Why Iran thinks trying to develop them will keep them safe makes the mind boggle.
No, it doesn't make the mind boggle at all. It's very simple.
Nothing else will help keep them safe from us.
Now, pursuing the program might also make them less safe from us, but they have a difficult choice:
Sit around and wait for us to invade with or without a legitimate reason or make an attempt to defend themselves from our imperial aggression and quite possibly lose anyhow.
They have no good choice at all, so why does your mind boggle at the concept that people would try to defend themselves first before rolling over and giving up their liberty?
Can you really not put yourself in somebody else's shoes and try to look at the world from their viewpoint at all?
Macro evolution is, as far as I understand it, the transition from one species to another.
Then you do not understand it. At all. "Macro evolution" is a term creationists made up in order to pretend that there is an issue where there is none. Since you're clearly getting at least some of your information from those sources, it's no surprise that you have such a poor understanding of the issue as that is exactly what the people pushing the creationist agenda are trying to accomplish. It seems to have worked on you as you are repeating idiotic ideas which have been repeatedly debunked and proven to be nonsense.
I have recently converted to christianity and have been struggling to get my new found christian friends to open thier minds to the possiblity that evolution isn't complete BS. But the more I look the less proof I find.
Well, obviously, when you look to people who do not understand the issue and who further are actively working to disseminate known false information in order to intentionally deceive others, to provide you with "proof", then you aren't going to find any worthwhile information.
The fact that you're repeating this repeatedly refuted nonsense indicates that you really haven't put any effort whatsoever into understanding the ideas or looking for real substantive answers since a simple search would have turned up mountains of facts demonstrating the proven falsehood of the ideas you're promoting.
If you want this debate to go away, there's a very simple solution: school vouchers. Give people who disagree with evolution another option and their interest will largely disappear.
Utter nonsense. The debate doesn't exist because these people's children are taught science. The debate exists because these people want to force religion on everybody else period. Do a little research before spouting that ignorant crap.
Plus, isn't it true that Crossfire doesn't require 2 of the same make, model, and manufacturer cards like SLI does?
SLI used to require this, but it doesn't anymore. At least according to Nvidia. I don't have SLI since I prices haven't dropped since I bought the one back in January. Unless I get an open box, everything I've found is still *more* than I paid for the first one.
I suppose I could get a torque-measuring machine, and see which of the motions can supply more torque, but all that will do is determine whether or not I can bitch about it. And I'd rather bitch.
Well then the solution is simple. Measure the torque and if it comes out the right way, then bitch freely with supporting documentation. If it comes out the wrong way, then just ditch the evidence and you're right where you are now in regards to bitching;-)
Too bad we found out so late in the game, or I wouldnt have likely voted for him again.
Now, this kind of incredibly deluded intellectual dishonesty is what is killing this country.
*We* did find out long along ago. All of this was clearly going to be the result of a vote for Bush *in 2000*. Had you done anything at all to inform yourself about Bush, his friends associates and people he was courting for his cabinet then you would have already known this a long fucking time ago.
"We" didn't find out late in the game. You wilfully ignored every relevant fact for 6 fucking years. I knew in 2000 that a vote for Bush was a vote to invade Iraq and nothing else. You would have too if you had taken your responsibility as a citizen seriously.
You don't have a god damned leg to stand on or any right to be "pissed" about any of this. It's your fucking fault for not doing your god damned duty as a citizen and informing yourself before twice voting for the worst traitor in American history.
So, I'm glad you're finally starting to wake up and pay attention, but don't you dare pretend any of this is new news. Don't you fucking dare pretend that this isn't *exactly* what you voted for.
Seriously, the complete lack of personal responsibility you demonstrated in your post is endemic to the ignorant masses who voted for this douche bag.
So don't you fucking dare pretend that you're all surprissed and pissed off.
You caused this situation. Until you can honestly look at yourself and take responsibility for what *you* unleashed on this country due to your unwillingness to do your job, then nothing will change. Until you can figure out how you were so easilly fooled by blatantly obvious techniques that have been used repeatedly throughout history while people were telling you what was going on the whole time and you actually learn something from your easilly avoidable mistake, then you will be fooled over and over again as you already were in 2000 and 2004.
Seriously, take responsibility for your own actions.
Why don't you guys go and make life difficult for an actual bad guy and not people trying to protect you for once.
Because I'm not a complete and total idiot as I'd have to be to believe that they were actually trying to protect me.
Bush and friends *are* bad guys. Just because there are other bad guys in the world doesn't change that fact. The world really isn't as simple clear cut black and white as you so obviously wish it was.
Can anyone really believe that a war was fought for oil if it costs more (just in money!) to FIGHT the war than to just buy the oil?
Well, "for oil" is simplistic.
The costs of the war come out of our pockets and go to Haliburton and weapons manufacturers. The skyrocketed price of gas comes out of our pockets and goes to the oil companies along with billions of dollars of tax money given to them as a gift as well.
So, the mission was accomplished. Just you and the OP are both unclear on the actual mission.
Of course Iran and Saudi Arabia do that. So do the US. Car accidents kill about 42,000 people every year in the US alone: that's fourteen WTC attacks every year, that is more than once every month. Yet, people are scared of terrorists and not of their car.
Oh come on now.
*you* dying in a bloody mess in your car does not negatively affect the investments of people who own television stations or newspapers. How can you have the audacity to claim that your death is more important than their profits.
Say what you will about the doctored photos; the whole wahabi movement seems only intended to maintain the thrones, for the mere price of endless Palestinian AND Israeli suffering.
Can anyone source me confirmation on these hunches?
Well, This picture is certainly data relevant to your hunch. Feel free to ignore any real or imagined slant to the words in the article if you care to read it. I didn't. The picture was all I was looking for as it is one simple picture that demonstrates the one simple truth that the leader of Wahabism and the "Leader of the free world" are very close.
Heck, just do some simple reasearch into *how* rich the brutal Saudi dictators we fund arm and support are (while they funded the 9/11 terrorists, of course. Plenty of Saudis there. No Iraqis though, sad to say).
To get an idea as to how tenuous the rule of those who most sell hatred of America (while holding hands with our leader) is, just look into how depraved (by the inhuman standards they push on their essentially enslaved populace) they are while Eliting around Europe and the States drinking, drugging and fucking.
Heck, Saddam was even a different type of Muslim from the Saudis and their terrorist agents who attacked us. They were armed, trained amd funded with our dollars by their ruler who was playing kissy face with our "Dear Leader".
Take a deep look at that picture.
That explains everything about the current state of affairs.
I assumed we would be using liberal and conservative in American sense of the terms, here. I honestly didn't believe clarification would actually be necessary.
