SCO suing over Linux source code: "I go chop your code."
MS killing Google: "We go chop their search."
Moderator's modding this post down to -5 OT: "You go chop my post!"
Ah, hah ha ha haaaaaa! The pirates of the high internet reborn!
Sorry. Fluxbox is a window manager for Linux desktop, and the slit is a kind of "shelf" where program icons can sit, similar to Window Maker's dock and Afterstep's wharf. Except the icons themselves can be little programs like KDE's and Gnome's panel applets, too, which makes them pretty cool when you see what can be done (a mail daemon, a weather reporter, a CD player) in 64x64 pixels.
Anyway, my original point was that just about any system has some kind of clipboard application where you can cut 'n' paste and arrange text similar to how people are describing the "shelf". True, it's not integrated with the web browser, and some people just can't *stand* to use two programs where they can be combined into one, but I don't mind multitasking...
<OT> And the slit gets wider the more applets you stuff in it, or it closes if you pull them all out. You of course control it by clicking on the right spot...</OT>
"The Shelf" is what we used to call a "clipboard". Like the "xclipboard" applet I load into my Fluxbox slit.
"Users want simplicity", well, I'm aghast. Firefox has the link to the Mozilla extensions/plug-in site right in the toolbar, you go there and browse the page and when you find what you want, it is literally a one-click download-and-install. In a single step. If that's too complicated for somebody, how are they using a web browser at all? Seriously, I've taken people who can do *nothing* else with a computer and shown them how to do extensions and they learned it in one shot.
I'm not knocking Flocker (I wouldn't want to be labeled a Flocker-knocker!). But I'm going to wait until there's a few more feature anouncements before *I* go to the (oh! soooo complicated! ah, the drudgery!!!) trouble of downloading and unzipping and configuring and makeing and suing and make installing the source tarball.
Must you tire me with challenges based on statistic X,Y,Z? Don't you know I could drag out statistic W,V,U to refute each one? Remember those studies: "75% of graduating high-school students couldn't identify three countries on world map, couldn't express a fraction as a decimal, etc, etc" or whatever the latest study is? And couldn't I pull up past articles on Slashdot about the decline of American technical know-how? We see one every two weeks, don't we? Literacy is a seperate matter entirely (and when Scientific American is flying off the magazine rack faster than Weekly World News, do let me know!); there's a long way between "Run, Spot, Run. See Spot Run." and "We have just released a new version of our homemade operating system."
When a disaster strikes, should it matter how rich or poor you are?
Well, lessee here. (1) Government charges me exhorbitant taxes, in part to fund FEMA so the government can help in case of a disaster. (2) Disaster hits, and thanks to croonie number one in charge of FEMA pocketing my tax dollars, FEMA sits on its thumbs. It's up to us private citizens to donate to help the victims, anyway, exactly as if we'd never had a FEMA at all. (3) Aftermath: Croonie number one resigns from too much heat, absconding of course with his generous salary. Replaced by croonie number two. (4) We sit and wait for the next disaster. Come budget time, guess which department will be squaking for a raise so it can be "better prepared" next time?
Huh? Isn't it your money, too? Don't you consider that when you pay taxes, you are essentially paying for the service of government? Does it ever occur to you to ask: "Where in the FUCK does all the money GO????" If it doesn't, it should. Government is rich and we are poor (by comparison). Government is rich from OUR MONEY. Yeah, I think the richest dictatorship in history is obligated to step in and LIFT A FUCKING FINGER, while the rest of us (in true American spirit) give until it hurts.
You and your ilk are the bowel cancer that is slowly killing the Democrats.
Good, I only wish that I could kill the Republicans at the same time. They're both just as guilty.
As for you, anybody who'll lecture me on Federalism one minute and speak of Republicans and Democrats the next as if there were the slightest difference between the two, ain't even with it enough to stay in the same conversation with.
Ne-e-ext?...
I didn't say anything and decided to just forget ever talking to this guy again.
Gee, this scene sounds like it could have been as funny as the Python sketch we were doing at the beginning of this discussion. Only this time, it's the travel agent one where Eric Idle starts talking and never stops.
Well, talk about fantasy. We should go all the way: Not a castle, but a fortified igloo stories and stories tall, with T3 wiring leading to it from all directions. Gates and Ballmer "ride up" in armored three-piece-suits and imaginary horses, demanding entrance to the sacred fortress. They go away under a hail of herring and taunts: "Ha, corporate pig-dogs! Ah fart in your general direction! Your mother was a polar bear, and your father smelt of oil spills!"
