he fact you would cite such a stupid example just shows what an idiot you are, use a sensible argument not a stupid strawman.
Wow, you're really not smart at all, are you. It shows how simple it is to come up with an example absolutely destroying your obviously unthought through "point". Had you thought about it for a couple of seconds before posting that idiotic tripe, then you would have realised it yourself without it having to be pointed out to you.
It was an absolutely sensible argument. Yours was nonsense as I so easily demonstrated.
Grow up and deal with the fact that *you* were wrong. It's called personal responsibility, go ahead and take some.
so whine all you like, I don't care, but don't try and convince yourself your self that running reds is some involuntary act.
And you have the audacity to accuse me of a straw man argument?!? Wow, what color is the air on your planet?
That was never anything even approaching my argument. My point as I clearly stated was the speeding up or slowing down for the yellow is a judgement call. The fact that such an easy example obliterated your contrary point demonstrates how deeply stupid it was.
Well, given that chickens are identified as the closest living relatives, it appears that the Flintstones eating barbecued dinos weren't all that far "out there" either.
Fuck it. If they're made of meat they're made to be grilled.
Yes, you can grill vegetables too, but that's most often not the purpose of buying a grill. It's either a side dish or something for the vegetarian wife;-)
In order to succeed you'd have to also undermine all science, from physics to biology, via geology, chemistry, mathematics, paleontology, tectonics, astronomy, etc.
OK, leave mathematics out of the list and I'll be fine with your point. The math itself would stay both correct and what it is, much stronger: *proven*.
The application of mathematics to the situation would be demonstrated faulty in that situation, but you'd have to do much better than that to undermine math. The fact that it often can be applied fruitfully to reality is a fringe benefit, not the purpose nor the essence of it.
It's true: reality has a left-wing bias. Don't allow reality and facts to brainwash you with their bias: disregard the parent and indulge in hate- and fear-fueled delusion!
Indeed! Buy into the bullshit that speaking honestly makes you a Leftist.
I hate to put facts into such a silly spouting of nonsense;-) but I hate the left almost as much as I hate the right.
How about all of you bitches deal with your own shit and stay the fuck out of my business and most especially out of my personal life.
If you think some Chicago police are asses, certian suburban departments aren't any better. *cough* Schaumburg *cough* Arlington Heights *cough*...
Meh. I've been to Schaumburg and been through Arlington Heights (laughable name that like "High"land Park or "High"wood, there's no fricking elevation in this state. For Christ sake, after living here for 6 months on a contract I went back to California to move out here and we went to SF to pick up the Wife's car and then drove to San Diego to move out of the pad and driving down the I-5 I was like "wow, this is sooooo pretty". I used to think that was the boringest drive ever) but I'd never hang out there. I grew up in San Diego, and used to work in Rancho Bernardo (suburb at the north end of the city...still San Diego though.). The cops there were largely made up of the ones who were shell shocked from working Logan Heights and other shitholes and given R&R type duties in a nowhere no trouble place and just went apeshit.
I'd rather deal with city cops who actually have real issues to keep them busy. They don't just start groping 14 year old girls for "looking dangerous". Good thing her mom was the boss of the ice cream shop I was working at or it would have been me in prison for assault on an officer instead of him for kiddy fiddling. Hope he's having a good time in there, sick fucking scum.
Bah. Suburban cops.
At least the Chicago cops have the balls to beat murder confessions out of you and throw you on death row...
Oh wait that came out right after I moved here...old news. It did turn me against the death penalty, which led to one fewer squabble at home;-)
strike one against you - being in the left lane while not passing someone in the right.
Absofuckinglutely goddamn right.
*Those* sick fuckers are the worst threat on the road and the primary cause of traffic.
10 cars in sight on the whole freeway and *they* are driving right alongside another car singlehandedly blocking the *entire fucking freeway*.
When you provide *no* benefit to yourself while acting solely to fuck people, well *that* is an asshole.
