odds are that your parents raped your brain so hard as an infant that you will never be capable of it.
Someone also referred to black people using the worst slur imaginable for them.
Let me guess, you're basically the nazi sort,so you just run with political correctness. If you were a sane person, you would have easily picked up on the basic, obvious fact that "slaves" were not considered "people" by the people , in the time, we were discussing.. 3/5th is actually the percentage of a person which the constitution declared them to be. So, yes, that was the term used by those people.
Wait, you're one of those Zionist/Nazi fucks aren't you? Whining like a little bitch when you have no point. While living on land you stole while expecting my taxes to pay for your cowardice, thieving, and general fascist, racist scumbaggery. Yep, I remember you. Always pissing in the face of everything America once stood for while demanding that we defend your Nazi atrocities. Fuck you hard, you Zionist Nazi bitch. I hope you die in a really hot fire before you cause more unrest stealing people's land and demanding that I pay to defend your sick evil Nazi ass. Sorry, fuck Israel, and fuck Nazis. Same damn thing these days.
It doesn't even matter if a fair counting of every vote cast does indicate a win for Ahmadinejad; the blatant fraud, police brutality, and the arresting of the opposition has ruined the people's trust in government. I truly hope that Iran doesn't descend into civil war.
I hope it does descend into a civil war. It would demonstrate them to be better people than the Americans who refused to do so when it happened to them and it would demonstrate them to be better people than their parents were when America did it to them.
You make civil war sound like a bad thing. When your government rapes its citizens and pisses in the face of its founding principles, then civil war is a good thing. Americans have a bad view of it because ours was nothing but nigger hating nazis who thought being dumb as fuck while white was somehow a positive and they have enough political power now to shove their douchebaggery into everything.
Yes, murder off all the dumb evil amoral fuckers. It is a far more civil event than letting those evil fuckers keep uncivilizing the society. I propose a $100 bounty on the head of every mullah. 10 times that for every American preacher. That, my friends, is solidarity.
You will never have a free society as long as a single one of those evil magical fairy fuckers is allowed to live.
And yet you zero in on my english skills and not my points, that was your accusation remember? Kudos.
LOLing at the nitwit. No, I addressed your lack of any actual points in favor of random hand waving and such you ignorant little douche.
I offered the information about the Gnostics to your post...address that. They dealt with the dichotomy you disparage, yet you still wont address it.
No, you mentioned the Gnostics as if they were somehow both an address of arguments against the Christian god while ignoring their (at least attempted) extermination *by* the Christians *specifically* because of how their views contradicted the Christian nonsense. You failed both to make a point then and now to demonstrate how your later feeble attempt at randomly bringing them up explains how the Christian extermination campaign against their view somehow justifies your position. This ain't Faux news. O'Liely ain't sitting here cutting off my mic while I destroy your feeble attempt at randomly mentioning things in your hope that the audience is too damn stupid to get basic logic.
And public ridicule for belief is better somehow? "Witch BURN HER!" is now "Believer! CHILD ABUSER,MORON" is really better?
Not sure what you're on about now... I'd have to say that, yes, being called silly for believing stupid things which a few hours of research could demonstrate as absolutely false is far better *in every way* than being put to death for not believing stupid things which a few hours of research could demonstrate as absolutely false.
Yes, the organization you're defending which only got traction by murdering anybody who disagrees with them is bad. Laughing in the face of that evil bullshit is good. I'm very happy that I can laugh in the face of evil idiotic fucks like yourself because you're too weak willed and cowardly to think. A lot of very smart, very good people were tortured and murdered by sickeningly, cowardly fucks like yourself for having the honesty, integrity, and courage to do just that.
So, while I might see the humor in seeing all you dumb evil monsters put to your own tests and thereby scorched off the face of the earth with fire, I know that I'm a better person than you are or than any Christian that's ever lived or will ever live has a prayer of being.
I'm a decent person because I understand that that is the right thing to do. If you're religious, you will necessarily never be able to make that connection. It's sad, it's pathetic. and it's far beneath me.
You are arguing that because Ubuntu comes with a bunch of software- that it is not reasonable to compare any other aspect of it to another operating system?
Wow, it's truly amazing the level of rank stupidity you see around these days. Nothing about "other aspects" you lying, whiny little bitch. It was a very specific aspect which *you* **chose** to compare. I proved you dead fucking wrong. Grow up, be a man.. not the whiny little bitch you present yourself as and get on with your life.
We are arguing about operating systems here- not about apps.
No, *you* chose to make an obviously false claim. I proved you wrong. You then started whining and lying. That's what happened. It's a public forum. Everyone can look at this thread. You're not looking clever by lying.
*You*, shithead, made the claim. I proved you to be full of shit. Now you're making up some unrealistic, totally biased, furniture store "analogy" and trying to retroactively claim it's related to what you previously claimed?!?
Seriously, act like an adult, act like a man, act like you even understand the basics of an ethical system.
You're wrong. That is a personal failure. You were not good enough at thinking to engage in this conversation. I'm sorry your parents were such utter abject failures at their jobs as parents such that they didn't bother taking the time to teach you about thinking, but they failed, and they set you up to be a complete fucking failure. Well, the world needs ditch diggers too, I suppose.
"Nobody has ever adequately addressed the problem of evil. Not even close." Yeah, many have, in different ways. Epicurus? Really? The Gnostics are one group. There are others. And yes, there were Gnostics at that time. You obviously are not as read as you thing you are.