How much time do you spend discussing politics with the general public? Finding somebody who actually knows that that term used to mean something different is a rare event IMHO;-)
oddly enough, as the left moves further away from classical liberalism, the conservatives in this country are closer to its founding principles than the liberals are.
I just don't buy that. Gay hatred and fear of terrorists are about the only thing holding the Republican party together right now. A huge percentage of the party has as their primary goal the complete destruction of the republic in favor of a theocracy. Now, if you mean that it's similar in the sense that it was a few rich white men owning nearly everything while everybody else had nothing, then I'd agree with that. That's certainly the direction the Republicans are taking us.
I find this to be a very interesting article. The author develops a political spectrum which I find to be faqr more accurate and useful than the standard left right, or the Nolan Chart. Basically he defines the Left and the Right in terms of their opposition to (Classical) Liberalism.
Lets face it, the Republican party has been a lot more diverse in its ideas and theories than the dogmaticized left. Liberals force everyone in their party to conform; of course Bush has doctrinized the party more than I like, but he has lost support from republicans due to that. I tend to take a more pluralistic and systemic view, and liberalism in the U.S. today attempts to completely deny the impact that the very composition of our society has; ultimately, I fear that we will only loose rights to the liberals.
Oh come on now. The main reason that the Republicans gained so much power was that they goosestepped in time and rabidly attacked anybody who stepped out of line at all. think "RINO". The Democrats have a far more diverse base with far more diverse and disparate goals which is the primary reason they are unable to present a united front. I'm certainly not trying to claim the Democrats are good. They just aren't as good at being evil as the Republicans are. The Democrats absolutely like to take rights away, but they've never had the power or focus to do so at the level that the Republicans have in just the last 6 years. Pretending that either party is interested in small government is laughable. Pretending that either party supports anything approaching Classical Liberalism where individual liberty is key is likewise laughable. They both believe in huge oppressive government. Referencing the ideas presented in the link I gave above, the Left agrees with the fundamental tenet of Liberalism: "We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal". They however, believe that the power of the state should be used to promote that. For examples of that idea gone horribly wrong, just look at the USSR etc. The Right, on the other hand disagrees with that fundamental premise and believes that the power of the state should be used against the people to prevent equality and to keep those on top on top. Just look at the gay hatred amendment. That is a perfect example of exactly that. The Republicans are the party of racists. Sure there are plenty of Republicans who aren't racist, but once the Democrats started pushing civil rights, all the racist scumbags left the party en masse and went to the Republicans. So while they try to keep that on the DL, the racist douchebags are a voting block which the Republicans have to cater to. Similarly with the Religious extremists.
So pretending that the Democrats force people to conform is silly. They can't even get enough of a consensus to get anything done.
As far as wiretaps, that's not a conservative liberal issue. Lets not forget that before Al Gore was blue in the face casti
Funny, I always thought it was the liberals who want to give the government control.
Guess what? We're both right.
As a conservative, I try to keep the government out of the free market as much as is possible.
That's fine. The only problem is that if you believe that and you vote Republican, then your shooting yourself in the foot. Republicans have been bigger-government-than-Democrat police state spending like a drunk sailor types since at least 1980.
I learned a lesson when I was a small child which still serves me to this day: Actions speak louder than words.
As sad and pathetic as this may be, it's true nonetheless: Out of the 2 major parties, the Democrats are the only one with *any* fiscal responsibility. Keep in mind I'm not denying your idea that they're not responsible. That's how bad it is at this point.
Liberalism merely takes away peoples individual rights and responsibilities and makes them entirely dependant upon the government.
Technically, neoLiberalism does. Classical Liberalism is the foundation of this country. Similarly, neo conservatism does the same and that is what is driving the current Republican party and has been for decades.
There is absolutely no link between that definition and the Republican party.
We've already established that you have had your head buried in the sand for at least the last 6 years. To actually make such a ridiculous statement makes you look like a fool.
I have yet to see Republicans promote a certain race above the individual.
You might notice that the definition you gave had "often" in relation to that, so nice try. They do exalt the state above all at every opportunity in direct contradiction of the spirit and letter of the constitution.
I have yet to see any form of a centralized autocratic governement form.
Open your eyes then. That isn't even recent.
I have yet to see a dictorial leader (President Bush has the same amount of power as presidents before him).
What exactly do you think the entire freaking debate about criminal warrantless spying on Americans, the treasonous outing of a CIA agent and most of the other scandals of this administration are about. Like I said, open your eyes and pay attention. It is your most important responsibility and you have totally failed to do so.
There are no severe economic and social regimentation, and definately not any forcible supression of opposition.
Please. What do you call secret meetings to set energy policy where we the people are denied even the ability to know who was there setting our policies with no possibility of oversight by us. That is a canonical example of exactly what you just said doesn't exist. It's really easy to see reality if you have the courage to look. Free speech zones are forcible suppression of opposition. Kidnapping people and sending off to torture camps is forcible suppression of opposition.
In fact, you may not want to admit this, but guess what, the Republicans are working under the same Constitution and guidelines that everyone else is.
Then why is there so much concern over their unconstitutional actions you fucking moron. That is what the vast majority of the opposition to Bush, his administration, and the Republican dominated congress is all about.
The treasonous domestic spying program is totally unconstitutional.
So, no, the Republicans are not working under the constitution. They are working against it in order to dismantle its protections of the people and its limitations on government power. Again, that's the majority of the issue. How is it possible that you are too stupid to know the primary problems facing our nation?
So if you plan on calling Republicans facists, I expect some real reasons not just some namecalling.
Every tinme they pass laws promoting business against the people. When they give massively profitable oil companies billions of dollars stolesn from the citizens. When they continually hype the threat of terrorism in order to further undermine the constitution. When they try to amend the constitution to specifically discriminate against a hated group.
All of those are fascist actions.
Your next fact: Republicans "torture and murder people". Name one example of when the Republican party supported torture and/or murder. These are just more unsupported buzzwords in your argument to make you sound justified.
I gave you two links already to examples of exactly that. The fact that you are not even aware of one of the biggest scandals in American politics today is truly illustrative of your general ignorance which you repeatedly demonstrate.
Unpleasant facts are still facts. Burying your head in the sand and pretending they aren't happening is the hallmark of a coward.
So it's hardly "unsupported" when I already gave you links. You find the facts uncomfortable, so you ignore them and then pretend not to have been presented with them. You are a coward as demonstrated by your own actions and statements.
I would also like to see how the Republicans are destroying your freedom, while their primary objective is
To be totally honest, I've never read a series of comments that made me so angry, and made me think, Jesus Christ, what a goddamn fuckwit. Rot in hell, you condescending, generalizing son of a bitch.