Those shitbags should be dragged out of their cars, stripped naked, put over your knee and beaten in front of everybody trying their damndest just to get home to their families without some worthless bag of shit fucking it up for everyone.
Not for the pain. For the public humiliation and shame. "Hey asshole. These are real people all around that you're fucking just to be a dick without even any benefit for yourself. The ones laughing while you get your ass beat red on the side of the road. Learn to recognize that fact. Pull your head out of your ass and deal with that fact or your cheeks will be beet red too."
It's a good thing I take the train to work when I'm not driving equipment around.
I guarantee that if California did that, it would not only eliminate the red light running problem overnight, but would also make the roads a lot safer and more pleasant for drivers.
Fair enough, and I won't bet against you on that.
But...
Do you really think that has a fucking thing to do with traffic laws? Safety and pleasantness aren't even relevant. Not only do they make more for tickets, but they make more from people dying in the intersections by pointing at as a need for more cash.
Seriously, welcome to 1984. Not the Orwell book. This type of shit's been going on at *least* that long.
not that you should see if you can guess how long it will last and guess if you can get over the line before the light changes.
Actually, that is exactly what the yellow light means. Your tires are 5 feet before the line going 45 and the light turns yellow and *you* stop immediately?!? Bullshit.
It's a judgement call every time the light turns yellow. Sure, some people have shitty judgement, but that doesn't make your assinine absolutist nonsense even remotely sane in any way shape or form.
"Driver in front never at fault" laws are plan stupid.
Utah has such a law, and I was ticketed there (maybe 16 years ago?) for rear-ending someone; so to answer your question:
I got a ticket for speeding in Utah some years back. I was doing around 85 and got ticketed for doing around 85 so no story right? No! The cop had a "menu" of typical crimes and fines. My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I laughed our asses off reading it because for what we spent on going 85 we could have fired a gun out of the vehicle (provided it didn't cause an accident...that would have been a bit (really! Not that much) more) *and* some other pretty ridiculous crime (far worse than speeding a well but I forget what we worked out) for less money.
Word to the wise. When driving through Utah, drive slow and fire away.
Any time you do not have a clear view of whether its safe to proceed, then you are following too close.
And two car lengths behind a semi is perfectly safe. Following that far from a semi through an intersection is perfectly safe. The color of the light is meaningless to safety in that situation.
So be honest, do you care at all about "people's lives", or do you just love authoritarianism because your post sure makes you seem like the latter since there is nothing supporting the former in it.
Here in Chicago, peope who get traffic camera tickets can go to a special city clerk court to fight the ticket. The accuser happens to be a representative of the city of Chicago, since the cameras are municipal property. Unfortunately, 99% of people who fight the tickets lose and have their fines *doubled*.
"Welcome to Chicago".
That's what I got from the cop who was ticketing my (multiply glitchy) moving truck when I moved here and the battery died while I was unloading. Well, I did first manage to tell him that the service guy from the rental company was already on his way before he told me that.
I love this city, but the corruption is truly amazing.
As much as I think some cops are abusing their powers in those situation, I think ultimately their employer should be responsible.
Woohoo!!!! Fuck personal responsibility!!!!one!!!
They are the one paying them for doing that. They are the one who should handle the problem.
Awesome! I'm going out fucking 3 year olds tonight and I'll make my boss go to prison for it. You're the best!
You cant tell to a cop: you need to run red lights and go fast to catch the bad guy, but dont get into an accident or you are fired.
You just typed it. It's not really that much of a stretch to say it.
I dont think one particular officer should be responsible for following the rules and doing his job. Its not fair for him, if he is just doing what all other cops are doing, but he is the unlucky one. It should not be a loterry.
Yes, *every* particular officer should damn well be *more* responsible than an ordinary citizen. With great power comes great *responsibility*.