And yet you, like everyone before you, has utterly failed to address that issue. If you think it's been logically addressed then you're wrong. Sad but true. You do understand that for most of the history of monotheism questioning it was death, right? The arguments have been solid from day one. Just not everyone was willing to die for it. Hell, that's why Thomas Aquinas is anything but a laughingstock. His arguments were destroyed long before he was even born.
You obviously are not as read as you thing you are.
Better than you, certainly. Plus I can still communicate in complete sentences. Would I pronounce "read" there as "reed" or "red" and what (TF) would it mean in either case?!? I'll assume you meant "think", but when you're talking smack about how well read someone is I'd expect you'd take a glance at what you wrote before just embarrassing yourself. But then again, unlike you, I don't like to look like an idiot.
You've certainly made your point here, but I doubt you even now understand what that point is.
Religious? Religion has nothing to do with it. It is science fact my friend. I am not religious at all in the slightest.
Huh?!?
OK, let's try an experiment. Grab an egg out of a chick, throw it on the ground an I'll jizz on it. We'll come back in 9 months and find a baby sitting there.
Guess what? It ain't going to happen.
So, yes, you're either religious about it or really fucking stupid.
From what I understand, Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth in Germany at a time when that was required of all young Germans, and was an "unenthusiastic" member;
Well, I'd expect a bit more out of a moral authority. I'm sorry you don't actually understand the idea of a basic moral standard, let alone an exceptional one all in the world should follow. He basically went with the flow. Much like the Catholic Church did. They signed on to help Hitler. "willing" "unwilling" Those are meaningless distinctions when we're discussing an organization that claims for itself ultimate moral authority. The Catholic Church was an active participant in the holocaust. That's a fact. If it was through fear of what a human could do to the individual members, then...well..*obviously* **nobody** with any authority in that sick organization believed a word of their idiotic nonsense. Think it through. They were protecting their own power. End of discussion on that topic. You have utterly lost. When you bank on an invisible fairy man, you lose. That's reality.
On the other hand, yes, the Church's sexual abuse scandals are despicable, and something you'd think they'd take into account when considering celibacy requirements for priests.
So, they're "despicable", yet the primary agent behind the coverups is A OK in your book. And then you try to shunt it off to your red herring "celibacy" bullshit. That was Rat Fuck's primary role. That's why he's the fucking pope. He kept the shit under wraps and the money in house.
The difference between you and me is that you seem to think every single Catholic clergyman either was molesting boys, or at least knew about it and did nothing or covered it up; whereas I think that while there was a sickening amount of sexual abuse in the Church, as well as practices that had the effect of perpetuating and defending it, there were and are also some decent people in the Church
No, unlike you, I actually pay attention and understand that the official policy of the church was to lie, actively block investigations of child rape, to move child rapist "holy men" around countries to avoid laws against the physical insertion of the adult male penis into the assholes of little fucking kids you sick fucker. They actively fought court cases they *knew* they were on the wrong end of. Why? They wanted to keep the wealth they *looted* from the fucking world over their existence.
Seriously, you sick, demented little fucker. Pull your head out of your ass and pay attention to reality. It was the 1900s in which the church *finally* decided that torturing people to death for noticing that their idiotic lies are obviously nonsense and having the courage to exercise their basic human right to talk sense should no longer be *official church policy*
The opponents of the church have always been the good guys,almost always been deeply moral, ethical people who were willing to deal with the atrocities the church *invented*. Until you've read their torture manuals don't even bother responding. Your far off into nutjob land if you're defending shit you're too cowardly too look at square in the face.
Like most things, it's a mixed bag.
See the problem which you're failing to notice is that it's a bag of *really* fucking evil mixed with a lot of *really* fucking stupid and/or deluded.
There's nothing else there at all. Otherwise, they'd ditch the stupid dogma and the purely evil "moral" bullshit which never does anything but keep the poor poor an women slaves to biology.
For example, did you know that John Paul II campaigned for restrictions on intellectual property in order to facilitate access to medicines? His envoys to the WTO consistently sought to temper TRIPS provisions with this in mind. That's hardly the sort of behavior I'd expect from a man dedicated to keeping the lives of the poor miserable.
I know that JP2 was a huge leap forward for the church, and while he failed to address the important issues, he did make enoug
And here is a Hot Tip for *YOU* Sparky. The vast majority of your rant has been hashed over by the greatest minds that have ever existed, you obviously have never read any of them.
I've read a lot of them. The fact the delusional religious nutters keep spewing the same bullshit in spite of it having already been thoroughly refuted is a deep flaw in their characters. An oft repeated lie becomes truth if there isn't somebody there to keep repeating the truth.
Yeah, this was addressed many times by many authors
Right, and they've all utterly failed even to address Epicurus who laid it out solidly. Nobody has ever adequately addressed the problem of evil. Not even close. That was far before the dates you made up, so you might want to try to gain even a basic understanding of the issue before embarrassing yourself further.
You might consider not getting so drunk before posting on the internet next time. Your failures at grammar and spelling are easy enough to gloss over, but your complete failure at anything even approximating a valid point make you look really pathetic.
First of all, I'm not making fun of you, nor did I say your position was wrong
I'm not sure where that came from. I'm not aware of anything I said that would have made you think that I thought you were making fun of me...I mean, you're the one defending believing in the tooth fairy, and that would be hilarious if so many evil people weren't using that idiocy to push evil agendas.
I simply said that I believe differently and explained my reasoning.