The word you're looking for is "patriot". It's sad you so despise that idea, but really, that is the primary problem we're facing. Maybe you should try to be part of the solution instead of the problem? Being lied to, used, and seeing my rights being ripped away makes me far more angry than you are. I'm actuallly angry about real events that are occurring though. You're angry because your nose is being rubbed in your mess and you'd rather ignore the consequences of your actions.
I don't need to refute statements such as those, they refute themselves simply based on their own stupidity and absurdity.
Like I said, you are unable to refute simple basic facts. You continue to be unable to do so. If it's so simple, you would be able to do so, but since every fact is on my side, you constantly fail it.
I'm not sure what news channel your watching, but the United States doesn't have toture and murder camps, the terrorists do.
Sure, We're all good and Eurasia (or is it Eastasia) are all bad. That's a really sane proposition.
Seriously, Sparky, your contempt for decency is blinding you from basic simple facts.
If it was a police state, you wouldn't be able to have this discussion with me. Instead you would be hauled away and shot.
Hence the 'ing' on 'turning'. Are your reading comprehension skills truly at that poor of a level?
I'm curious, since you seem to have all the answers, how would you deal with the war?
Wars on concepts are doomed to failure. Especially, when we do have some culpability in creating the conditions that foster hatred of us. As you're a Republican, you have an absolutist black and white view of the world which rejects reality and so you can't conceive of any sane method of addressing the problem.
I would deal with the "war" by not having started it in order to push a fascist agenda. It really is that simple, Sparky. Go into somebody's house and murder their family and they get pissed. You should have learned that before you hit kindergarten.
I would have invaded Afghanistan. I would have actually finished the job there instead of using the attacks as an excuse to push an invasion which has nothing to do with the attacks that promoted said invasion. When you lie to the world and go murder a bunch of people, you lose all integrity and all respect.
You hate Republicans because you are too retarded to do anything else.
No, I hate Republicans due to specific actions they have willingly taken to promote their fascist agenda. You have yet to refute one of them. I challenge you to. In fact, I defy you.
You believe all the lies and propaganda
No, that would be you. There is no other reason to keep supporting the Republicans at this point when their lies have put us where we are.
Right now, Repulicans make an easy scapegoat because of the media, so idiots like you think you know what the hell you're talking about due to mob mentality.
I've been saying the same things for years. The fact that the media is finally addressing a few of the Republican crimes is good although surprising, but the patheticness of your straight from the talking points whine about "the media" is laughable. You're too cowardly to deal with the true costs of your decisions so you seek to blame anybody but yourself. It's typical of the utter lack of personal responsibility which is endemic to your sort of coward.
Over the couse of how many posts, you have yet to post something that actually provides proof to any of your claims.
I'm stating sinmple basic facts which are as clear as "The sky is blue". You have yet to provide a refutation of any of my statements. Your insane rantings about how the evil media is attacking the poor innocent Republicans while demonstrating your complete ignorance of current events does nothing but prove that you don't even pay attention. How am I supposed to prove anything to a person who disregards reality?
You honestly believe that Republicans are murderous facists?? You honestly believe that Republicans murder and torture people? (btw, that makes your sig very ironic) You honestly believe that Republicans are destroying your freedom? If you have answered yes to any of these questions, then just stop talking. You honestly don't know anything about what your talking about.
I don't know what I'm talking about? Then why were you unable to refute a single one of those statements? Your inability to pay attention to current events does not mean that I need to give up my freedom of speech, regardless of how hard the Republicans are trying to do that in order to push their fascist agenda. The fact that you're too ignorant to know what fascism is doesn't strip me of my rights. Your idiotic voting choices are doing exactly that though.
Number one, Republicans do not hate homosexuals. I have plenty of homosexual friends and I don't hate them. Preaching hatred is what your doing, not what the Republicans are doing. I have never seen any hatred expressed towards homesexuals or Muslims. Do not confuse Catholic teachings with Republican dogma
What utter nonsense. Republicans are attempting for the first time in hstory to alter the Constitution for the sole purpose of discriminating against gays. You must have a bizarre new definition of hatred that means something totally different. The only argument they can give is that the homosexuals are trying to "destroy marriage". That's a clear expressoion of hatred given that there is nothing to back up that statement which is a direct attack.
"Wow, I don't hate black people. I have plenty of black friends...I do support the KKK though." Replace blacks with gays and KKK with Republicans and that's exactly what you said and it's complete crap.
I would love for you to give me one example. ONE EXAMPLE. of when Republicans used fear and or hatred to drive an agenda.
Wow, you're laughable. Pick one agenda they've driven.
The war in Iraq is a great example, the gay hatred amendment, the torture and murder camps. All of them were driven by fear and hatred. That statement was utterly insane and idiotic. At least try to pretend there is anything reasonable in your stance. We both know there isn't, but you could at least try.
Ok, now lets take a look at the records of the Democrats:
Why bother? Show me where I supported them and you will have proven yourself to be something besides a partisan douchebag. As it is, you can't demonstrate anything of the sort, so you know hwere that leaves you.
The main point here is that you are accusing Republicans of hatred, yet you are doing so with such hatred that you invalidate your own point. If you want to debate me or convince me, you had better start providing some examples and some coherent thoughts.
I do hate Republicans. Each and every one of them. It isn't anything that invalidates my point though. My point is that they are deserving of hatred due to their own actions which are disgusting, abominable, and unsupportable by any decent human being. They hate blindly ignorantly and without any valid reason due solely to greed on the part of the leaqders and cowardace and ignorance on the part of the followers.
I hate those who are actively turning my country into a police state.
There is a fundamental difference between those 2 positions which you clearly fail to grasp.
Debating with you is pointless since you are either completely uninformed or a liar. Hell, your "show me on example of a hate driven agenda" proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt. Convincing you of anything rational is clearly impossible as well since if you had any ability to see reason, you would have already been swayed by the vast mountain of fascist cowardly treasonous actions taken by this administration.
I do agree with him about your signature. Even if it is a joke, it detracts from the impact of your message. Kind of like the "Anyone but Bush" thing. Would people really want Kim Jong-il as our leader?
Well, if you agree with him, then you can surely demonstrate how it is hypocritical? Thought not.
Saying it detracts from the impact of my message is an entirely different subject. It might well be true, but I'm not a complete idiot so I'm not suffering under the illusion that it's possible to convince anybody who still supports the Republicans of anything whatsoever using reason. They have proven themselves to be beyond the reach of reason. If not, we wouldn't be in our current situation. To be in that camp right now demonstrates a complete lack of thought, insight, integrity, honor, decency, morality, or critical thinking.
So honestly, there is no point in trying to convince them of anything since they believe insane ridiculous nonsense and are willing to throw away everything decent in humanity.