Damn dude. Please do not ever have kids. They will be the worst pieces of shit we've seen is you're truly that deeply delusional, entirely divorced from reality and so contemptuous of people taking responsibility for their own fucking actions.
Still odd how much the Left in this world hates people who tell the truth.
Yet the actual, demonstrated fact is that they were lying sacks of shit. All you've managed to demonstrate is the entirely Orwellian "argument" line of the Republican party, which none but the dumbest of our species gives any credence to at this point (and only one step up from that has done in decades) given the total lack of anything worthwhile coming out of those biggest government douchebags since they pissed away all their stated beliefs once they rejected Goldwater in favor of absolute corruption. Seriously, only cowards traitors and fools are left in that most corrupt party. I defy you to come up with an argument for being a Republican that doesn't fall into one or more of those. Go on, I dare you to even try. You will fail completely and you damn well know it.
Swiftboats?!? That is the best fucking you have to make a pathetic and deeply dishonest defense of?!?
You sick subhuman animals have completely lost it, haven't you?
I would love to get a dual-core 939, but they aren't in stock in any store in Canada AFAICT.
Not sure if it's any help, but 939 Opterons work great for that as well... better than most of the X2s since all Opterons have 1MB cache per core and only some X2s do. Back a year and a half ago, the Opterons were even cheaper than the X2s as well. If you can find it for a good price, it's a great chip.
And truthfully, This is the exact reason Bush needs the patriot act and the secrecy surrounding holding enemy combatants. This is exactly why he needs the suspension of Habeas Corpus for some non citizens. And this is exactly why he need the process to be conducted in a secure manor.
But those of us who are not cowards would prefer to have some risk (even though even what there is is largely overblown) than to have a totalitarian society. In fact, that's how this country came to be. So your cowardice (don't whine ad hominem, a coward is exactly what *you* just declared yourself to be) and that of those like you is the gravest threat our nation faces or has ever faced. Since you're too weak and cowardly to live in a free society, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or some other country where they already live under your favored system rather than working to fuck this place as well?
Oh yeah, that would take the courage of your convictions and you've already admitted to being a coward.
it would not matter if an entire state voted to allow medical weed, the feds just ignore it.
You're correct, except you shouldn't have put it in the hypothetical. California already legalized medical marijuana and the feds illegally went in and arrested people for engaging in perfectly legal activities.
or suffer the consequences of a new class of DUI drivers
Hot tip, they're already doing it. Therefore there is nothing new and your point has destroyed itself with only a tiny bit of actual thought. Perhaps you should have tried thinking about it for a second before posting such drivel.
. For me, the smoke is a migraine trigger and the only argument for legalization I can see even having the slightest merit is the medical one
Well, that's not how a free society works. You need to come up with an argument for illegalization. Nobody has yet come up with an honest rational argument for that, so it should be legal. Granted this isn't a free society hence drug laws which can only empower the police state and have no possible positive effects. Go ahead try to find one you will fail.
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he fact you would cite such a stupid example just shows what an idiot you are, use a sensible argument not a stupid strawman.
Wow, you're really not smart at all, are you.
It shows how simple it is to come up with an example absolutely destroying your obviously unthought through "point".
Had you thought about it for a couple of seconds before posting that idiotic tripe, then you would have realised it yourself without it having to be pointed out to you.
It was an absolutely sensible argument. Yours was nonsense as I so easily demonstrated.
Grow up and deal with the fact that *you* were wrong. It's called personal responsibility, go ahead and take some.
so whine all you like, I don't care, but don't try and convince yourself your self that running reds is some involuntary act.
And you have the audacity to accuse me of a straw man argument?!? Wow, what color is the air on your planet?
That was never anything even approaching my argument. My point as I clearly stated was the speeding up or slowing down for the yellow is a judgement call. The fact that such an easy example obliterated your contrary point demonstrates how deeply stupid it was.
Deal with that too little kid.
