For God's sake how many friggin times do we need to argue this? And it's always the same damn answer. Is this the best "tech" news that's out there today?
*If* Intel were to supply PPC chips, and it sure sounds weird to me, given their history, wouldn't that be a tacit admission of failure on their part with regards to the Itanium? Wasn't the Itanic supposed to compete in some of the same areas as PPC?
Nope, the original mouse was invented by Doug Englebart's group for their NLS (oNLine System) project. Xerox PARC was formed around 1971, Englebart's research predates this *at least* by several years, with it culminating in a big demo to his ARPA sponsors in fall 1969. Some of the people in Englebart's group, like Bill English, would migrate to Xerox PARC and re-introduce many of their ideas into the R&D that was progressing at PARC.
Yeah but the post just above yours uses the words "hooker", "love glove" (my favorite), and "Bunny Ranch". Does your paper address any of these critical topics to sex-starved geeks worldwide? I thought not!
That was a new feature added (I think) in either 3.0 or 3.1. Previous versions did not, I repeat, did not have this ability, and it was really, really annoying.
Having been exposed to Windows since 1.0, it's clear to me that many of the improvements that make it tolerable today (memory protection, pre-emptive multitasking, configuration changes without reboots, etc.) simply would not have been developed without that competition from Linux.
That statements wrong on so many different levels I don't know where to begin, but here goes:
Linux was started(?) sometime in the summer of 1991. (http://www.li.org/linuxhistory.php)
Windows 3.0 came out in in 1990, with Windows 3.1 in 1991. Both were a major success, mainly because Windows 1.0 and 2.0 sucked sooooo badly, just about anything would've been an improvement. One of the features was running in x86 protected mode.
Windows NT work was started in 1988 and released sometime in 1993 (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/1998/ winntfs.asp). NT was a massive improvement over anything MS had done. and did cover the memory protection, pre-emptive multitasking issue completely. Configuration changes without reboots have always been partially supported, the main buggers were network settings and certain system level settings that *did* require a reboot. However I *really* doubt that the linux available in 1992-1993 was very slick with these things either.
Meanwhile WIndows 95 was well underway by 1992, and also addressed/fixed the memory protection, pre-emptive multitasking issue. Admittedly, no where near as well as NT did, due to it's braindead DOS underpinnings, but it was still leaps above Win3.x.
All of this happened while linux was nothing but a bare little kernel, with admittedly pretty small goals. I can't see how any influence would've been even noticed until at least 1998. Loads of other OSes had things like memory protection, pre-emptive multitasking, configuration changes without reboots well before linux.
Do you have anything specific to back this up? I have used STL on Max OSX, linux, Win32 and not had any problems. The one issue I had on OSX was a problem with wchar_t and std::wstring because Apple, in their infinite wisdom, didn't provide a proper C runtime with wchar_t support. Other than that STL has worked fine for me. Sounds like what you're talking about is just urban legend BS.
(warning: rather long winded, meaningless Java/Sun rant, consider yourself warned!)
Java is nothing but one big scam perpetuated by Sun and greedily gobbled up by management and developers either unwilling to make C++ better, or too lazy to look at better solutions (and *no*.Net is *NOT* a better solution - it's the same thing warmed over).
Consider this:
In a few months we'll witness the 10 year anniversary of Java.
My question is: have we all been victim to nothing more than
a 10 year long scam by Sun?
When Java was first designed it was envisioned that it would find
it's niche in CE (consumer electronics) devices like set top box
for video on demand movie players, or other such devices. Then it
was announced that Netscape would bundle built in functionality for
loading Java applets on the fly. In fact at the Sun convention where
this was announced :
"an influential audience of technologists and
the press is pounding out excited applause, knowing they are
witnessing the beginnings of something very big for the future of
the Internet."
src: http://java.sun.com/features/1998/05/birthday.ht ml
Hmm, 10 years later and just how big a deal has it made? Java applets
are almost never used, with the exception of a few pages.
Java Server Pages I guess are used here and there, but my memory of
working with this was that it was a pain in the ass, and not really
worth it. I have to say, that frankly it seems Java on the web is kind of
underwhelming.