Well, point of fact: You didn't explain your "reasoning" you merely repeated "Pascal's wager" which is a thoroughly refuted bit of nonsense. There's no reasoning there, let alone an explanation thereof.
And I did not curse at you
I didn't curse at you either. I dropped a couple "swear words" in their legitimate role in conversation, but none of them were directed at you. ?Not sure where the problem is there, unless you just generally enjoy finding offense in totally non offensive things like the arrangement of characters. Of course, that's almost certainly just more delusional brainwashing. What, you have a problem with certain legitimate words now? LOL
As far as the evidence goes, He did send His Son, 2000 years ago, who had 12 disciples, 11 of whom died a martyr's death for what they believed (how many people do you know that would die for something they knew was a lie?). Their testimony and the testimony of others like them are what have created Christianity as we know it today withstanding the test of time.
OK, you need to back all the way up.
I asked for evidence., You did nothing but repeat the basic tenets of your faith which I am already well aware of and quite clearly know *far* more about than you do. Where is the evidence for this son of god of which you speak? Where is the evidence for these disciples? The historical record has no mention of them. Hot tip, the "canonical gospels" aren't eye witness accounts. They don't even try to be. Seriously, you might consider actually reading them. They certainly weren't written by anybody alive at the time the supposed events happened. No historian alive at the time mentions anything out of the ordinary occurring. Given that the bible claims earthquakes, various unique events and *a zombie invasion*, none of which show up anywhere in the actual historical record, it's quite obvious that the biblical claims are nothing but fairy tales.
Seriously, there is more evidence for the tooth fairy than there is for Jesus or his disciples ever having existed as normal boring people, let alone the crazy magical nonsense. Look it up.
And whether you believe the Bible is false or not, I believe it is God's Word.
I know that you believe idiotic nonsense which is contradicted by every available fact. Your sincerity in your delusion is not at all in any way the question. My question isn't whether or not you have chosen to believe nonsense that is known to be false. Obviously you do. My question is why are you able to filter out the tooth fairy, but not this stupid nonsense? I mean apart from the whole there probably never was a Jesus thing which is quite clear, look at the whole Exodus nonsense. There were no Hebrews in Egypt at the time the pyramids were being built. In fact there were no Hebrews in the entire world because that tribe hadn't even formed at that time and therefore their god didn't even exist yet. Jehova, the polytheistic Hebrew wind god hadn't even been invented, let alone his promotion from part of a pantheon to the whole monotheistic "one true god" nonsense. Seriously, this is all part of the historical record. An iron age tribe made up a fairy tale story that sets their origin in the bronze age because they were so far into the iron age before they even existed as a people as to make their whole story an anachronism. Whoever wrote it (you certainly don't know whatever you might think) did not even know that iron hadn't been invented in the age they chose to set their fairy tale.
You're saying that because it has a bunch of shit installed on it- that negates its ability to properly detect hardware? Good logic.
No, I said that your comparison based on completeness is laughable. Bad reading comprehension skills.
As far as the long edition, you still fail. Tons more software comes with a desktop version of Ubuntu as well. Windows will never stand up to a comparison based on completeness. Your pulled straight from your ass nonsensical percentages are meaningless as well.
You might also try looking up what "invalid" means. Hot tip, it doesn't mean that I proved you to be wrong through perfectly valid arguments, which is how you attempted to use it.
I think that's a pretty cynical way of looking at it.
Then you are a deeply naive person. That's a fact. We're talking almost 2000 years of history backing up my position and a few isolated, overshadowed events backing yours. The current pope was a nazi who made his name covering up the rape of children to protect the church's monetary interests. That is the organization you're defending from a much lesser charge. Think it through. A nazi who covered up the rape of children and was rewarded by being declared the ultimate moral authority. And you think it's unfair to point out that their policies are designed to keep themselves in power, just like they've always been for centuries. Hot tip, they actively worked covering up their rape of children to keep their power. That you think somehow this is indicative of an organization with a concept of morality or ethics, let alone one that would prevent them from making a few more people suffer if they can benefit thereby demonstrates a deep personal failure of ethics, morality, and basic common sense on your part.
Granted in the past there were some pretty fucked up popes who probably actively thought about ways they could exploit people, but I think today you will have a hard time finding Mr. Burns style, finger-tapping bishops and cardinals who think "how can I best keep the poor downtrodden?"
Um, no.
The church's policy on contraception alone proves beyond possibility of a doubt that you are dead wrong.
Those policies are actively used for the purpose of keeping the poor poor. They wouldn't exist if it hadn't long been church policy to make sure there were more Catholics ( to work for the church's profit and to murder for the church's wars) and to keep women in an inferior position.
Seriously, there aren't any other reasons for those policies. If you try to propose one, please take a minute to notice the obvious contradictions that will arise.
I have faith that He exists, and by that faith alone am I saved. I
It would be really stupid and pathetic of an all powerful being to make such an idiotic requirement, yet it's the one thing that would be required for a person to gain power over other people through purely made up bullshit. So it's really sad and terrifying that you aren't capable of noticing the really obvious insanity of your position.
A god would not need to pull some stupid bullshit trick like demanding that people in the modern age believe in him on faith while refusing to provide *any* evidence at all for his existence. A person making shit up to fuck over other people for his benefit would have to since there obviously is no god.
How is it that you can't pull your head far out enough of your ass to notice that. Either your god ain't real as is obviously most likely, or he made everything in exactly such a way that it looks like a scam perpetrated by people. What does he only like stupid, weak gullible fools and so hates intelligent, skeptical people that he'll torture them for all eternity just for acting in a manner consistent with they way he made them?