It's certainly not a joke. Republicans have declared all out war on American values and the constitution and so murdering them *is* an act of patriotism. I challenge you to refute that statement.
Don't kid yourself that they aren't already doing it. There are torture camps set up in third world shitholes. We kidnap people nad send them there to be tortured and murdered and neither you nor I have any way of knowing if they've done anything wrong. Hell, we know for a fact that at least one innocent man was kidnapped, sent away and tortured and you and I paid to have that done.
That is who and what the Republicans are. That is their defining characteristic. So what's your solution? Appeasement? Worked real well in preventing WW2, didn't it.
The simple fact is that anybody who still supports the Republicans has earned murder bacause it's what they promote. Pretend that we're not at that point yet all you want, but all you'll get out of it is to see their sick agenda promoted.
Yes, I am. Would you care to point out how the fact I stated is in any way delusional? Good luck with that. To do so you will first have to demonstrate definitions of "decent" and "sane" which allow for active support of the torture and murder of innocent people. Like I said, good luck.
The sad thing is that you can vote. You preach the hate you condemn.
No, I don't. I hate people who actively seek to destroy my freedoms and torture and murder innocent people. It's that simple. How is that preaching hate exactly?
Could you please be more specific? Cause I am looking everywhere, and I don't see any major political group in American that preaches any of that. Get rid of your bias, and come back when you actually have any real facts or knowledge.
Then you haven't been paying attention for a long time. That is pretty much entirely the Republican agenda. Gay hatred is the single issue that made the difference in the 2004 election. Hatred of Moslems is the Republican selling poinbt on their rape of the constitution. Name one fucking issue where the Republicans haven't used fear and hatred to drive their agenda.
And the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It's not an insult, it's a simple statement of fact.
Well, for that to be fact you would have to do 2 things. 1, you would need to demonstrate anything hypocritical about the statement I made. 2, you would have to demonstrate that I'm a Liberal (by which you clearly don't mean "classical Liberal"). Both of those are impossible, so you fail it.
Who else would write "How else do you explain their support for setting up torture and murder camps all over the world..." with a signature like "Be a patriot: Murder a Republican."
Murdering innocent people is wrong. Defending yourself against the predations of amoral murderous scum is basic common sense. It's not a difficult concept there, Sparky. The fact that you can miss something that obvious is testament to either your idiocy, or the deeply dishonest nature of your character.
I guess the problem lies with the fact that no one I know, republican or otherwise, supports "setting up torture and murder camps."
I guess the problem actually lies in the fact that you do not have the integrity to take responsibility for your own actions. If you still support the Republicans at this point then you *do* support setting up torture and murder camps all over the owrld because those you support are doing it and they can only do it because evil people like yourself support them in doing exactly that. Take some responsibility for your choices, and have the courage to admit you were wrong. That's the only way we can have any hope of restoring a free society which *your* actions have worked to destroy.
We just realize that, for example, touching someone's koran isn't "torture." Or maybe, for example, we know that the incidents at Abu Ghraib were isolated incidents conducted by a few morons who deserved to be punished, and that doesn't make Abu Ghraib some hell-hole of a detention facility.
Wow, are you intentionally ignoring that actual point or are you that deeply out of touch with reality?
In the first place we do not know that Abu Ghraib were " isolated incidents conducted by a few morons who deserved to be punished". We know absolutely that those types of actions were championed directly from the top of this administration. Whether or not specific orders were given in that specific case are irrelevant. This administration has stood up and publically stated that they will torture people. Also, it was a lot more than just touching a Koran. Your complete lack of a moral compass is demonstrated quite clearly there.
In the second place, as you well know unless you are totally out of touch with reality, Abu Ghraib is just the tip of the iceberg. Unless you'ree so stupid that you think one prison in Iraq is "all over the world".
We do have torture camps in many 3rd world shit holes where we kidnap innocent (and guilty) people and send them off to be tortured and murdered. This is all public info, Sparky.
Be a man, not a cowardly little bitch and admit that you support the torture and murder of innocents *or* stop supporting the Republicans. You can't have it both ways.
Or maybe it's the "fact" that people on our side who are commiting atrocities are being tried and punished, while people on the other side commiting atrocities get sympathy from people like you.
Show me where I've given sympathy to *anybody* who commits those actions against innocents. That's right, *you can't*. That's because, unlike you, I don't support such things.
Show me also where Bush and his entire administration have been tried and punished. Oh right, you can't do that either. Because it hasn't happened. Wow, some low level military personell were scapegoated. Way to support the troops there, Sparky.
See, I can spout nonsense, too... and I can even state "it's a fact" because that somehow makes it true!
But I can actually demonstrate that what you are spouting is nonsense. You can't do that for what I said. Big difference there.
Wow dude, you might just win the "Most delusional idiot in the world" award for that bit of nonsense.
Because at the moment, it is cool to be a Democrat. The media has done a very good job of creating a bandwagon of GOP haters.
That right there is truly amazing in the deep level of dishonesty and delusion it demonstrates.
It is not cool to be a Democrat. It is *sane* to hate the Republicans, which is why it is impossible to find one single decent, sane human being alive today who still supports that groups of murderous fascists.
"The media" didn't do a damn thing to create any such thing. The Republicans themselves by their calculated actions have done that entirely by themselves. By promoting an agenda entirely driven by hate, lies, murder and torture, the Republicans willingly and with malice aforethought have entirely alienated every single decent human being in the world without exception.
The media has become so one sided, that Democrats can get away with murder and Republicans can't get away with not crossing a t.
Wow, you're truly a deeply disturbed person with no grip on reality whatsoever. Or just a lying sack of shit. It's hard to tell.
The Republicans have literally gotten away with mass murder with the aid of the one sided media. It's reality and it's right in front of you. If you actually believe that idiotic bile you spewed, then you are quite literally dumber than a bag of rocks.
By the way, I am not out to change your political views. I respect everyone's opinion, even those who disagree with my own. Political conflict is one of the things that make our nation great. All I ask is that you see things from my point of view.
The problem with this is that your "point of view" isn't a point of view at all. All you did was spout some idiotic lies. If you had any integrity whatsoever, then you would know that. You quite clearly do not have any.
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Why Iran thinks trying to develop them will keep them safe makes the mind boggle.
No, it doesn't make the mind boggle at all.
It's very simple.
Nothing else will help keep them safe from us.
Now, pursuing the program might also make them less safe from us, but they have a difficult choice:
Sit around and wait for us to invade with or without a legitimate reason or make an attempt to defend themselves from our imperial aggression and quite possibly lose anyhow.
They have no good choice at all, so why does your mind boggle at the concept that people would try to defend themselves first before rolling over and giving up their liberty?
Can you really not put yourself in somebody else's shoes and try to look at the world from their viewpoint at all?