Java performance on the desktop, without using fairly high end hardware
still blows salmon scales. Keep in mind: Sun has had a full decade to
tackle and beat into submission various performance issues, and to the
best of my knowledge there is *still* no real penetration of Java
applications within the desktop app market. Yeah there are a handful
of developer tools (mainly because we're the only ones patient enough
to wait around for it load up, or put up with Java's sub par, scratch
that, shitty performance) that people use, but my experience with all
has been that:
a) their performance sucks (except on a shiny new Pentium 4 Xeon @ 3 GHz*
then it's not too bad).
b) they look like ass (with the exception of Eclipse - this actually looks
normal, at least on Win32), and don't really play well with underlying OS
c) Did I mention they look dumb and run poorly? No? Well they do.
Undoubtedly there are people who write applications in it, but you don't
see much in terms of everyday usage. In other words, I don't see any *commonly* used Java
based apps for:
- media playing, i.e. something like iTunes or WinAmp in Java
- image management/browsing - something like a simple PSP or iPhoto, or
whatever - name you're program they are almost all written in either
C++ or Delphi (with the OSX ones being in C or Objective C) plus
some VB or.Net as well.
- email clients
- html browser
- word processor - yes I know there is at least one Java based office
package out there, but no one uses it. Remember the criteria is that
some group of people (greater than the developer, his Mom, and his best
friend from grade school) out there use the damn thing.
So IMHO Java on the desktop pretty much stinks, and it's too little,
too late, and largely DOA.
However Java on the server is a whole 'nother ball of wax. Amazingly
this is where it seems to have found it's niche. Maybe because, since
you have no control of the memory management any more, you don't worry
and when your app leaks like a sieve**, you just shrug your shoulders and
buy more hardware! Yep, that seems to be the answer - just buy more
hardware! More memory, more CPU's (or faster ones, at any rate), etc,
etc, repeat as neccessary until the app performs like you think it
should. Perhaps this has caught on in the server arena because people
are more willing to upgrade the kit (since it clearly benefits all the
apps that will run on it anyways).
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For God's sake how many friggin times do we need to argue this? And it's always the same damn answer. Is this the best "tech" news that's out there today?
Wasn't that the revolutionary device formerly known as "Ginger"? Are they finally getting around to making this a reality?!
*If* Intel were to supply PPC chips, and it sure sounds weird to me, given their history, wouldn't that be a tacit admission of failure on their part with regards to the Itanium? Wasn't the Itanic supposed to compete in some of the same areas as PPC?
Nope, the original mouse was invented by Doug Englebart's group for their NLS (oNLine System) project. Xerox PARC was formed around 1971, Englebart's research predates this *at least* by several years, with it culminating in a big demo to his ARPA sponsors in fall 1969. Some of the people in Englebart's group, like Bill English, would migrate to Xerox PARC and re-introduce many of their ideas into the R&D that was progressing at PARC.
And that lickable interface! Mmmmm :)
Yeah but the post just above yours uses the words "hooker", "love glove" (my favorite), and "Bunny Ranch". Does your paper address any of these critical topics to sex-starved geeks worldwide? I thought not!
But does it have a GPL compatible bootloader? I think that's the question on everyone's mind!
That was a new feature added (I think) in either 3.0 or 3.1. Previous versions did not, I repeat, did not have this ability, and it was really, really annoying.
The next edition of American Pie could use this to excellent effect!
Anyone too stupid to understand this, deserves what they get.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Made my day:) :)
I'll be chuckling on the subway home this evening over this
Linux was started(?) sometime in the summer of 1991. (http://www.li.org/linuxhistory.php)
Windows 3.0 came out in in 1990, with Windows 3.1 in 1991. Both were a major success, mainly because Windows 1.0 and 2.0 sucked sooooo badly, just about anything would've been an improvement. One of the features was running in x86 protected mode.
Windows NT work was started in 1988 and released sometime in 1993 (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/1998/ winntfs.asp). NT was a massive improvement over anything MS had done. and did cover the memory protection, pre-emptive multitasking issue completely. Configuration changes without reboots have always been partially supported, the main buggers were network settings and certain system level settings that *did* require a reboot. However I *really* doubt that the linux available in 1992-1993 was very slick with these things either.