Are you completely incapable of even recognizing the massive character flaws in your god? Does your brain just go blank whenever the topic comes up? Doesn't it hurt to have to constantly repress your common sense? Why would you do that to yourself, just to keep believing in a childish fairy tale, or do you just hate most of the people in the world so much? Monotheistic religion can';t exist without a blind hatred of everyone who doesn't buy into the same exact stupid bullshit.
Simply put, I like my chances better.
So you're an utter failure at probability as well?
Hot tip, Sparky, there are far more gods that aren't yours than are. They will pretty much all torture you for eternity for believing in the wrong one (and statistically, your god is the wrong one), so you're making a piss poor decision on the basis you chose to evaluate it on.
You could, at some point in your life have looked up "Pascal's wager" which is your argument and seen how thoroughly it's been destroyed, but again, that would require you to actually use your brain on the topic of religion rather than blindly swallowing shit your parents force fed you, which is what you said you're doing.
I understand that you're desperate to believe anything mystical that you latch onto anything no matter how stupid it is. That's not a matter of confusion. I'm curious as to *why* you would allow yourself to be such a fool on the topic of one magical invisible friend, yet not on the others who are exactly identical in believability. How is it that you manage to pick and choose between equally idiotic delusions?
As far as initial configuration of the OS upon install- I think that if you ask ANYONE who has tried it- they will tell you windows 7's install was easier and more complete than any operating system they've tried to date.
That's really stupid.
It didn't install a full blown database server, development tools, and what would be many thousands of dollars worth of other software, so no, a windows installation will never be even in the same league in terms of completeness.
To me a fertilized egg is a human at that point so whether it is implanted or not you are destroying a human life.
I'm glad that I live in a country that was founded on the idea that religious delusion has no place in the laws of a free nation so that it's illegal for your stupid religious belief to have any affect on me.
It's unfortunate the country has fallen so far from it's roots at the hands of evil hate mongering religious scum that people think it's ok for them to try and shovel their delusional shit down the throats of decent people.
idiots in pointy hats count for nothing. the guy (the office) stopped being relevant around the turn of the 20th century.
I wonder if it's related that that is just about the same time that that evil organization finally officially banned torture and murder as the appropriate (just, moral, ethical etc.) punishment for heresy?
I don't think that's a fair evaluation of the Church's position
Actually it is a perfectly valid assessment of the church's position.
Most of their wacky policies are to help force there to be more poor suffering people who they can leech off of. It's basic survival instinct and quite obviously what they've done for centuries. Were they in any way tied to any sort of god, they wouldn't have to keep changing their policies.
What is it about the OPs evaluation that you find unfair? It's hard to imagine anything more obvious than that the church, like any organization, will work in order to increase it's own power. It's a law of nature, so hardly seems to be a point of contention.
BTW, I am not comparing God (who I whole heartedly believe does exist) to these characters.
Why not? They are exactly 100% logically equivalent concepts. Comparing the m is perfectly justified as they end up being exactly the same thing: The wishful thinking of an undeveloped intellect.
How is it that you manage to be sane regarding the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, but you insist on being an ignorant idiotic child with regard to an imaginary friend just because he has a different name?
The evidence for your god (whichever one it is) and for the tooth fairy are the same, that is to say there isn't any at all.
Is it just that you're terrified of reality and possessed of an extremely weak character that you have this desperate need to believe in something so utterly idiotic or is it something else that's wrong with you?
I'm genuinely interested in what makes a person able to be so completely deluded as you've proven yourself to be by being capable of recognizing silly fantasies when they're called one thing, but failing utterly to recognize the same exact thing just because it's called something different?
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We do let the dead vote...
Check for Tibery's election as mayor of the 5th quarter of Paris...
Meh....yawn.... not impressed.
Oh, did I mention that I live in Chicago?
The dead here vote early and often.
'm surprised that it was a Montana city that did this, last I heard, there was a simmering anti-government sentiment there, I know a few people that lived in Bozeman, MT.
No, the right wing nutters hate government that could possibly help somebody. They *love* big government when it's designed to hurt people, or if it's spending us into poverty to blow up brown people.
It's easy to get confused by their rhetoric, but just look at the last 3 Republican presidents. Record debts for the 2 2 termers and the one termer was that because he got stuck with the bill for Reagan and had to raise taxes to pay it. Paying our debts is "bad government" hence Bush I getting thrown out. Massive spending of money borrowed from China is "good government", "small government" and "fiscal responsibility". It's no wonder they had to get the religious loons on their side with the rest of their hurt people legislation. Those lunatics already believe in far out insanity, so nothing is too ridiculous for them to believe as long as it comes with a heaping helping of hatred.
Publishing is the first step in peer review, not the final end all.
Now I could be wrong (seriously, I really don't know all that much about this), but I thought that "respectable" journals had peers to whom they send articles for review prior to publishing? So after publishing, certainly more peers get a chance to look over the results and the process continues.
But assuming that I'm correct, wouldn't that make submitting or maybe the assignment of the reviewers the first step?
The shah being a brutal fascist thug and a puppet of America is what discredited him and paved the way for the Ayatollah. It was us toppling their government and installing that scumbag in the first place that caused the reaction that led to the current theocracy in Iran.
I figured that you would be able to bring up some reasonable arguments aginst mine- but you didn't
LOL. You never came up with an argument you dumb fuck. You merely played a "moving the goalposts" asshattery and then made up this feeble bit of bullshit long after you were destroyed intellectually. Seriously, Douche, You have yet to present an actual point. You lose. Hard.