Do not make the mistake of thinking that Bush represents the conservatives in America. He does not, and most of us are as tired of him as you are.
You have a funny way of apologizing.
Macro evolution is, as far as I understand it, the transition from one species to another.
Then you do not understand it. At all.
"Macro evolution" is a term creationists made up in order to pretend that there is an issue where there is none.
Since you're clearly getting at least some of your information from those sources, it's no surprise that you have such a poor understanding of the issue as that is exactly what the people pushing the creationist agenda are trying to accomplish.
It seems to have worked on you as you are repeating idiotic ideas which have been repeatedly debunked and proven to be nonsense.
I have recently converted to christianity and have been struggling to get my new found christian friends to open thier minds to the possiblity that evolution isn't complete BS. But the more I look the less proof I find.
Well, obviously, when you look to people who do not understand the issue and who further are actively working to disseminate known false information in order to intentionally deceive others, to provide you with "proof", then you aren't going to find any worthwhile information.
The fact that you're repeating this repeatedly refuted nonsense indicates that you really haven't put any effort whatsoever into understanding the ideas or looking for real substantive answers since a simple search would have turned up mountains of facts demonstrating the proven falsehood of the ideas you're promoting.
I had a pretty hot abstract algebra prof. once.
Zimmerman?
If you want this debate to go away, there's a very simple solution: school vouchers. Give people who disagree with evolution another option and their interest will largely disappear.
Utter nonsense.
The debate doesn't exist because these people's children are taught science. The debate exists because these people want to force religion on everybody else period. Do a little research before spouting that ignorant crap.
Plus, isn't it true that Crossfire doesn't require 2 of the same make, model, and manufacturer cards like SLI does?
SLI used to require this, but it doesn't anymore. At least according to Nvidia. I don't have SLI since I prices haven't dropped since I bought the one back in January. Unless I get an open box, everything I've found is still *more* than I paid for the first one.
I suppose I could get a torque-measuring machine, and see which of the motions can supply more torque, but all that will do is determine whether or not I can bitch about it. And I'd rather bitch.
;-)
Well then the solution is simple. Measure the torque and if it comes out the right way, then bitch freely with supporting documentation. If it comes out the wrong way, then just ditch the evidence and you're right where you are now in regards to bitching
Too bad we found out so late in the game, or I wouldnt have likely voted for him again.
Now, this kind of incredibly deluded intellectual dishonesty is what is killing this country.
*We* did find out long along ago.
All of this was clearly going to be the result of a vote for Bush *in 2000*. Had you done anything at all to inform yourself about Bush, his friends associates and people he was courting for his cabinet then you would have already known this a long fucking time ago.
"We" didn't find out late in the game. You wilfully ignored every relevant fact for 6 fucking years. I knew in 2000 that a vote for Bush was a vote to invade Iraq and nothing else. You would have too if you had taken your responsibility as a citizen seriously.
You don't have a god damned leg to stand on or any right to be "pissed" about any of this.
It's your fucking fault for not doing your god damned duty as a citizen and informing yourself before twice voting for the worst traitor in American history.
So, I'm glad you're finally starting to wake up and pay attention, but don't you dare pretend any of this is new news.
Don't you fucking dare pretend that this isn't *exactly* what you voted for.
Seriously, the complete lack of personal responsibility you demonstrated in your post is endemic to the ignorant masses who voted for this douche bag.
So don't you fucking dare pretend that you're all surprissed and pissed off.
You caused this situation.
Until you can honestly look at yourself and take responsibility for what *you* unleashed on this country due to your unwillingness to do your job, then nothing will change.
Until you can figure out how you were so easilly fooled by blatantly obvious techniques that have been used repeatedly throughout history while people were telling you what was going on the whole time and you actually learn something from your easilly avoidable mistake, then you will be fooled over and over again as you already were in 2000 and 2004.
Seriously, take responsibility for your own actions.
Why don't you guys go and make life difficult for an actual bad guy and not people trying to protect you for once.
Because I'm not a complete and total idiot as I'd have to be to believe that they were actually trying to protect me.
Bush and friends *are* bad guys. Just because there are other bad guys in the world doesn't change that fact.
The world really isn't as simple clear cut black and white as you so obviously wish it was.
It pleases me that my government cares more about prosecuting a war against a deadly enemy than placating danty sensibilities in Europe.
If you believe that that is what they are doing, then you are a fool, plain and simple.
This is a complete replay of the rise of the Nazis right down to the continental pacifism and denial. Israel is your Poland/Czechoslovakia.
It is a complete replay, except for the fact that Iraq was their Poland and once again Europe is trying appeasement. It won't work this time either.
Can anyone really believe that a war was fought for oil if it costs more (just in money!) to FIGHT the war than to just buy the oil?
Well, "for oil" is simplistic.
The costs of the war come out of our pockets and go to Haliburton and weapons manufacturers.
The skyrocketed price of gas comes out of our pockets and goes to the oil companies along with billions of dollars of tax money given to them as a gift as well.
So, the mission was accomplished. Just you and the OP are both unclear on the actual mission.
solution to the stealing the mouse balls - get a laser mouse instead
Yeah, but then people would just steal the frickin lasers, strap them to shark's heads and then we'd be in real trouble.
Of course Iran and Saudi Arabia do that. So do the US. Car accidents kill about 42,000 people every year in the US alone: that's fourteen WTC attacks every year, that is more than once every month. Yet, people are scared of terrorists and not of their car.
Oh come on now.
*you* dying in a bloody mess in your car does not negatively affect the investments of people who own television stations or newspapers.
How can you have the audacity to claim that your death is more important than their profits.
What kind of an American are you?
Say what you will about the doctored photos; the whole wahabi movement seems only intended to maintain the thrones, for the mere price of endless Palestinian AND Israeli suffering.
Can anyone source me confirmation on these hunches?
Well, This picture is certainly data relevant to your hunch.
Feel free to ignore any real or imagined slant to the words in the article if you care to read it. I didn't. The picture was all I was looking for as it is one simple picture that demonstrates the one simple truth that the leader of Wahabism and the "Leader of the free world" are very close.
Heck, just do some simple reasearch into *how* rich the brutal Saudi dictators we fund arm and support are (while they funded the 9/11 terrorists, of course. Plenty of Saudis there. No Iraqis though, sad to say).
To get an idea as to how tenuous the rule of those who most sell hatred of America (while holding hands with our leader) is, just look into how depraved (by the inhuman standards they push on their essentially enslaved populace) they are while Eliting around Europe and the States drinking, drugging and fucking.
Heck, Saddam was even a different type of Muslim from the Saudis and their terrorist agents who attacked us. They were armed, trained amd funded with our dollars by their ruler who was playing kissy face with our "Dear Leader".
