PayPal: free. Meetup.com: $19/month. Which should I use? Let me do the math... *scratch* *scratch* *puzzle*
I just checked. Paypal doesn't provide a calendar, a way to set a venue, ability to rsvp, membership lists, communication tools, or other needed tools to organise a meeting. I know, I just searched paypal for that stuff.
What's the deal? How's paypal doing it without me being able to find out?
As a business owner I don't mind anyone using my facilities for public free use... but when they turn MY facility in to a paid venue, that concerns me and I'm sure would concern coffee shops and book stores (the most common place for meetups)
Actual, paid venues meet in eating establishments all the time. I'm not seeing to big of deal going on here.
I guess what you are saying is that if you were a coffee shop owner you'd want to have a litmus test for people who purchase from your fine establishment. Did they pay anything to be in that coffee shop with taht group today? No? Well welcome in then. Yes? Oops, can't take any money from you, please don't purchase anything here, see ya later.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
If a group is meeting in my place and it is not sponsored by me, it must be free and inclusive of anyone that wishes to join.
Huh? I've got to let just anyone sit at my table just because I'm eating at a public eating eshtablishment? I've never heard of anything like that before.
Once this bill goes into effect, then laws will be passed to enforce them.
So yes, if I violate the law by providing free wifi access, I could get a huge fine or even jail time.
THAT is the problem.
I'm just still not convinced that this bill has anything to do with a coffee shop providing wifi service. If the problem isn't with this bill, but future bills that "expand" this bill, then why not support this bill with all its benefits and oppose the future bills that are actually bad.
Let be put it to you this way. SBC wants to pass law for it's OWN self interest. If you think otherwise, your an idiot.
You know what? I don't give a crap what SBC thinks about this bill. You originally posted that "they" wanted stop you from providing free wifi service to your "coffee shop" customers, and you'd provide free service anyways.
This is my 3rd post asking how this bill prohibits you from providing free access to your "coffee shop" customers. You keep responding, "SBC is blah, blah, blah." If you can't answer my question, then you are a class-act wienie.
Keep government out of the free market. This is a democrocy, not a fucking plutocrocy.
Oh, wait, that's what this bill is trying to do. Sucks to be you...
Basically, imagine what will happen when people can use programs such as Skype on their PDA and pull up a random IP address from any free wireless access point. The end resault is free VOIP access. Obviously, SBC is scared shitless by such technology and wants to limit free internet access that would otherwise bleed over and cut into their "potential" profits (sic).
But you haven't proven to me that this bill has anything to do with that. That's what I'm asking. What does the law say? I don't give a crap what you think SBC wants.
If I owned a coffee shop and previously offered free WiFi access, then if this bill got passed I would charge....1 penny. And to boot, I would roll it up in the price of the coffee.
Woah. I'm not from Texas, and missed the original story. What is this bill do? You seem to think you have an idea. Please help me understand the purpose of this bill.
According to the website linked in the story, the bill promotes these four things:
The modernization of Texas telecom regulations will:
1)Encourage new investment. Modernized laws in Texas will attract investment, drive economic development and diversify the marketplace - giving Texans a better value on telecom services.
2)Create new job opportunities. The expansion of advanced technologies requires skilled labor. As updated laws generate new opportunities, the telecom workforce in Texas will benefit.
3)Introduce new products and services. Heightened competition will push the marketplace to more quickly and frequently introduce state-of-the-art technologies including integrated next-generation television and super high-speed Internet access.
4)Support Texas' goal of tech leadership. With a dynamic communications infrastructure, Texas can once again pave the way towards innovation and showcase the ability to be a technology leader.
Investments, jobs, products, and leadership. I certainly couldn't oppose any of those.
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I just checked. Paypal doesn't provide a calendar, a way to set a venue, ability to rsvp, membership lists, communication tools, or other needed tools to organise a meeting. I know, I just searched paypal for that stuff.
What's the deal? How's paypal doing it without me being able to find out?
--apActual, paid venues meet in eating establishments all the time. I'm not seeing to big of deal going on here.
I guess what you are saying is that if you were a coffee shop owner you'd want to have a litmus test for people who purchase from your fine establishment. Did they pay anything to be in that coffee shop with taht group today? No? Well welcome in then. Yes? Oops, can't take any money from you, please don't purchase anything here, see ya later.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
If a group is meeting in my place and it is not sponsored by me, it must be free and inclusive of anyone that wishes to join.Huh? I've got to let just anyone sit at my table just because I'm eating at a public eating eshtablishment? I've never heard of anything like that before.
--apSo yes, if I violate the law by providing free wifi access, I could get a huge fine or even jail time.
THAT is the problem.
I'm just still not convinced that this bill has anything to do with a coffee shop providing wifi service. If the problem isn't with this bill, but future bills that "expand" this bill, then why not support this bill with all its benefits and oppose the future bills that are actually bad.
--apYou know what? I don't give a crap what SBC thinks about this bill. You originally posted that "they" wanted stop you from providing free wifi service to your "coffee shop" customers, and you'd provide free service anyways.
This is my 3rd post asking how this bill prohibits you from providing free access to your "coffee shop" customers. You keep responding, "SBC is blah, blah, blah." If you can't answer my question, then you are a class-act wienie.
Keep government out of the free market. This is a democrocy, not a fucking plutocrocy.Oh, wait, that's what this bill is trying to do. Sucks to be you...
--apBut you haven't proven to me that this bill has anything to do with that. That's what I'm asking. What does the law say? I don't give a crap what you think SBC wants.
--apHuh? An organization like Rock The Vote is orwellian?
--apWoah. I'm not from Texas, and missed the original story. What is this bill do? You seem to think you have an idea. Please help me understand the purpose of this bill.
According to the website linked in the story, the bill promotes these four things:
Investments, jobs, products, and leadership. I certainly couldn't oppose any of those.So how does stopping free wifi come into play?
--ap