I could load Caldera Linux on an old E-machine and ship it to SCO, but I think that would be too cruel, even for SCO.
;-)
Never have I seen a sig fit a comment so well
Well, given that chickens are identified as the closest living relatives, it appears that the Flintstones eating barbecued dinos weren't all that far "out there" either.
;-)
Fuck it. If they're made of meat they're made to be grilled.
Yes, you can grill vegetables too, but that's most often not the purpose of buying a grill. It's either a side dish or something for the vegetarian wife
In order to succeed you'd have to also undermine all science, from physics to biology, via geology, chemistry, mathematics, paleontology, tectonics, astronomy, etc.
;-)
OK, leave mathematics out of the list and I'll be fine with your point. The math itself would stay both correct and what it is, much stronger: *proven*.
The application of mathematics to the situation would be demonstrated faulty in that situation, but you'd have to do much better than that to undermine math. The fact that it often can be applied fruitfully to reality is a fringe benefit, not the purpose nor the essence of it.
I'm sorry, I forgot the <Math Geek> tags
It's true: reality has a left-wing bias. Don't allow reality and facts to brainwash you with their bias: disregard the parent and indulge in hate- and fear-fueled delusion!
;-) but I hate the left almost as much as I hate the right.
Indeed!
Buy into the bullshit that speaking honestly makes you a Leftist.
I hate to put facts into such a silly spouting of nonsense
How about all of you bitches deal with your own shit and stay the fuck out of my business and most especially out of my personal life.
If you think some Chicago police are asses, certian suburban departments aren't any better. *cough* Schaumburg *cough* Arlington Heights *cough*...
Meh. I've been to Schaumburg and been through Arlington Heights (laughable name that like "High"land Park or "High"wood, there's no fricking elevation in this state. For Christ sake, after living here for 6 months on a contract I went back to California to move out here and we went to SF to pick up the Wife's car and then drove to San Diego to move out of the pad and driving down the I-5 I was like "wow, this is sooooo pretty". I used to think that was the boringest drive ever) but I'd never hang out there. I grew up in San Diego, and used to work in Rancho Bernardo (suburb at the north end of the city...still San Diego though.). The cops there were largely made up of the ones who were shell shocked from working Logan Heights and other shitholes and given R&R type duties in a nowhere no trouble place and just went apeshit.
I'd rather deal with city cops who actually have real issues to keep them busy. They don't just start groping 14 year old girls for "looking dangerous". Good thing her mom was the boss of the ice cream shop I was working at or it would have been me in prison for assault on an officer instead of him for kiddy fiddling. Hope he's having a good time in there, sick fucking scum.
Bah. Suburban cops.
At least the Chicago cops have the balls to beat murder confessions out of you and throw you on death row...
Oh wait that came out right after I moved here...old news. It did turn me against the death penalty, which led to one fewer squabble at home
strike one against you - being in the left lane while not passing someone in the right.
Absofuckinglutely goddamn right.
*Those* sick fuckers are the worst threat on the road and the primary cause of traffic.
10 cars in sight on the whole freeway and *they* are driving right alongside another car singlehandedly blocking the *entire fucking freeway*.
When you provide *no* benefit to yourself while acting solely to fuck people, well *that* is an asshole.
Those shitbags should be dragged out of their cars, stripped naked, put over your knee and beaten in front of everybody trying their damndest just to get home to their families without some worthless bag of shit fucking it up for everyone.
Not for the pain. For the public humiliation and shame.
"Hey asshole. These are real people all around that you're fucking just to be a dick without even any benefit for yourself. The ones laughing while you get your ass beat red on the side of the road. Learn to recognize that fact. Pull your head out of your ass and deal with that fact or your cheeks will be beet red too."
It's a good thing I take the train to work when I'm not driving equipment around.
I guarantee that if California did that, it would not only eliminate the red light running problem overnight, but would also make the roads a lot safer and more pleasant for drivers.
