StarOffice, being one big huge program, will allow users to do stuff like that.
Besides, people will argue against Linux using the "drag and drop between programs" argument, but, honestly: how many people really work like that? Most Windows programs like to start maximized, leaving no area with which to manipulate the desktop, or other programs' windows. The typical user doesn't alter this behavior.
As a result, most people still use their Windows programs in the traditional way: open program, open file, manipulate file, save file, close program.
For the average user, a machine set up with Linux, KDE and StarOffice would not be noticably different than a Windows machine, except that it would not crash as much.
To a degree...I built a Celeron 300A machine, with an ABIT motherboard, and a Millenium II G200. No problem with hardware support, apart from 3-D.
There are probably still more Macs around than Linux machines, but probably not by all that much.
On actively used machines, Linux may already have the edge. That's not to knock the Mac; it's just that Linux is all the rage these days. Of the people I know who are active computer users (including non-geeks), probably a third to a half of them are planning to experiment with Linux in the not-too-distant future.
I think there's a fairly simple explanation for this: Linux will run on the hardware they already have. They can't try MacOS without buying a new machine, if they currently have an x86 machine.
Who knows what might have happened if Apple had turned themselves into a software company a few years back...
Let's talk what a bad idea it is to allow user programs (ISAPI extensions and COM objects) to run in the same process space as the webserver.
And how.
We had an open ticket with MICROS~1 for months, regarding an NT/IIS/ASP server that simply would not stay up. Usually INETINFO.EXE did not actually crash; it would just hang. The MICROS~1 guy, helpful as he tried to be, couldn't track down the problem from the memory dumps we provided.
Finally, he tracked it down: the client's choice of (MICROS~1) FoxPro for their database was causing the whole mess, as it is "not designed for the kind of usage it gets when used with a web site."
The suggested solution? Rewrite the whole mess to use MS-SQL.
Well, at least that should make it easier to migrate to UNIX at some point in the future.
How would more gun control have stopped them from possessing bombs?
If people are intent on killing, they will find a way to do so. The most lethal weapon of mass killing in American history was a gas can and a match: remember that.
Well, you see, they've been trying to sell that particular bill of goods for some time, and it's getting a bit old. So, they move on to blaming something else.
It's not the game's fault; it's not the gun's fault; it's not the Internet's fault; it's not society's fault. It's the kids' fault.
That's what free software is about. You can sell free software; many people do, and make money doing so. More will in the future. You can also make money selling services to free software users.
People do need to eat, and free software provides more of them with an opportunity to do so, instead of a select few, as is the case with proprietary software.
Software is not a durable good, and should not be sold as if it were.
Yes. That's the point. You don't get paid on the basis of "intellectual property," you get paid for the other services you provide that uses the free software as a backbone.
It's not a theory; people are making *lots* of money *right now* from free software.
Take a trip to GNU, and read up on some of the information over there about how you make money with free software.
There's nothing anti-capitalistic about free software; in fact, you might say that proprietary software (at least vis-a-vis operating systems) is anti-capitalistic, since it discourages direct competition.
Well, anyhow, hopefully Apple will go out of business in the next few years, and then we won't have to worry about QuickTime being ported to other platforms.:-)
Hell, if they really want to focus their QuickTime efforts, maybe they should just drop support for Macintosh. The Mac isn't a significant platform these days...at least not really much more significant than Linux.
Apple is so freaking arrogant. Argh.
If they want open source people to work on their software, they have to provide an incentive. They've not done that so far.
BSD licensing is centered on the needs of developers, while GPL licensing is focused on the needs of the *users*.
That's really what it's all about. If you want your code to be free to use in any project, proprietary or otherwise, the BSD license is good for that.
But if you are primarily concerned with your code being *used* by the largest possible number of users, the GPL is the way to go.
Katz misses the point, I think.
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He rails against the "censorship" of people not wanting to listen to people rant and rave, but doesn't seem to understand that the sheer volume of irrelevant flaming, spamming, etc. (on Usenet, for instance) essentially constitutes a kind of censorship itself, because it drowns out the sort of information exchange that the medium was intended for.
That is why reader-implemented filtering is a Good Thing. And why administrator-implemented filtering is not always bad (Cancel Moose, for example, was helpful for a while).
Blocking software like Net Nanny, etc., *is* evil, though, if only because of the way it seems to filter out dissenting opinion, not just the things it claims to filter.
With the growing popularity of Linux, and the resurgence of the Mac, I rather doubt that a Windows-only solution will triumph over the cross-platform RealPlayer.
I work with Solaris mostly at work, and so I prefer Linux, mainly because its ever so slightly more similar, with its sorta hybrid Sys V/BSD look. Heck, I've installed procps, so I can:
ps -eaf | grep httpd
and get the right output.:->
I've had to work with FreeBSD a bit lately, and while I don't hate it, I can't help but feel that some things about it are just a bit old fashioned. I had just said farewell to the last of the machines running SunOS 4.1.4, at long last, and so FreeBSD makes me feel like SunOS is back, like a zombie, refusing to go to its final resting place peaceably...:-|
It *is* stable, though not terribly moreso than Linux, from what I have observed. I have Linux machines run for months with nary a hiccup on a regular basis. But, heck, you gotta install that new kernel sometime...
From what I can tell from many of the posts here, Free/Open/NetBSD's raison d'etre for some people seems to be opposition to the GPL. I like the GPL just fine myself, so that isn't a drawback to Linux for me.
And it makes as much sense as the other lawsuit we're discussing.