Does anybody else think this press release was triggered by the stunning popularity of Ubuntu? Causing Bill Gates to remark, "Lookit them thar spey-ur chuckers, dey h'am making dey own soff-war, whatsuh we goin' de-e-ew?" So typical MS solution, they issue a press release declaring that gravity doesn't exist: "There's NO WAY this could be happening! Move along, everybody, nothing to see here."
Billy can go on and think that. I'm far from a fan of Ubuntu, but even Ubuntu could teach Microsoft 101 things about how to make software. Africans should do a similar study to see if anybody in Redmond can understand software on *their* level.
Newsflash: Most Africans do not live in huts on the savannah.
They live in cities and towns. They have access to technology.
Thank you. That's the kind of thing I think when I see stories like this. But only in America do you see that level of global ignorance. I've chatted online with people from all over the world who knew more about life in my area than I ever knew about theirs. Keep in mind, this is the country where a sizable percentage of citizens could not find Africa on a map.
Dean recently tried to run for president on that level of "debate" and lost horribly... have fun!
As in all "elections", the richest millionaire got the prize. Kerry had more money than Dean, so was more "popular", but still not as much as Bush. All elections will continue to be this way. You think we won't be in the same place with the same problems four/eight/twelve/sixteen years from now? Hence, I raise my voice to attempt to wake up my fellow countrymen, to whom most it has never occured that the United States is rapidly gaining a place next to Ancient Rome, Russia, Germany, Britain, as countries which tried to take over the world. And as all countries which tried to subjugate all of humanity, we will be defeated in our aim, and whether that defeat means an economic recession or having to be bombed into a smoking crater (will you be happy then? will that be enough war for you? THEYHATEUSFOROURFREEDOM), depends on how stupid we are about it.
I'll tell you this, I've never been anywhere with as many people willing to help out and donate their time and money as here.
Thank you. Yes, American citizens are some of the sweetest people on Earth, except for the knee-jerk "THEYHATEUSFOROURFREEDOM" meatheads. Government is what I have a problem with.
"Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?"
Hurricane Katrina. Can *you* name me one reason why anybody HAS to rush to the aide of the richest, most powerful country on Earth and in all of human history? Can YOU tell me why our own government can't handle basic human services, but never misses a beat in it's global conquest to enslave the planet?
fuck you you leave. Why does this supposedly free society with allegedly Democratic rights for all demand deportation to the enslaved countries for the tiny offense of airing criticism of it in public? It's my vote, for "We the People", right? And I FUCKING SAY I DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF A FUCKING DICTATORSHIP! That's my citizenly opinion on how to run this country. Go back to FOX "news" and get your robot brain programmed some more.
Stupid fuck, "jealous of the freedoms and accomplishments of the United States." I LIVE in the United States, was probably here before you, and we HAVE HAD NO FREEDOM OR ACOMPLISHMENTS IN 50 years!
As an American citizen, I want the UN to control the internet. Because that is the only way to ensure that I can still read news that isn't filtered through the US Fascist propaganda network.
Perish the day when we can't even register domain names like "naziscansuckmyballs.com"
What, you've never heard of hate-crime laws here in America? Try yelling your posting out loud on a college campus, and three Germans will immediately rush over with lawyers to sue for racial discrimination, two women will prosecute you for sexual harrassment for saying "balls", and a passing Jew will wail in court that he suffered emotional trauma for your outburst because it triggered an Auschwitz flashback.
what this boils down to is who gets to say what new TLDs (like.com,.net, etc.) will be created.
Yeah, like the FCC's only purpose in life was to control frequency use. Boy, they sure didn't run away with their drunken power binge on that one, did they? Hey, our government has an *excellent* record of never abusing authority, this what you're saying?
Jesus, yeah. I'm fed up with this hypocracy. The US government wants to enslave the world. Period. If you doubt this, you've never opened a history book in your life. Even US citizens have no control over their own government, and want it to stop. The rest of the world just wants it's fair share. The rest of the world having a fair share is a threat to the greedy swine in suits. There's a reason why the majority of Linux distributions are started outside the US, even though some of the countries releasing Linux are showing up pretty dark on this map: http://www.exittoafrica.com/images/maps/m_world_ni ght-sky.jpg.
If this government is democratic, then it rules in my name. I don't want to be a global scourge.
I like trolls. Slice them thin and fry them in butter with some collard greens. Elves, now, way too tough and leathery, and orcs don't smell fresh even when they're not dead yet.
Now, if he follows in Gentoo's footsteps and runs away to a new job at Redmond, that'll really be weird...