Fair enough, and I won't bet against you on that.
But...
Do you really think that has a fucking thing to do with traffic laws?
Safety and pleasantness aren't even relevant. Not only do they make more for tickets, but they make more from people dying in the intersections by pointing at as a need for more cash.
Seriously, welcome to 1984.
Not the Orwell book.
This type of shit's been going on at *least* that long.
not that you should see if you can guess how long it will last and guess if you can get over the line before the light changes.
Actually, that is exactly what the yellow light means.
Your tires are 5 feet before the line going 45 and the light turns yellow and *you* stop immediately?!?
Bullshit.
It's a judgement call every time the light turns yellow.
Sure, some people have shitty judgement, but that doesn't make your assinine absolutist nonsense even remotely sane in any way shape or form.
"Driver in front never at fault" laws are plan stupid.
Utah has such a law, and I was ticketed there (maybe 16 years ago?) for rear-ending someone; so to answer your question:
I got a ticket for speeding in Utah some years back. I was doing around 85 and got ticketed for doing around 85 so no story right?
No!
The cop had a "menu" of typical crimes and fines.
My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I laughed our asses off reading it because for what we spent on going 85 we could have fired a gun out of the vehicle (provided it didn't cause an accident...that would have been a bit (really! Not that much) more) *and* some other pretty ridiculous crime (far worse than speeding a well but I forget what we worked out) for less money.
Word to the wise. When driving through Utah, drive slow and fire away.
Any time you do not have a clear view of whether its safe to proceed, then you are following too close.
And two car lengths behind a semi is perfectly safe.
Following that far from a semi through an intersection is perfectly safe.
The color of the light is meaningless to safety in that situation.
So be honest, do you care at all about "people's lives", or do you just love authoritarianism because your post sure makes you seem like the latter since there is nothing supporting the former in it.
Here in Chicago, peope who get traffic camera tickets can go to a special city clerk court to fight the ticket. The accuser happens to be a representative of the city of Chicago, since the cameras are municipal property. Unfortunately, 99% of people who fight the tickets lose and have their fines *doubled*.
"Welcome to Chicago".
That's what I got from the cop who was ticketing my (multiply glitchy) moving truck when I moved here and the battery died while I was unloading.
Well, I did first manage to tell him that the service guy from the rental company was already on his way before he told me that.
I love this city, but the corruption is truly amazing.
Ron Paul in '08 - A true small government republican. - http://ronpaul2008.com/ [ronpaul2008.com]
Pah.
Republicans completely rejected the idea of small government when they pissed away Goldwater in favor of Reagan the terrorist funding crack dealer.
If Ron Paul grows a set of balls and runs as a Libertarian instead of just posting articles to Lou Rockwell's site, I'd vote for him.
Voting Republican *is* voting for the biggest government possible and ultimate corruption and nothing else.
"Republican" has meant biggest government and ultimate corruption for damn near 30 years now.
Wake up.
However, I agree that they seem to appear in revenue generating areas, which makes one wonder if they are really after safety or money.
I don't know about Canada, but in the US if you really think that debate wasn't dead and settled in favor of money years ago you're hopelessly naive.
As much as I think some cops are abusing their powers in those situation, I think ultimately their employer should be responsible.
Woohoo!!!! Fuck personal responsibility!!!!one!!!
They are the one paying them for doing that. They are the one who should handle the problem.
Awesome! I'm going out fucking 3 year olds tonight and I'll make my boss go to prison for it. You're the best!
You cant tell to a cop: you need to run red lights and go fast to catch the bad guy, but dont get into an accident or you are fired.
You just typed it. It's not really that much of a stretch to say it.
I dont think one particular officer should be responsible for following the rules and doing his job. Its not fair for him, if he is just doing what all other cops are doing, but he is the unlucky one. It should not be a loterry.
Yes, *every* particular officer should damn well be *more* responsible than an ordinary citizen.