Take a deep look at that picture.
That explains everything about the current state of affairs.
Grumble....
by "this" above, I meant this
I assumed we would be using liberal and conservative in American sense of the terms, here. I honestly didn't believe clarification would actually be necessary.
;-)
How much time do you spend discussing politics with the general public? Finding somebody who actually knows that that term used to mean something different is a rare event IMHO
oddly enough, as the left moves further away from classical liberalism, the conservatives in this country are closer to its founding principles than the liberals are.
I just don't buy that.
Gay hatred and fear of terrorists are about the only thing holding the Republican party together right now.
A huge percentage of the party has as their primary goal the complete destruction of the republic in favor of a theocracy.
Now, if you mean that it's similar in the sense that it was a few rich white men owning nearly everything while everybody else had nothing, then I'd agree with that. That's certainly the direction the Republicans are taking us.
I find this to be a very interesting article. The author develops a political spectrum which I find to be faqr more accurate and useful than the standard left right, or the Nolan Chart.
Basically he defines the Left and the Right in terms of their opposition to (Classical) Liberalism.
Lets face it, the Republican party has been a lot more diverse in its ideas and theories than the dogmaticized left. Liberals force everyone in their party to conform; of course Bush has doctrinized the party more than I like, but he has lost support from republicans due to that. I tend to take a more pluralistic and systemic view, and liberalism in the U.S. today attempts to completely deny the impact that the very composition of our society has; ultimately, I fear that we will only loose rights to the liberals.
Oh come on now.
The main reason that the Republicans gained so much power was that they goosestepped in time and rabidly attacked anybody who stepped out of line at all. think "RINO".
The Democrats have a far more diverse base with far more diverse and disparate goals which is the primary reason they are unable to present a united front.
I'm certainly not trying to claim the Democrats are good. They just aren't as good at being evil as the Republicans are.
The Democrats absolutely like to take rights away, but they've never had the power or focus to do so at the level that the Republicans have in just the last 6 years.
Pretending that either party is interested in small government is laughable. Pretending that either party supports anything approaching Classical Liberalism where individual liberty is key is likewise laughable. They both believe in huge oppressive government.
Referencing the ideas presented in the link I gave above, the Left agrees with the fundamental tenet of Liberalism: "We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal". They however, believe that the power of the state should be used to promote that. For examples of that idea gone horribly wrong, just look at the USSR etc.
The Right, on the other hand disagrees with that fundamental premise and believes that the power of the state should be used against the people to prevent equality and to keep those on top on top.
Just look at the gay hatred amendment. That is a perfect example of exactly that. The Republicans are the party of racists. Sure there are plenty of Republicans who aren't racist, but once the Democrats started pushing civil rights, all the racist scumbags left the party en masse and went to the Republicans. So while they try to keep that on the DL, the racist douchebags are a voting block which the Republicans have to cater to.
Similarly with the Religious extremists.
So pretending that the Democrats force people to conform is silly. They can't even get enough of a consensus to get anything done.
As far as wiretaps, that's not a conservative liberal issue. Lets not forget that before Al Gore was blue in the face casti
Funny, I always thought it was the liberals who want to give the government control.
Guess what? We're both right.
As a conservative, I try to keep the government out of the free market as much as is possible.
That's fine. The only problem is that if you believe that and you vote Republican, then your shooting yourself in the foot.
Republicans have been bigger-government-than-Democrat police state spending like a drunk sailor types since at least 1980.
I learned a lesson when I was a small child which still serves me to this day:
Actions speak louder than words.
As sad and pathetic as this may be, it's true nonetheless:
Out of the 2 major parties, the Democrats are the only one with *any* fiscal responsibility. Keep in mind I'm not denying your idea that they're not responsible. That's how bad it is at this point.
Liberalism merely takes away peoples individual rights and responsibilities and makes them entirely dependant upon the government.
Technically, neoLiberalism does. Classical Liberalism is the foundation of this country.
Similarly, neo conservatism does the same and that is what is driving the current Republican party and has been for decades.
There is absolutely no link between that definition and the Republican party.
We've already established that you have had your head buried in the sand for at least the last 6 years. To actually make such a ridiculous statement makes you look like a fool.
I have yet to see Republicans promote a certain race above the individual.
You might notice that the definition you gave had "often" in relation to that, so nice try.
They do exalt the state above all at every opportunity in direct contradiction of the spirit and letter of the constitution.
I have yet to see any form of a centralized autocratic governement form.
Open your eyes then. That isn't even recent.
I have yet to see a dictorial leader (President Bush has the same amount of power as presidents before him).
What exactly do you think the entire freaking debate about criminal warrantless spying on Americans, the treasonous outing of a CIA agent and most of the other scandals of this administration are about.
Like I said, open your eyes and pay attention. It is your most important responsibility and you have totally failed to do so.
There are no severe economic and social regimentation, and definately not any forcible supression of opposition.
Please. What do you call secret meetings to set energy policy where we the people are denied even the ability to know who was there setting our policies with no possibility of oversight by us. That is a canonical example of exactly what you just said doesn't exist. It's really easy to see reality if you have the courage to look.
Free speech zones are forcible suppression of opposition. Kidnapping people and sending off to torture camps is forcible suppression of opposition.
In fact, you may not want to admit this, but guess what, the Republicans are working under the same Constitution and guidelines that everyone else is.
Then why is there so much concern over their unconstitutional actions you fucking moron. That is what the vast majority of the opposition to Bush, his administration, and the Republican dominated congress is all about.
The treasonous domestic spying program is totally unconstitutional.
So, no, the Republicans are not working under the constitution. They are working against it in order to dismantle its protections of the people and its limitations on government power.
Again, that's the majority of the issue.
How is it possible that you are too stupid to know the primary problems facing our nation?
So if you plan on calling Republicans facists, I expect some real reasons not just some namecalling.
Every tinme they pass laws promoting business against the people. When they give massively profitable oil companies billions of dollars stolesn from the citizens. When they continually hype the threat of terrorism in order to further undermine the constitution. When they try to amend the constitution to specifically discriminate against a hated group.
All of those are fascist actions.
Your next fact: Republicans "torture and murder people". Name one example of when the Republican party supported torture and/or murder. These are just more unsupported buzzwords in your argument to make you sound justified.
I gave you two links already to examples of exactly that. The fact that you are not even aware of one of the biggest scandals in American politics today is truly illustrative of your general ignorance which you repeatedly demonstrate.
Unpleasant facts are still facts. Burying your head in the sand and pretending they aren't happening is the hallmark of a coward.
So it's hardly "unsupported" when I already gave you links. You find the facts uncomfortable, so you ignore them and then pretend not to have been presented with them. You are a coward as demonstrated by your own actions and statements.