Well, thank you. You've certainly managed to amuse me for the night. Goodnight troll.
Ohhh, did I hit to close to home? I think so. Die in a fire you nazi fuck.
Good luck with your life, I wish you only the best, even if your path differs from mine.
I don't suffer from your disease of deeply cowardly dishonesty, so I will gleefully wish you the death in a fire you've earned.
Our paths are in the same plane. Your goal is to make people fail to see reality in order to follow your made up bullshit fairy tales which you're too goddamned dumb to even understand. Fuck you you evil scumbag for hating basic common sense and basic human decency so much.
Grow up, stop promoting unmitigated evil and ignorance. Only then will you be worthy of my good wishes as I've already far exceeded your best efforts.
Now please don't even pretend that you got out of this discussion looking like anything but an evil fucker. Your cowardly refusal to address even a single point I raised and your final, cowardly run for the border here is just typical of your breed of scum. If you can't get to a dumb little kid, you run like a bitch. Lots of good people are sick to fucking death of watching you evil, cowardly nazi fucks rape little kid's brains. I pity you that you thought I might be as dumb as you as to still believe in fairy tales, but I don't forgive your evil, cowardly desire to push it on the weak and the stupid. I'd pity you for that need...if you weren't preying on the bottom of the fucking barrel since they're the only ones dumber than you.
Wow, someone has a hate-on for religion.
You mean like every sane person whose brain has been allowed to develop? It's called being sane. You might consider looking into it. If you're whining like that over what I said here though? Odds are that your parents raped your brain so hard as an infant that you will never be capable of it.
Someone also referred to black people using the worst slur imaginable for them.
Let me guess, you're basically the nazi sort ,so you just run with political correctness. If you were a sane person, you would have easily picked up on the basic, obvious fact that "slaves" were not considered "people" by the people , in the time, we were discussing.. 3/5th is actually the percentage of a person which the constitution declared them to be. So, yes, that was the term used by those people.
Wait, you're one of those Zionist/Nazi fucks aren't you? Whining like a little bitch when you have no point. While living on land you stole while expecting my taxes to pay for your cowardice, thieving, and general fascist, racist scumbaggery. Yep, I remember you. Always pissing in the face of everything America once stood for while demanding that we defend your Nazi atrocities. Fuck you hard, you Zionist Nazi bitch. I hope you die in a really hot fire before you cause more unrest stealing people's land and demanding that I pay to defend your sick evil Nazi ass. Sorry, fuck Israel, and fuck Nazis. Same damn thing these days.
It doesn't even matter if a fair counting of every vote cast does indicate a win for Ahmadinejad; the blatant fraud, police brutality, and the arresting of the opposition has ruined the people's trust in government. I truly hope that Iran doesn't descend into civil war.
I hope it does descend into a civil war. It would demonstrate them to be better people than the Americans who refused to do so when it happened to them and it would demonstrate them to be better people than their parents were when America did it to them.
You make civil war sound like a bad thing. When your government rapes its citizens and pisses in the face of its founding principles, then civil war is a good thing. Americans have a bad view of it because ours was nothing but nigger hating nazis who thought being dumb as fuck while white was somehow a positive and they have enough political power now to shove their douchebaggery into everything.
Yes, murder off all the dumb evil amoral fuckers. It is a far more civil event than letting those evil fuckers keep uncivilizing the society. I propose a $100 bounty on the head of every mullah. 10 times that for every American preacher. That, my friends, is solidarity.
You will never have a free society as long as a single one of those evil magical fairy fuckers is allowed to live.
And yet you zero in on my english skills and not my points, that was your accusation remember? Kudos.
LOLing at the nitwit. No, I addressed your lack of any actual points in favor of random hand waving and such you ignorant little douche.
I offered the information about the Gnostics to your post...address that. They dealt with the dichotomy you disparage, yet you still wont address it.
No, you mentioned the Gnostics as if they were somehow both an address of arguments against the Christian god while ignoring their (at least attempted) extermination *by* the Christians *specifically* because of how their views contradicted the Christian nonsense. You failed both to make a point then and now to demonstrate how your later feeble attempt at randomly bringing them up explains how the Christian extermination campaign against their view somehow justifies your position. This ain't Faux news. O'Liely ain't sitting here cutting off my mic while I destroy your feeble attempt at randomly mentioning things in your hope that the audience is too damn stupid to get basic logic.
And public ridicule for belief is better somehow? "Witch BURN HER!" is now "Believer! CHILD ABUSER,MORON" is really better?
Not sure what you're on about now... I'd have to say that, yes, being called silly for believing stupid things which a few hours of research could demonstrate as absolutely false is far better *in every way* than being put to death for not believing stupid things which a few hours of research could demonstrate as absolutely false.
Yes, the organization you're defending which only got traction by murdering anybody who disagrees with them is bad. Laughing in the face of that evil bullshit is good. I'm very happy that I can laugh in the face of evil idiotic fucks like yourself because you're too weak willed and cowardly to think. A lot of very smart, very good people were tortured and murdered by sickeningly, cowardly fucks like yourself for having the honesty, integrity, and courage to do just that.
So, while I might see the humor in seeing all you dumb evil monsters put to your own tests and thereby scorched off the face of the earth with fire, I know that I'm a better person than you are or than any Christian that's ever lived or will ever live has a prayer of being.