Meanwhile WIndows 95 was well underway by 1992, and also addressed/fixed the memory protection, pre-emptive multitasking issue. Admittedly, no where near as well as NT did, due to it's braindead DOS underpinnings, but it was still leaps above Win3.x.
All of this happened while linux was nothing but a bare little kernel, with admittedly pretty small goals. I can't see how any influence would've been even noticed until at least 1998. Loads of other OSes had things like memory protection, pre-emptive multitasking, configuration changes without reboots well before linux.
Well the yahoo link was interesting, here's the fix for it http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/zd/200503 03/tc_zd/146950.
However the blog seems empty and the link you provided (as well as the one in the Yahoo story) seem broken. Wonder what's up with that?
Do you have anything specific to back this up? I have used STL on Max OSX, linux, Win32 and not had any problems. The one issue I had on OSX was a problem with wchar_t and std::wstring because Apple, in their infinite wisdom, didn't provide a proper C runtime with wchar_t support. Other than that STL has worked fine for me. Sounds like what you're talking about is just urban legend BS.
Java is nothing but one big scam perpetuated by Sun and greedily gobbled up by management and developers either unwilling to make C++ better, or too lazy to look at better solutions (and *no* .Net is *NOT* a better solution - it's the same thing warmed over).
Consider this:
In a few months we'll witness the 10 year anniversary of Java.
My question is: have we all been victim to nothing more than a 10 year long scam by Sun?
When Java was first designed it was envisioned that it would find it's niche in CE (consumer electronics) devices like set top box for video on demand movie players, or other such devices. Then it was announced that Netscape would bundle built in functionality for loading Java applets on the fly. In fact at the Sun convention where this was announced : "an influential audience of technologists and the press is pounding out excited applause, knowing they are witnessing the beginnings of something very big for the future of the Internet."
src:
http://java.sun.com/features/1998/05/birthday.ht ml
Hmm, 10 years later and just how big a deal has it made? Java applets are almost never used, with the exception of a few pages.
Java Server Pages I guess are used here and there, but my memory of working with this was that it was a pain in the ass, and not really worth it. I have to say, that frankly it seems Java on the web is kind of underwhelming.
Java performance on the desktop, without using fairly high end hardware still blows salmon scales. Keep in mind: Sun has had a full decade to tackle and beat into submission various performance issues, and to the best of my knowledge there is *still* no real penetration of Java applications within the desktop app market. Yeah there are a handful of developer tools (mainly because we're the only ones patient enough to wait around for it load up, or put up with Java's sub par, scratch that, shitty performance) that people use, but my experience with all has been that:
a) their performance sucks (except on a shiny new Pentium 4 Xeon @ 3 GHz* then it's not too bad).
b) they look like ass (with the exception of Eclipse - this actually looks normal, at least on Win32), and don't really play well with underlying OS
c) Did I mention they look dumb and run poorly? No? Well they do.
Undoubtedly there are people who write applications in it, but you don't see much in terms of everyday usage. In other words, I don't see any *commonly* used Java based apps for: .Net as well.
- media playing, i.e. something like iTunes or WinAmp in Java
- image management/browsing - something like a simple PSP or iPhoto, or whatever - name you're program they are almost all written in either C++ or Delphi (with the OSX ones being in C or Objective C) plus some VB or
- email clients
- html browser
- word processor - yes I know there is at least one Java based office package out there, but no one uses it. Remember the criteria is that some group of people (greater than the developer, his Mom, and his best friend from grade school) out there use the damn thing.
So IMHO Java on the desktop pretty much stinks, and it's too little, too late, and largely DOA.
However Java on the server is a whole 'nother ball of wax. Amazingly this is where it seems to have found it's niche. Maybe because, since you have no control of the memory management any more, you don't worry and when your app leaks like a sieve**, you just shrug your shoulders and buy more hardware! Yep, that seems to be the answer - just buy more hardware! More memory, more CPU's (or faster ones, at any rate), etc, etc, repeat as neccessary until the app performs like you think it should. Perhaps this has caught on in the server arena because people are more willing to upgrade the kit (since it clearly benefits all the apps that will run on it anyways).
As to the "write once, run anyw