My, while we're all making our little speeches about El Sombrero de Rojo, it's occured to me that I've done way lots of harping on my favorite distros, but forgot the background one. Red Hat has been the distro that I leave on the family box. I know, as a Slackware man I'm supposed to look down on Red Hat, but: I see Red Hat as the convenience distro, the generic choice when you can't decide what kind of Linux you need. I know that I can load Red Hat on the machine, configure a few files, RPM a few key programs, and walk away from it knowing it won't trouble mom and the kids too much. It still comes with some programming support - what we used to call "bad", before some other distros became "appalling" at it - and has quite a bit of GNU software (nearly eradicated from half the distros out there). It has had - and will always have - some flaws, but these are the relatively minor kind that can be fixed, as opposed to the big, stupid kind that break the whole distro. Long live Red Hat - because without it, all distros would have to be based on Debian, and we'd never see anything done right again!
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SCO suing over Linux source code: "I go chop your code."
MS killing Google: "We go chop their search."
Moderator's modding this post down to -5 OT: "You go chop my post!"
Ah, hah ha ha haaaaaa! The pirates of the high internet reborn!
Sorry. Fluxbox is a window manager for Linux desktop, and the slit is a kind of "shelf" where program icons can sit, similar to Window Maker's dock and Afterstep's wharf. Except the icons themselves can be little programs like KDE's and Gnome's panel applets, too, which makes them pretty cool when you see what can be done (a mail daemon, a weather reporter, a CD player) in 64x64 pixels.
Anyway, my original point was that just about any system has some kind of clipboard application where you can cut 'n' paste and arrange text similar to how people are describing the "shelf". True, it's not integrated with the web browser, and some people just can't *stand* to use two programs where they can be combined into one, but I don't mind multitasking...
<OT> And the slit gets wider the more applets you stuff in it, or it closes if you pull them all out. You of course control it by clicking on the right spot...</OT>
"Users want simplicity", well, I'm aghast. Firefox has the link to the Mozilla extensions/plug-in site right in the toolbar, you go there and browse the page and when you find what you want, it is literally a one-click download-and-install. In a single step. If that's too complicated for somebody, how are they using a web browser at all? Seriously, I've taken people who can do *nothing* else with a computer and shown them how to do extensions and they learned it in one shot.
I'm not knocking Flocker (I wouldn't want to be labeled a Flocker-knocker!). But I'm going to wait until there's a few more feature anouncements before *I* go to the (oh! soooo complicated! ah, the drudgery!!!) trouble of downloading and unzipping and configuring and makeing and suing and make installing the source tarball.
Must you tire me with challenges based on statistic X,Y,Z? Don't you know I could drag out statistic W,V,U to refute each one? Remember those studies: "75% of graduating high-school students couldn't identify three countries on world map, couldn't express a fraction as a decimal, etc, etc" or whatever the latest study is? And couldn't I pull up past articles on Slashdot about the decline of American technical know-how? We see one every two weeks, don't we? Literacy is a seperate matter entirely (and when Scientific American is flying off the magazine rack faster than Weekly World News, do let me know!); there's a long way between "Run, Spot, Run. See Spot Run." and "We have just released a new version of our homemade operating system."
Well, lessee here. (1) Government charges me exhorbitant taxes, in part to fund FEMA so the government can help in case of a disaster. (2) Disaster hits, and thanks to croonie number one in charge of FEMA pocketing my tax dollars, FEMA sits on its thumbs. It's up to us private citizens to donate to help the victims, anyway, exactly as if we'd never had a FEMA at all. (3) Aftermath: Croonie number one resigns from too much heat, absconding of course with his generous salary. Replaced by croonie number two. (4) We sit and wait for the next disaster. Come budget time, guess which department will be squaking for a raise so it can be "better prepared" next time?
Huh? Isn't it your money, too? Don't you consider that when you pay taxes, you are essentially paying for the service of government? Does it ever occur to you to ask: "Where in the FUCK does all the money GO????" If it doesn't, it should. Government is rich and we are poor (by comparison). Government is rich from OUR MONEY. Yeah, I think the richest dictatorship in history is obligated to step in and LIFT A FUCKING FINGER, while the rest of us (in true American spirit) give until it hurts.
Good, I only wish that I could kill the Republicans at the same time. They're both just as guilty.
As for you, anybody who'll lecture me on Federalism one minute and speak of Republicans and Democrats the next as if there were the slightest difference between the two, ain't even with it enough to stay in the same conversation with.
Ne-e-ext?...
Gee, this scene sounds like it could have been as funny as the Python sketch we were doing at the beginning of this discussion. Only this time, it's the travel agent one where Eric Idle starts talking and never stops.