I'm a decent person because I understand that that is the right thing to do. If you're religious, you will necessarily never be able to make that connection. It's sad, it's pathetic. and it's far beneath me.
You are arguing that because Ubuntu comes with a bunch of software- that it is not reasonable to compare any other aspect of it to another operating system?
Wow, it's truly amazing the level of rank stupidity you see around these days. Nothing about "other aspects" you lying, whiny little bitch. It was a very specific aspect which *you* **chose** to compare. I proved you dead fucking wrong. Grow up, be a man.. not the whiny little bitch you present yourself as and get on with your life.
We are arguing about operating systems here- not about apps.
No, *you* chose to make an obviously false claim. I proved you wrong. You then started whining and lying. That's what happened. It's a public forum. Everyone can look at this thread. You're not looking clever by lying.
*You*, shithead, made the claim. I proved you to be full of shit. Now you're making up some unrealistic, totally biased, furniture store "analogy" and trying to retroactively claim it's related to what you previously claimed?!?
Seriously, act like an adult, act like a man, act like you even understand the basics of an ethical system.
You're wrong. That is a personal failure. You were not good enough at thinking to engage in this conversation. I'm sorry your parents were such utter abject failures at their jobs as parents such that they didn't bother taking the time to teach you about thinking, but they failed, and they set you up to be a complete fucking failure. Well, the world needs ditch diggers too, I suppose.
"Nobody has ever adequately addressed the problem of evil. Not even close." Yeah, many have, in different ways. Epicurus? Really? The Gnostics are one group. There are others. And yes, there were Gnostics at that time. You obviously are not as read as you thing you are.
And yet you, like everyone before you, has utterly failed to address that issue. If you think it's been logically addressed then you're wrong. Sad but true. You do understand that for most of the history of monotheism questioning it was death, right? The arguments have been solid from day one. Just not everyone was willing to die for it. Hell, that's why Thomas Aquinas is anything but a laughingstock. His arguments were destroyed long before he was even born.
You obviously are not as read as you thing you are.
Better than you, certainly. Plus I can still communicate in complete sentences. Would I pronounce "read" there as "reed" or "red" and what (TF) would it mean in either case?!?
I'll assume you meant "think", but when you're talking smack about how well read someone is I'd expect you'd take a glance at what you wrote before just embarrassing yourself. But then again, unlike you, I don't like to look like an idiot.
You've certainly made your point here, but I doubt you even now understand what that point is.
Religious? Religion has nothing to do with it. It is science fact my friend. I am not religious at all in the slightest.
Huh?!?
OK, let's try an experiment. Grab an egg out of a chick, throw it on the ground an I'll jizz on it. We'll come back in 9 months and find a baby sitting there.
Guess what? It ain't going to happen.
So, yes, you're either religious about it or really fucking stupid.
Good luck figuring out which!
From what I understand, Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth in Germany at a time when that was required of all young Germans, and was an "unenthusiastic" member;
Well, I'd expect a bit more out of a moral authority. I'm sorry you don't actually understand the idea of a basic moral standard, let alone an exceptional one all in the world should follow. He basically went with the flow. Much like the Catholic Church did. They signed on to help Hitler. "willing" "unwilling" Those are meaningless distinctions when we're discussing an organization that claims for itself ultimate moral authority. The Catholic Church was an active participant in the holocaust. That's a fact. If it was through fear of what a human could do to the individual members, then...well..*obviously* **nobody** with any authority in that sick organization believed a word of their idiotic nonsense. Think it through. They were protecting their own power. End of discussion on that topic. You have utterly lost. When you bank on an invisible fairy man, you lose. That's reality.
On the other hand, yes, the Church's sexual abuse scandals are despicable, and something you'd think they'd take into account when considering celibacy requirements for priests.
So, they're "despicable", yet the primary agent behind the coverups is A OK in your book. And then you try to shunt it off to your red herring "celibacy" bullshit. That was Rat Fuck's primary role. That's why he's the fucking pope. He kept the shit under wraps and the money in house.
The difference between you and me is that you seem to think every single Catholic clergyman either was molesting boys, or at least knew about it and did nothing or covered it up; whereas I think that while there was a sickening amount of sexual abuse in the Church, as well as practices that had the effect of perpetuating and defending it, there were and are also some decent people in the Church
No, unlike you, I actually pay attention and understand that the official policy of the church was to lie, actively block investigations of child rape, to move child rapist "holy men" around countries to avoid laws against the physical insertion of the adult male penis into the assholes of little fucking kids you sick fucker. They actively fought court cases they *knew* they were on the wrong end of. Why? They wanted to keep the wealth they *looted* from the fucking world over their existence.
Seriously, you sick, demented little fucker. Pull your head out of your ass and pay attention to reality. It was the 1900s in which the church *finally* decided that torturing people to death for noticing that their idiotic lies are obviously nonsense and having the courage to exercise their basic human right to talk sense should no longer be *official church policy*
The opponents of the church have always been the good guys,almost always been deeply moral, ethical people who were willing to deal with the atrocities the church *invented*. Until you've read their torture manuals don't even bother responding. Your far off into nutjob land if you're defending shit you're too cowardly too look at square in the face.
Like most things, it's a mixed bag.
See the problem which you're failing to notice is that it's a bag of *really* fucking evil mixed with a lot of *really* fucking stupid and/or deluded.
There's nothing else there at all. Otherwise, they'd ditch the stupid dogma and the purely evil "moral" bullshit which never does anything but keep the poor poor an women slaves to biology.