I would also like to see how the Republicans are destroying your freedom, while their primary objective is
To be totally honest, I've never read a series of comments that made me so angry, and made me think, Jesus Christ, what a goddamn fuckwit. Rot in hell, you condescending, generalizing son of a bitch.
The word you're looking for is "patriot". It's sad you so despise that idea, but really, that is the primary problem we're facing. Maybe you should try to be part of the solution instead of the problem?
Being lied to, used, and seeing my rights being ripped away makes me far more angry than you are.
I'm actuallly angry about real events that are occurring though. You're angry because your nose is being rubbed in your mess and you'd rather ignore the consequences of your actions.
I don't need to refute statements such as those, they refute themselves simply based on their own stupidity and absurdity.
Like I said, you are unable to refute simple basic facts. You continue to be unable to do so. If it's so simple, you would be able to do so, but since every fact is on my side, you constantly fail it.
I'm not sure what news channel your watching, but the United States doesn't have toture and murder camps, the terrorists do.
Sure, We're all good and Eurasia (or is it Eastasia) are all bad. That's a really sane proposition.
The existence of The School of the Americas proves you to be a delusional idiotic liar.
The CIA torture camps we're sending people to do likewise.
Seriously, Sparky, your contempt for decency is blinding you from basic simple facts.
If it was a police state, you wouldn't be able to have this discussion with me. Instead you would be hauled away and shot.
Hence the 'ing' on 'turning'. Are your reading comprehension skills truly at that poor of a level?
I'm curious, since you seem to have all the answers, how would you deal with the war?
Wars on concepts are doomed to failure. Especially, when we do have some culpability in creating the conditions that foster hatred of us. As you're a Republican, you have an absolutist black and white view of the world which rejects reality and so you can't conceive of any sane method of addressing the problem.
I would deal with the "war" by not having started it in order to push a fascist agenda. It really is that simple, Sparky. Go into somebody's house and murder their family and they get pissed. You should have learned that before you hit kindergarten.
I would have invaded Afghanistan. I would have actually finished the job there instead of using the attacks as an excuse to push an invasion which has nothing to do with the attacks that promoted said invasion.
When you lie to the world and go murder a bunch of people, you lose all integrity and all respect.
You hate Republicans because you are too retarded to do anything else.
No, I hate Republicans due to specific actions they have willingly taken to promote their fascist agenda. You have yet to refute one of them.
I challenge you to. In fact, I defy you.
You believe all the lies and propaganda
No, that would be you. There is no other reason to keep supporting the Republicans at this point when their lies have put us where we are.
Right now, Repulicans make an easy scapegoat because of the media, so idiots like you think you know what the hell you're talking about due to mob mentality.
I've been saying the same things for years. The fact that the media is finally addressing a few of the Republican crimes is good although surprising, but the patheticness of your straight from the talking points whine about "the media" is laughable.
You're too cowardly to deal with the true costs of your decisions so you seek to blame anybody but yourself. It's typical of the utter lack of personal responsibility which is endemic to your sort of coward.
Over the couse of how many posts, you have yet to post something that actually provides proof to any of your claims.
I'm stating sinmple basic facts which are as clear as "The sky is blue".
You have yet to provide a refutation of any of my statements. Your insane rantings about how the evil media is attacking the poor innocent Republicans while demonstrating your complete ignorance of current events does nothing but prove that you don't even pay attention. How am I supposed to prove anything to a person who disregards reality?
You honestly believe that Republicans are murderous facists?? You honestly believe that Republicans murder and torture people? (btw, that makes your sig very ironic) You honestly believe that Republicans are destroying your freedom? If you have answered yes to any of these questions, then just stop talking. You honestly don't know anything about what your talking about.
I don't know what I'm talking about? Then why were you unable to refute a single one of those statements?
Your inability to pay attention to current events does not mean that I need to give up my freedom of speech, regardless of how hard the Republicans are trying to do that in order to push their fascist agenda. The fact that you're too ignorant to know what fascism is doesn't strip me of my rights. Your idiotic voting choices are doing exactly that though.
Number one, Republicans do not hate homosexuals. I have plenty of homosexual friends and I don't hate them. Preaching hatred is what your doing, not what the Republicans are doing. I have never seen any hatred expressed towards homesexuals or Muslims. Do not confuse Catholic teachings with Republican dogma
What utter nonsense.
Republicans are attempting for the first time in hstory to alter the Constitution for the sole purpose of discriminating against gays. You must have a bizarre new definition of hatred that means something totally different.
The only argument they can give is that the homosexuals are trying to "destroy marriage". That's a clear expressoion of hatred given that there is nothing to back up that statement which is a direct attack.
"Wow, I don't hate black people. I have plenty of black friends...I do support the KKK though."
Replace blacks with gays and KKK with Republicans and that's exactly what you said and it's complete crap.
I would love for you to give me one example. ONE EXAMPLE. of when Republicans used fear and or hatred to drive an agenda.
Wow, you're laughable. Pick one agenda they've driven.
The war in Iraq is a great example, the gay hatred amendment, the torture and murder camps.
All of them were driven by fear and hatred.
That statement was utterly insane and idiotic. At least try to pretend there is anything reasonable in your stance. We both know there isn't, but you could at least try.
Ok, now lets take a look at the records of the Democrats:
Why bother? Show me where I supported them and you will have proven yourself to be something besides a partisan douchebag. As it is, you can't demonstrate anything of the sort, so you know hwere that leaves you.
The main point here is that you are accusing Republicans of hatred, yet you are doing so with such hatred that you invalidate your own point. If you want to debate me or convince me, you had better start providing some examples and some coherent thoughts.
I do hate Republicans. Each and every one of them. It isn't anything that invalidates my point though. My point is that they are deserving of hatred due to their own actions which are disgusting, abominable, and unsupportable by any decent human being.
They hate blindly ignorantly and without any valid reason due solely to greed on the part of the leaqders and cowardace and ignorance on the part of the followers.
I hate those who are actively turning my country into a police state.
There is a fundamental difference between those 2 positions which you clearly fail to grasp.
Debating with you is pointless since you are either completely uninformed or a liar.
Hell, your "show me on example of a hate driven agenda" proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Convincing you of anything rational is clearly impossible as well since if you had any ability to see reason, you would have already been swayed by the vast mountain of fascist cowardly treasonous actions taken by this administration.
I do agree with him about your signature. Even if it is a joke, it detracts from the impact of your message. Kind of like the "Anyone but Bush" thing. Would people really want Kim Jong-il as our leader?
Well, if you agree with him, then you can surely demonstrate how it is hypocritical? Thought not.
Saying it detracts from the impact of my message is an entirely different subject.