Well, talk about fantasy. We should go all the way: Not a castle, but a fortified igloo stories and stories tall, with T3 wiring leading to it from all directions. Gates and Ballmer "ride up" in armored three-piece-suits and imaginary horses, demanding entrance to the sacred fortress. They go away under a hail of herring and taunts: "Ha, corporate pig-dogs! Ah fart in your general direction! Your mother was a polar bear, and your father smelt of oil spills!"
Billy can go on and think that. I'm far from a fan of Ubuntu, but even Ubuntu could teach Microsoft 101 things about how to make software. Africans should do a similar study to see if anybody in Redmond can understand software on *their* level.
Thank you. That's the kind of thing I think when I see stories like this. But only in America do you see that level of global ignorance. I've chatted online with people from all over the world who knew more about life in my area than I ever knew about theirs. Keep in mind, this is the country where a sizable percentage of citizens could not find Africa on a map.
As in all "elections", the richest millionaire got the prize. Kerry had more money than Dean, so was more "popular", but still not as much as Bush. All elections will continue to be this way. You think we won't be in the same place with the same problems four/eight/twelve/sixteen years from now? Hence, I raise my voice to attempt to wake up my fellow countrymen, to whom most it has never occured that the United States is rapidly gaining a place next to Ancient Rome, Russia, Germany, Britain, as countries which tried to take over the world. And as all countries which tried to subjugate all of humanity, we will be defeated in our aim, and whether that defeat means an economic recession or having to be bombed into a smoking crater (will you be happy then? will that be enough war for you? THEYHATEUSFOROURFREEDOM), depends on how stupid we are about it.
Thank you. Yes, American citizens are some of the sweetest people on Earth, except for the knee-jerk "THEYHATEUSFOROURFREEDOM" meatheads. Government is what I have a problem with.
"Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?"
Hurricane Katrina. Can *you* name me one reason why anybody HAS to rush to the aide of the richest, most powerful country on Earth and in all of human history? Can YOU tell me why our own government can't handle basic human services, but never misses a beat in it's global conquest to enslave the planet?
Only Fascists today are wearing business suits, son. Maoists are a miniscule threat compared to what we face in Washington.
Logically qualify that statement coherently and I'll consider it.
fuck you you leave. Why does this supposedly free society with allegedly Democratic rights for all demand deportation to the enslaved countries for the tiny offense of airing criticism of it in public? It's my vote, for "We the People", right? And I FUCKING SAY I DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF A FUCKING DICTATORSHIP! That's my citizenly opinion on how to run this country. Go back to FOX "news" and get your robot brain programmed some more.
Stupid fuck, "jealous of the freedoms and accomplishments of the United States." I LIVE in the United States, was probably here before you, and we HAVE HAD NO FREEDOM OR ACOMPLISHMENTS IN 50 years!
As an American citizen, I want the UN to control the internet. Because that is the only way to ensure that I can still read news that isn't filtered through the US Fascist propaganda network.
What, you've never heard of hate-crime laws here in America? Try yelling your posting out loud on a college campus, and three Germans will immediately rush over with lawyers to sue for racial discrimination, two women will prosecute you for sexual harrassment for saying "balls", and a passing Jew will wail in court that he suffered emotional trauma for your outburst because it triggered an Auschwitz flashback.
Yeah, like the FCC's only purpose in life was to control frequency use. Boy, they sure didn't run away with their drunken power binge on that one, did they? Hey, our government has an *excellent* record of never abusing authority, this what you're saying?
If this government is democratic, then it rules in my name. I don't want to be a global scourge.
"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid that package has dependencies which are unsupported."
"Damn!"
I like trolls. Slice them thin and fry them in butter with some collard greens. Elves, now, way too tough and leathery, and orcs don't smell fresh even when they're not dead yet.
My, while we're all making our little speeches about El Sombrero de Rojo, it's occured to me that I've done way lots of harping on my favorite distros, but forgot the background one. Red Hat has been the distro that I leave on the family box. I know, as a Slackware man I'm supposed to look down on Red Hat, but: I see Red Hat as the convenience distro, the generic choice when you can't decide what kind of Linux you need. I know that I can load Red Hat on the machine, configure a few files, RPM a few key programs, and walk away from it knowing it won't trouble mom and the kids too much. It still comes with some programming support - what we used to call "bad", before some other distros became "appalling" at it - and has quite a bit of GNU software (nearly eradicated from half the distros out there). It has had - and will always have - some flaws, but these are the relatively minor kind that can be fixed, as opposed to the big, stupid kind that break the whole distro. Long live Red Hat - because without it, all distros would have to be based on Debian, and we'd never see anything done right again!