But this suit, and the lawsuits going after the gun manufactures, and the lawsuits going after the tobacco companies, are really all about one thing: money. The big payoff. They're going after the guy with the biggest pockets.
It's just abuse of the legal system, plain and simple.
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Besides, people will argue against Linux using the "drag and drop between programs" argument, but, honestly: how many people really work like that? Most Windows programs like to start maximized, leaving no area with which to manipulate the desktop, or other programs' windows. The typical user doesn't alter this behavior.
As a result, most people still use their Windows programs in the traditional way: open program, open file, manipulate file, save file, close program.
For the average user, a machine set up with Linux, KDE and StarOffice would not be noticably different than a Windows machine, except that it would not crash as much.
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There are probably still more Macs around than Linux machines, but probably not by all that much.
On actively used machines, Linux may already have the edge. That's not to knock the Mac; it's just that Linux is all the rage these days. Of the people I know who are active computer users (including non-geeks), probably a third to a half of them are planning to experiment with Linux in the not-too-distant future.
I think there's a fairly simple explanation for this: Linux will run on the hardware they already have. They can't try MacOS without buying a new machine, if they currently have an x86 machine.
Who knows what might have happened if Apple had turned themselves into a software company a few years back...
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And how.
We had an open ticket with MICROS~1 for months, regarding an NT/IIS/ASP server that simply would not stay up. Usually INETINFO.EXE did not actually crash; it would just hang. The MICROS~1 guy, helpful as he tried to be, couldn't track down the problem from the memory dumps we provided.
Finally, he tracked it down: the client's choice of (MICROS~1) FoxPro for their database was causing the whole mess, as it is "not designed for the kind of usage it gets when used with a web site."
The suggested solution? Rewrite the whole mess to use MS-SQL.
Well, at least that should make it easier to migrate to UNIX at some point in the future.
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If people are intent on killing, they will find a way to do so. The most lethal weapon of mass killing in American history was a gas can and a match: remember that.
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It was already illegal for the kids to possess those guns and *bombs*. How would additional laws have helped?
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Those kids also had *bombs* for crying out loud. The stuff they had was *already* illegal.
You can't legislate against insanity.
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But I'd want to run VMS on the thing. I know...sick, but what can I tell ya?
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That story made me long to log into a VAX again. Someday, when I have the room, I must get one.
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What's wrong with Netscape? Works for me.
Beats having to actually use Windows.
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It's not the game's fault; it's not the gun's fault; it's not the Internet's fault; it's not society's fault. It's the kids' fault.
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Are you an Apple employee or something?
FREE SPEECH, NOT FREE BEER.
That's what free software is about. You can sell free software; many people do, and make money doing so. More will in the future. You can also make money selling services to free software users.
People do need to eat, and free software provides more of them with an opportunity to do so, instead of a select few, as is the case with proprietary software.
Software is not a durable good, and should not be sold as if it were.
It's not a theory; people are making *lots* of money *right now* from free software.
Take a trip to GNU, and read up on some of the information over there about how you make money with free software.
There's nothing anti-capitalistic about free software; in fact, you might say that proprietary software (at least vis-a-vis operating systems) is anti-capitalistic, since it discourages direct competition.
Like Apache, right?
Tell that to Bob Young.
Well, anyhow, hopefully Apple will go out of business in the next few years, and then we won't have to worry about QuickTime being ported to other platforms. :-)
Hell, if they really want to focus their QuickTime efforts, maybe they should just drop support for Macintosh. The Mac isn't a significant platform these days...at least not really much more significant than Linux.
Apple is so freaking arrogant. Argh.
If they want open source people to work on their software, they have to provide an incentive. They've not done that so far.
But Windows and Linux make up 92% of the market.
Sometimes I think Apple is worse than Microsoft.
I'll be happy when mass-market proprietary software dies off...
...they claim to have the UNIX G2 player in development. And it will work with Linux 2.2.x!
That's really what it's all about. If you want your code to be free to use in any project, proprietary or otherwise, the BSD license is good for that.
But if you are primarily concerned with your code being *used* by the largest possible number of users, the GPL is the way to go.
That is why reader-implemented filtering is a Good Thing. And why administrator-implemented filtering is not always bad (Cancel Moose, for example, was helpful for a while).
Blocking software like Net Nanny, etc., *is* evil, though, if only because of the way it seems to filter out dissenting opinion, not just the things it claims to filter.
With the growing popularity of Linux, and the resurgence of the Mac, I rather doubt that a Windows-only solution will triumph over the cross-platform RealPlayer.
ps -eaf | grep httpd
and get the right output. :->
I've had to work with FreeBSD a bit lately, and while I don't hate it, I can't help but feel that some things about it are just a bit old fashioned. I had just said farewell to the last of the machines running SunOS 4.1.4, at long last, and so FreeBSD makes me feel like SunOS is back, like a zombie, refusing to go to its final resting place peaceably... :-|
It *is* stable, though not terribly moreso than Linux, from what I have observed. I have Linux machines run for months with nary a hiccup on a regular basis. But, heck, you gotta install that new kernel sometime...
From what I can tell from many of the posts here, Free/Open/NetBSD's raison d'etre for some people seems to be opposition to the GPL. I like the GPL just fine myself, so that isn't a drawback to Linux for me.
And it makes as much sense as the other lawsuit we're discussing.
But this suit, and the lawsuits going after the gun manufactures, and the lawsuits going after the tobacco companies, are really all about one thing: money. The big payoff. They're going after the guy with the biggest pockets.
It's just abuse of the legal system, plain and simple.