With great power comes great *responsibility*.
Damn dude. Please do not ever have kids. They will be the worst pieces of shit we've seen is you're truly that deeply delusional, entirely divorced from reality and so contemptuous of people taking responsibility for their own fucking actions.
Still odd how much the Left in this world hates people who tell the truth.
Yet the actual, demonstrated fact is that they were lying sacks of shit. All you've managed to demonstrate is the entirely Orwellian "argument" line of the Republican party, which none but the dumbest of our species gives any credence to at this point (and only one step up from that has done in decades) given the total lack of anything worthwhile coming out of those biggest government douchebags since they pissed away all their stated beliefs once they rejected Goldwater in favor of absolute corruption.
Seriously, only cowards traitors and fools are left in that most corrupt party. I defy you to come up with an argument for being a Republican that doesn't fall into one or more of those.
Go on, I dare you to even try. You will fail completely and you damn well know it.
Swiftboats?!? That is the best fucking you have to make a pathetic and deeply dishonest defense of?!?
You sick subhuman animals have completely lost it, haven't you?
I would love to get a dual-core 939, but they aren't in stock in any store in Canada AFAICT.
Not sure if it's any help, but 939 Opterons work great for that as well... better than most of the X2s since all Opterons have 1MB cache per core and only some X2s do. Back a year and a half ago, the Opterons were even cheaper than the X2s as well. If you can find it for a good price, it's a great chip.
Thanks,
I never thought about that. It's certainly a reasonable point.
Did I get them all?
I'd go as far as
"At least i'm not on the side wanting to give the enemy all the aid and comfort." = If you are not with us, you are against us.
and toss in: "While giving aid and comfort to our enemies by continuing to stay deluded by these traitors" for the hat trick.
You nailed it though, Damvan.
The whole thing boiled down to zero informational content.
And truthfully, This is the exact reason Bush needs the patriot act and the secrecy surrounding holding enemy combatants. This is exactly why he needs the suspension of Habeas Corpus for some non citizens. And this is exactly why he need the process to be conducted in a secure manor.
But those of us who are not cowards would prefer to have some risk (even though even what there is is largely overblown) than to have a totalitarian society.
In fact, that's how this country came to be.
So your cowardice (don't whine ad hominem, a coward is exactly what *you* just declared yourself to be) and that of those like you is the gravest threat our nation faces or has ever faced.
Since you're too weak and cowardly to live in a free society, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or some other country where they already live under your favored system rather than working to fuck this place as well?
Oh yeah, that would take the courage of your convictions and you've already admitted to being a coward.
Libertarians love to be strict constitutionalists... except for that pesky 9th amendment, which they ignore.
I'm curious what you mean by this. Care to elaborate?
My guy never wins. NEVER. I'm zero for fifty or so...
I must be cursed. I'll be sure to vote for Hillary.
Please vote a few more times for other people as well
it would not matter if an entire state voted to allow medical weed, the feds just ignore it.
You're correct, except you shouldn't have put it in the hypothetical. California already legalized medical marijuana and the feds illegally went in and arrested people for engaging in perfectly legal activities.
or suffer the consequences of a new class of DUI drivers
Hot tip, they're already doing it. Therefore there is nothing new and your point has destroyed itself with only a tiny bit of actual thought. Perhaps you should have tried thinking about it for a second before posting such drivel.
. For me, the smoke is a migraine trigger and the only argument for legalization I can see even having the slightest merit is the medical one
Well, that's not how a free society works. You need to come up with an argument for illegalization.
Nobody has yet come up with an honest rational argument for that, so it should be legal.
Granted this isn't a free society hence drug laws which can only empower the police state and have no possible positive effects. Go ahead try to find one you will fail.
What'd Prohibition give us? The Mafia.
It also gave us the Kennedys, since Poppa Joe owned the trucks that carried it.
Chalk that one up in the positive or negative column as you see fit.