It might well be true, but I'm not a complete idiot so I'm not suffering under the illusion that it's possible to convince anybody who still supports the Republicans of anything whatsoever using reason. They have proven themselves to be beyond the reach of reason. If not, we wouldn't be in our current situation.
To be in that camp right now demonstrates a complete lack of thought, insight, integrity, honor, decency, morality, or critical thinking.
So honestly, there is no point in trying to convince them of anything since they believe insane ridiculous nonsense and are willing to throw away everything decent in humanity.
It's certainly not a joke. Republicans have declared all out war on American values and the constitution and so murdering them *is* an act of patriotism. I challenge you to refute that statement.
Don't kid yourself that they aren't already doing it. There are torture camps set up in third world shitholes. We kidnap people nad send them there to be tortured and murdered and neither you nor I have any way of knowing if they've done anything wrong. Hell, we know for a fact that at least one innocent man was kidnapped, sent away and tortured and you and I paid to have that done.
That is who and what the Republicans are. That is their defining characteristic. So what's your solution? Appeasement? Worked real well in preventing WW2, didn't it.
The simple fact is that anybody who still supports the Republicans has earned murder bacause it's what they promote.
Pretend that we're not at that point yet all you want, but all you'll get out of it is to see their sick agenda promoted.
And you are calling me dilusional.
Yes, I am. Would you care to point out how the fact I stated is in any way delusional? Good luck with that.
To do so you will first have to demonstrate definitions of "decent" and "sane" which allow for active support of the torture and murder of innocent people. Like I said, good luck.
The sad thing is that you can vote. You preach the hate you condemn.
No, I don't. I hate people who actively seek to destroy my freedoms and torture and murder innocent people. It's that simple. How is that preaching hate exactly?
Could you please be more specific? Cause I am looking everywhere, and I don't see any major political group in American that preaches any of that. Get rid of your bias, and come back when you actually have any real facts or knowledge.
Then you haven't been paying attention for a long time.
That is pretty much entirely the Republican agenda.
Gay hatred is the single issue that made the difference in the 2004 election. Hatred of Moslems is the Republican selling poinbt on their rape of the constitution.
Name one fucking issue where the Republicans haven't used fear and hatred to drive their agenda.
And the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It's not an insult, it's a simple statement of fact.
Well, for that to be fact you would have to do 2 things. 1, you would need to demonstrate anything hypocritical about the statement I made.
2, you would have to demonstrate that I'm a Liberal (by which you clearly don't mean "classical Liberal").
Both of those are impossible, so you fail it.
Who else would write "How else do you explain their support for setting up torture and murder camps all over the world..." with a signature like "Be a patriot: Murder a Republican."
Murdering innocent people is wrong. Defending yourself against the predations of amoral murderous scum is basic common sense.
It's not a difficult concept there, Sparky. The fact that you can miss something that obvious is testament to either your idiocy, or the deeply dishonest nature of your character.
I guess the problem lies with the fact that no one I know, republican or otherwise, supports "setting up torture and murder camps."
I guess the problem actually lies in the fact that you do not have the integrity to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you still support the Republicans at this point then you *do* support setting up torture and murder camps all over the owrld because those you support are doing it and they can only do it because evil people like yourself support them in doing exactly that. Take some responsibility for your choices, and have the courage to admit you were wrong. That's the only way we can have any hope of restoring a free society which *your* actions have worked to destroy.
We just realize that, for example, touching someone's koran isn't "torture." Or maybe, for example, we know that the incidents at Abu Ghraib were isolated incidents conducted by a few morons who deserved to be punished, and that doesn't make Abu Ghraib some hell-hole of a detention facility.
Wow, are you intentionally ignoring that actual point or are you that deeply out of touch with reality?
In the first place we do not know that Abu Ghraib were " isolated incidents conducted by a few morons who deserved to be punished".
We know absolutely that those types of actions were championed directly from the top of this administration. Whether or not specific orders were given in that specific case are irrelevant. This administration has stood up and publically stated that they will torture people. Also, it was a lot more than just touching a Koran.
Your complete lack of a moral compass is demonstrated quite clearly there.
In the second place, as you well know unless you are totally out of touch with reality, Abu Ghraib is just the tip of the iceberg. Unless you'ree so stupid that you think one prison in Iraq is "all over the world".
We do have torture camps in many 3rd world shit holes where we kidnap innocent (and guilty) people and send them off to be tortured and murdered. This is all public info, Sparky.
Be a man, not a cowardly little bitch and admit that you support the torture and murder of innocents *or* stop supporting the Republicans. You can't have it both ways.
Or maybe it's the "fact" that people on our side who are commiting atrocities are being tried and punished, while people on the other side commiting atrocities get sympathy from people like you.
Show me where I've given sympathy to *anybody* who commits those actions against innocents. That's right, *you can't*. That's because, unlike you, I don't support such things.
Show me also where Bush and his entire administration have been tried and punished. Oh right, you can't do that either. Because it hasn't happened. Wow, some low level military personell were scapegoated. Way to support the troops there, Sparky.
See, I can spout nonsense, too... and I can even state "it's a fact" because that somehow makes it true!
But I can actually demonstrate that what you are spouting is nonsense. You can't do that for what I said.
Big difference there.
Wow dude, you might just win the "Most delusional idiot in the world" award for that bit of nonsense.
Because at the moment, it is cool to be a Democrat. The media has done a very good job of creating a bandwagon of GOP haters.
That right there is truly amazing in the deep level of dishonesty and delusion it demonstrates.
It is not cool to be a Democrat. It is *sane* to hate the Republicans, which is why it is impossible to find one single decent, sane human being alive today who still supports that groups of murderous fascists.
"The media" didn't do a damn thing to create any such thing. The Republicans themselves by their calculated actions have done that entirely by themselves. By promoting an agenda entirely driven by hate, lies, murder and torture, the Republicans willingly and with malice aforethought have entirely alienated every single decent human being in the world without exception.
The media has become so one sided, that Democrats can get away with murder and Republicans can't get away with not crossing a t.
Wow, you're truly a deeply disturbed person with no grip on reality whatsoever. Or just a lying sack of shit. It's hard to tell.
The Republicans have literally gotten away with mass murder with the aid of the one sided media. It's reality and it's right in front of you. If you actually believe that idiotic bile you spewed, then you are quite literally dumber than a bag of rocks.
By the way, I am not out to change your political views. I respect everyone's opinion, even those who disagree with my own. Political conflict is one of the things that make our nation great. All I ask is that you see things from my point of view.
The problem with this is that your "point of view" isn't a point of view at all. All you did was spout some idiotic lies. If you had any integrity whatsoever, then you would know that. You quite clearly do not have any.