For example, did you know that John Paul II campaigned for restrictions on intellectual property in order to facilitate access to medicines? His envoys to the WTO consistently sought to temper TRIPS provisions with this in mind. That's hardly the sort of behavior I'd expect from a man dedicated to keeping the lives of the poor miserable.
I know that JP2 was a huge leap forward for the church, and while he failed to address the important issues, he did make enoug
And here is a Hot Tip for *YOU* Sparky. The vast majority of your rant has been hashed over by the greatest minds that have ever existed, you obviously have never read any of them.
I've read a lot of them. The fact the delusional religious nutters keep spewing the same bullshit in spite of it having already been thoroughly refuted is a deep flaw in their characters. An oft repeated lie becomes truth if there isn't somebody there to keep repeating the truth.
Yeah, this was addressed many times by many authors
Right, and they've all utterly failed even to address Epicurus who laid it out solidly. Nobody has ever adequately addressed the problem of evil. Not even close. That was far before the dates you made up, so you might want to try to gain even a basic understanding of the issue before embarrassing yourself further.
You might consider not getting so drunk before posting on the internet next time. Your failures at grammar and spelling are easy enough to gloss over, but your complete failure at anything even approximating a valid point make you look really pathetic.
First of all, I'm not making fun of you, nor did I say your position was wrong
I'm not sure where that came from. I'm not aware of anything I said that would have made you think that I thought you were making fun of me...I mean, you're the one defending believing in the tooth fairy, and that would be hilarious if so many evil people weren't using that idiocy to push evil agendas.
I simply said that I believe differently and explained my reasoning.
Well, point of fact: You didn't explain your "reasoning" you merely repeated "Pascal's wager" which is a thoroughly refuted bit of nonsense. There's no reasoning there, let alone an explanation thereof.
And I did not curse at you
I didn't curse at you either. I dropped a couple "swear words" in their legitimate role in conversation, but none of them were directed at you. ?Not sure where the problem is there, unless you just generally enjoy finding offense in totally non offensive things like the arrangement of characters. Of course, that's almost certainly just more delusional brainwashing. What, you have a problem with certain legitimate words now? LOL
As far as the evidence goes, He did send His Son, 2000 years ago, who had 12 disciples, 11 of whom died a martyr's death for what they believed (how many people do you know that would die for something they knew was a lie?). Their testimony and the testimony of others like them are what have created Christianity as we know it today withstanding the test of time.
OK, you need to back all the way up.
I asked for evidence., You did nothing but repeat the basic tenets of your faith which I am already well aware of and quite clearly know *far* more about than you do. Where is the evidence for this son of god of which you speak? Where is the evidence for these disciples? The historical record has no mention of them. Hot tip, the "canonical gospels" aren't eye witness accounts. They don't even try to be. Seriously, you might consider actually reading them. They certainly weren't written by anybody alive at the time the supposed events happened. No historian alive at the time mentions anything out of the ordinary occurring. Given that the bible claims earthquakes, various unique events and *a zombie invasion*, none of which show up anywhere in the actual historical record, it's quite obvious that the biblical claims are nothing but fairy tales.
Seriously, there is more evidence for the tooth fairy than there is for Jesus or his disciples ever having existed as normal boring people, let alone the crazy magical nonsense. Look it up.
And whether you believe the Bible is false or not, I believe it is God's Word.
I know that you believe idiotic nonsense which is contradicted by every available fact. Your sincerity in your delusion is not at all in any way the question. My question isn't whether or not you have chosen to believe nonsense that is known to be false. Obviously you do. My question is why are you able to filter out the tooth fairy, but not this stupid nonsense? I mean apart from the whole there probably never was a Jesus thing which is quite clear, look at the whole Exodus nonsense. There were no Hebrews in Egypt at the time the pyramids were being built. In fact there were no Hebrews in the entire world because that tribe hadn't even formed at that time and therefore their god didn't even exist yet. Jehova, the polytheistic Hebrew wind god hadn't even been invented, let alone his promotion from part of a pantheon to the whole monotheistic "one true god" nonsense. Seriously, this is all part of the historical record. An iron age tribe made up a fairy tale story that sets their origin in the bronze age because they were so far into the iron age before they even existed as a people as to make their whole story an anachronism. Whoever wrote it (you certainly don't know whatever you might think) did not even know that iron hadn't been invented in the age they chose to set their fairy tale.
So given that it's a basic, simple, f
You're saying that because it has a bunch of shit installed on it- that negates its ability to properly detect hardware? Good logic.
No, I said that your comparison based on completeness is laughable. Bad reading comprehension skills.
As far as the long edition, you still fail. Tons more software comes with a desktop version of Ubuntu as well. Windows will never stand up to a comparison based on completeness. Your pulled straight from your ass nonsensical percentages are meaningless as well.
You might also try looking up what "invalid" means. Hot tip, it doesn't mean that I proved you to be wrong through perfectly valid arguments, which is how you attempted to use it.
I think that's a pretty cynical way of looking at it.
Then you are a deeply naive person. That's a fact. We're talking almost 2000 years of history backing up my position and a few isolated, overshadowed events backing yours. The current pope was a nazi who made his name covering up the rape of children to protect the church's monetary interests. That is the organization you're defending from a much lesser charge. Think it through. A nazi who covered up the rape of children and was rewarded by being declared the ultimate moral authority. And you think it's unfair to point out that their policies are designed to keep themselves in power, just like they've always been for centuries. Hot tip, they actively worked covering up their rape of children to keep their power. That you think somehow this is indicative of an organization with a concept of morality or ethics, let alone one that would prevent them from making a few more people suffer if they can benefit thereby demonstrates a deep personal failure of ethics, morality, and basic common sense on your part.
Granted in the past there were some pretty fucked up popes who probably actively thought about ways they could exploit people, but I think today you will have a hard time finding Mr. Burns style, finger-tapping bishops and cardinals who think "how can I best keep the poor downtrodden?"
Um, no.
The church's policy on contraception alone proves beyond possibility of a doubt that you are dead wrong.
Those policies are actively used for the purpose of keeping the poor poor. They wouldn't exist if it hadn't long been church policy to make sure there were more Catholics ( to work for the church's profit and to murder for the church's wars) and to keep women in an inferior position.
Seriously, there aren't any other reasons for those policies. If you try to propose one, please take a minute to notice the obvious contradictions that will arise.
I have faith that He exists, and by that faith alone am I saved. I
It would be really stupid and pathetic of an all powerful being to make such an idiotic requirement, yet it's the one thing that would be required for a person to gain power over other people through purely made up bullshit. So it's really sad and terrifying that you aren't capable of noticing the really obvious insanity of your position.
A god would not need to pull some stupid bullshit trick like demanding that people in the modern age believe in him on faith while refusing to provide *any* evidence at all for his existence. A person making shit up to fuck over other people for his benefit would have to since there obviously is no god.
How is it that you can't pull your head far out enough of your ass to notice that. Either your god ain't real as is obviously most likely, or he made everything in exactly such a way that it looks like a scam perpetrated by people. What does he only like stupid, weak gullible fools and so hates intelligent, skeptical people that he'll torture them for all eternity just for acting in a manner consistent with they way he made them?
Are you completely incapable of even recognizing the massive character flaws in your god? Does your brain just go blank whenever the topic comes up? Doesn't it hurt to have to constantly repress your common sense? Why would you do that to yourself, just to keep believing in a childish fairy tale, or do you just hate most of the people in the world so much? Monotheistic religion can';t exist without a blind hatred of everyone who doesn't buy into the same exact stupid bullshit.
Simply put, I like my chances better.
So you're an utter failure at probability as well?
Hot tip, Sparky, there are far more gods that aren't yours than are. They will pretty much all torture you for eternity for believing in the wrong one (and statistically, your god is the wrong one), so you're making a piss poor decision on the basis you chose to evaluate it on.
You could, at some point in your life have looked up "Pascal's wager" which is your argument and seen how thoroughly it's been destroyed, but again, that would require you to actually use your brain on the topic of religion rather than blindly swallowing shit your parents force fed you, which is what you said you're doing.
I understand that you're desperate to believe anything mystical that you latch onto anything no matter how stupid it is. That's not a matter of confusion. I'm curious as to *why* you would allow yourself to be such a fool on the topic of one magical invisible friend, yet not on the others who are exactly identical in believability. How is it that you manage to pick and choose between equally idiotic delusions?
As far as initial configuration of the OS upon install- I think that if you ask ANYONE who has tried it- they will tell you windows 7's install was easier and more complete than any operating system they've tried to date.
That's really stupid.
It didn't install a full blown database server, development tools, and what would be many thousands of dollars worth of other software, so no, a windows installation will never be even in the same league in terms of completeness.
What a truly laughable statement.
Anybody who misspells the name of that movie has instantly discredited their opinion on anything related to it.
To me a fertilized egg is a human at that point so whether it is implanted or not you are destroying a human life.
I'm glad that I live in a country that was founded on the idea that religious delusion has no place in the laws of a free nation so that it's illegal for your stupid religious belief to have any affect on me.
It's unfortunate the country has fallen so far from it's roots at the hands of evil hate mongering religious scum that people think it's ok for them to try and shovel their delusional shit down the throats of decent people.
idiots in pointy hats count for nothing. the guy (the office) stopped being relevant around the turn of the 20th century.
I wonder if it's related that that is just about the same time that that evil organization finally officially banned torture and murder as the appropriate (just, moral, ethical etc.) punishment for heresy?
I don't think that's a fair evaluation of the Church's position
Actually it is a perfectly valid assessment of the church's position.
Most of their wacky policies are to help force there to be more poor suffering people who they can leech off of. It's basic survival instinct and quite obviously what they've done for centuries. Were they in any way tied to any sort of god, they wouldn't have to keep changing their policies.
What is it about the OPs evaluation that you find unfair? It's hard to imagine anything more obvious than that the church, like any organization, will work in order to increase it's own power. It's a law of nature, so hardly seems to be a point of contention.
BTW, I am not comparing God (who I whole heartedly believe does exist) to these characters.
Why not? They are exactly 100% logically equivalent concepts. Comparing the m is perfectly justified as they end up being exactly the same thing: The wishful thinking of an undeveloped intellect.
How is it that you manage to be sane regarding the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, but you insist on being an ignorant idiotic child with regard to an imaginary friend just because he has a different name?
The evidence for your god (whichever one it is) and for the tooth fairy are the same, that is to say there isn't any at all.
Is it just that you're terrified of reality and possessed of an extremely weak character that you have this desperate need to believe in something so utterly idiotic or is it something else that's wrong with you?
I'm genuinely interested in what makes a person able to be so completely deluded as you've proven yourself to be by being capable of recognizing silly fantasies when they're called one thing, but failing utterly to recognize the same exact thing just because it's called something different?